Varchertine's Werewolf Game Thread

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Originally Posted by baudib

Here's a giant post saying nothing. It's blatantly clear that everyone wants your assessment of each other and that practically everyone else is making judgments based on the opinions of partners. Your refusal to do so is hugely detrimental to the village.

The fact that Hoopy won't clear you or give you more than a tepid "neutral" response should worry everyone.

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i dont want anybody else's assesmment from private chat, and i dont care if they want mine. just like i dont jump off a bridge because others are doing it. just like i dont believe in god just because most people do

you are arguing that it is good policy to just take peoples' word for it. i am arguing that it is not

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Originally Posted by baudib

my original assessment still stands. 70%-75% for Boog and 10%-15% for Monstr.

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This is nonsense.

I'd put it at 10% boog 5% monstr, and I'm probably exaggerating.

monstr's reaction to boog getting heat is to shrug his shoulders and accept the group's read on him. That is the opposite of wolfy. Why would a wolf not think "this is bad" and make efforts to minimise damage? monstr is never a wolf. boog could be, but it's unlikely based on end of day wagons... gabe/rong is a huge mislynch, and if boog is a wolf, then wolves make more of an effort to obtain that over a wolf lynch. rilla said if the two wagons were both v/v then wolves probably do nothing... he was right.

boog/monstr are v/v

I swear I do this every game. I tell everyone why boog is a villager, and everyone goes nah shut up ong, and boog dies and flips villager.

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Originally Posted by baudib

and you're wrong. Almost every game we've had since the Ghost Angel game has featured wolves bussing in ruthless and really showy ways, often very early in the game. If a wolf or two can get some villa cred by killing off a partner who is paired with a villager they'd go for it and there was obviously plenty of time to still move to a V/V lynch.

The fact that you don't want to consider Boog or the late Gabe voters is totally mystifying.

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A villager dying with a wolf is not a bonus for them. It's their nom. Wolves might be bussing, but are wolves gonna bus boog when gabe/rong are dangling as mislynch? No they are fucking not.

There is nothing on boog except lots of people going "he's wolfy"... exactly the same as every game ever. The only game boog ever made it to endgame that I can remember was whe he was actually a wolf... he's a MUCH better wolf than you people seem to think.

There's is a reason for boog to be a villager, and an even bigger reason for his buddy to be. They are an awful lynch today, and baudib pushing for it is a wolf desperately trying ot keep mislynches open, because there aren't actually that many, are there.

I think boog's proposal is wrong, I expect the wolves to be paired with villagers.

I was against the Wuf lynch D1 because he got too many early frivolous votes. I don't see how he got any V-cred since then.

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Originally Posted by BooG690

TL;DR - Rilla/Baud, Keybored/Luco, W/W, W/W

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I estimate ~0% chance the wolves are paired W-W and W-W.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

A villager dying with a wolf is not a bonus for them. It's their nom. Wolves might be bussing, but are wolves gonna bus boog when gabe/rong are dangling as mislynch? No they are fucking not.

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This is what I want to see from my peeps.

I am very comfortable with ong as V and I like this read from him.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

That's the nth time you've mischaracterized what I've done.

I did not say I cleared BID in chat.

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this is what i saw

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I'm fairly confident that BID is V.

I am worried about breaking the rules to state why... here goes.

Our choice of communication, and a recent mistake made by BID lead me to believe that he is not using that form of communication in more than one capacity.

Therefore BID is not using wolfchat.

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I did not say to trust me on BID.

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correct, you didnt. i said us having to trust in the reads of a player's link about that player boils down to trust since they die together and we cant evaluate the veracity of their views until after they're dead

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You argued that everyone should reveal so the village has more information. Yet you say that you're not using private chat because you would struggle to use that information.

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i dont see the problem with believing both those.

peole should have all revealed so everybody else making lynches has more information. i dont think private chat provides us as a group with any information for lynch choices. now, IF death links and chat links were not the same, it would be a much different story. as long as hoopy and i die together, you should want to hear zero about hoopy or me from hoopy or me. but if one of us died first, then you should love to hear what the other says about a private chat with the other

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However, if you can corner your partner into a mistake, and then you are convinced that they are a wolf.... that the single most villagery thing that could happen this game.

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do you see what my argument is for why this is not true? it's because we still have to take your word for it. you may personally know that bid is a villager, but nobody else can assess that. this only affects the way you vote but not the way anybody else should vote. that power exists only for the individual, which means that it is not important that others know it

if you think you can read bid better in private chat than game thread, then do it. but the benefit of it stops there.

@wuf: Do you agree that a villager sussing out their partner is a W is super-duper strongly pro-V?

Explain.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I was against the Wuf lynch D1 because he got too many early frivolous votes. I don't see how he got any V-cred since then.

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ofc you dont. you and rilla have the same opinion. his opinion is based on a big pile of nothing. go back and read everything he has said about me. it is a giant pile of non-existence. he said i was a villager then he said i was absent. woopdeefuckindoo. that is the entire extent of his bold for me.

you are no different. you have even bigger a pile of nothing for why you're voting me. it's gonna be hilarious if you're the wolf in the pairing, because it means rilla cleared you (god knows how he apparently did that), and you have just done everything he does

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

@wuf: Do you agree that a villager sussing out their partner is a W is super-duper strongly pro-V?

