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Yeah, this is the agent that stays on door knobs for hours, in wet conditions, and is still verry much dangerous. They could only be confident there isn't any on their clothes if they protected their clothes. Or if they had a really safe way of applying it to the door knob. idk, but these guys aren't sweating. I fucking would be, even if I had a full hazmat suit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
You think them walking in what you call "the wrong direction" is fishy, yet you ignore the very compelling circumstational evidence that they don't appear to have any concerns about their health or if the police are already after them.
You know what? It's not Novichok that was created in Porton Down, it's that one the bitches used to kill Kim's brother.
VX is it?
So to borrow a British phrase, the nerve agent used to kill Kim's brother was "of a type developed by Britain".
That makes us guilty as fuck, right?
Novichok is a group of nerve agents developed in Ukraine, when it was part of the USSR. The lab where it was created was dismantled by the Yanks, after independance.
I remember now.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
So basically, if you get it on you, you're dead. It's not like you have take 10 deep breaths before it will kill you.Quote:
VX fatalities occur with exposure to tens of milligram quantities via inhalation or absorption through skin;
And how do you think the stuff in the UK got from Porton Down to Skripal's door without anyone else dying then, if it's so impossible to transport it without killing everyone in-between point A and point B? And for that matter how did they get VX to the aiport without killing everyone in-between?
This whole idea you can't safely transport a minute quantity of a nerve agent a long distance is just dumb; give it up. All you need is a bottle with a lid on it.
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Strawman alert. I didn't say it's impossible, I said the risks go up the further you travel with it.Quote:
And how do you think the stuff in the UK got from Porton Down to Skripal's door without anyone else dying then, if it's so impossible to transport it without killing everyone in-between point A and point B? And for that matter how did they get VX to the aiport without killing everyone in-between?
What if the car you're travelling in crashes? What if you fall over? You think the Russians don't consider these kind of possibilities when making plans to transport highly toxic nerve agents around the world?Quote:
This whole idea you can't safely transport a minute quantity of a nerve agent a long distance is just dumb; give it up. All you need is a bottle with a lid on it.
You think these guys must be experts in chemical weapons? You really think a spy is going to stop to put on a hazmat suit?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Probably all they would be told is 'hey comrades, you go spray this on his door, then dump the bottle in a bin. Then catch the next train back. And don't get any on you or you die. And if you don't do it, you and your family die. Have fun boys'
And your conclusion was it must have come from Porton Down then 'cause that's close by, and it must have been the UK that supplied it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Brilliant.
They're allegedly Russian spies. Experts in checmical weapons? More so than you and me, certainly.Quote:
You think these guys must be experts in chemical weapons? You really think a spy is going to stop to put on a hazmat suit?
No, theyw on't put a hazmat suit on, hence they would be shitting bricks after doing the deed.
Yes because it all revolves around how close Porton Down is to Salisbury, nothing at all to do with the political shitstorm that followed. Nothing at all to do with the fact our story makes no fucking sense. Nothing at all do to with the fact that there are a billion better ways for Russia to eliminate their enemies, especially ones that were swapped with the British in a spy-swap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
What if a meteor falls on your head? What if you have a heart attack on the way to do the deed? What if you get chased by a dog?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm pretty these are not high on their list of questions. The list is probably more like:
1. How to do it.
2. How to not get caught in the act.
3. If anything goes wrong, here's a cyanide pill.
Fuck me, from things that can actually happen, to fucking meteors. You're not this dumb poop.Quote:
What if a meteor falls on your head? What if you have a heart attack on the way to do the deed? What if you get chased by a dog?
So you think that a state sponsored attack on an individual in a foreign country using a highly toxic nerve agent has no consideration for what to do with the agent?Quote:
1. How to do it.
2. How to not get caught in the act.
3. If anything goes wrong, here's a cyanide pill.
Sorry, you are that dumb. My mistake.
You brought that up, not me. And if you're going to kill a guy on foreign soil, all you have to do is point out it's easier to get the stuff nearby than for it to come from your country. Brilliant, your defense is impregnable.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What doesn't make sense exactly? If they were framing these guys, why not have a 'neighbor' who saw them spray the stuff? Why not have a mole that can testify he was in on it? Why is the evidence entirely circumstantial?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
...and who were openly blabbing about Russian intelligence practices.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
And it seems the nerve agent did a pretty good job to me. Spies got away and are safely back home, Skripal lost his daughter, and message was sent to anyone else who wants to fuck with Putin. How would you prefer they do it?
If you think they don't consider what can go wrong when transporting deadly agents, then please don't ever get a job is risk assessment.
Yulia didn't die.Quote:
And it seems the nerve agent did a pretty good job to me. Spies got away and are safely back home, Skripal lost his daughter, and message was sent to anyone else who wants to fuck with Putin. How would you prefer they do it?
The nerve agent didn't do a good job, if indeed it was the Russians. Skirpal survived. A British police officer fell ill, and as a consequence of the supposed dumping of the agent, a British woman died. So... fucking disaster, if the intention was to kill Skirpal and Skirpal alone.
They did have consideration. They threw it away. Seems a lot safer than either trying to bring it back through Heathrow, or than setting up a lab to try to neutralize it while you're still on enemy soil.Quote:
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Nice ad hominen, banana
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Originally Posted by OngBonga
Message sent. Mission accomplished.
Sure they do, that's why they put them in sealed bottles rather than carry them around in an open flask.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What exact preventative measures do you expect them to use while they're trying to secretly poison someone without getting caught? I assume we can at least agree the hazmat suit is not a realistic option?
What message was sent? Don't fuck with Russia?
Russia have never, ever attacked a Russian citizen who has been the subject of a spy-swap. With very good reason. See if you can figure out that reason.
Once you've done that, you'll realise the message they sent would be a very dumb message.
I have no idea, but if I were applying Novichok to a door knob unprotected, I'd want to clean myself up asafp. Emphasis on the letter f.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
My point is, these guys are not behaving as though they have just applied Novichok to a door knob. Maybe they're just really fucking good at their jobs.
Apart from their casual disposal of the agent in question, of course.
I already thought of a better way to dispose of it. Put it in a sealed box, bury it, get back to Russia, tell the British where it is, whilst publically denying any knowledge.
Again I'm assuming Putin is merely trying to kill Skirpal here, and not cause an international crisis.
Have you figured out what the message is yet?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
It's something along the lines of "you can never trust us to swap spies again". Now, if you're a Russian spy that's been caught in the UK, do you a) share Russian state secrets in return for your freedom, or b) stay quiet and wait until the British swap you for British spies in Russia?
That REALLY depends on how much faith you have in the integrity of spy-swaps.
It would be a gross mistake for Russia to attack Skirpal. They have never attacked a spy-swap, and they shouldn't ever do so if they want their spies to stay quiet when they get busted.
You're not getting it though. If you get some on you, you don't have an hour to wash it off, after which you'll be fine. The plan is to not get any on you.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Those guys investigating the scene are wearing hazmat suits because they don't know where the stuff is exactly. The risk of exposure to them is much greater than to someone spraying it on a door with a bottle from a foot away. Sure, I wouldn't want the spraying job either, but if I did it and wasn't feeling sick afterwards, I wouldn't then assume I needed to go find a decontamination centre somewhere in Salisbury.
Maybe because they're sociopaths, like the kind that become contract killers for an intelligence agency. IOW, they don't fucking care that they poisoned someone.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Also, if they're spies, then they're trained in how not to look suspicious.
You still haven't provided a plausible alternative for what they should have done with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Yes. it's "if we do a spy swap and you get to go free, don't go around giving speeches about how our intel system works. Dumb fuck."Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Seems I need to catch up because some one thinks he can go around calling people 'clowns' and "tools of epic proportions" can suddenly be hurt and offended to the point of banhammering when the same thing happens to him.
