small problems

didnt believe it raise.... thought he was stealing....

dont play like i did this hand :)

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saw flop

Hero (BB) ($1.98)
UTG ($1.58)
UTG+1 ($0.90)
MP1 ($4.73)
MP2 ($2.92)
CO ($8.61)
Button ($4.24)
SB ($1.64)

Preflop: Hero is BB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/5c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/4c.gif
5 folds, Button bets $0.08, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.17) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qs.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/8h.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/2c.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08

Turn: ($0.33) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7c.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.14, Hero calls $0.14

River: ($0.61) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9c.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.40, Hero raises to $1.68 (All-In), Button calls $1.28

Total pot: $3.97 | Rake: $0.19

he had KcQc :)

Haha ouch. The flop call is terrible, obviously. What you're doing here at the flop is floating, and at 2nl it's just a waste of time. Floating is calling a bet with nothing with the intention of bluffing a later street, but at 2nl, people are much less likely to fold top pair to a raise at a later street, therefore floating is not profitable when you're playing against bad players.

You're much better off punishing those who can't fold top pair, you really don't need to bluff at 2nl.

i know... really dont know what i was thinkink of.... anyway it was stupid of me and i got punished by poker god :)

I'd probably 3bet preflop (except against a player with very low ATS) and c/f flop.

doing 3bet in 2nl means going all in.... they rarely fold a 3bet no matter what they have

I've had pretty good success with 3betting at 2NL so far. Maybe it wouldn't be the best tact to take though unless you know you're up against someone with the presence of mind to try to blind steal somewhat light (LAG/TAG stats).

i try to adapt to them...but not always works.... i seen players folding QQ to 3 bet on my AK, but the same players playing J9 to my 8bb raise... they are weird

these are my sessions since i joined your site plus the one from today witch is +7$ in my account.... you dont wanna see the prrevious ones, were + and - but mostly -.
dont know what subliminal messages are here on topics or what magic are you doing, but it damn works for me :) ty again FTR... when i make my first million $ from poker i am buying all drinks :D



Hands Stakes Net Start End
997 $0.01/$0.02 NLH (9-max) $5.91 Nov 24th - 5:55am CST Nov 24th - 11:09am CST

1176 $0.01/$0.02 NLH (9-max) $2.58 Nov 23rd - 5:43am CST Nov 23rd - 11:56am CST

1407 $0.01/$0.02 NLH (9-max) $7.01 Nov 22nd - 5:36am CST Nov 22nd - 12:09pm CST

809 $0.01/$0.02 NLH (9-max) $5.08 Nov 21st - 7:26am CST Nov 21st - 12:15pm CST

2 $0.02/$0.05 NLH (9-max) $-0.05 Nov 21st - 7:23am CST Nov 21st - 7:24am CST

135 $0.01/$0.02 NLH (9-max) $1.91 Nov 20th - 9:30am CST Nov 20th - 11:50am CST

198 $0.01/$0.02 NLH (9-max) $0.81 Nov 20th - 4:24am CST Nov 20th - 7:21am CST

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

just 3 hands i seen of him play with others... every time he was ahead he was really agressive, when board scared him he slowed down and waited for the other...

hands with me: i 3 bet him once and he folded, called me on a cbet once then went all in on the turn....


was this played right?

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saw flop

SB ($0.66)
BB ($0.80)
UTG ($2.03)
Hero (UTG+1) ($3.24)
MP1 ($5.24)
MP2 ($3.21)
MP3 ($1)
CO ($1.26)
Button ($0.63)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with :tc:, :th:
UTG bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, 7 folds

Flop: ($0.19) :as:, :5d:, :qs: (2 players)
UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.59) :7d: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

River: ($1.19) :qh: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.66, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.19 | Rake: $0.05

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What was your thought process in that hand? Cos one thing I really struggle with is understanding why inexperienced players do stuff like that.

Maybe we can do a hannibal lecter deal here and you tell me why you raised flop and half-potted turn and river, and I can tell you why it makes no sense. :D

you could also add in why min raising in general is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by Tukka

I'd probably 3bet preflop (except against a player with very low ATS) and c/f flop.

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I think thats terrible in this situation. At 2nl they will call , if you 3bet you are building a big pot , you will be out of position and your post flop hand strength will be terrible.IF he had the KcQc yeah fine you probably have the best hand pre. folding pre is by far the best here in the absence of stats/reads on the villain.

Also , 3bets at 2nl do not need to be shoves.if you 3bet a 4bb open to 10-12bb with your QQand a nitty villain with <2% 3bet /4bet shoves you can fold and save most of your stack because his shoving range KK+ is beating you . Had you shoved he would have instacalled anyway leaving you praying for a miracle.

oskar...i raised flop to see if he really has the A. that all, if he reraised me then i fold, he didnt , he checked turn, and then i thought he has AK, KK, JJ and he is afraid i hit the AQ. guessed he keeps calling waiting a K. told my play was wrong i know i should have folded flop. i chose those bets because he seen playing AQ lots of times and i thought the line bet would make him think i really have AQ/// i repeat, i know its wrong.

here are my 2nl lifetime stats from the net. please see them and tell me what do you think about my play after these stats. please be as criticising as you can be. i really dont know if its good, bad or i should stop playing.


Summary

Profits$ -75 BB/100 -2.4 Hands 26,133 Cont. Bet 63% Aggr. Factor 1.48
VP$IP 22.6% Aggr. Freq. 40% PreFlop Raise 8.1% Went to SD35%
Steal Blinds 14% Win at SD48% Fold vs Steal81% 3-Bet3%

pre-flop

Hands Played 26,150 Limp 15.2% VP$IP 22.6% Squeeze 2.7% PreFlop Raise 8.1% 3-Bet 3% Cold Call 13.6% Fold vs 3-Bet29% Raise First In 10.7% Call vs 3-Bet 57%Steal Blinds14% 4-Bet 14.5% Fold vs Steal 81% Fold vs 4-Bet 6% Call vs Steal 17%Call vs 4-Bet 77% Raise vs Steal 2.8%

flop

Flops Seen 6,19 3Cont. Bet 60% Aggr. Factor 1.27 Unopened Bet 26%
Aggr. Freq. 36% UO In Pos. Bet 36% Fold 48% Bet W$SD 55% Check 74%
Raise W$SD 55% Call 39% XRaise W$SD 48% Bet 26% Cont. Bet W$SD 55%
Raise 13% Push Allin W$SD 52%

turn

Turns Seen 4,091 Cont. Bet 75% Aggr. Factor 1.58 Unopened Bet 32% Aggr. Freq. 43%UO In Pos. Bet 41% Fold 47% Bet W$SD 58% Check 68% Raise W$SD 61%
Call 40% XRaise W$SD 41% Bet 32% Cont. Bet W$SD 59% Raise 12%
Push Allin W$SD 58%

river

Rivers Seen 2,961 Cont. Bet 73% Aggr. Factor 1.88 Unopened Bet 33%
Aggr. Freq. 46% UO In Pos. Bet 32% Fold 51% Bet W$SD 65% Check 67%
Raise W$SD 60% Call 36% XRaise W$SD 36% Bet 33% Cont. Bet W$SD 66%
Raise 13% Push Allin W$SD 55%

showdown

SD Seen 2,144 Bet W$SD 59% WtSD 35% Raise W$SD 58% W$SD 48%
XRaise W$SD 43% Allin W$SD 48% Push Allin W$SD 55%

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Originally Posted by Keith_MM

I think thats terrible in this situation. At 2nl they will call , if you 3bet you are building a big pot , you will be out of position and your post flop hand strength will be terrible.IF he had the KcQc yeah fine you probably have the best hand pre. folding pre is by far the best here in the absence of stats/reads on the villain.

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OP did indicate that he had some sort of read (he said he thought it was a steal attempt, could have been based on some sorts of stats rather than just a gut feeling). Though on second thought I guess 54s is probably too light to defend with in this manner.

[QUOTE=Razvan729;1991706]
pre-flop

Hands Played 26,150
Limp 15.2% - what cards and from what positions are you limping?
VP$IP 22.6% - ok but ideally you should be tightening up until you get some experience
Squeeze 2.7% - ok
PreFlop Raise 8.1% - by product of your limping - tighten up , play better cards and raise them instead of limping crap..Aim to get this with about 4% of your vpip.
3-Bet 3% - fine
Cold Call 13.6%- see previous comments
Fold vs 3-Bet29% - MAJOR LEAK - fold to 3bets a lot more aim for >75% only possible exceptions ae vs min raises as they are pricing you in if they are fully stacked.
Raise First In 10.7%
Call vs 3-Bet 57% - far too high
Steal Blinds14% - could be too low, but not hurting you too much
4-Bet 14.5% - way way too high 4bet with KK,AA which will make this nearer 2%
Fold vs Steal 81% - ok
Fold vs 4-Bet 6% - what the fuck??? theres beeen a raiser , someone else thinks that they have much better cards than the raiser and you think hey i'm good here call.??????
Call vs Steal 17% - depends on villains and your cards
Call vs 4-Bet 77% - MAJOR MAJOR leak ....this is stacks disappearing
Raise vs Steal 2.8%- probably ok til you get more experience . Avoids playing a raised pot out of position.

he has been for an hour at the table, hasnt played a hand it is his first.