Explain.

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i think that is pro-v. if you can do it, do it

This game is fun.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

i think that is pro-v. if you can do it, do it

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but you aren't even willing to try?


lynch wuf

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

but you aren't even willing to try?


lynch wuf

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i explained why when i responded to ong. do i need to explain again?


actually how about no. im done with this. people do not read my posts and people understand nothing about my game

lynch wuf

Well...that was weird.

How about:

If you (wuf) are a V, then that vote is exactly like the self-lynch I rightly got so much heat for.

If you're a V, then how about you pull your head out of your ass and consider that since so many people you think are V's are disagreeing with you that you need to bite the bullet and save your "I told you so" for after the game.

If you're a V. Find a way to overcome.

As if you don't know this.

With Ong and MMM quickly dismissing my theory, I felt like a crazy conspiracy theorist. But, I'm pretty sure I'm right about two W/W links. The standard is 25% wolves, no? 2 (wolf links) / 8 (total links) = 25%.

i'm back
i'm gonna hunt me some wolves
i may be some time

but i'm gonna flush 'em out

p.s. before anyone asks, nope, i've got no read on bigred from our out-of-thread dalliance

start at the very beginning, a very good place to start
when you read you begin with "a b c"
when you hunt you begin with fuck it Lynch Luco

So by "hunt", you mean randomly point your finger, and by "some time" you mean "one minute".

Baud rilla - Baud is still wolfy but super active. Rilla is still a villager and punching way above his wolf weight.

Ong rascal - Ong is a villager. I still think rascal flips wolf here a bunch.

Luco keybored - Team awesome. Keybored is a villager, but that doesn't matter.

Daven bigred - Hello? Hey guys?

Boog monstr - I like monstr for V and although I have boog leaning wolf I'm inclined to trust ong's analysis of D1. Hey boog, there's a book on amazon.com called werewolf for dummies that you should check out. It may be a bit above you, but all copies of werewolf for retards was sold out sorry

Bid mojo - Even after trying to do open minded readthroughs these two come out solid villager

Wuf hoopy - wuf is probably a villager. The whole case against him feels like smoke and mirrors. Hoopy I could go either way on right now.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

So by "hunt", you mean randomly point your finger, and by "some time" you mean "one minute".

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lol nh sir
i had to do something while the coffee brewed. I am on page one.
in the meantime, here's a stoner song for ya. Brew yourself some tea, whack on a soundtrack, and come hunt wolves with me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjobdArtiA

lynch daven

for Julie Andrews.

rescind

Yeah now is not the time for pissing about with my vote.

daven is dodgy, there's a very good chance that a wolf jumped on the gabe train after I rallied for votes. It's possible they think I'm giving them cover. daven and wuf are the two wagonners, mojo was really too blatant for a wolf, especially since I don't expect him to be particularly deceptive.

I'm down with daven, wuf and baudib as my prime choices. baudib is my strongest read, the other two are mainly based on the idea that surely one of them is a wolf who sheeped me hoping I'd take the rap for gabe/rong.

lynch baudib

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

A villager dying with a wolf is not a bonus for them. It's their nom. Wolves might be bussing, but are wolves gonna bus boog when gabe/rong are dangling as mislynch? No they are fucking not.

There is nothing on boog except lots of people going "he's wolfy"... exactly the same as every game ever. The only game boog ever made it to endgame that I can remember was whe he was actually a wolf... he's a MUCH better wolf than you people seem to think.

There's is a reason for boog to be a villager, and an even bigger reason for his buddy to be. They are an awful lynch today, and baudib pushing for it is a wolf desperately trying ot keep mislynches open, because there aren't actually that many, are there.

I think boog's proposal is wrong, I expect the wolves to be paired with villagers.

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Nope, your characterization is the nut opposite of what I'm doing. i've been trying to clear villagers and dodge mislynches all game.

I'm not pushing for the Boog lynch; despite having him as the No. 1 wolf candidate in the game I've been arguing that Wuf-Hoopy is a far superior lynch. I've done this numerous times. For you to pretend I'm pushing something else is ridiculous. Almost as ridiculous as you clearing Boog based on wagonomics that make no sense and/or didn't actually happen.

@ ong, start on page 1 again. fascinating stuff there. I won't be quoting as much on subsequent 100 post batches, but this is my summary on the first 100 posts...

wuf wagon launches right at the start then stalls with mmm/bid/me/key on it. My vote for wuf at this point was simply cos 'wuf wagon hell yeah'

post 15 = gabe's lynch ong for spew post – we should all be reading gabe's posts again with the knowledge that he's a villager. I always argue for doing this and everyone always says that the reads no longer hold cos of water under bridge. The water under bridge argument is stupid, obviously some reads will still apply.


Then you pushed a legit read on gabe = wolf (post 22 wrong, but whatever)

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Wait, you know I'm a villager. There's no waiting to see what I do, there's no thinking that if I'm a wolf then I'm a liability to them, you're just picking off an easy target based on shit logic. Except you already slipped by showing that you know I'm a villager.

Oops. Your turn to spew?

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, watch how quickly baudib jumps on it (post 25)

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Originally Posted by baudib

Think the only post of substance so far has been Ong's, that may have been a legit slip from Gabe.