Monkey - It got personal between us. And you're hurt. I get it. I'm also not sorry. Your hammer-swinging is just an immature reaction to being called out. Grow the fuck up.
Moving on....
The serena cartoon showed nothing more than a caricatured version of ACTUAL events.
LOOK!! USE YOUR GODDAMN EYEBALLS!!
https://media.breitbart.com/media/20...-1-640x480.jpg
Osaka clearly has a darker skin tone than the ref. That's obvious. USE YOUR GODDAMN EYEBALLS. So claims of "whitewashing" her are completely erroneous.
Yes Osaka has dark hair, but the ends are blond. The lengths of hair that extend from the base of the pony-tail ARE ALL BLONDE
USE YOUR GODDAMN EYEBALLS
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/iRnr...11207818.0.jpg
What about the artist's depiction is inaccurate?
Who says Serena's features are exaggerated? Her body is drawn as that of a thick, muscular, amazonian black woman. That is exactly what she is in real life.
Her facial features are depicted in a way that shows anger and disgust. Mouth open, tounge visible, eyes squinted, nose wrinkled...these are all things people do when they are angry and handling it in an immature manner. The artist made an easily interpretable depiction of a tantrum in Serena's face.
And her jumping, "like a monkey".....that's YOUR observation Jack. That's you inventing an dehumanizing act because you want to. Jumping up and down, stomping on the ground, and flailing your arms are all actions consistent with a tantrum.
Moving on....
Manafort pleading guilty means nothing. If he had the dirt on Trump he would have pled guilty the first time around. All this means is that he knows he is going to lose. That probably has something to do with him losing the first time. I'll bet prosecutors wouldn't let Manafort plead out unless he agreed to "cooperate with Mueller" so they can get their names in the paper. So I'm sure Manafort said whatever he had to.
But "cooperate with Mueller" doesn't mean anything. He could go to Mueller and say "I know nothing" and Mueller will say "Thanks for your cooperation"
Manafort is pleading guilty to new charges, in a new jurisdiction. This is separate from the trial he just went through. The trial he just went through is over, and settled. Manafort is going to jail for the rest of his life because of it. That's already done and settled. His ONLY hope is a pardon, and he probably won't get that by making up stories about Trump.
The notion that highly trained assassins would be exhibiting any overt signs of stress or fear before, during, or after doing their job is beyond me.
Equally much is the notion that those people would be working under threat to their families if they did not succeed. That sounds like a good way to have disloyal assassins whom will screw you over the minute they can find a way to do so while saving their families. Much better to have someone with a Nanners-level of loyalty to their national leader, but with a personal sense of honor, whom will gladly die in service to their country.
but what do I know about Russian assassins?
I'm not taking any side in whether or not they did it.
They're super confident they haven't got any on them.Quote:
You're not getting it though. If you get some on you, you don't have an hour to wash it off, after which you'll be fine. The plan is to not get any on you.
I would need to change my underwear.Quote:
Sure, I wouldn't want the spraying job either, but if I did it and wasn't feeling sick afterwards, I wouldn't then assume I needed to go find a decontamination centre somewhere in Salisbury.
Sure I have. Fucking bury it. That's literally the first thing that comes to mind. After that, you can anonymously alert the British to its location.Quote:
You still haven't provided a plausible alternative for what they should have done with it.
Or destroy it by, idk, adding acid or setting it on fire, whatever works quickly and safely. There must be a way.
They're going to risk their entire spy-swap programme for a single guy because he's publically talking about intel that he most certainly already told the British authorities in private about?Quote:
Yes. it's "if we do a spy swap and you get to go free, don't go around giving speeches about how our intel system works. Dumb fuck."
Nah. Spy-swaps are WAY too important.