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saw flop

Hero (UTG+1) ($2.64)
MP1 ($0.73)
MP2 ($1)
CO ($1.29)
Button ($1.63)
SB ($5.25)
BB ($1.17)
UTG ($0.57)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ac.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/kd.gif
1 fold, Hero bets $0.10, 2 folds, CO calls $0.10, 3 folds

Flop: ($0.23) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ks.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/jh.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.22, CO raises to $0.88,hero ???

"Call vs 4-Bet 77%"

Wow.

Just because you 3bet, it does not mean you have to call a 4bet. Lay down hands like AQs and JJ to a 4bet unless the 4bet is a shove and you're priced in, ie you 3bet to $0.36 and he 4bets to $0.60 all in. Keith is right, this is a MAJOR LEAK.

This AK hand, it's a tough spot. Villain tendancies play a huge role in spots like this. We need to know he can play flush draws or KQ like this. If we haven't seen him raise lighter than TPTK at the flop, it's probably a fold. I'd say the best we can hope for is a Jx spades hand, but it's more likely 2pr at least. You can go ahead and fold this, it's ok.

i did... it was hard to do it but i folded, because he played this only one hand in an hour... seemed pretty tight to me .... he was good to me and showed KK so it was a damn good fold :D

w/ 54s keep in mind that you're actually behind his stealing range along with being OOP so you'll probably need fold equity somewhere in the hand to make it profitable to defend, which is usually preflop or on the flop. You're so far behind on the flop c/c isn't even funny. If you were planning on c/c flop and leading turns or c/r'ing them (if he's barreling it with high frequencies) then this is really a card you should be doing it on. c/c on turn is meh given how small of a bet it was. But like every reason that i've tried to give to justify defending here is villain dependant and none of them probably apply here. you should also be planning future streets when doing things like this which i don't think you were ;(

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

because he played this only one hand in an hour... seemed pretty tight to me ....

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Indeed, exactly the reason we should pay attention, or at least have a HUD. You're way ahead of most at 2nl already. Take in Imthenewfish's post, he hit's the nail on the head. Sort these pissy leaks out and you should be at 5nl in no time.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I fold KQ utg

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think about which is better to open utg, KQs or 66

Quote:

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

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saw flop

SB ($0.66)
BB ($0.80)
UTG ($2.03)
Hero (UTG+1) ($3.24)
MP1 ($5.24)
MP2 ($3.21)
MP3 ($1)
CO ($1.26)
Button ($0.63)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with :tc:, :th:
UTG bets $0.08, Hero calls $0.08, 7 folds

Flop: ($0.19) :as:, :5d:, :qs: (2 players)
UTG bets $0.10, Hero raises to $0.20, UTG calls $0.10

Turn: ($0.59) :7d: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.30, UTG calls $0.30

River: ($1.19) :qh: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $0.66, 1 fold

Total pot: $1.19 | Rake: $0.05

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this is so fucking sexy it hurts. You realise that you're bluffing? probably not ;)

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Originally Posted by daven

think about which is better to open utg, KQs or 66

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I prefer 66, simply because when it hits, it tends to win larger pots, especially in raised pots. KQ has nasty reverse implied odds, the worst that can happen really with 66 is set under set, which is rare. Bottom line is, I don't mind being out of position with a set.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I prefer 66, simply because when it hits, it tends to win larger pots, especially in raised pots. KQ has nasty reverse implied odds, the worst that can happen really with 66 is set under set, which is rare. Bottom line is, I don't mind being out of position with a set.

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http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ml#post1991850

2nl dumb lucky jackass! today and yesterday i had only hands like this 1!

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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG+1 ($0.97)
MP1 ($0.68)
Hero (MP2) ($2.14)
CO ($0.46)
Button ($0.77)
SB ($3.88)
BB ($2.24)
UTG ($3.34)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/jc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/as.gif
3 folds, Hero bets $0.08, 2 folds, SB calls $0.07, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.18) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/3s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/5c.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ah.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.14, SB calls $0.14

Turn: ($0.46) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/jh.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.44, SB calls $0.44

River: ($1.34) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7h.gif (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Total pot: $1.34 | Rake: $0.06

Results:
SB had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif, 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (flush, Ace high).
Hero mucked Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif (two pair, Aces and Jacks).
Outcome: SB won $1.28

You should be happy. It's great to play with people who call your preflop raises with 84, and then call pot sized bets all the way
1) with nothing
2) with a tiny flush draw

Now that you are not a beginner on FTR anymore, stop posting standard hands like these or bad beats or brags. Show hands where you are not sure whether you made the right play, where you had a difficult decision to make, do not show the results and include whatever reads you have on your opponent.

why don't you vbet river bro? do you not like free money?

a donkey like that would have called, he called flop and turn where he draw, he would have called any bet i made on the river, just saved some money... at 2 nl they call anything...

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a donkey like that would have called, he called flop and turn where he draw, he would have called any bet i made on the river, just saved some money... at 2 nl they call anything...

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That's what he is saying, you WANT him to call. To figure out why, put him on a range. Try it. You will see why you should bet the river.

in this case i knew i was beat so why anymore money? i think there is still a chance for me i bet, but i know i am behind why put money in the pot?

You're not beat at all and you are not behind. PUT HIM ON A RANGE!

he had the flush man and i just knew that... why play when you know that?

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

he had the flush man and i just knew that... why play when you know that?

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Are you admitting to being a superuser?

:)) sometimes my gut just tells me what he has... abd 90% of time my gut is right

bullshit... please put him on a rational range. Do it, it will be truly beneficial. We're saying this to help you. Please do not write your next post without ranges in it.

like i seen him play, he could be on 22+ and 78s+.... he called raised pots with that

okay, now please give us a calling range to a bet on the river

Ax, 22+

you do realize that you're saying he's folding flushes, right?

yes i am... you're right... but he showed 8h4h at the SD so putting donks on ranges doenst always work... with donk safe is best.

Soul owned.

Well played.

step 1) put your opponent on a range
step 2) win money from that range
why arent you trying to win money from Ax, 22+ if you didnt think FD's were in his range??

told you... i just felt he has the flush... and he did

if you felt he had flushes in his range then why didn't you put them in his calling range??

you make a good point. and i know you are right, but like i said and i repeat.... sometimes my gut tells me what to do, i do put them on a range, that is why i kept betting flop and turn... on the river i just you the donk made a flush even though he had no draw on the flop.

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3572/lopl.jpg

:)) this is whit what i am dealing at 2nl... this is whi i prefer safe

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saw flop | saw showdown

UTG+1 ($2.06)
MP1 ($1.67)
MP2 ($0.93)
CO ($0.32)
Hero (Button) ($1.95)
SB ($2.35)
BB ($2.72)
UTG ($0.81)

Preflop: Hero is Button with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qc.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/qh.gif
UTG calls $0.02, UTG+1 bets $0.08, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.08, CO calls $0.08, Hero raises to $0.48, 5 folds, CO calls $0.24 (All-In)

Flop: ($0.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/2s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/9d.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7d.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($0.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/js.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($0.85) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/3d.gif (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $0.85 | Rake: $0.04

Results:
Hero had Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, Qhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/heart.gif (one pair, Queens).
CO had 8http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Jhttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (flush, Jack high).
Outcome: CO won $0.81

last 3 days only this happends to me.... i am stagnating.... make 3-4 $ lose them to jackass like this ':) at 2nl ranges have small importance... they anything that crosses theyr mind in a sec and they get lucky

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...st-147397.html

I recommend reading all of the threads linked in the BC digest asap

Dude, it doesn't matter. You tried to put him on a range. That is a good first step. You were then squarely shown it was wrong because you did not include flush draws in it. Now the next step is to go back to work and come back in your next post with a range that includes flushes. Then we'll figure out together how you make money from that range.

Don't tell us what we are facing at 2nl. We all know that.

Go!

so its easy, on the flop bet, his range would be Ax, 22+ cause hes a donk... on the turn in that range include any flush draws combos.

ranges in theory shouldn't get bigger as you get to later streets

i know, but real poker sometimes they do.

No ranges never get wider. He cannot hold two cards on the river that he was not possibly holding on the flop, can he?

The best way to do it is street by street:
- what range do you think he calls your preflop bet with?
- what range do you think he calls your flop bet with
- what range do you think he calls your turn bet with

Be sure you do not add any hands from one range to the next. You can only remove hands (or keep them all in if you want, but never add a hand)

Then:
- what part of his range do you think he would call a bet on the river with?
- what part of his range do you think he would raise a river bet with?
- what part of his range do you think he would fold to a river bet?

i was saying it wrong, often hard to put in english what i think.... you are right.... they dont get wider

^^ please do it. You have to learn to do that if you want to progress. Look at how experimented people post their hands in here and how they reason when they put their opponent on a range.

Stacks - Bob 2012, Terry 2567, Billy 6720, Hero 4555, Englebert 1020, Jesus 967
Englebert posts sb 50
Jesus posts bb 100

Hero is BU and is dealt AKo

1 fold, Terry raises to 250, 1 fold, hero?

Ok, now we look at Terry's stats (and any notes). Turns out he's 19/16. We now ask ourselves what he could raise with. We put him on a raising range. Let's say for argument's sake he does this with 66+ JTo+ A5s+ ATo+, which is around the top 16% of hands. We have equity against this range of 61%, which means, if this range is accurate, our all-in-equity is 61%, that is, if we go all in and he calls this entire range, we win 61% of the time. Of course, he doesn't call his entire range to all in, so we don't go all in, because his calling range is much tighter to an all-in, a range that we would not have 61% against.

Hero raises to 750, 2 folds, Terry raises to 2567 and is all in

Ok, now we adjust his range, because there's a lot of hands he could 2bet with that he would then fold to a 3bet. We remove hands from the raising range, we do not add any. It doesn't make sense to give him, say 44 when he shoves if he can't have it when he raises. If he has it when he shoves, the previous range was wrong.

So now we give him a 4bet shove range. Let's say we got tons of notes on him and we know he only calls AQ and 99/88, folds AJ, other broadways and aces and 77-worse, and shoves the rest. That gives him a 4bet shove range of TT+ AK. We have equity against this range of 40%. We then either call or fold based on the equity compared to the pot odds. More on this here http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ll-173396.html

That's the point of putting people on ranges. It allows us to make mathematically sound decisions, the more accurate the range, the more accurate our response.

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our all-in-equity is 61%, that is, if we go all in and he calls this entire range, we win 61% of the time

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Thanks for your post, I would just like to remark that this is not exactly true because of the times you tie, which can be a non negligible % of the time in some situations. All-in equity=61% really means that if you do this play 10,000,000 times or so with a pot of $1, your profit will be very very close to $6,100,000. This takes into account the times you tie. That is why the 61% is called pot equity and not win%.

ty, you really are great by doing this....i know this things.... i am on tilt now... had 34$ thursday, now i am down to 16$... last 3 days all went wrong...that is why i just ... dont know... seems that i atract all donks... like the gravity :)

Thanks daviddem. My understanding is still pretty vague. This range game is the part of my game I'm trying to focus on the most, I recognise the mathematical benefit of an accurate range.

did range help you in any at 2 nl?

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

did range help you in any at 2 nl?

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Not really. I'm now a break-even 5nl player, not a winning 2nl player. Range is becoming a more important factor. But I tried to apply ranges at 2nl. The reason I was able to win easily at 2nl is patience.

this is why i said that... you know damn well that in 2 nl is a lot about luck... no matter how much you try to put them on a range, they cards will always be outside that range but hiting the board over you....

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

this is why i said that... you know damn well that in 2 nl is a lot about luck... no matter how much you try to put them on a range, they cards will always be outside that range but hiting the board over you....

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It's not about luck, it's about patience. If they have cards outside of an expected range, then make a note, give them a wider range next time.

that is easy... donks have this range: 22+ and 23o + :)) really :D

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Originally Posted by Razvan729

that is easy... donks have this range: 22+ and 23o + :)) really :D

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Some of them do have this range. That's great, that's why we have a bankroll, that's why we don't play beyond our means, so that we can take the hits against these high-variance players when they get lucky. Bottom line is, they're not winning players. Focus on your own leaks, don't worry about other people's.

If people are showing down junk, make a note, use note when applying range.

i know you are right... when i am damn frustrated like this, i make no sense when talking.... this is the right way to play, like you all say , i just to learn and keep a lot cooler

he was always trying to steal blinds... first time i call him in SB or BB... never saw a hand from him, never got SD, but he played agg no matter board structure, always when reraised on any street he folded...

on the flop i put him on Axso, 77,44, 99+, any flush combos.

on the turn i give him the same range, but i think he doant have the flush...

qyPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (7 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

Button ($2.16)
Hero (SB) ($1.93)
BB ($5.10)
UTG ($0.89)
MP1 ($5.13)
MP2 ($0.74)
CO ($1.81)

Preflop: Hero is SB with http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/as.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/td.gif
4 folds, Button bets $0.06, Hero calls $0.05, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.14) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7s.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/ah.gif, http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/4s.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.12, Button raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.18

Turn: ($0.74) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/3s.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42

River: ($1.58) http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...smilies/7h.gif (2 players)
hero???

i am thinking going all in.

should i use the fold equity on 2nl? i am using pokerstove on big pots, and anytime i get over 60% i bet the pot or go all in.... but, people here just dont fold, even though i put them on the right ranges.... just i should just do it as a exercise for me in the future and just keep playing only my cards in 2nl without trying bluffs based on equity?

- your hand above, 3b preflop
- why do you include 99-KK in his raising range when there is an A on the flop and you just donk bet into him? You think he is bluffing?
- why do you think he could not have the flush on the turn if he had all the flush combos on the flop?
- why do you think of going all-in on the river? If you want to go all in anywhere in this hand, it should be on the flop. The hand of your opponent did not get any weaker since the flop, and yours did not get any stronger. If you think he really has that many flush draws and that many weak aces in his range and stuff like 99-KK, and that he is going to call if you 4b on the flop, then you should raise (not necessarily all in yet, but raise). On the contrary, if you think that he only raises your bet on the flop with AK or AQ or AJ, then you should fold.

Most of the time you should bet, raise or fold. Calling should be the less frequent of your actions. DO NOT CALL BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD BET OR FOLD. JUST MAKE A DECISION.

When you bet or raise, always ask yourself why: there are only two reasons:
1) for value when you think your hand has a better equity than that of the calling range of your opponent.
2) as a bluff because you think he might lay down a hand better than yours.

If these conditions are not met, then most of the time you should check or fold. One scenario in which a call is correct is when you are facing a bet or a raise and you think your hand is better but your opponent will probably NOT call if you raise, or when you think he has the better hand but you have a draw with good implied odds. Then calling is an option.

Generally at the micros, you almost only bet for value.

"Using fold equity" is bluffing or semi-bluffing. Generally you should only try that against tight players, or good players who are capable of laying down a good hand when they feel they are beat.

Keep trying and practicing putting your opponents on ranges. It is more an art than a science and it needs work and practice. Do it every time you play and after you play when reviewing your hands.

never thought 3bet pf with that in that position

the range was anything i thought he could have played there...

i gave the range, but i didnt believe he has a better hand, like i said, he always tried to steal blinds and the way he acted was rutine for him... saw him play like this many times like this

on the river all in because he would call only with made flush nothing else, and that even that i put it in range, the way he acted on turn made me think he doesnt have it.... so a semibluff.

I would fold ATo on the sb to a raise (depending on villain), but I prefer 3bet to call. And flop is most definitely a fold when he raises. Yes, sometimes he has a flush draw and we fold the better hand, but usually it's a better ace and we're crushed. 3bet pre is ok if this guy is raising a lot of hands in late position. And if he 4bets us, AT is such an easy lay down. But I prefer to fold, I'm just not interested in raised pots oop with AT, it's a weak hand. I'd sooner play 67s anyday.

All in on river is bad, his calling range to a shove includes no hands we beat. Shoving this river would be a bluff, it's very important to know when your bet is a bluff or a value bet. There are 0 hands that we beat that he can call, so there is no value. There are some hands that can fold that we lose to, such as AJ for example, so there is bluffing value, but not a lot. This is not a great spot for big pot action, pick your spots better.

well, i went all in and he folded.... but that is why i posted to get a more experienced opinion, and seems i got lucky cause my play was bad...

ty,,, will remember next time

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I would fold ATo on the sb to a raise (depending on villain),

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Really? Come on, it's a steal raise from a button who has been stealing every time he had a chance (see reads). You're way ahead of his range.

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Originally Posted by daviddem

Really? Come on, it's a steal raise from a button who has been stealing every time he had a chance (see reads). You're way ahead of his range.

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Yes, you're right. I did say depending on villain, but I failed to take into account OP's reads on villain in this spot. "he was always trying to steal blinds" means I would 3bet, not fold. But I'd need a note or read to tell me that he raises light in late position for me to play ATo, if we have no read then I fold. I'll pay more attention to OP's reads in future before I respond.