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then in post 28 claiming genuine alignment reads on 6 players wtf?! then again, he did seem to laugh at himself for it

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Originally Posted by baudib

I think I have 4 villagers so far. I have 2 other wolf candidates, and as much fun as it would be to lynch Wuf Day 1, I can't help to think at least 1 wolf jumped all over him.

yeah it's early

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post 39 from rilla on game mechanics and player numbers is genuinely valuable to the village - would wolf rilla post that? dunno

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

No specials means only tone reads as wagons won't be particularly telling.

I'm betting the wolves aren't pair-bonded together even though that'd be the best of all scenarios.

OP lists 16 people, but has 14 villagers and 4 wolves (for 18), assuming a typo that's 8 pairs.

All wolves with another villager, 4 v-v pairs, 4 w-v pairs. Even though you know your own role, you don't know the value of your life with 100% confidence. Given nothing but tone reads to go off of, villagers are at worst .5 villagers, and at best .9 villagers as they can never really know for sure what their partner's role is.

Hopefully there's one complete w-w pair, so we can stumble into something as a village, otherwise it's a complete guess-fest brought to you by strained tone reads and wacky slip-analysis.

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drew suggested full reveals

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Everyone should state their character name from the TV show theme. As well as who their lover is.

It's within the rules and will also provide information.

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and then rilla pushed the same agenda but with reasoning added (while i disagree with the reasoning, i don't think that a players position pro- or anti- reveal is telling at all. It's highly likely that there are both villagers and wolves on both side of the argument).

then rilla/baudib and bid/mmm were both outed against ong and luco's wishes and baudib's 'might be against the rules' bullshit claim (bullshit cos jkds had already posted about it earlier in post 16

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Originally Posted by JKDS

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plus it's unlikely that with rilla and baudib both thread active that rilla outed the partnership without discussing it prior with baudib in private).

post 57 basically 'rilla linking baudib and luco for their position on partner outing

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

If baudib turns out to be a wolf, I'm calling luco as a wolf.

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meh, then the thread deteriorates into worthless game mechanics drivel it seems.

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

i think that is pro-v. if you can do it, do it

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so why are you refusing to even try?

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Originally Posted by daven

@ ong, start on page 1 again. fascinating stuff there. I won't be quoting as much on subsequent 100 post batches, but this is my summary on the first 100 posts...

wuf wagon launches right at the start then stalls with mmm/bid/me/key on it. My vote for wuf at this point was simply cos 'wuf wagon hell yeah'

post 15 = gabe's lynch ong for spew post – we should all be reading gabe's posts again with the knowledge that he's a villager. I always argue for doing this and everyone always says that the reads no longer hold cos of water under bridge. The water under bridge argument is stupid, obviously some reads will still apply.


Then you pushed a legit read on gabe = wolf (post 22 wrong, but whatever)


, watch how quickly baudib jumps on it (post 25)


then in post 28 claiming genuine alignment reads on 6 players wtf?! then again, he did seem to laugh at himself for it


post 39 from rilla on game mechanics and player numbers is genuinely valuable to the village - would wolf rilla post that? dunno


drew suggested full reveals

and then rilla pushed the same agenda but with reasoning added (while i disagree with the reasoning, i don't think that a players position pro- or anti- reveal is telling at all. It's highly likely that there are both villagers and wolves on both side of the argument).

then rilla/baudib and bid/mmm were both outed against ong and luco's wishes and baudib's 'might be against the rules' bullshit claim (bullshit cos jkds had already posted about it earlier in post 16


plus it's unlikely that with rilla and baudib both thread active that rilla outed the partnership without discussing it prior with baudib in private).

post 57 basically 'rilla linking baudib and luco for their position on partner outing


meh, then the thread deteriorates into worthless game mechanics drivel it seems.

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FWIW Rilla did not discuss anything with me about the reveal and I think this is the time I was going to the hospital (not sure though).

I still haven't really read the stuff that I missed tbh.

Worth noting with that post that I Daven is probably no greater than ~rand to be a wolf, and he's probably only a wolf if Wuf is a villager (ha).

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Originally Posted by baudib

Worth noting with that post that I Daven is probably no greater than ~rand to be a wolf, and he's probably only a wolf if Wuf is a villager (ha).

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I think*

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Originally Posted by baudib

FWIW Rilla did not discuss anything with me about the reveal and I think this is the time I was going to the hospital (not sure though).

I still haven't really read the stuff that I missed tbh.

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bold added. No idea re hospital (maybe it's in thread and i missed it?), hope all is ok.
re the bold, it's really wolf of you not to have read the thread. I mean, you can still be a villager obviously, but for the most active poster to not take the time to read through a few posts to check he hasn't missed something really important seems a little unusual...

anyway, i'm into page 2 now. Of 13. fml. Thank god loads are mechanics posts that are going to be pretty worthless for building reads other than tone

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Vote Count!
(4, Leads) Wufwugy: Baudib, Monstrman, MadMojomonkey, wufwugy
(4) Bigred: Keybored, Luco, a500lbgorilla, Hoopy
(2) Baudib: Boog, Ongbonga
(1) Ongbonga: Rascal
(1) Boog: Bankitdrew
(1) Luco: Daven

Not Voting: Sometimes, I think I'd like to adopt a little baby. [Pause] So I could abandon it at a mall. I'm sorry, what was the question?

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

I'm fairly confident that BID is V.

I am worried about breaking the rules to state why... here goes.

Our choice of communication, and a recent mistake made by BID lead me to believe that he is not using that form of communication in more than one capacity.

Therefore BID is not using wolfchat.

I hesitate to state other factors, such as timing that lead me to believe this read is solid.

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mmm with a very confident bid=villager read. Obviously details are locked but, I dunno, bid is playing a solid game this time around. By overall player standards, not just his standards. I'm not sure what to make of it really cos it seems so out of character :heart:. Solid enough to pull off a ploy strong enough to fool mmm? Maybe, but i believe unlikely. This post from mmm is almost enough for me to give bid lock-villager status, but it doesn't do anything to cement a read on mmm. MMM = wolf would know bid's role and want reasons to not lynch bid/mmm, mmm = villager would be genuine in the read.

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Originally Posted by daven

This post from mmm is almost enough for me to give bid lock-villager status, .

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cancel that. The timing thing mmm is referring to has to relate to bid's partner outing, apparently without permission. Would bid really do that? probably, yep. Do we all know that? yep
this whole back and forth is also consistent with bid/mmm = w/w
this game is complex.

We need to all quit WW if BID is a wolf this game.

Daven, catch up.

this is thin, but based on the feel of the interchange below i think that the wolf team contains at most only one of ong/mmm.

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Votes for baudib are votes for rilla.

And are extremely wolfy.

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Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

This is wrong thinking. If baud is a wolf, we have to kill rilla by collateral damage.

It's gonna be that way.

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Originally Posted by baudib

We need to all quit WW if BID is a wolf this game.

Daven, catch up.

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wtf, i'm catching up by reading the thread
this seems ridiculously hollow from the player who has admitted to not catching up on the thread himself.
What are you scared i'm going to find in my re-read? i mean, seriously, my most likely scenario based on the bid/mmm interplay is bid = villager, mmm = unknown, but i don't want to 100% discount both being wolves until i have good reason to. I'm reading the thread thoroughly now. If there's reason to give bid lock villa then i'll find it. I won't be basing it on your say-so though. Sorry 'bout that.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I still haven't really read the stuff that I missed tbh.

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somehow didn't post this, it was open in another tab

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Originally Posted by gabe

the reasons for me being a wolf are bogus. no way i would slip after spending so much time practicing last game

rescind and lynch boog


he asked a question and said "it seems...". both things i noticed myself doing last game as a wolf and tried to stop doing.

thats good enough for me

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gabe argument that seems really weak, but he's dead so at least we know the read is genuine.

and page 2 continues...

big mechanics de-rail on 3vs1 with one wolf remaining. Seems redundant right now, kudos to ong for trying to shut it down

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Originally Posted by OngBonga

Well whatever, that's for later. But if everyone is flat out unwilling to vote for their buddy, then a 3 vs 1 endgame is de facto win for the wolves. Which could easily be why you're against the idea of buddies voting for one another.

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weird out of nowhere lynch from wuf

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

lynch monstr

just 1 post in the first 24 hours of this game, but 12 posts in the first 24 hours of last game

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

We are voting pairs of players.

I nominate that we bold the pair and not just 1/2.

This will help bring clarity to the village in that we won't need to try and figure out who else may die.

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I agree with this post from bid, now that all pairs are outed there is everything to gain from lynch voting for the pair.

@ JKDS - you ok with this?

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Originally Posted by wufwugy

i think you wouldnt have decided to play again if you knew you were going to mope as a wolf again

i also dont think you're "really trying". i think you're doing little. so your point is moo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkJ4BUChxI

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That's the best part. Check out the sign up thread where I said I was IN.

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Originally Posted by daven

wtf, i'm catching up by reading the thread
this seems ridiculously hollow from the player who has admitted to not catching up on the thread himself.
What are you scared i'm going to find in my re-read? i mean, seriously, my most likely scenario based on the bid/mmm interplay is bid = villager, mmm = unknown, but i don't want to 100% discount both being wolves until i have good reason to. I'm reading the thread thoroughly now. If there's reason to give bid lock villa then i'll find it. I won't be basing it on your say-so though. Sorry 'bout that.

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and you calling me out is equally hollow coming from the bottom poster who is 2 days behind. i've read everyone in ISO so I'm sure I've read everything but haven't read the thread as it played out.

you need to catch up because several people want to lynch you and you need to help.

Reading everyone in ISO is a massive ballache on this forum. That's a flat out lie.

Just kill baudib quickly, put him out of his misery, this is painful.

It's not like you missed a ton because honestly, no one is really doing anything. But interacting in real time is infinitely more valuable than reading ancient history, Daven.

talking about BID's status when absolutely no one has even hinted they want to lynch him is a waste of time, of which you seem to have little.

on re-read i'm still convinced by my case on wuf = post 201 http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...18#post2226118. Seems there was value in reading the mechanics blah first time around after all....

right now the players that seem most wolf on the re-read are wuf/baudib/ong with mmm a dark horse maybe

Daven:

-- your thoughts on Ong/Rascal accusing each other of being a wolf
-- Boog-Gabe wagons
-- your partner

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Originally Posted by Luco

Baud rilla - Baud is still wolfy but super active. Rilla is still a villager and punching way above his wolf weight.

