drew is a wolf. bank it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
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drew is a wolf. bank it.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
No hes reading you as wolf based 100% on tone.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
At least thats how I read it
drew has an excellent record of recent in terms of reading me on d1. I'm not even bothered that he's finally wrong, I don't expect him to be perfect. It's the total lack of conviciton. He knows he can read me, he thinks I'm a wolf, and he doesn't vote for me? Not impressed.
I think you're right about the context of 100%, that he's referring to it being tone rather than the strength of his read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Still, he should vote for me here.
I do like this tho.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Why is he swinging at lynchbait when he could be pressuring you?
I just did some digging. dsax is an old member who hasn't been here for years. He has 2k posts and a signup date of 2005. But he's from before my time, I don't think I've ever played against him, and I've been involved in most games for five years ish.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I think hifi recruited him back to FTR. Small world etc.
If drew thinks I'm a wolf, why does he vote for kami, who I was voting for at the time? It's me who started the kami wagon. There's no pause for concern about my motive.
Yeah drew isn't a villager.
Drew might be a wolf but I don't think he's a wolf with kami.
baudib recruited me from POG to play this one and since I knew dsax used to post here I said I'd play if he did. He agreed.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
But he is going to be so pissed when he sees how long the thread is already and he's going to be even angrier when he realizes that a lot of it is my fault.
Sorry, dsax :(
don't hate me
Oh god
kami and drew can both be wolves if Drew is a pr and kami isn't
lynch bankitdrew
Ok I'm going to be super busy for most of today but I will read the thread on my smoke breaks and try to post when I'm not in the middle of a hand.
Try not not to do anything catastrophically dumb in the meantime please.
Yeah I'd find it hard to believe that drew would derp vote for a buddy who I started a wagon on when he claims I'm a wolf. That would be the weirdest chainsaw defence I ever saw.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiFi
I don't think so. If they're buddies, he called me a wolf because I started a wagon on his buddy. Why would he then bus her? Makes no sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by HiFi
The issue I take with this post is that the entire thing is easy for a wolf to make -- which is the argument you seem to be using against me. Let's see more original thought from you.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
But it amuses me that you think being pleasantly surprised by people (nobody specific, even) is buddying. Want to run me through how you came to that conclusion?
As an aside, I find JKDS's approach and timing wolfy in a vacuum. He's taking a "hard" stance that's trivially easy for a wolf to make, and hasn't talked about anything else. Feigned indjgnance about allowing for more time does not a villager read make. If he doesn't post more, he'd be a reasonable wolf candidate.
He's right down the middle where wolves like to be. Not too villagery, not too wolfy. Appearing passionate, but lacking true conviction or purity of thought to my eye. By voting for me he can avoid taking a stance on the prevailing semi-policy-lynch wagon. It's a similar tactic to what you guys said Kami did as a wolf recently.
If anyone else wants an explanation for why I'm confused by Kami, it's because my observation of her behaviors goes beyond this game... I've had one wary eye on her for a while across a few sites and I'm starting to become annoyed that she continually signs up for and then underperforms in games. That continued history blended with acting like she can't be bothered to play (when she keeps signing up for games) and being hostile or indignant doesn't really make sense to me except from a very selfish "out to amuse herself and only herself" perspective, and THAT is the attitude I don't understand because its antithetical to having a good time in a game that's meant to be competitive but fun.
That's also why I wouldn't be surprised what she flips; lynching her is truly =rand because she doesn't adhere to the standards of the game.
JKDS didn't have all that context, but his "sing you praises" indignance he's used to justify a vote rings hollow.
I've talked myself into it, actually.
Lynch JKDS
Sideline snipes that can be easily feigned won't fly when I see reasonable effort from others.
I find BankItDrew generically wolfy for reasons I'll explain in a bit.
Nevermind; I was objecting to his push on the dead weight player but his subsequent posting seems better and much more genuine. He's either a villager or a wolf with really good tone.
This addendum is the kind of thing wolves make more often than villagersQuote:
Originally Posted by HiFi
Now sure if my other posts when thru. It wouldn't let me post more than 5 times. Gey
Listening to witch house on my way to work.
Saw kawamii getting a ton of heat.
One way to read her is to let her self vote. If she does she's a villager 95% of the times.
If she doesn't self vote she's a GTD wolf 100%.
Looking forward to a self vote or get lunch.
Self voting isn't allowed in this game IIRC. So what's Plan B for reading her?Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM
Omg I'm playing a game with the legendary tom the upmost tier.
Best VIG yet! I'm hoping for a similar annilahition this game beast
Lmao I read OP shhhh
Ok then kill her. She's worthless if her cheating meta can't be used to angleshoot.
lynch kami
Glgl
What else do you have to say you hooligan
Wow, harshQuote:
Originally Posted by TheBrokenATM
Let's do a VC seeing as baudib is lazy...
kami - 4 (wuf, gizmo, drew, batm)
wuf - 2 (beck, rilla)
drew - 2 (ong, hifi)
rilla - 1 (luco)
hifi - 1 (kami)
tom - 1 (jkds)
jkds - 1 (tom)
21 players, 11 is maj
not voting -
aubreymcfate*, Bigred*, BooG690*, Dsaxton*, Gabe, lilrascal, MadMojoMonkey, ShipItUp*, SuperMonkeyFace*
*yet to post
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Originally Posted by lilrascal
I think this qualifies as playing against your wincon. Unless Kami is going for the long conQuote:
Originally Posted by Kami
And what is kami's wincon luco?
Nice try ong.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Unless she's a vanilla wolf getting bussed I don't see how posts like that help her team.
There's a difference between being a burden to your team and playing against wincon. The latter implies a deliberate attempt to thwart the efforts of your team. The way you worded that post pinged to fuck luco. It implies to me that you feel that kami is playing agianst her village wincon by high fiving the idea she has no reads.
Actually I simply meant that she's not helping her team regardless of role. And fuck's sake give my wolf game a little creditQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Since you two are here, talk to me about JKDS.
He does the wolfy popins regardless of role. He did it last game and was a wolf thoQuote:
Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
JKDS is a super good villager and super good wolf, although last game he sucked as wolf. That is literally the worst I've seen JKDS play. If he's wolf again, I'd expect him to step up his game.
And your thoughts on what I said regarding his justification and approach toward voting me?
I like the way you think things through but I'm not being drawn into a read on those two jkds posts other than to state that they're par for the course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
Meta: I read jkds wrong last game.
It still sits poorly with me. I'm hoping he posts more.
You're coming across as sincere tom. JKDS I have as null, his attack on you didn't particularly ping. I think he's easier to read when his back is against the wall, so I'm happy for him to have some heat to respond to.
rilla is awfully quiet.
Weak. Say what you mean ongQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm suggesting that last couple of games he's driven d1 and we've had great success. Here he's not driving the conversation. He's notable by his absence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Ong I'm almost hesitating to state reads given how bad I played last game, but fuck it - I think you're nearly always a villager here and I think rilla is nearly always a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You make a solid argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
rescind
lynch ong
I want you to think long and hard about this and give me your best reason you can come up with.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If I'm a wolf and I claim you're a wolf, why would I not vote for you?
Think long and hard about this question that you have posed to the village on D1 but have yet to answer it yourself.
I have literally a perfect track record for pegging ong and I'm not going to budge, especially after he finally has responded to my read.
Now, he's posing paradoxial questions to help his case on me, which happens to be his only case on me.
Of course I have no answer to that question. I don't know what goes on in your head drew. But I'm failing to see the village motivation in your position. If you think I'm a wolf, don't you then assume that kami si more likely to be a villager? Or do you just auto-assume I'm bussing?
I'd prefer to give it another 24 hrs or so before I agree rilla is always a wolf, especially given I think you're wolfy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
The fact that you literally have 4 people as wolfy already makes me suspicious of you.
The fact that you can't even come up with a logical answer to your own questions makes me suspicious of a wolf.
Ong is a wolf and I've never been more confident. I can't wait to extend my streak and dance on your grave!
You're still cool tho
Umm, there's 5 wolves this game drewQuote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
drew has latched onto an easy d1 strategy... attack ong all day.
I'm not getting sucked in. He's a wolf. I'm not.
At some point I'll figure out how to stop being so wolfy D1, but TODAY IS NOT THAT DAYQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
If ong had 7 players as "wolfy", I would have said 7. I was making a statement about how many players he finds wolfy already, less than 24 hrs into the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Drew, I find your position a bit confusing. Can you give me more detail for your read on Ong than "I have a feeling and I read him well so listen to me?" That's exploitable, obviously.
So you think I'm a wolf but are not going to get sucked into a discussion with me?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITE
I find four people wolfy, but there's a zero chance that they are all wolves. kami is a villager lean while you're such a strong wolf lean drew. luco is a wolf lean but would he position himself to bus rilla after the tiniest bit of activity heat? Doubtful. So I can't see luco and rilla buddies.
drew is acting like it's unusual for me to point my finger at people so early in the game.
From my perspective, I initially found Ong perhaps too composed for my liking but he's since rounded out and has made posts that sound like they have conviction, enough for me to not see him as particularly wolfy, particularly this early in the game. He's commenting on the game, making stances, putting himself out there. What's so objectionable about his play that he's your best wolf candidate by far?
I'll engage you. I'm just not going to get into shit slinging.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
This death stare with bid probably just means ong is missing baudib
He's on a hot run of nailing my role for probably over a year now. Mostly villager, but a couple of wolf games thrown in there. His overconfidence isn't in itself an issue to me, because there's reason for him to be so cocky. But I'm not liking his tone at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
I thought it would be wuf that I'd argue with this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Gladly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
Villager ong is arguably the most straightforward asset that we have. He's clear and concise and bulldogish. Take his arguments with baudib for example - stubborn as fuck. He's usually wrong on baudib, which is hilarious, but he's relentless nonetheless.
Here, ong doesn't give a fuck about getting into it with me even though he bolded me. I'm annoyed af that he started a wagon of mine but won't engage with me. I'm annoyed that I read his tone as wolfy but I didn't pull the trigger asap. I'm annoyed that I rarely survive to D2 (I think it's happened three times in the last two years).
Wolf ong is a fence sitter. He's not commited to doing anything unless others agree with him. Wolf ong blends in with the crowd.
Drew is one minute saying it's bad of me to have four wolf leans so early, and is then accusing me of fence sitting.
I specifically don't want to get into shit slinging for the simple reason that I have done exactly that with baudib two games running now.
But I won't ignore you drew, so don't pretend I'm not going to engage you when I've made it clear I will.
Sup villa bros
Probably be around tomorrow n start busting some heads
Okay fair enough. It's still early.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also, what I meant by you fence-sitting this game (other than on me obviously) was that you literally called multiple players wolfy without bolding most, if not any of them. This was all before you bolded me.
Also, since when am I concise?
Check this out...
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
drew is just throwing random words out there purely in an attempt to justify his gut read. I am far from concise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
I think of you as concise. Sorry... My bad.
I cut a suspicious glare at tom before hugging him. I voted for kami before flipping to you. I've been resolute since. Nothing you've seen from me is unusual, and certainly doesn't explain your gut read on me. I'm not fence sitting, I'm not blending into the crowd. Your position holds no water.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Thanks. I now believe that you believe this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I'm willing to help you pressure him to see where this goes because I had some early pangs of suspicion as well.
If I had to explain my initial suspicions best, it would be that I had a vague sense he was placating me rather than trying to determine my alignment.
I also like creating wagons that can force tough choices.
Lynch Ong
I feel like I'm baudib, bickering with ong and flooding the thread. The only thing is that I'm actually confident in my read. I apologize to the village if I'm wrong and this is just a bunch of crap being spewed, ultimately hurting the village. :(
Placating you? I didn't like your reference to "backup lynch", but that was worthy of a glare and nothing more. During our exchange where we both vote kami, I felt that your post asking for my history with kami was particularly sincere, like you had a genuine *ping* moment with me. It felt like you were trying to figure out my alignment. That's why I felt better about you, and I still have you leaning town for that reason, despite your vote on me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom
Don't be so easily swayed by wolves. drew is talking out of his arse. He says that fence sitting and blending into the crwod are charcateristic of my wolf game. Is this what you see here?
Why have you abandoned the idea that he cannot just simply be wrong with hard headed confidence? It would make sense that he thinks he can read you if historically he does very well.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Why is he definitely a wolf?