Good to have your input on this.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Pretty much word for word what Guiliani said.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Here's another possibility: Manafort is looking for leniency from the courts. He also knows Trump is fucked one way or another, and won't be pardoning anyone by the time this is over. So his Plan A (get a pardon) is a bust; he's moving to Plan B (give up Trump).
They would surely show a desire to leave the scene as quickly as possible though, right? As far as they know, Skirpal is already in trouble in his front garden with the police on their way. Why hang around? If they have half an hour to kill, go hide in a pub by the station and drink some vodka. Gawping at coins is ridiculous, considering what they just did.Quote:
The notion that highly trained assassins would be exhibiting any overt signs of stress or fear before, during, or after doing their job is beyond me.
Presumably because they're eyeballs aren't spinning around to the back of their heads. They don't even have a tummy ache.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
So would I. But we're not sociopath spy killers.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Where are they going to bury it, on Salisbury high street? What do they dig the hole with? Why do something that's going to attract attention like digging a hole, when you can throw a small object in a bin without attracting any attention at all?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
What? What kind of spy are you? They don't WANT anyone else to get sick, but they don't really gaf if they do either.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Again, why attract attention to yourself by starting a fire in public? Or sitting there in public mixing chemicals (assuming that would even work)?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
They're important to both sides, right? Or does Russia somehow lose more by not swapping than the UK does?Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Do you realise that after Skirpal touched his door knob, he went into town, had a meal, then went for a walk, before falling ill?Quote:
Presumably because they're eyeballs aren't spinning around to the back of their heads. They don't even have a tummy ache.
That's kinda a major job requirement; don't shit your pants under stress.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I was being facetious there.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Yes it's important to both sides. I would bet that the UK has never attacked a spy-swap on foreign soil, either. With good reason.Quote:
They're important to both sides, right? Or does Russia somehow lose more by not swapping than the UK does?
I simply don't believe that getting a pardon was ever Manafort's plan A, plan H, plan X, or plan BBBHTYQQ77X-53Y.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Just the optics of that could be enough to ruin Trump's chances in 2020. And Manfort is too old to wait to 2024. And even if he wasn't...Trump is also pretty old and probably gets 10,000 death threats a day. I wouldn't bank on that guy living another 6 years. I don't see any plausible angle where Manafort would decide that it's a viable plan to try and play for a pardon. It's really a silly notion.
The only grumblings on this subject at all have been WILD media speculation regarding Trump's tweet. He said that Manafort was being treated unfairly, etc etc etc. And the lefties are now ASSUMING that means that Trump is considering a pardon. Cuz pretending is fun I guess.
And you say "give up Trump".....HOW?
Manafort worked for Trump for about 5 minutes. what could he possibly know?
He was at the Trump Tower meeting with Jr and the Russian lawyer. It seems that everybody already knows what happened there. It's not a crime. and Trump wasn't even there.
It's also alleged in the Steele dossier that Manafort personally brokered the deal with Putin's agents to hack the DNC and Podesta in return for favorable treatment of Russian interests. It's also alleged that Carter Paige was in the room with him. Carter Paige spent a year under an FBI microscope and isn't even charged with speeding. What could Manafort possibly have to say?
Anything they do that doesn't involve running as fast as they can to the train station is prima facie a bad idea, except inasmuch as it looks suspicious if they're seen running as fast as they can to the train station.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
And if they have no way to leave before the train comes, it doesn't really matter where they are or what they're doing before it's time to catch the train. In fact, the less innocuous their behaviour looks, the better.
The only place they shouldn't be is near Skripal's house.
No I didn't. But so what? Maybe the Russian guys wore gloves and covered their mouths when they sprayed the shit. It doesn't matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You seem to think they should assume they got some on them after they sprayed it, and then be freaking out and I dunno, running to the nearest body of water and jumping in it. There's no reason to think they did get any on them, or that they got sick. So maybe they were actually trained well enough to spay the stuff without killing themselves. Obviously someone was.
Oh I'm sorry, I thought we had already invented a device to safely hold a liquid. I guess I was thinking of futuretown in futureworld where future men walk around with their magic liquid and gas tight containment devices. Honest mistake. I guess until we have invented the resealable encapsulator, we're going to have to have the local egg race champion farry the nerve agent on a fucking wooden spoon.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
You're talking absolute shit!
Nononono, it's nearly impossible to travel any distance holding a bottle without something happening to make the bottle break and spill whatever is inside it all over the place. Haven't you ever heard of car accidents and people falling over while holding the bottle in their hand?
Not sure where you get 2024 from. Worst-case, Manafort under Plan A would only have to sit in prison till the day after election day 2020. Seems preferable to the rest of his life.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Please re-join reality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
If that's what Trump did the day after re-inauguration, he'd effectively torpedo any legislative agenda he could possibly have. No congressman would ever associate with any idea Trump ever has after that.
If only I had a dollar for every time someone said "no-one could ever support Trump after this" and yet every R in the house and senate who wasn't about to retire/quit supported him, I'd be a few years closer to retirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Also, don't forget he's going to at least lose the House in the midterms and so he's not going to be able to do anything legislative anyways, and the rest of his hopefully short presidency will be him rage-tweeting about witch hunts at 2 a.m.
I can't disagree with you there. But there has to be a limit. Validating the Russia inquiry would probably cross that line.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I mean, if what you're saying is true, why not do it now? He could just issue a pardon for Manafort, Pops, Flynn, and Gates today. Then he could turn to Mueller and say "Alight Bobby, you're out of witnesses."
It's a win-win for Trump. If he doesn't lose the house (which is possible) then he has a cooperating congress for the rest of this term. If he does lose the house, and can't do anything legislatively he'll just do what he wants anyway. You see, there used to be this guy named Barry who wasn't real great at making friends and influencing people. So he just did all kinds of somersaults through the law and imposed his will through Executive Orders.Quote:
Also, don't forget he's going to at least lose the House in the midterms and so he's not going to be able to do anything legislative anyways,
When Trump basically pulls out the Treasure checkbook and pays for the wall, just remember WHY he can get away with it.
Because he knows it will cost him politically in the midterms? At least, his staff have managed to convince him of that. He probably wants to pardon all of them really.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Yeah, that's not how it works. He can't just do whatever he wants by EO.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Sounds like a wager to meQuote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Well, where's the funding for the Wall then? Why aren't ALL the illegal immigrant kids in prison by now? Where's the law blocking any tariffs on tanning beds?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
What kind of question is this? Why isn't Trump doing something if he can? I don't know, why isn't he nuking the Amish? He can do that too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
He didn't promise to nuke the Amish.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
He did promise the Wall, he hates immigrants, and loves tanning beds. Nothing stopping him from going all commando on those, according to you.
Well he's got a cooperative legislative branch now. Why would he fuck that up with EO's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
just know that he can, and he will if that's what it takes to realize his agenda.
Because he doesn't need them, he can do whatever he wants with EOs.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Way to talk yourself in circles there bud.
Yeah, but congress can pass laws, which outrank EO's.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
A cooperative congress = no need for EO's
A stalemate congress = EO's
A congress united against Trump = No EO's.
Your IQ must be <90 if you think that's circular logic,
But apparently he doesn't have a cooperative or a stalemate congress right now, or he'd have money for the Wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Oh wait, he's still negotiating with Mexico on whether they're paying with check or cash lol.
Entitlement reform is coming in the next congress. No more welfare checks getting sent back to Mexico. No more food stores selling empty barrels so folks can spend their food stamps and send the shit back to the Dominican Republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Instead, those countries can feed their own fucking people, and we'll keep the money we were spending on that and use it for the wall.
Notice in that scenario, the only one spending new money...is Mexico and DR!