Ong rascal - Ong is a villager. I still think rascal flips wolf here a bunch.

Luco keybored - Team awesome. Keybored is a villager, but that doesn't matter.

Daven bigred - Hello? Hey guys?

Boog monstr - I like monstr for V and although I have boog leaning wolf I'm inclined to trust ong's analysis of D1. Hey boog, there's a book on amazon.com called werewolf for dummies that you should check out. It may be a bit above you, but all copies of werewolf for retards was sold out sorry

Bid mojo - Even after trying to do open minded readthroughs these two come out solid villager

Wuf hoopy - wuf is probably a villager. The whole case against him feels like smoke and mirrors. Hoopy I could go either way on right now.

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This guy.

Wufs not a villager here, though.

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Originally Posted by baudib

It's not like you missed a ton because honestly, no one is really doing anything. But interacting in real time is infinitely more valuable than reading ancient history, Daven.

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i'm doing both. How do you know you didn't miss some gold if you didn't even read it?

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Originally Posted by baudib

talking about BID's status when absolutely no one has even hinted they want to lynch him is a waste of time, of which you seem to have little.

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i'm talking about bid likely villager, that's fine.
In the same breath i'm suggesting that discounting mmm as a wolf based on bid = likely villager is a mistake i don't want people to make. Why are you so upset by me pointing this out?!?

re the snide snipe about me seeming to have little time. I don't play werewolf from a phone. I play from a computer. I'm often not at my computer. And that's how i want my life to stay.

no one cares how you play WW, Daven, just that you actually play. You are challenging BigRed for the BigRed award, FFS.

MMM has ascended into the Ong-BID-MMM ring of villagers. These are can't miss villas, friends.

Ong has been villagery at times but he's being too stubborn and close-minded for normal villager Ong.

I'm certainly giving Rascal's opinion quite a bit of weight. Wolf Rascal probably never comes out with some story of him setting a trap for Ong that can easily be dismissed or proven false.

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Originally Posted by baudib

-- your thoughts on Ong/Rascal accusing each other of being a wolf
-- Boog-Gabe wagons
-- your partner

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re ong-rascal accusing each other of being a wolf. That's interesting. Again, i'll cross that bridge when i get to it, and i'll be informed by game context up until that point cos that's relevant.

re the wagons - i'll be there soon and will post on it when i get there. I'll be reading over what at the time seemed interesting dynamics that went down with your wagon and wuf's wagon first though - why do you have a problem with that being reviewed?

partner - see my first post of this pile of posts for my private-chat views on bigred = null view

it really seems as though you don't like early game being looked at. I can see why too - the first couple of hundred posts look bad for you and you're probably hoping everyone has forgotten about that. I'm hoping people bother to read my wall of posts above - are you reading my posts and taking the time to pause and think on any of the points i'm making? it seems like you're not, and that you're instead in a blinkered state. Wolves get in that state because they've got perfect information and find it hard to pretend they don't. I have to figure things out as i go, that's the up- and down-side of being a villager.

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Originally Posted by baudib

Ong has been villagery at times but he's being too stubborn and close-minded for normal villager Ong.

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I haven't laughed this loudly in a while.

but yeah Rilla-BID-MMM are always villagers.

Daven is a villager more often than Ong here, BTW.

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Originally Posted by baudib

no one cares how you play WW, Daven, just that you actually play. You are challenging BigRed for the BigRed award, FFS.

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really? i didn't post heaps day 1, but it was all solid content.
i missed what, a few hours on day 2? and now i'm catching up and hunting as i go. What the fuck is your problem?

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Originally Posted by daven

re ong-rascal accusing each other of being a wolf. That's interesting. Again, i'll cross that bridge when i get to it, and i'll be informed by game context up until that point cos that's relevant.

re the wagons - i'll be there soon and will post on it when i get there. I'll be reading over what at the time seemed interesting dynamics that went down with your wagon and wuf's wagon first though - why do you have a problem with that being reviewed?

partner - see my first post of this pile of posts for my private-chat views on bigred = null view

it really seems as though you don't like early game being looked at. I can see why too - the first couple of hundred posts look bad for you and you're probably hoping everyone has forgotten about that. I'm hoping people bother to read my wall of posts above - are you reading my posts and taking the time to pause and think on any of the points i'm making? it seems like you're not, and that you're instead in a blinkered state. Wolves get in that state because they've got perfect information and find it hard to pretend they don't. I have to figure things out as i go, that's the up- and down-side of being a villager.

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I officially invite every single player to reread as much of the early game as they need to be to feel fully informed. I don't give a frak what anyone finds about me.

What I really care about, Daven, is you weighing in on relevant matters and getting yourself off the chopping block. I've been your only defender for quite a while and I'm getting tired of it.

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Originally Posted by daven

really? i didn't post heaps day 1, but it was all solid content.
i missed what, a few hours on day 2? and now i'm catching up and hunting as i go. What the fuck is your problem?

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my problem is people want to lynch you and you're essentially inactive and probably a villager.

I'm struggling with finding things to add that will help the village and it's not because I'm a wolf, so stfu. I just really appreciate players who post quality>quantity. The best thing I can do is give an updated feel on players:

Wagons:

wuf - I am still convinced he is a V > rando %.
big - I don't understand the wagon. Is it because he's playing like standard br? Not playing? I don't hate the reason because I'm getting annoyed with it. I may very well vote for br based solely on my wuf read + br is useless.
baud - I'm beginning to tone read him as a wolf. I'm not going to offer this tell to the public in case I'm right.
ong - I've still got him in my V category but it's slowly changing because I strongly disagree with what he believes wuf's thought process is.
boog - I'm swaying from W to V. Slowly. I also hate being the only vote on him.

rescind boog
lynch bigred

also, wtf wuf. Self lynch because you're butthurt? I'm so sick of players self-lynching because they feel like no one is listening to them.

Daven is very V
Baudib I am wanting to lynch more and more.

BID, why in god's name are you being swayed by Wuf?

or Boog for that matter?

oh yeah, when everyone else wants to lynch Daven or BigRed and I'm the lone guy screaming that Daven's (few) posts are villagers, that's what I do as a wolf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I also had a dizzy/vertigo spell at work and spent 6 hours in the hospital yesterday.

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hope all is recovered now.

read my posts and you've caught up on what you missed, most of the rest is game mechanics stuff that i think is mostly non-role indicative.

I invite everyone to isolate the posts every player in the game. Don't even read the posts, just start isolating and see how quickly you get bored.

Rescind bigred

i forgot br is daven's 'lover'

please let's start bolding pairs and not individuals. This is silly

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Rescind bigred

i forgot br is daven's 'lover'

please let's start bolding pairs and not individuals. This is silly

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I wouldn't recommend this because JKDS hasn't said we could do this. For all we know it could invalidate the vote totally.

there are only 14 people in the game, try to keep track.

I haven't been this confident that baudib is a wolf since the last time baudib was a wolf.

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Originally Posted by baudib

BID, why in god's name are you being swayed by Wuf?

or Boog for that matter?

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I've never seen wuf so emotionally invested before.

Boog - no one seems to agree with me, so i'm probably wrong.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I don't understand the wagon. Is it because he's playing like standard br? Not playing? I don't hate the reason because I'm getting annoyed with it. I may very well vote for br based solely on my wuf read + br is useless.

rescind boog
lynch bigred

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Daven is very V

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just checking in to remind you that bigred and i are partners. I have no read to offer on him though, sorry. One crumb from chat makes me think he's like 5% > random to be a wolf. But meh, it's obviously super-thin and i'd have to be pretty confident he was wolf to lynch him = self lynch

Daven, you might also want to prod BR into participating more, especially if he's a villager. It's unlucky for you to get that task but WW is 99.4% variance anyway.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Rescind bigred

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Bold it.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I've never seen wuf so emotionally invested before.

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I've never seen wuf less intellectually invested.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I've never seen wuf so emotionally invested before.

Boog - no one seems to agree with me, so i'm probably wrong.

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and you've never seen Wuf wolf before, so when he does something totally out of character, this makes you think he's a plain ol' normal villager Wuf?

ok

He's got his game structure arguments, sure, but outside of that I bet I could scrounge up 3 times he's said something to the affect of "but I don't want to get into that".

This is wuf. If he knows he's right, he's gonna share.

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Originally Posted by baudib

there are only 14 people in the game, try to keep track.

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Originally Posted by baudib

I still haven't really read the stuff that I missed tbh.

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You try to keep track.

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Originally Posted by baudib

oh yeah, when everyone else wants to lynch Daven or BigRed and I'm the lone guy screaming that Daven's (few) posts are villagers, that's what I do as a wolf.

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i've got enough respect for your wolf game to read this as role neutral. We seem not to be getting many mid-day majority lynches of late, i can't imagine that i would have got lynched without someone chiming in to point out i should get the chance to post. Especially cos i'd said in sign-up i'd be climbing mountains. I'm not climbing mountains cos the guy i was going with broke his toe. I've been doing life stuff though. e.g. taking honey from my garden slaves, here's a tasty pic. I've got another ten litres sitting in a bucket ready to jar up, plus five litres of cappings honey to extract, plus i'm pulling honey off some other hives at another apiary site this afternoon for extraction next weekend. Yesterday i dropped honey to all my neighbours plus a few other people. Turns out that people love being given honey:
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rescind bigred

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

That's the best part. Check out the sign up thread where I said I was IN.

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PS I didn't. I shitposted when he opened the thread and JKDS brought me in anyway.

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Originally Posted by baudib

and you've never seen Wuf wolf before, so when he does something totally out of character, this makes you think he's a plain ol' normal villager Wuf?

ok

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I agree. I'd need a solid baseline to determine what wuf would be like as a wolf and as a villager.

The only reason I see for him self-lynching though is:

As a villager, he's butthurt.
As a wolf, he's attempting to provide V-cred to a br - daven w-v pair. Or super cover for a br-daven w-w pair.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I agree. I'd need a solid baseline to determine what wuf would be like as a wolf and as a villager.

The only reason I see for him self-lynching though is:

As a villager, he's butthurt.
As a wolf, he's attempting to provide V-cred to a br - daven w-v pair. Or super cover for a br-daven w-w pair.

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Or, do it to see if the village will trip over itself trying to figure out why.

Remember, the village tends to trip over itself. Even when it has specials.

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Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Or, do it to see if the village will trip over itself trying to figure out why.

Remember, the village tends to trip over itself. Even when it has specials.

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Agreed.

So am I stupid but self-aware? Or are people allergic to admitting when they're wrong?

BigRed would be more interested as a wolf. Daven's ratio of villageryness per post might be the highest in the game.

Daven or BR is a terrible lynch.

I feel like baudib and rilla are successfully railroading me.

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Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I feel like baudib and rilla are successfully railroading me.

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Shhhh just bite down on this pillow.

BID - villager
Rilla - villager
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Daven -- really likely villager. I would love to see more volume from him though, unlike BID/Rilla, he can be a really good/deceptive wolf
Monstr -- likely villager, but his inactivity is somewhat concerning, considering it's him
MMM -- his arguments are pretty pro-villa
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Ong -- feels like a villager. Maybe I'm giving him too much credit but I feel his game has been too..nitty...for my liking. arguing about things that don't matter and pretending that small indicators are unalienable truths is really worrisome, plus...

Rascal -- Has been arguably wolfy but I just find it hard to believe he takes this line as a wolf.

I'm not really interested in killing off this pair today, granted there will be a wolf here a pretty high% of the time.
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Keybored -- I've forgotten any of the reasons people thought Keybored was a villager. Keybored seems to be more coherent as a wolf.
BigRed -- confirmed BR
Luco -- Luco has several very good posts. But I feel like he's the guy who's content watching the world burn. I think villager Luco plays a bigger leadership role here.
Hoopy -- some villa points for not clearing his partner. His participation and attempts at discerning alignments has been SEVERELY lacking

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Wuf
Boog

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Keybored -- I've forgotten any of the reasons people thought Keybored was a villager. Keybored seems to be more coherent as a wolf.

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Says the guy who ISO'd everyone.

We still got >24hrs to eod right?

interesting wagon play from 398 through until the lynch. i've got a wall to post... i'll post it in a couple of sections based on separate wagon times

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Originally Posted by baudib

Are all of you incapable of reading? I'm not blaming anyone.

If Gabe flips V then have at me, I'm owning it.

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lol :h:

here's the lead-in to the wuf vs boog (most of those wuf votes were early day)

post 398 vote count unofficial w

wuf(5) - boog, daven, key, MMM, ong
boog(2) - gabe, rilla
baud(1) - monstr
daven(1) - Luco
gabe(1) - baud
MMM(1) - wuf
ong(1) - rong

no vote(4) - BID, bigred, hoopy, rascal


bid jumps on boog based on wuf not a wolf, boog next highest wagon (402)
wuf 5, boog 3, baud 1


baudib on boog, sponging bid (413)
wuf 5, boog 4, gabe 0, baud 1


hoopy on boog, based on can't self lynch (423)
wuf 5, boog 5, baud 1


rong on boog, based on 'I'm not over the moon with his lynch but not overly against it either and I think it's better than wuf. '
wuf 5, boog 6, baud 1


baudib 439 – bad wagons, moves to keybored without reasoning other than post 436 'I think we need a different counter wagon to Boog. I'm pretty sure Wuf is a horrible lynch today. '
wuf 5, boog 5, baud 1


ong 444 – moves off wuf and onto boog 'This is kinda painful because I think he's a solid player and gets way too much heat in early game when he shouldn't. That said... His aggression feels forced to me.
Wuf 4, boog 6, baud 1


keybored 447 – lynch bigred interesting link to wuf here, wuf on the block and keybored moves his vote without explaining why he thinks wuf is a bad lynch 'With your whopping 5 posts this game I suppose you're out saving the world. Strong V cred if that's the case. Smack talk for high content coming from no-content person is redonk.'
wuf 3, boog 6, baud 1


ong 461/462 rescind boog, lynch gabe 'I agree with boog. I like the tone of his defence there, furthermore I feel gabe was sketchy in his vote for boog, and certainly am still reading gabe as wolfy. '
wuf 3, boog 5 gabe 1, baud 1

the rise and fall of the temporary baudib wagon - interesting to note that people wanted him dead but decided rilla's survival was more important
keybored gets a lot of village points for his correct and useful vote-count updates\


mmm – 465 rescind wuf, lynch baudib
wuf 2, boog 5, baudib 2


boog – 468 off wuf and onto baudib ' I want to make it clear that my intentions here are rilla. '
wuf 1, boog 5, baudib 3


baudib off keybored, onto gabe


wuf 1, boog 5, baudib 3, gabe 2


rong off boog, onto luco
wuf 1, boog 4, baudib 3, gabe 2


keybored off bigred, onto wuf
wuf 2, boog 4, baudib 3, gabe 2


boog off baudib, onto gabe (based on the claimed pov slip 'knowing' ong = villager
wuf 2, boog 4, baudib 2, gabe 3


512 rilla lynch gabe (off boog)
wuf 2, boog 3, baudib 2, gabe 4


517 rong off luco, onto baudib
wuf 2, boog 3, baudib 3, gabe 4


535 gabe rescinds boog, lynches baudib with a long post to explain
wuf 2, boog 2, baudib 4, gabe 4


post 554 from keybored – this votecount update is super valuable for the village at this stage in the wagon, village points for key


**UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT**

GABE (4) -- Ong, Baudib, Boog, Rilla
BAUD (4) -- Monstr, MMM, Rong, Gabe
WUF (2) -- Daven, Keybored
BOOG (2) -- BID, Hoopy
MMM -- Wuf
Daven -- Luco

Never voted: BigRed & LilRascal

Known Pairings:

BAUDIB-RILLA
BID-MMM
WUF-HOOPY
BOOG-MONSTR




post 566 hoopy rescind boog
gabe 4, baud 4, wuf 2, boog 1, mmm 1, daven 1




gabe 578 rescind baud (to save rilla but still wants baudi deaded), lynch boog
gabe 4, baud 3, wuf 2, boog 2, mmm 1, daven 1


631 rong off baud, on boog
gabe 4, baud 2, wuf 2, boog 3, mmm 1, daven 1

boog vs gabe with the eventual gabe lynch
note that wuf posted a vote count at 684 that was incorrect...


637 luco off me and onto wuf
gabe 4, baud 2, wuf 3, boog 3, mmm 1


638 rilla off gabe, onto wuf
gabe 3, baud 2, wuf 4, boog 3, mmm 1


644 hoopy back on boog
gabe 3, baud 2, wuf 4, boog 4, mmm 1


646 rilla off wuf, onbo boog
gabe 3, baud 2, wuf 3, boog 5, mmm 1


keybored again with the vc post 654
Since Rascal and Daven just showed up, here's an unofficial VC to help them end d1:

BOOG (5) = BID, Gabe, Rong, Hoopy, Rilla
GABE (3) = Ong, Baudib, Boog
WUF (3) = Daven, Keybored, Luco
BAUD (2) = Monstr, MMM
MMM = Wuf

No votes: BigRed, LilRascal

Known Outed Pairs:

BAUDIB-RILLA
BID-MMM
GABE-RONG
HOOPY-WUF
MONSTR-BOOG


post 660 lilrascal on gabe
boog 5, gabe 4, wuf 3, baud 2, mmm 1


mmm off baud on boog
boog 6, gabe 4, wuf 2, baud 1, mmm 1


post 734 wuf off mmm, on gabe
boog 6, gabe 5, wuf 2, baud 1


post 736 me off wuf, lynch gabe (based on boog/gabe both villa, rong more likely wolf than monstr )
boog 6, gabe 6, wuf 1, baud 1


looks like boog was the lynch (first to reach 6) until mmm switched and this could prove to be important info


post 752 rescind boog lynch gabe
boog 5, gabe 7, wuf 1, baud 1

oh yeah, afaict Wuf never had any interest in the Boog wagon.

lynch in this order

Wuf, Boog, Keybored, Ong (Rascal), Luco

village wins/rerand

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We still got >24hrs to eod right?

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hope so, i need to take a break to absorb what happened in those day 1 wagons.
First though, i'm going to quote gabe's dying words, post 600 onwards:

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baudib, boog, wuf are my 3 targets


tomorrow the game is going to be a real puzzle. there will be a best answer on what to do based on killing different pairs. tomorrow together we will come up with the best strategy, and anyone who disputes it will be shown as non village. there will be no escaping for wolves, they will have to follow the solution, or die even faster. i hope to be around tomorrow

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Originally Posted by gabe

ya if we're not wolves then the wolves sure are voting for us !

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no MMM, you are not off. it's completely right. just like IRL when people sing the lyrics so songs, those are the lyrics the person relates to. often time different people are selective of different lyrics of the same song. people dont sing lyrics of things that they dont also think about (in some way). i stacked a guy once using that read but thats a story for a different forum

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obviously we cant set the precedent "post song lyrics and be cleared" but it applies in this case

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youre wrong dudes

i just played the longest, sharpest wolf game of my life. i would not let some dumb wolf slip happen on day 1 post 1 like you guys are speculating.

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whoever used these weak arguments to persuade others against me is probably a wolf

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we shouldve killed baudib or wuf today btw

rilla whats wrong with my EW equation? it is appropriate from my perspective

based on EW, rilla/baudib were a good shot. and an even better shot if rilla might be pulling a big move here

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well that was a lot of waiting for nothing. GJGE Daven

I love the patronizing GJGE kid

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Originally Posted by baudib

lynch in this order. Wuf, Boog, Keybored, Ong (Rascal), Luco. village wins/rerand

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I'm 80% drunk but even through beer goggles this seems 100% bassackwards. If we proceed on this path the game is def over. But not in favor of the village. Jeez, Baud, this roadmap for what NOT to do is redonk. You're a much better wolf than this. What happened??

Oh yah...WTF is GJGE????

Daven...Your chained to a lead ball of a partner. Can you give us any insight on this dude? Or is he ignoring you too? Sorry, chap, but if he's OFO, then them's the brakes. Give us the scoop so we can judge. We gotta cut bait if there's no bite.

Good job good effort

Yay another drunk

I'm fairly convinced baud is a baddy here.

I'm seeing aggression, opportunism, double-talk reads... all tone stuff, but I think it's enough to vote.

lynch baudib

Hey lover ;)

lynch baudib