As in he comes accrosd as if he thinks about the game on a very basic level. And people who come across in such a way tend to appear villagery as it's actually surprisingly hard to fake.
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As in he comes accrosd as if he thinks about the game on a very basic level. And people who come across in such a way tend to appear villagery as it's actually surprisingly hard to fake.
^ at monstr obv.
Baudib ges an early village lean. He's not being his aggro self as per usual.
On the other hand, maybe he's tired of not getting killed D1
My last post shouldn't have had the word "not" in it.
Fuck. There's two "not"s.
Screw you guys. I'm going home.
Lol <3
http://i.stack.imgur.com/Am13D.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Why would you even say the words 'lone wolf' as a villager?
Monstr, here are my thoughts on the players in this game. Although talking about people's meta can make people play differently, this is a start. I've only played 4 games here and have frankly never had a decent game on FTR, but I've spent a lot of time reading the past games here and I'd encourage you to do the same.
Gabe: Consensus best player/soul reader at FTR. He's kinda like Gad in that the wolves will typically take care of him; if he's alive on D2 you can probably put him in the wolf pile. He's become less active in recent games, maybe because he's randed wolf like 4 of the past 5 games but if he's a villager he's someone you should probably sponge after he dies.
OngBonga: Plays a lot on MafiaScum and can be very strong in either role. Will be the 2nd-most prolific poster (after me ldfo). I'd say he probably plays like Jay in that he can openly troll as wolf or villager but puts more work in and is a sharp strategist.
BankItDrew (BID): Had some super AIDSY games early in his WW career and is still tainted by that, but IMO his game has improved dramatically and he's been easy to tone read the past few games. I haven't seen Drew wolf other than a game from last year that I studied but I think he'd be a better villager than wolf.
MadMojoMonkey: Smart guy, analytical player. There's some resentment hanging over from last game where he self-lynched at f5 to give the wolves a win in an amazing comeback.
Rilla: Very strong wolfhunter, "voice of reason" as a villager and a totally WIM-less wolf. Says a lot with few words.
Luco: Strong player, particularly good at soul reading some of the better wolves here, although one of them isn't in the game (Gator). I haven't seen him wolf but I suspect he'd be a good one. A couple of games ago, he was the MVP and was extremely tone clear as a villager, last game he was a villager again but mixed it up with a low-key approach.
Daven: Typically starts out slow but will be a very strong villager late in the game. Plays wolfy-seery as a villager. I haven't see him wolf game but he was terrific in his very first game.
Rong: Used to be a much more active player but has tailed off quite a bit and has devolved into low-hanging fruit/mislynch bait.
BigRed: Posts lolcats. LHF.
JKDS: Strong player, law student I believe. He's impressed me in the past two games even though he got mislynched twice.
Dhubermex: Fairly new player, has a very deliberate posting style that comes across as wolfy. Other than his "vanilla" claims, he's played well as a villager the past 2. Looks like he's brought the WIM for this game.
Aubrey: Never played with her, basically no feel for her game.
Keybored: Newish as well. The revelation of the most recent game is that Keybored is a super WIMMY wolf who will put in tons of "work." I'm actually at a loss as to how to distinguish his village style from his wolf style.
Wufwugy: Controversial player who will get into feuds with villagers; has in the past been referred to as "honorary wolf." Will have strong opinions and be wrong about a lot of them. That said, he can make a clutch vote.
I can hear the jimmies, they be rustlinQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
I forgot Keith. Keith has been GOATing it up the past few games in both roles. He likes to come up with crazy theories and sometimes he's correct (or he'll be right for the wrong reasons, like last game). His tone/volume can be the same as wolf or villager.
Monstr, one of the key differences in the culture here is that, instead of everyone pretending to be seer/special, the standard play style is to be wolfy vanillager.
I've brought this over from POG, it's a gift for those who be rustled. The rustle brush (thanks ReddBoiler)Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Attachment 755
Now that I'm at a computer I'm gonna start the thread over. Before I do let me address one thing:
Dhuber, I'm not sure why you think it's a good idea to claim vanilla every game. I guess it's not a bid deal because now it's become your meta but this was something I jumped on last game and it obviously caused some problems for you. In the Anon game I said it was anti-village and I still think it is. But now we know you balance your range and almost expect it, but it also comes with little white lies.
Wuf jumping all over it smells a lot like what I did last game. You're a better villager than anyone has given you credit for and you feel like a villager here. I'm going to strongly urge that you stop doing it.
I'm liking this less spewy baudib.
Baudib, has your tone changed because you're trying to impress your frand? Does monstrman know that your meta here at ftr is spew spew die?
To address the 800-pound gorilla in the room (as opposed to a500lbrilla), let's look at MMM's start.
as soon as the thread opens.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I suppose some soul-searching after last game's epic fail was in order. I said that MMM seemed to be posting carefree, which I meant as "villagery" but Dhub's noted that this isn't MMM's style. I don't know what to make of this but given how poorly MMM responded to pressure last game, I don't suspect he's the type of player to be so IDGAF as a wolf.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
Take away the names and history, I'd say the dude is definitely openly lolcatting.
This post is downright alarming. If MMM is Cursed and trying to signal to the wolves, this is arguably effective but not very subtle.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
I have not yet begun to spew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Monstr has seen the best and worst of me.
We've played 7 long games together, I was a wolf in 3 of them. We destroyed lolwillage in one game he referred to; I kept him open as a lynch option without pushing him too strong -- I nightkilled him when he was the healer after I openly hunted him in the thread. It'll honestly be hard for me to EVER top that game. The next game I was wolf again and drove 2 mislynches before everyone got sick of my shit and strung me up Day 3.
Game after that I was a villager and got mislynched D1, I spewed like mad forcing V-V wagons that day (honestly, it would have been great for the village if the other guy died) and lost a flip.
Since then I actually played a decent villager game as vig and in the epic 70-player mishmash I got killed by a wolf faction N1 where I was an early wagon but became consensus villager by the end of the day.
Self-aware Ong is an interesting look.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
FFS Rong seems villagery.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
The village will know in the night actions post.Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
btw
'Invalid attachment specified'Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
The tough guy is a villager.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Miller could be tough if it ends up being one of our less obvious villagers, plus I assume cursed villager would show as villager (pre-conversion at least) so we can't lean on villager peeks eitherQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
quite the seer nerf
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Originally Posted by wufwugy
I don't agree with this assessment - I don't see why anyone would be more inclined to pm that request than just post it, particularly when you're already in the thread.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Re: Aubrey
I seem to remember a game where she and Gator were bussing each other pretty hard. Someone had linked them as w/w, Aubrey voted Gator, and Gator made a joke about it in the thread. I'll look it up later tonight. I don't remember much about her play that game or the circumstances, but being happy to throw a wolf like Gator under the bus speaks to confidence in her wolf game.
I remember that game, her and gator didnt really start bussing each other until they had to iirc.
Still, she has loads of WantItMore as a wolf
lynch bigred
you are missing the logic boat on this one. (i cut out your "secondly" response because it was irrelevant)Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
luckily i have 2 completely relevant points for everyone about you:
1. i'm almost sure i've never played with monstrman, but that doesnt stop me from making a read based on the common archetype of a new poster in a forum. my post about you seems obvious yet you think you rebutted it so matter-of-factly. you say its bad reasoning, but you are not taking into account the behavior of the players here. what i stated was perfectly true and i'm sure its +ev in a vacuum to kill you in this spot simple because of you being a first timer here on ftr, and having wolf experience
2. to me it seems so obvious I (or anyone) could make a read about the things i said about you (i included it below). the fact that you are forcefully trying to say its bad reasoning, and stating that opinion of yours as a fact, is definitely wolfy evidence
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Originally Posted by gabe
i'm sticking with monstrman
I don't think a noob will be impossible to read. My first game here, I owned dranger. After murdering two innocent villagers like a boss, of course. But still I owned his soul, with no ww experience whatsoever. Meanwhile, people were correctly reading me as a villager. To say that someone who is new is impossible to read is wrong, lazy, and to attempt to lynch them on that basis alone is sloppy.
That said, I get the distinct feeling that gabe is simply getting a feel for monstrman here.
"impossible" was too strong of word. i regret using that but the point still remains
however new players with experience should be a little dangerous for us because of this inherent lack of readability. already i have this internal debate on monstr. "would he ever use that word choice as a villager?" its hard to say because i havent played with him. i dont know if he is typically forceful of his opinions. i dont know if he actually believes his own argument (on ftr i can sometimes spot some dissonance which is so wolfy). if he is a villager, im already SMH at his first ever lifetime argument with me.
impossible is obviously the wrong word because here i am trying to read him!
Gabe, what do you make of Dhuber-MMM?
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Originally Posted by daven
This similarity smells fishy. Two strong players who generally have great intuition are hedging. BID's nipping at the MMM wagon is soft. Daven's lynch vote on Dhuber is also questionable since there's no good reason to poke Dhubs right now and he seems like the strongest villager so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
Baudib's slow play is def something we should all be noting. After a few early kills, I suppose it makes sense for him to change things up. So I'm not leaning hard wolf on him; maybe a slight special feel tho. Baud's a huge asset to the village and I think we've been remiss in dismissing him so early the last couple games. Even if he does begin to push the spew, we need to consider his value over his tedium. He plays a lot of high-content games and has the skills to multitask, so I'm willing to overlook the spazz. As a wolf, he could obv be strong too but I think easy to spot in this format as time goes on. That player summary he made for his BFF was epic but that could easily be a wolf smoke bomb. I put Baud neutral but his nose is glowing...Quote:
Originally Posted by BankItDrew
I want to hear more from MMM. Nothing he's done looks good/villagery so far. But it feels like a low-accountability lynch.
The problem may be that he has so much Cursed equity that we'll need to get rid of him soon, and he's definitely going to have to prove himself before he can ever be trusted in a crucial spot again.
That said, I'm not in love with his wagon either. Couple votes seem lazy. I have a few wolf candidates in mind but I wanna see how it develops.
I will be taking more time to read and reread rather than just respond to every useless post. You should know that I gave you a couple of villager points for post #106 but that only makes you neutral for me, too...you did some pretty damn wolfy before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Tell me, Keybored, in your own words: How would I catch you wolfing?
Rest assured I am not playing slow, however, and I will not play slow in any role, ever.
blah, formatting blows on that C&P. but I have 2x as many posts as anyone else.
Well that's just plain not nice then :(Quote:
Originally Posted by gabe
I won't lynch monstrman d1 regardless of experience. It's like 'welcome to ftr! come stand on this chair and stick your head in this loop of rope...'
At least offer the poor guy a a coffee and a ferrero rocher first, we can lynch him d2
This is classic MadMoMo style. Quite diff from all his happy-place earlier posts. MoMo can't help it but he takes this game too seriously; which, isn't necessarily bad. But going goggly-goo is not natural for him and it comes off crass. MoMo, be who you feel most comfortable being. You need to recognize your success from last game having gone so deep and accept the cred for your style nearly winning (you had the 99% solution and woulda been MVP contender if you'da pinched Ong at the end there).Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey
That said, your beginning play still has me leaning hard wolf until I see a reason otherwise.
On a side note, nice pickup on the movie quote! French Kiss is a classic and Meg was at her hottest!
From what I can see irt mmm he looks kinda scaoegoatey tbh. I can't quite put my finger on it but the way the thread is flowing irt his discussion just doesn't jive with me.
For example everyone just seems to kind of assess that he has a 180 attitude of the last game and otherwise ignore him completely, which makes him seem like a topic of discussion but not really a serious one. Anyway just something I'm noting.
Getting good tone reads from bid and Ong
Trying as hard as I can to be objective about gabe but him wanting to lynch me purely for the fact that I'm new still doesn't make sense to me.
Baudib seems smack in his villager range.
Out for now, pretty hungover.
Glglgl village.
Awts <3Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I mean the sentiment feels almost the same as gabe but at least I have a buffer zone to convince you I'm a villager and you don't seem to be already convinced I'm the only lynch option for today.
I'm a sucker for people who are nice to me in game. Probably a bad thing.
I'm not worried about Monstr. I'm sure I'll be able to clear him by D2 if he's a villager. He has about a billion villager tells and anyway, he is the GOAT at clearing himself and a terrible wolf (allegedly).
Still want Gabe to comment on this
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Originally Posted by baudib
Baud...I'm by no means trying to encourage you to become Sir Post-Alot! Quite contrary. I actually think your style would more resemble Ong's if you slowed down and summarized better. BTW, I'd consider that a good thing (no jab to Ong here). Alas, I was simply highlighting your change in pattern.Quote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Baudib, gabe, ong, and mmm all feel like their villager game.
Keith feels off. So does Luco and wuf.
I hafta like a dude who calls himself a 'Monstah' and has a hangover on Tuesday morning!Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
Gabe...WTF are you doing? I get the early jab to test the new guy but damn dude. I'm with Baud, what's your MMM read? BTW, if we're gonna look at style change ups, Gabe isn't exactly his usual early-game, quiet self. Just sayin
I don't have a read on you yet. That 'lynch him d2' was a quip.Quote:
Originally Posted by monstrman
So me towning you quickly on d1 doesn't alarm you?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Keith has one post and Wuf feels like wuf. Even so, this is your least wolfy post so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Haha I beat you to that post luco.
Have some town points though for picking bad vibes from the same post as me.
WTF?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Gabe, Daven and Luco are def off.
MMM is waaay off his usual self.
Keith's had one post FFS! And it's classic him. How's he off anything?
Baud, Ong, Wuf and BID are laying sorta low but keeping within their village lanes.
Dhuber is square in his village lane and I like his early involvement (lesson learned paying off).
Rong I don't know much and Monstah + Aubrey, not at all.
Who'd I miss?
Nah your reaction was too slow, no town points for you.
I said it was the least wolfy of his three posts, despite my disagreement. His comments on MMM where he used the phrase "if not a wolf" and his wuf post (the pm thing) both came off worse imoQuote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
Leas wolfy? So you did. Weird how I read that as most. Maybe that's because I was thinking it was wolfy.
Glad you cleared that up cuz I was about to jump on that shit!Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
This is literally JKDS' first post of the game. This really does not feel like someone making his first post. Most people open with a casual comment, even wolves try to be casual first post. But this is srsbsns.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I propose that JKDS is a wolf who has been chatting in the den, and simply forgot that he hadn't posted in the game thread yet.
A simple misread should be considered very much neutral. I'm a spazz as both alignments, as you know well!Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
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Originally Posted by Keybored
speaking of chats that could have been saved for the wolf den....Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
:roll:
Are you calling me paranoid?
Yer just skeert of another Ong/Keybored domination! How epic would that be?? TBH, I don't think I could spend another month locked in the den with that guy!! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Ong misreading Luco is fine/normal. Keybored wanting to jump all over him for it feels thin. The acknowledgement of it and that little exchange feels contrived IMO. Those of you who villaged last game, please comment.
This post alone
Has 3 minor wolf tells. Keybored and Gabe have failed to acknowledge questions I put to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Ong, that's a good catch by you, maybe. JKDS' opening was pretty awkward in retrospect; when reading it in real time (on my phone) it felt ok because of where the thread was flowing at the time. Plus it seemed no less awkward than probably 5-6 other people ITT so far.
JKDS, get at me with your take on Ong and Gabe specifically.
Alarm? No. Its far more interesting that you arent being out-of-character-paranoid like your last wolf game.Quote:
Originally Posted by OngBonga
My other posts were wolfy? Why did you wait till I say you felt off before addressing this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Pretty sure I already called out your wuf post. Just because you didn't respond doesn't mean I didn't address itQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
I don't recall gabe ever playing the paranoia card before.
***
Ahem. 'super awesome' FFSQuote:
Originally Posted by Luco
How else would you describe a solo wincon?
Frankly, this question is one of the wolfiest things ITT so far. There is simply no reasonable answer which makes any sense, and that indicates that the original statement was a clear and plain jest, and Luco pretending to take it seriously is shady.
***
wuf's read on dhubs is baffling to me. It's like wuf didn't mod last game where dhubs was doing basically exactly what he's doing now. If wuf is going to side against dhubs, it simply must be for more compelling reasons.
I don't like wuf's mechanics questions in thread, but I can see people calling me out as hypocritical on that account, since I didn't understand the gravity of this tell ever before. I talked a bit of mechanics in last game (anybody want a flow chart?), and all it got me was wolf-vibe.
I don't like wuf's shockingly low (for wuf) post count.
***
For the record, I have a physics degree. We're a notoriously eccentric and goofy lot. I generally take my Latin name, Alserious, whenever I post pedagogically, which is pretty much all of the time on FTR. However, there is no reason to take the wee hours of D1 in a WW game seriously, certainly not educationally.
So I decided to pseudo-spew in a strong way under the assumption that honest villagers would see right through me, and dishonest wolves would try to latch onto it.
Did wuf fall for the trap? YOU DECIDE!!
Who said that?
Wuf said that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
***
Daven said it, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by daven
You mean this post, where you disagree with an assessment? Thats hardly 'calling me out.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
@Baudib: I missed your post. I can't explain specifically why I feel people are off their game. I just do. Last game, I latched onto Keith's theory because it fit what I felt. Im not gonna go wild speculating this game, but I trust my gut.
@MMM: It was a long con reaction test? Prove it. Why is wuf and daven saying 'cursed' evidence your trap succeeded?
I didn't think anything of ong's misread either. I'm not feeling the contrived thing though, can see why you might think it but nah. Keybored comes off worse than ong in that exchange imoQuote:
Originally Posted by baudib
Yeah that's the one and in hindsight I was a bit too polite in that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
Surely you're joking, Mr. MoMo...I like that the old MoMo Mojo is back and (for now) I believe his tale of early joviality.
Rescind MoMo
prove it? lolwat? I stated my case. Insert your own critical thinking.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
(I'll answer any actual questions.)
wuf and daven quotes are separate from my mini-game. I could have included the *** (section break) before the wuf quote, but it flows nicely from the prior paragraph.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
OK, I see that this is not perfectly clear in my post above. My ruse was to expose honest villagers and dishonest wolves in their analysis on my pseudo-spew. I think wuf is the only vote on me that shows less-than-expected delving into my motivations.
dhubs is reading level 0 and I read wolfy on level 0, by design. (I think I was calling this level 1 in a prior post... not positive on semantics.)
Keith is righteously doubtful of my ability to represent him as a teammate.
Key is new here, and knows I'm 180 out of line with our last game, where he and I had a ton of interaction.
These 3 votes make sense to me.
The only way a wuf vote makes sense on me is if he's butthurt over me being butthurt over the rules change last game... and I don't believe that is the case. I think wuf has too much self-confidence to even believe I stand by my criticism. Wuf's not butthurt, so what's his angle?
I knew I'd come off like that but wasn't concerned about it. FWIW, I spent a lot of time working with Ong last game and it's natural for that to spill over into this game. Nothing more to it, really. Side note, I like the old Luco avatar better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
yeah rocket chair was awesome. I may bring it back, just not mid game :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Keybored
Do you know what the new avatar is from?
@key: I'm not joking. And stop calling me Shirley.
(For the record, another remarkably clever quip from key. "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman" is a book of witty correspondences from one of the foremost ambassadors of physics during the nuclear era, Dr. Richard Feynman. In this book, the noted physicist is more humorous than intellectual.)
I recognize it, but I can't put my finger on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
idk about the mmm thing but it doesnt seem like a big deal for now...it didnt raise a big alarm when i read it the first time
its one of the many hilarious glitches in the new assassins creed game:
http://www.kotaku.com.au/2014/11/one...es-is-now-art/
@gabe: Do you think my gambit netted any results?
Dammit...u beat me to it. I was gonna say it's Shay Cormac from Rogue but it's hard to tell from the small avatar.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco