May 2015 Werewolf Gameplay Thread

Here's where I'm at...

Wolf equity
Baudib 77%
Wufwugy 44%
Hoopy 35%
Luco 35%
Boog 31%
JKDS 28%
Bid 27%
Rong 22%
Rascal 15%
Gabe 11%
Rilla 5%

Ong you already called me a villager. In your role as wolf spokesman you'll have to go back and confer with your partners for your next line, this isn't working.

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Originally Posted by gabe

good job putting yourself out there by posting your feeling on everyone but cmon... you have me as strong village then you put rascal at 15%? you have to given him at least 27% (assuming you are village, which is something you are doing but i am not) because of my read. you would need to have village evidence on rascal to go below 27% (and damn you went all the way to 15!) but i dont think you have any

also ong doesnt feel like a 47%er to me

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Rascal is perfectly fine. Just because you have legitimate opinions on him doesn't mean you're correct. In any event, since he tends to live long in games, he'd be a good lookup tonight. So someone do that (or I'll just peek him myself).

Also, have you seen the rest of this group? BID could come in claiming wolf in his first post and only be like the 7th wfiest player here.

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Originally Posted by gabe

how has wuf not hopped in the mix yet? him not posting when there is a good amount of fodder to chew on is not normal. i am very suspicious of him. in fact, i think its so out of character that the entire village will realize this, and i'd bet he is more likely than anyone else to be lynched today

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Did you not notice he voted for you?

And Boog, you're the one who actually says D1 matters. Multiple soft defenses of you have been noted.

Rong seems like a villager in his own way.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Ong you already called me a villager. In your role as wolf spokesman you'll have to go back and confer with your partners for your next line, this isn't working.

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Yeah that was before you ignored me when I asked why the nullest thing ever was worthy of a slight wolf lean, and then dismissed me expertly before continuing to ignore the question.

Ong, in case you're actually not playing dumb... I said Boog was rand/slightly wolfy. That lined up perfectly with putting him at 31% equity ( compared to totally rand 27%). Part of this is because Rilla himself skews the numbers a ton with his obvious villager role. But in any case it is rand or barely above rand and totally not worth talking.

of course you already know this and are using it to avoid talking about more relevant subjects such as Hoopy, Luco and Wuf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Hoopy is actually putting words together in a way that suggests some sort of thought process and is even busyish but in reality says nothing. He's added a third post of that sort that highlights some of the least interesting points made in the thread.

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So what would you say is the most interesting point made so far?

Also, Boog has, you know, my made any effort to appear like a villager.

Not made*

Rilla: Hope your thought experiments have proven fruitful. Now get in here and dance with Ong.
We are not lynching Gabe.

How are you all so sure rilla is s villager. Do you think he's that had a wolf?

S = a.

I could switch Rong and Rascal in my list in deference to Gabe's read.

baudib I just wasn't going to let you ignore me.

Yeah you seem like a villager to me. But you can be a high content wolf, no sweat. I have no intention of actually lynching you today. I don't give a crap if you think I'm a wolf or not, what I do care about is that you're not allowed to brush off questions, no matter how trivial they might seem.

Why are hoopy luco and wuf the relevant subjects? Why not boog baudib ong? I'll have my own opinions about what i find interesting, tyvm.

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Originally Posted by rong

How are you all so sure rilla is s villager. Do you think he's that had a wolf?

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Yes. Dude abhors wolfing and would never be so in-your-face as a wolf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Yes. Dude abhors wolfing and would never be so in-your-face as a wolf.

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I generally agree with this. However, rilla is on papaer an outstanding wolf, he just needs enthusiasm. I don't think he'd have signed up if he wasn't prepared to give it a proper go as wolf. I'm not willing to town him all game on this alone.

I slightly lean villager for rong because of his thoughts & process mirroring mine.

Unofficial count.

gabe - 2

JKDS, Hoopy, rascal, baudib - 1

Who's voting for gabe? Let's lynch one of those.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Yes. Dude abhors wolfing and would never be so in-your-face as a wolf.

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I'm pretty sure he'd do just fine with a little effort.

Rilla is not an excellent wolf anywhere. He actually thinks being a good wolf makes him a worse villager.

ong, you're doing a remarkable job of talking about things everyone already knows + things that matter not one whit.

In fact that logic really sucks. You're saying he shite at the game. Of he can't wolf he can't play. He'd be auto day one lynch if he's fantastic as a villager and shite as a wolf. I don't ever remember rilla being bad at anything. Although admittedly I don't remember him being a wolf at all.

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Originally Posted by rong

In fact that logic really sucks. You're saying he shite at the game. Of he can't wolf he can't play. He'd be auto day one lynch if he's fantastic as a villager and shite as a wolf. I don't ever remember rilla being bad at anything. Although admittedly I don't remember him being a wolf at all.

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How does this make sense? Rilla used to suggest that Gator should be an auto D1 lunch because he's so good as a wolf. Why would you sit lunch someone who's a fantastic villager?

Rilla is a villager (not a peek). Ez parts of the game are Ez.

Let's move on to lunching Wuf or Hoopy.

I meant nk not lynch.

Also we never auto lynch gator because he's a great villager as well as a wolf. Towing rilla every time he plays remotely like himself seems an awful strategy.

baudib you're doing an excellent job of sapping my enthusiasm already.

rilla is capable of wolfing. He might not have proven it to you, but there were games that happened before you existed.

The village auto lynched Gator out of paranoia in the game Rilla modded last year.

Rilla was a really obvious NK n2 of the Gold Rush game and should have been the angel target except Gabe asked for it.

rilla was laughably awful as a wolf in the ghost angel game.

hes a villager here.

move on

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

baudib you're doing an excellent job of sapping my enthusiasm already.

rilla is capable of wolfing. He might not have proven it to you, but there were games that happened before you existed.

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Then stop taking about inane things. The point at which we need to talk about lunching Rilla comes way after both of us are dead.

its fascinati g that you're voting for the boy person you've called a villager in multiple posts.

Are you talking about the game Rilla conceded as the last wolf (courtiebee game)? Don't act as if I don't remember details of games better than peoe who actually played in them.

You're talking about inane things to me, like me talking about inane things. Inane is a point of view, it's an opinion. What's inane to you might not be to me, and vice versa.

My vote is still a joke. I'll change it in due course.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Are you talking about the game Rilla conceded as the last wolf (courtiebee game)? Don't act as if I don't remember details of games better than peoe who actually played in them.

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I'm a stoner. I barely remember yesterday.

I've seen rilla win as wolf in my early days, I'm sure of it. There were also a ton of games before me where rilla was involved. He's vastly experienced. If you think you can just town him based on his enthusiasm, you're not showing him nearly the respect he deserves.

That's an amazing number of posts Ong had made that have nothing to do with the current game state.

Hoopy's "my thoughts mirror Rong's" (said no one ever) was also not impressive.

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Originally Posted by baudib

That's an amazing number of posts Ong had made that have nothing to do with the current game state.

Hoopy's "my thoughts mirror Rong's" (said no one ever) was also not impressive.

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Yeah enthusiasm sapping.

Tell me what I should be talking about baudib.

Lynch OngBonga. I'm probably not moving.

His posts are severely inconsistent. He says baud is likely a villager, bolds him, then fucks up and puts his wolf equity at over 70%. OngBonga done slipped.

lol boog actually took my 77% baudib post seriously

all I did was copy/pasta baudib's post and changed it slightly.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

lol boog actually took my 77% baudib post seriously

all I did was copy/pasta baudib's post and changed it slightly.

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Meh, if you're gonna play and say none of your posts should be taken seriously, you're gonna be a pain to play with anyway and I wouldn't mind seeing you go. Baudib is grating again this game but the man can play.

look, it's d1, and last game all d1 all I did was spew at baudib who ended up being a villager. So forgive me if I'm a little laid back this d1 compared to my usual spaz.

rescind

I'll stop dicking about with my vote from here, fair enough on that.

That was a nice series of posts by Boog. have ~14 villager points for that

btw, I just realized that Rilla's wolfing abilities are LITERALLY the last thing I'm concerned about this game. I'm going to just completely ignore any future posts on this subject and consider it wolfy obfuscation barring major developments.

Yeah, I'm not a wolf. lynch ongbonga

I'll try not to be as grating. We need to work together and find consensus, not run around like a bunch of screaming maniacs.

i'm literally never getting lynched this game cuz I have a get out of jail free card, just bear with me a bit for a couple days and we'll blow this bish wide open.

I never actually suggested that you are rilla.

small note for future reference: Rong talking about Rilla being a D1 lynch when he meant to say "nom" is potentially interesting.

nothing ong has done stands out as wolfy, to me. of course he is unpredictable but his actions havent betrayed anything. if it were a more neutral poster it would be different but ong gonna ong

i agree that rilla has a nice village lean and disagree that baudib does. something about baudib being so forceful on issues doesnt sit right. especially when i disagree with him on things he states as fact. i'm not making a case for baudib here, im just saying im not trusting him. i'm sure playing 10k post werewolf games has improved his ability to manipulate and deceive while posting heavy volume

hoopy is dangerous when we let him stay quiet. wuf isnt normal. rascal said something fishy and is now MIA. others i havent addressed havent done anything out of line yet... but im waiting

I've actually yet to be a wolf in a 10K WW game.

It's improved my villager game immensely (for instance, I learned to stop blindly tunneling people on hero reads).

Also I'm virtually unlynchable as a villager these days.

the mashes go like this every time: I get a couple votes (in a 50-player pool) early on D1 and there's some controversy over it and by mid-D1 (hours) I'm an obvious villager and basically never get wagoned the rest of the game.

predict that wuf will say something to the effect of "you dudes say I'm not normal every game." But yes, I expect villa Wuf to approach the Gabe thing totally differently than he did.

Well, gabe, you and I aren't looking at the same game.

{a500lbgorilla, BankItDrew, baudib, BooG690, gabe, Hoopy, JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew, baudib, BooG690, gabe, Hoopy, JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,BooG690, gabe, Hoopy, JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,BooG690, gabe,JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,BooG690, gabe,JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga,wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,gabe,JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga,wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,gabe,JKDS,Luco, OngBonga,wufwugy}
Leap of faith
{gabe,Luco, OngBonga}

village 3-1 favorite

rilla we looking at same game but you are making the wrong leaps. i appreciate you posting your order of elimination though

There's a bit of catching up for me to do today. I've skimmed the thread, but, I'll just start where I left off.

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Originally Posted by gabe

why would you ponder if anyone is interested? havent in the past you just assumed people would find it useful, so you did it anyway? but now you are making a point to have everyone notice how you do this helpful village activity of posting graphs

lilrascal is legit wolfy already

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The reason that I asked if anyone was interested in the vote graphs is someone (I don't remember who and didn't go back to find it) gave grief to MMM for posting the vote graphs for EOD saying it was just busy work. I find them useful and I'm willing to share and since MMM isn't playing this game, I volunteer to step up and provide that info.

About my making a point of it: the ONLY other game that I've ever posted vote graphs is the Champions game on POG. I have done other charts here for my reads, but I've never posted those graphs before.

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Originally Posted by Luco

I'm liking gabe for villager already. Rilla too. I'm unconcerned with rascals posts so far.

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Originally Posted by gabe

im a villager because i wouldnt fake a post like that to start the game. its just not worth it.

this is the earliest ive ever been cleared. so also this is the earlier im going to ask the angel to look out for me. flip a coin and protect me if its heads so the wolves wont know ;)

lynch rascal

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Why do you say you're clear? Luco is liking you as villager, not clearing you?

With regards to the bold in the quote above. I assume you're talking about the post I just quoted.

Why would you be asking for an angel this early in the game? That just makes on sense from a village perspective.

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Originally Posted by gabe

rilla we looking at same game but you are making the wrong leaps. i appreciate you posting your order of elimination though

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Throwing out ong because he hasn't done anything wolfy while he also hasn't done anything villagery seems like picking sides to me. Not trusting buad who, and I may be a bit biased because he's brought it down on me, clearly knows how to think and it doing it unencumbered, goes left where I would go right. Add in a scattershot of panic pointed across the Hoopies, wufwugies, and rascals of the world. well, that's fair and it is where I leap. Can't tell you why, but I don't think you'll find a wolf in the three.

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Originally Posted by baudib

That's actually reasonable.

I don't like Rascal as a wolf though.

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:thumbsup:

This is not role indicative for Baud, as I've seen him do it when as a villa and as a wolf.


I'm still catching up, but will be around if anyone wants to interact in real time.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Well, gabe, you and I aren't looking at the same game.

{a500lbgorilla, BankItDrew, baudib, BooG690, gabe, Hoopy, JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew, baudib, BooG690, gabe, Hoopy, JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,BooG690, gabe, Hoopy, JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,BooG690, gabe,JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga, rong, wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,BooG690, gabe,JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga,wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,gabe,JKDS, lilrascal, Luco, OngBonga,wufwugy}
{BankItDrew,gabe,JKDS,Luco, OngBonga,wufwugy}
Leap of faith
{gabe,Luco, OngBonga}

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If I'm reading this correcty, the bottom three in this list of {gabe,Luco, OngBonga} are your top wolf candidates.

Yeah, try to keep the wolves between the brackets. It's a fun game. You should try it out.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Yeah, try to keep the wolves between the brackets. It's a fun game. You should try it out.

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I'm working on it. Still catching up though.

I see that you're voting Ong. What's your case on Ong?

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Originally Posted by baudib

eh

Gabe always finds Rascal wolfy, or perhaps more accurately, always goes after Rascal as a wolf. I'm not giving Gabe villa points so light.

He's also asked for angel protection as a wolf before.

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Good point here by Baud. I didn't realize it until he pointed it out. Gabe does come after me every game. I'm guessing it's because he thinks I'm an easy mislynch.

Also, as I pointed out in my earlier post, I found it odd that Gabe's asking for angel protection this early. I can't think of a good reason for a villa to do that at this point in the game, but a wolf could be doing it to PR hunt.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

With regards to the bold in the quote above. I assume you're talking about the post I just quoted.

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i was talking about a post of mine. i was giving evidence on why it would be unlikely wolfgabe would post that

Um... I want to lynch ong.

Let me put it this way. Ong is a iron-nosed puzzle solver who's taken no interest in the puzzle at hand.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

What I do know is that from my pov, baudib is infinitely more likely to be a wolf than I am. I like those odds.

lynch baudib

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When I first read this, I misread it. But assuming you're villa, from a villa POV everyone is infinitely more likely to be a wolf than you are. So, why the push on Baud and not everyone else?

I work things a different way. I start with everyone as neutral and based on interactions they start to move to be more likely villa or more likely wolf.

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Originally Posted by gabe

i was talking about a post of mine. i was giving evidence on why it would be unlikely wolfgabe would post that

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That's what I was referring to. The post of yours that I quoted, the one where you said I was "legit wolfy".

Someone hold up the rong post about A being A and B being B etc against lilrascal who's always like, "Why are you doing these things that you do?"

New blood. So fresh.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Um... I want to lynch ong.

Let me put it this way. Ong is a iron-nosed puzzle solver who's taken no interest in the puzzle at hand.

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Ok, still catching up. I'll keep it in mind as I read.

it would be very newb of me to go after rascal if i was a wolf this game, considering how 2 of the last 3 games as a wolf i tried to get villagerrascal lynched. i was not wrong to go after him then imo



anyone want to entertain idea of rilla studying how to be a convincing wolf? he comes up with a new visual aide {} which is nice but the village logic in it is lacking. how is hoopy your 3rd removal? he plays the same shielded style every game. its even easier to do as a wolf than as a villager. hes DEFINITELY above the 27% mark

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Someone hold up the rong post about A being A and B being B etc against lilrascal who's always like, "Why are you doing these things that you do?"

New blood. So fresh.

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LOL. We all approach the game differently. That's what makes it fun for me.

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Originally Posted by gabe

anyone want to entertain idea of rilla studying how to be a convincing wolf?

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Please, my ego is ready.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

The reason that I asked if anyone was interested in the vote graphs is someone (I don't remember who and didn't go back to find it) gave grief to MMM for posting the vote graphs for EOD saying it was just busy work.

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It was meeeeee

http://media.giphy.com/media/7sN7ushB3hDpe/giphy.gif

I was right tho...

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

I can be lame as either alignment.

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I literally LOL'd when I read this.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

It was meeeeee

http://media.giphy.com/media/7sN7ushB3hDpe/giphy.gif

I was right tho...

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I agree they aren't always helpful, but they can be in many situations.

I used them to reverse a villa read that I had on someone in a game and they proved out to be a wolf.

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Originally Posted by gabe

re:rascal yea but 2 of last 3 games i didnt make a mistake going after rascal because i was a wolf. the other game, if i remember correct, i was going after rascal because the village was coming after me and i thought it would increase my survival. those games i had reasons to do it. here i just sensed him say something out of place and freely posted about it. its day 1... i have no motive


as for your 2nd point, anyone can ask for angel protection as a wolf. i did it here because in the moment of that post i was thinking it was an important thing to say. all my posts before this one i just said whatever the gamethread made me think. this post was different because i had a couple points and wanted to be clear, so i put some construction time into it. where the others i havent (because they are natural innocent villager posts)

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Fair enough on your first paragraph, but I still don't get asking for the angel on the 22nd post of the game. It didn't appear to be in the flow of the game at all. You had no reason at that point to be worried about needing to be angeled.

So why ask? I'm legit interested.

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Originally Posted by gabe

why would you ponder if anyone is interested? havent in the past you just assumed people would find it useful, so you did it anyway? but now you are making a point to have everyone notice how you do this helpful village activity of posting graphs

lilrascal is legit wolfy already

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Originally Posted by baudib

Rascal-Rilla easy read as V-V so far

Gabe is a wolf. Easy game.

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Originally Posted by gabe

im a villager because i wouldnt fake a post like that to start the game. its just not worth it.

this is the earliest ive ever been cleared. so also this is the earlier im going to ask the angel to look out for me. flip a coin and protect me if its heads so the wolves wont know :wink:

lynch rascal

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Originally Posted by baudib

That's actually reasonable.

I don't like Rascal as a wolf though.

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This is what I was referring to yesterday.

No, it isn't reasonable. I can't even tell what Gabe thinks he did that he claimed clears himself (because he said somebody's wolfy???). Nobody gets to clear themselves on post #1, him pointing it out nullifies it anyways. I have no idea what Gabe is talking about.

After I pointed this out yesterday, here comes Baud

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Originally Posted by baudib

Wuf might actually be a wolf

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Originally Posted by baudib

Gabe is >> rand to be a villager and Wuf is > rand to be a wolf.


rilla isn't even serious about thinking Gabe is a wolf, it's just part of some sort of "if Gabe is alive, lunch him" policy.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I thought Gabe's open and attack on Rascal was wolfy based on history/meta. But I've reconsidered and I think his explanation makes sense, he's more in wolf-hunting mode. Also he's talked about optimal villager strat in a way that I think would be -EV to do as a wolf...wifom and all, it would be very clever to do this as a wolf but still overall -EV.

I think Gabe's a villager.

Rilla is baiting/tarping people ... I don't think he actually thinks Gabe is a wolf.

But Wuf seized on it and looks extremely opportunistic.

This is what a wolf does:





This is Wuf seizing on a dream scenario of lynching Gabe D1. He talks about Gabe and then lynches him without even giving a reason for lynching him.

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Rilla never explained his bold for Gabe. Baud claims he thinks Rilla's bold was not serious. I explained my bold for Gabe, and Baud thinks I'm being opportunistic and ignores that I gave reason. If he thinks a lack of a reason for a bold is good to use on me, then he would also think that for Rilla, but he doesn't. He thinks Rilla is a villager because he assumes his lack of knowledge of Rilla's play is good enough to use a simplistic heuristic to evaluate Rilla.

So here we have Gabe saying things that make no sense, then Baud backing him up. Then when I point that out, Baud thinks I'm a wolf, for a reason that contradicts his view that Rilla is not a wolf in the same situation.

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Originally Posted by gabe

how has wuf not hopped in the mix yet? him not posting when there is a good amount of fodder to chew on is not normal. i am very suspicious of him. in fact, i think its so out of character that the entire village will realize this, and i'd bet he is more likely than anyone else to be lynched today

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My hours are different than everybody else. I'm always gone for 16-20 hour stretches. I would expect you to know this since I have stated it many times.


I think I'm sticking with Gabe because I think his first two posts are precisely what wolfgabe would love to do. I think Baud is a good wolf candidate, but I also think he runs with things too quickly, so as a villager he ends up saying all sorts of head-scratchers.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

Fair enough on your first paragraph, but I still don't get asking for the angel on the 22nd post of the game. It didn't appear to be in the flow of the game at all. You had no reason at that point to be worried about needing to be angeled.

So why ask? I'm legit interested.

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i understand your view but i have the benefit of knowing i posted that as a villager.

i asked the angel because in that moment i thought other players would tend to think i was very likely a villager, thus making me a good target to eat. i didnt demand the angel protect me, i just wanted to make it clear they should be thinking about. other players in the game dont always use logical tactics so i thought it was beneficial to post it, and i didnt see harm in doing so

before you make a judgement based on it, consider that if i was a wolf, i would also have no reason to ask for the angel. and if i was a wolf, i would be much more guarded in how i come across. thus im more likely to be a villager than a wolf based off of that post

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

I agree they aren't always helpful, but they can be in many situations.

I used them to reverse a villa read that I had on someone in a game and they proved out to be a wolf.

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Thats the rub tho, isnt it?

Actions are not wolfy or villagery. Its the motivation behind them.

Also, gabe almost always asks for angel protection early. Idk why.

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Originally Posted by gabe

before you make a judgement based on it, consider that if i was a wolf, i would also have no reason to ask for the angel. and if i was a wolf, i would be much more guarded in how i come across. thus im more likely to be a villager than a wolf based off of that post

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Wait, you've done this as a wolf before; or am I wrong?

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Originally Posted by gabe

it would be very newb of me to go after rascal if i was a wolf this game, considering how 2 of the last 3 games as a wolf i tried to get villagerrascal lynched. i was not wrong to go after him then imo

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ooooooooooh that's what you meant. somebody could have fucking told me.

your point is actually sensible, but it's a problem when you make the point. you could very easily just prep it. granted that's a bit less likely than the silly logic i thought you were originally using. guess that nullifies most of what i just posted.

rescind gubu

wuf, i'm unlikely a wolf because of my day 1 posts. i tend not to care what happens on day 1, but this time i saw something so i pointed it out. holding that against me is preposterous. you are incentivizing me to not post in the future on day 1 even when what i say, when taken at face value (regardless of my role), helps the village. D U C Y ??? my initial post was just stating an observation, that anyone, despite their role bias, can see is an interesting point! to push for me to die now is really -ev



the latest bit of evidence to clear me is that wuf is going after me, and he has never been right on day 1 !! yay. vote opposite wuf 2015

the above post i made before seeing jkds and wuf's most recent posts

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Originally Posted by gabe

i understand your view but i have the benefit of knowing i posted that as a villager.

i asked the angel because in that moment i thought other players would tend to think i was very likely a villager, thus making me a good target to eat. i didnt demand the angel protect me, i just wanted to make it clear they should be thinking about. other players in the game dont always use logical tactics so i thought it was beneficial to post it, and i didnt see harm in doing so

before you make a judgement based on it, consider that if i was a wolf, i would also have no reason to ask for the angel. and if i was a wolf, i would be much more guarded in how i come across. thus im more likely to be a villager than a wolf based off of that post

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I'm not making a judgement on it, I'm trying to understand your thought processes. I disagree that you asking for it makes you more likely to be a villager, especially when it stands out the way it does.

From my POV, it seems more wolfy than villagery. As a villager, I wouldn't ask for it unless I felt it was in the best interest of the village to save me over another villager. As a wolf, it could be used to hunt for the villa PR's depending on possible responses to that post.

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Wait, you've done this as a wolf before; or am I wrong?

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i'm sure ive done it before, but i dont necessarily make a habit of it. i would be suprised if i, as a wolf, ever asked for angel protection day 1 like this game in unsolicited manner

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Originally Posted by JKDS

Thats the rub tho, isnt it?

Actions are not wolfy or villagery. Its the motivation behind them.

Also, gabe almost always asks for angel protection early. Idk why.

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They're no help on D1, but after a lynch they can be helpful.

I didn't know that about Gabe. So, it's not role indicative.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

ooooooooooh that's what you meant. somebody could have fucking told me.

your point is actually sensible, but it's a problem when you make the point. you could very easily just prep it. granted that's a bit less likely than the silly logic i thought you were originally using. guess that nullifies most of what i just posted.

rescind gubu

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i'm aware that almost all ive posted this game, i could have done as a wolf, but only if i prepped it. i did not prepare for this game in any way

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Originally Posted by gabe

i'm aware that almost all ive posted this game, i could have done as a wolf, but only if i prepped it. i did not prepare for this game in any way

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I don't understand what you're saying in the bolded part above. Please explain.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

From my POV, it seems more wolfy than villagery. As a villager, I wouldn't ask for it unless I felt it was in the best interest of the village to save me over another villager. As a wolf, it could be used to hunt for the villa PR's depending on possible responses to that post.

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let me adjust your POV :)

you seem to think it was wolfy because its strange. but you need to consider that i know it looks out of the ordinary. also consider that as a wolf i'm very aware on how i come across, and in general as a wolf i do not try and stick out in anyway. combine these things and its very unlikely that i would post at the angel like this.

also in my 10 years of playing werewolf, i dont go after specials in this type of way. i'll save you the time so you dont have to look it up. but rooting out specials is not ever taken into account when i make a post. so my angel post should be discounted as wolfy evidence because of this

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

I don't understand what you're saying in the bolded part above. Please explain.

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the point is everything i have posted was just natural villageryness. the only way i could come across this way as a wolf is if i spent time preparing a plan. the post you quoted is me saying i did not do that this game, although i guess its in my "range"

Gabe, Ong has been OBJECTIVELY wolfy in numerous ways. Oh let us count the ways:

1. His strongest game-related stance so far has been that you, me and Rilla are villagers. Despite this, he's been working actively to muddy the waters by voting me (twice) and arguing at length about the strength of Rilla's wolf game. This is not only directly contradictory to what his actual words are ("X is a villager, lynch X") I can show you many times in past games where Ong talks about Rilla, and it's usually something along the lines of "Rilla is a great wolf hunter and an average wolf at best, I'm not worried about him."

2. Luco-Hoopy-Wuf...if these three aren't in your top 4 wolf candidates right now I don't know what to tell you. I think you agree. Ong has been strangely silent about all of them.

3. For instance, Ong spent more time splitting the hairs between "totally null" and "rand (27%) to slightly (31%) wolfy" than talking about any wolf candidates.

Ong is reminding me a lot of that hotshots game we played around New Year's where I just straight trolled everyone and tried to brush it off as joking. I was a wolf.

I don't buy any of the "I couldn't do this as a wolf" stuff, but I'' buy the "I'm not doing it as a wolf now" stuff.

Based on reading some past wolf chats, it's actually true that Gabe doesn't spend much time thinking about hunting specials as a wolf.

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Originally Posted by gabe

let me adjust your POV :)

you seem to think it was wolfy because its strange. but you need to consider that i know it looks out of the ordinary. also consider that as a wolf i'm very aware on how i come across, and in general as a wolf i do not try and stick out in anyway. combine these things and its very unlikely that i would post at the angel like this.

also in my 10 years of playing werewolf, i dont go after specials in this type of way. i'll save you the time so you dont have to look it up. but rooting out specials is not ever taken into account when i make a post. so my angel post should be discounted as wolfy evidence because of this

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I agree with you that it doesn't make you wolfy. What I said was to your response that it made you more likely villa.

You're still in my neutral pile, but I'm trying to understand your thought process here so that I can try and get a read on you and if you're villa clear you so I concentrate on finding wolves.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Um... I want to lynch ong.

Let me put it this way. Ong is a iron-nosed puzzle solver who's taken no interest in the puzzle at hand.

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rilla my lack of enthusiasm is down to a number of factors, including IRL (just got back from festival, playing lots of poker), last game's d1 (where I spewed at baudib villager), and the fact that I've already been called a lock wolf from him, you're on my case... I don't want to dominate d1. I just want to coast until tomorrow. So, kindly, piss off.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

rilla my lack of enthusiasm is down to a number of factors, including IRL (just got back from festival, playing lots of poker), last game's d1 (where I spewed at baudib villager), and the fact that I've already been called a lock wolf from him, you're on my case... I don't want to dominate d1. I just want to coast until tomorrow. So, kindly, piss off.

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It's not a lack of enthusiasm. It's an lack of ong-asm.

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Originally Posted by baudib

small note for future reference: Rong talking about Rilla being a D1 lynch when he meant to say "nom" is potentially interesting.

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That's only interesting when it's the other way round.

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Originally Posted by lilrascal

When I first read this, I misread it. But assuming you're villa, from a villa POV everyone is infinitely more likely to be a wolf than you are. So, why the push on Baud and not everyone else?

I work things a different way. I start with everyone as neutral and based on interactions they start to move to be more likely villa or more likely wolf.

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It's my stupid sense of humour. Of course everyone else is infinitely more likely to be a wolf from my pov. I wasn't being serious when I was saying that.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

It's not a lack of enthusiasm. It's an lack of ong-asm.

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It's a lack of willingness to do what I did last game. Call it what you like.

I did. Ong-asm.

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Originally Posted by gabe

how has wuf not hopped in the mix yet? him not posting when there is a good amount of fodder to chew on is not normal. i am very suspicious of him. in fact, i think its so out of character that the entire village will realize this, and i'd bet he is more likely than anyone else to be lynched today

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Originally Posted by baudib

Did you not notice he voted for you?

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Gabe, I didn't see where you replied to this post from Baudib regarding wuf.

What are your thoughts here?

I'm ok with leaving Ong for now. Gabe seems interested deeply in Wuf and I think we can all find common ground there.

I'm also fine with a re-leap of faith and a wuf lynch.