Hard to see a Dem congress passing that one, gl.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I am? Perhaps I should apply to be our feorign secretary.Quote:
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EO's mutha fuckah!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
So this came out while I was being banished for causing Monkey to have a crisis of manhood. I'm surprised this hasn't been 'pooped' on (pun intended) on this forum yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxjOEbvdDc8
Not exactly Tucker's best moment. Yet somehow Avenatti looks worse.
Funny how at the beginning TC promises not to call him 'Creepy Porn Lawyer', and then like 30 seconds later the chiron says "Creepy Porn Lawyer".
I can't say it's a classy move, but it was funny as fuck.
I like the question: "If I'm a creepy porn lawyer, why aren't you calling Trump the creepy porn president?"Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
A: Because it's Fox, what do you expect.
Also, if Avenatti seriously thinks he can go from creepy porn lawyer to president he's dreaming the American dream.
It's a fair pointQuote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Also, TC is full of shit when he starts sticking up for Stormy's dignity.
Other than that though, I think he did a pretty good job exposing what a vapid douchebag the creepy porn lawyer really is.
Yeah it was a high water mark in journalism for sure. It's a wonder why more people don't want to go on Tucker's show.
Avenatti had his chance to explain what his fucking point was, instead he started ranting about Russia, and Mueller, and campaign finance stuff as though he and Stormy weren't out for money, they were out to expose corruption at the highest level. Pfffffffft.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Tucker gave teh guy a platform. Avenatti chose to put both feet in his mouth and then light his own face on fire. That's not Tucker's fault.
Tucker and him both looked like retards. But they always do, that's why it's not a surprise.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
oh jeeeezus. not this again...Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
oh sorry, I meant to say Tucker looked like a great journalist there, treated his guest with respect while asking tough questions, and let him speak his mind without interrupting him over and over.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
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Actually I was referring to that petty game you like to play where one side can be wrong, as long as it's not your side. And when your side fucks up, then both sides are wrong. I can't figure out how that works.
Not how it works. It's Tucker's show. He gets to ask the questions. If the guest doesn't answer, it's Tucker's job to try and get the answer and NOT let the guest give a soapbox speech for 8 minutes. That would be an example of BAD journalism.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Avenatti is not on 'my side', and his only fuck up was to go on that idiot's show. That's just asking for abuse.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Tucker isn't actually a journalist in any real sense of the word. He doesn't try to be objective at all. He interviews people who happen to hold views different from his own, interrupts them, mocks them, twists their words around, and then tries to say 'see how crazy those libruls are?'
He's basically like you, but successful.
Shitting on Trump for no other reason than to virtue-signal.....that sounds like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
There's another one of your libtard trickerations. "real sense of the word". Like words can have different definitions when you want them to. LOL. Do you have any logic, or facts that you'd like to cite in this debate?Quote:
Tucker isn't actually a journalist in any real sense of the word.
This statement is so wildly inconsistent with your next one, it makes me wonder if you even think about what you say, or if you just spew out whatever hateful shit you can think of at the moment.Quote:
He doesn't try to be objective at all.
This is 100x more than you can say for any other cable news anchor on TV right now.Quote:
He interviews people who happen to hold views different from his own
Again, that's his job. If TC asks Avenatti to explain what Stormy's beef is about, and Avenatti decides to soapbox about Russia and campaign finance...Tucker SHOULD interrupt him.Quote:
, interrupts them
He's not perfect. The 'creepy porn' chiron was a low blow. But he does give respect where it's due.Quote:
, mocks them
Wut? Where?Quote:
twists their words around
Lol, who am i virtue-signalling for?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
And what, you think deep down inside I want a con man to run the world and imprison children, and fuck up the world's trade? Yea ok.
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Allah? I don't know what you do with your spare time.Quote:
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Well, you can't say he lacks the competence.Quote:
a con man to run the world
Not what happened.Quote:
and imprison children
Also not what happened.Quote:
and fuck up the world's trade?
@Nanners
For your own benefit, I'm telling you now that you have exhausted any patience I have for your BS.
If you continue to insult, berate and badger FTR members or mods, this experiment will be over.
SMHQuote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
If I was making some power-move against you, then why didn't I give you a permanent ban?
Let's put things on the table, huh?
I haven't been in any way unclear about FTR's rules, or the consequences to breaking them.
These rules are the same for all members.
I have given you far more non-disciplinary warnings than any adult deserves, including more than 3 PM's, indicating you need to keep yourself in line.
I had already banned you once for egregious failure on your part to understand and/or follow our rules.
I banned you the 2nd time for being a direct jerk without contributing anything to the conversation other than abuse. You can pretend all you like that it had anything to do with me, personally, but A) I assure you it did not and B) you can't beat me in this fight. I'm a mod. You're a member. You lose. I win. That's the stakes of this game. If you don't like it, you can walk away peacefully, or you can keep digging in your heels until you get a permanent ban.
Exactly no one has complained about your 2 bans, and multiple members have thanked me.
If you keep bad-mouthing FTR mods and members, you will find yourself permanently banned on your next infraction.
I'm done extending you any benefit of doubt that you mean well and have the capacity to follow our rules.
(I would be thrilled to find out I'm wrong about that.)
Let me be perfectly clear:
Your insults and aggression are not what FTR is about, and your persistent failure to follow our rules is a problem.
While it is nice that you want to engage in conversations here, we do not owe you this forum to belittle our other members.
Moderators make the rules, and we do not have to follow them.
It is our prerogative to follow them, which is a big part of why we were trusted to be mods in the first place.
I can directly call you anything I like as often as I like and I will never be reprimanded or banned for it.
The same does not apply to you. I (and others) have been vetted to set the tone, here. You have not.
The guy I really feel sorry for is Dershowitz. He's been auditioning for Trump's legal team for months now and still hasn't gotten hired. I guess Rudy's got things all wrapped up really.
Feel good now champ? You wasted every single one of those key strokes.
You're going to do whatever you are going to do, regardless of what tone or vocabulary I actually use.
You're just waiting for a reason. Your little rant above proves that you A) have no honor. Just because you're able to enforce rules without following them yourself doesn't mean it's a moral or ethical application of your power. And B) You really are butt hurt.
A perma-ban would only prove both of those things to be overwhelmingly true.
If I were you, I would just ignore all of my posts altogether, and go about your apparently wonderful life.
No one is holding your feet to the fire to make sure no one uses the word "cuck" around here. No one asked for a hall-monitor
At least Poop, Jack, and Oskar can roll with it. You seem to be deeply, personally offended. And that's a YOU problem.
Everything you just said could have put into a PM that I could discreetly ignore. Instead you come out here and thump your chest and virtue signal....for what? To be king of a dead forum? Two of the three active threads here had no posts while I was gone. During the first ban, the entire place died.
What good are you serving?
Oh, didn't see Mojo's post before I posted above.
I'm actually amazed at how patient he's been with you. If you really can't control yourself, then at least try not to pretend it's someone else's fault if/when you get banned.
I'm amazed he even cares what I do. I can't figure that out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
I say just give him what he wants and ban him.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
Can't speak for Oskar or Jack, but I don't "roll with it", cause that would imply it's otherwise worth my while; I "put up with it" because I keep hoping someone else will chime in.
banana, he gave you a million and one chances 'cause he's a nice guy and you just keep spitting in his face. so lol that it's on him if/when you get banned. It's 150% on you.
All evidence to the contrary.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
You ignored my one question.
If I was making some power-move against you, then why didn't I give you a permanent ban?
Open your eyes and realize that I have been exceptionally lenient with you, but my patience is gone.
That's not what i want. But I'm not gonna walk on eggshells either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
If he's going to set the tone, then fine. But that doesn't mean that there is a double standard just for him because he's a mod. I mean, Iknow that's technically the rules. But that's stupid, and invoking that would be weak and quite dishonorable.
There's plenty of name calling and poo flinging to go around.
You and I are the only ones who even used this forum today. Why are you here then??Quote:
Can't speak for Oskar or Jack, but I don't "roll with it", cause that would imply it's otherwise worth my while;
No one is gonna chime in and support your "USA Today = National Enquirer Claim".Quote:
I "put up with it" because I keep hoping someone else will chime in.
Pro Tip: When no one chimes in....it might be because you're losing the debate.
All he has to do, is not put his face where I'm spitting.Quote:
banana, he gave you a million and one chances 'cause he's a nice guy and you just keep spitting in his face. so lol that it's on him if/when you get banned. It's 150% on you.
Because emotions are complex things. You're butt-hurt, but don't wanna appear butt-hurt. Delicate balance between revenge and trying not to look vengeful.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Your inability to see the reality in front of you when it comes to this issue should really clue you in to how out-of-touch with reality your other positions are.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
You think I care about perceptions? You think I care how I look?
Have you read a single one of my talking points? I'm a huge nerd. So huge. My friends tell me, "You are the biggest nerd." Bigly.
Nerds don't care about perceptions, yo. We care about what we understand.
Honor my ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
You're routintely a douche to anyone who disagrees with you. If that's who you are and you're ok with that, fine. But there's no code of honor that says a web moderator has to sit on his hands and put up with it. He can boot you if he wants to boot you; and everyone here with the possible exception of Ong would agree you've given him more than enough reasons.
You say you want to stay. But, you only want to stay on your own terms where you get to be a douche as often and as loudly as you want. That's not how things work in grown-up land.
Why does anyone care if he's a douche? I really don't get it.
Because it hurts more when I'm right, which is kind of a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
I'm not sure where this is even coming from. I used the word cuck for the 18,999th time, and now I'm being told about a "19,000 strikes and you're out policy". I served my 2 day ban. Why is this STILL an issue?
Did I call for puppies to be drowned in one of my posts today?
Did I offend some loudly vocal, highly organized, minority?
Did I sieg-heil at some elderly gypsy women?
You know exactly how I feel about the quality of moderation here. Continuing to lecture me about it is not setting a helpful tone for the forum.
In the good old days, we had a fair share of douches, but they couldn't steer the conversations because we had hundreds of non-douches to call them out and keep everything on pace.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Now we have like 10 active posters - maybe - and when one of them is treating everyone with disrespect, that becomes the tone of FTR.
because you starting talking smack about itQuote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
If you don't like the moderation here, then nothing is forcing you to be a member here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
works in reverse too kid.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Attachment 1033Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
You mean HE should leave FTR because his modding syle doesn't suit you?
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No, I mean I'm not actually hurting anyone. So why care about moderation? Why care what I even post? Why read it? Why be here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Are you sure you know what moderate means?Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I'm sure you are able to start your own online forum, call it whatever you like, and moderate how you like.
Frankly, it's none of your concern or business why I'm here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BananaStand
I am.
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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Liar, gone mad with power.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
I would also like to take this opportunity to say how fucking awesome a mod ong is, he doesn't abuse his mod powers.
You only complained about one ban, so technically he's being honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
And yes I agree, ong is awesome.
Edit: I'm just going to let that stand; I don't wanna get banned by another mod gone mad with power.
You were serious?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Savy
Surely you're joking, Mr. Savy?
Please set me straight in no uncertain terms. I invite all feedback on this topic.
If you were serious, it was lost on me... and I retract my prior comment about not 1 complaint.
Also, I agree with both you guys about ong.
Guys you're making me blush.
Careful now with that sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Poopadoop
Do you know what we need? Something we all hate in equal measure, so we can bitch about it without challenging each others' opinions.
France? Oh wait, poop likes their "classy" women.
Does everyone hate people who drive at 40 in a 60 zone in perfect conditions on single carriageways?
I'd like it if we all got on the same page regarding the Amish.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga