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What would be the best type of cheese to use? I will be going out later to pick up a couple of things, so I'll probably drop by Whole Foods or Fresh Market, because the other grocery stores I can't fucking find ricotta in, and from all the recipes I've looked at, all of them call for ricotta.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
Btw, thank you. I was actually hoping you'd reply, 'cause you know your shit when it comes to making foods.
rosetti cheese
Ricotta is traditionally what's used. They'll have some for sure at whole foods. For stuffing, you don't want ricotta salata, it is a hard and drier-- good for salads.
Also, fresh goat cheese is great for pasta filling. You can mix it with the ricotta if you want. Buffalo ricotta is great too.
The technicality is that it was a tax when it is not a tax. Chief Roberts alongwith the four dissenters all agreed that the federal government does not have the power under the Commerce Clause to force you to buy something they think you should have simply because you are alive. However Roberts then aligned himself with the four liberal justices in upholding the law saying that it was legal under Congress' powers of taxation even though the President and Congress never called it a tax.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
It operates as a tax exactly the same was as all other taxes operate. Stop listening to idiotsQuote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
And there is no forcing anybody to buy insurance. If people don't have insurance, they get taxed. Just like if people make an income of such n such, they get taxed
The Constitution is full nuances that mean all sorts of things. You'd do better to learn something about its history and application than to know nothing and claim foul
Yeh, I was able to find it, as well as some asiago. Pretty sure it's the soft ricotta cause it's in a little tub thing, and the tub is a little bit squishy. I also looked at their sake, which I will most defiantly be trying some of.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
I was looking at their bakery stuff, and I'd previously wanted to try to make some macaroons, and now my want to make them have increased. I've made eclairs before with custard filling, that shit was delish.
i really really like the new avicii album.
dear boy and dancing in my head and just delightful tunes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMScU2bRORE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktP--p6T-3c
So, do you believe healthcare should be free?Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Hospitals are required to give everyone stabilizing emergency room treatment. After that no one has to give you treatment if you can't pay. And people are routinely denied treatment they can't afford.Quote:
Originally Posted by supa
What's more ER treatment is not free, and if you're uninsured it is very expensive, at least $1000, and usually many times more expensive than what insured people pay. Of course you could default on your bill, but you don't have to be poor or uninsured to default on uncovered medical expenses.
If you're saying that people need to pay for something they already get, especially to avoid excessive rates for the 'good' people who are insured, that's not the issue. Poor people get significantly less health care than the insured and it is not free.
The fat in the system is with the lawyers and insurance companies. Want to bring down rates? Look at tort reform and ways to increase competition. Getting the federal govt involved is the least efficient way of addressing these problems.
But what I truly hate about Obamacare is that it creates a whole new class of criminals out of people who have done nothing at all. It criminalizes poverty. There are going to be many people who do not get covered no matter what the rates, because they cannot afford it or because they can't deal with the paperwork (like the mentally ill). Now they're criminals and that's bullshit.
Hey Canadians how's that free health care service you have over there? Ours is pretty awesome in the UK.
Still awesome! hi5 brits.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImSavy
I'll just leave this here:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148
that's funny, because the people you likely voted for are doing all they can to stop the ACA, including putting severe limits on the outreach groups tasked with helping those who need help with paperwork and explaining things like the fact that there are subsidies for various levels of income, some of them covering 100% of the insurance. These same obstructionist are then filling your head with talking points about how the mentally ill won't know how to sign up. They're fabricating the fear, then fanning the flames once the fire is lit, all the while successfully convincing you that the other guy is the arsonist.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
If you stepped out of your bubble, you wouldn't make it so painfully obvious that you haven't the first clue about the ACA.
And for those of you in Europe who don't understand Obamacare, this is not a taxpayer-funded universal health care system like you have in the UK or Canada. This is a law requiring everyone to buy health insurance. It does a lot of stuff Dems believe will make that insurance more affordable, maybe, maybe not. But that's what it is: a government edict telling you that you must buy something.
I'm not the one in the bubble buddy.Quote:
Originally Posted by boost
America seems like such a selfish country. It must be great if you earn say 200k+ but shite to be less than 80k.
Good job addressing the point I made.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Also, care to explain how every legitimate forecast shows that this will save money.. even more than the original predictions?
What are you so afraid of? It passed congress, was signed into law, then made it through the supreme court. Time to sit back and give it a try. If it's doomed to failure as you seem to think, then stop trying to stop it, let it flop, and the right wins a huge victory without having to lift a finger. Yet here you are, paroting disproven talking points and surely supporting every obstructionist tactic employed by the GOP.
No, it's not what they have up and over there. As you seem to imply, that would have been a better system. However, the GOP fought tooth and nail to stop a single payer system from passing. So we compromised. We compromised. Met in the middle. We settled it. Yet...Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
People are selfish dicks full stop. There's just a complete lack of empathy towards others and everyone is so obsessed with trying to look that little bit better than they actual are to others.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
The fact that they'd rather pay that little bit less tax so they can go on that 5* holiday for a fortnight rather than the 4* is all that's important to them, not the fact that the lack of public funds available can cripple services that allow that person who is house ridden with no family and money to get to go outside once in a blue moon. Who cares, we made sure we had enough money so we could move away to somewhere that isn't visible so we can pretend it doesn't exist.
It's not so bad.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
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Originally Posted by ImSavy
This is wrong. It's not that Americans don't want to care for the poor. We are the most charitable nation in the history of the world. But we want to do it privately and locally through families, churches, and synagogues, not leaving it in the hands of an uncaring inefficient bureaucracy.Quote:
Originally Posted by ImSavy
And we don't like the government telling us what to do. Yes, that is a real concern. It's not the big tit you seem to think it is.
i honestly don't know what life would be like without the NHS. free health care for people who need it seems to me to be an essential human right. if you get injured, you should be looked after. you definitely shouldn't go bankrupt because you got ill. ah well
Not to get off topic because I'm having loads of fun. But the game theory mooc starts today. Anybody else taking this?
Yeah Pascal, I agree. I don't understand how a civilized country can accept that some people don't have access to basic healthcare. I gladly pay the part of ny taxes that goes towards the nhs in spite of it's imperfections.
Question for you yanks, do kids get free healthcare? Or are there lots of poor kids dying because daddy can't afford insurance?
and if there are lots of poor dying kids/adults/the mentally ill is that not proof that your private system of healthcare charity isnt working? or is that ok because at least its more efficient.
Haha yeah definitely a weird clown picture...Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
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Originally Posted by rong
I'm pretty sure sick children are ground up and made into McDonald's hamburger meat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
You're looking at it as a single big issue that can have only one big solution and of course the only actor big enough to 'solve' the problem is the government. So you like putting it in the hands of the government. But that's not how it is at all. It is millions of individual cases with unique characteristics. There is no one size fits all solution except for the lawyers and insurance companies who love the idea of forcing everyone to be their customer. I'm sure that sick kids in America are no worse off than anywhere else but I admit that I am not a sick kid outcome expert.
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Originally Posted by abelardx
That's just silly. Even if it's true, it's no argument. You've implicitly stated that providing healthcare is a charitable act, and that charitable acts are good. You've explicitly stated that America values doing good, charitable things.
Even more striking is your argument that gov't should have no place in healthcare, when Medicare is one of the most beloved programs in US history. It was brought up in the debate surrounding the ACA and it was anathema to both sides to suggest repealing Medicare.
So there's clearly a place for the provision of healthcare in American Gov't, which transcends party lines. It's just a matter of how much gov't involvement is the most efficient amount.
It also depends on your measure of efficiency.
Infant mortality and life expectancy are worse in america than virtually all other developed nations. You have people going bankrupt regularly for unexpected medical bills. I can't imagine how anyone can defend the status quo, it is obviously broken.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
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Originally Posted by rong
Greed is a strong thing in 'murica.
So is McDonalds, and a fuckton of terrible shit that needs to be completely destroyed. So many people have sold their humanity to further themselves, and don't seem to look past OHGAWDMUNEY, they don't see how it will impact fucktons of people.
Healthcare should be free. People that need help should be able to get it. People need to chill the fuck out with so much god damn fucking negative bullshit, and be responsible adults that get shit done.
Knowing there are people out there that are considered an adult, and they're able mind and able bodied, and they can't fucking cook themselves a meal, or don't know how to do laundry, and act like a god damn child - they should be forced to go to a fucking class that lasts over a 6 week period of time, that's paid for by their parents [just that persons' parents], to be taught how to do some simple ass fucking shit you should know how to do anyway. It would make parents start being parents and teaching their kids how to do shit that you fucking need to know how to do, and stop relying on TV to raise their kids. ...
I just ranted. sorry about that.
tl;dr - rawr rawr titties rawr adults not being adults rawr PMS rawr
The ultimate problem is that healthcare is not something that can be handled by market forces or private competitive insurance companies. In order to compete, a company would have to start squeezing out the unhealthy (unprofitable) patients (which is exactly what we have seen in the past).
So if the free market cannot solve this problem in an equitable fashion -- who is left?
This isn't a perfect analogy, but... do you think it would be better to put the military in the hands of private companies instead of the government? Do you think that market competition is a better alternative than letting the government "solve" that problem?
What's the income tax percentages over there? And do you have an equivalent of vat here in the UK? I'd look this up myself but I'm busy.
I really like my new avatar. This could be a keeper.
ive never dealt with a lawyer or an insurance company. i like the way your logic is "lawyers shouldnt be allowed to exploit the system so i would rather people die than let the system be exploited". funQuote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
This is the one argument I find reasonably persuasive. Government is best at some things. Is healthcare one of them? Possibly.Quote:
Originally Posted by NightGizmo
As we learned in game theory today, the one nash equilibrium solution to the prisoner's dilemma is the only non-pareto optimal solution. In other words, consistent rational self-interest will sometimes produce the worst overall outcome, kinduva dilemma of the commons thing.
Nobody's talking about letting people die. That's ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
Do you libtards recognize my avatar?
Love you!
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Originally Posted by Chelle
Don't you fucking take my Mcnuggets from me. Don't you goddamm dare.
To consider someone liberal or conservative based on their stance on a single issue is a misuse of the terms.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
I have liberal views on some issues, and conservative views on other issues. Everyone does. There is no direct link to a liberal or conservative view on one issue to another, unrelated issue.
I'm conservative when it comes to crime and punishment, and military spending. I'm liberal when it comes to healthcare and education. I'm libertarian when it comes to drug and helmet/seatbelt laws.
So there's a whole political spectrum present in a human, and any attempt to reduce one to a single conglomerate viewpoint is a mischaracterization.
P.S. I don't recognize your pic.
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Originally Posted by rong
In America, there is a deep belief in the free market which sometimes pops up as a belief against government. Both marks are easy to understand - there's compelling reason to believe in the value and power of the free market to allocate resources and yield incredible gains in goods and services well above and beyond what anyone could reasonably expect as a need - and there's a compelling narrative which describes the interface between the free market and gov't as a zero sum trade off between antithetical actors. My personal belief is that the gov't is necessary to smooth off the rough edges of the free market and I find this to be a rather popular position held by many. Unfortunately, a freer free market seems to be seductive a thought to just about anyone in America, and I think it has to do with its history or popularly understood history.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
Europe has a rich history of powerful monarchies which have slowly evolved to empower the people. When the central power has always stood and is now bowing to your demands, its easy to see how certain 'basic' or 'administrative' or 'public' services should run by way of that central authority. America enjoys a different mythos - we were the biggest economy in the world pretty quickly. We didn't need a huge central power that had enjoyed centuries of boat-loads of new world preciousies to hold it down, we built it our damnselves.
Economics is important to everyone and at the same time stupendously difficult to understand in the manner people tend to understand things. When it seems the time tested method of being the best damn country (economy) on Earth is having less than little gov't and a freer than free market, it's easy to believe gov't should get out. As Ironman said, "That's how daddy did it. That's how America does it. And it's worked out well so far."
siiiiiiiiiiighhhhhh! fiiiiinnnne i won't. but lately they did some research on 'em, and they found these weird hair things in the meat, but it's not hair. mcdonalds scares me. ;/Quote:
Originally Posted by bikes
SO I've been doing some research into US debt and considering their ability to ever repay it as opposed to it simply being a giant bubble that works until it bursts. It was easy enough to find debt and GDP figures, especially as I just want a broad idea of the figures. I went to look for balance of payments figures and ended up looking at this, which doesn't bode well.
http://i42.tinypic.com/nxjn6c.png
and the world spins madly on
Never thought I'd ever buy a tablet and here I am.
At least it's not an iPad
He was so delighted by it he tried to Google chat with me on it at 6am this morning.
Dude, that's a fuckton of spew for having not answered the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Nothing is free, genius.Quote:
Originally Posted by supa
Except my rapier like wit.
The myths about healthcare you've been told certainly are freeQuote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Tonight I bought hair.
:| whatthefuck.
Going to a model/photographer huge Halloween party where I get a free drink, get to dress up in my fairy costume [that i need to finish], and gonna have some more pics taken I think. But yeah, uh, I bought fucking hair in order to make extensions to have long ass fairy hair.
..i bought hair. what the fuck. just what the serious fuck.
1. There's a hair store? 2. I bet the fairy costume will be awesome.
There are several stores dedicated to wigs and hair extensions and wig accessories and hair extension accessories. I'm hoping the costume will look awesome. I still have to make the wings, the sleeves for the dress, the other fairy shoe, and the fairy ear wraps. So uh, yeah, I have til the 22nd to get it done, the party is on the 23rd, and I have more life shit that I have to do on the 23rd. I've had the shit to do it for over a month now, but I'm dumb and procrastinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
P.S. - I made a costume for my last shoot as well, well, kind of. I was a creepy broken/bloody doll.
When all else fails, simply does as North Carolina does and cut welfare.
http://i.imgur.com/vUcEFpp.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
He probably does think it's free.
Does it not give you pause to think that the side that makes the arguments you make is the side that has created a system that spends far more on healthcare, while covering far fewer people, than any other modern country? IIRC it's 17% GDP vs 12%Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
You'd think those who have been perpetually, adamantly wrong about this issue would sit down and let the adults handle the situation. But no, only cries and screams and demonstrably false accusations
Besides, you should be more infuriated by the conservative side than the liberal side due to conservatives refusing to engage in reform. Conservatism has several really great ideas about healthcare, but they have done everything they can to not implement them. They have done everything they can to kill all reform, and this means that they have deliberately made things worse and they have no leg to stand on when it comes to opining about it. If conservatives truly wanted the healthcare system to be better, they would have joined Obama and the Democrats in reforming the system. They would have done things like make sure there is no employee mandate and that it's paid through taxes instead of premiums. But they refused to engaged, and they are the problem
If you want people to agree with you, you have to agree with what is correct
America is Free.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
http://i.imgur.com/LD7qjRb.jpg
Love it or Leave it, buddy.
Last 3 days. Coffee maker bites the dust. Then the DSL modem/router. And now the bottom of a basket gives out to drop its contents onto my tablet . the heaviest item , a 3.5 inch external hard drive in a solid metal enclosure, makes a direct hit on the glass. Cursed?
So that new tablet you loved?
Still love. :-(
http://i.imgur.com/94ns6cU.giftQuote:
Originally Posted by eugmac
So, healthcare in America.
I get ill and I'm poor with shit/no insurance.
I go to a hospital.
With no insurance, do they treat me?
With shit insurance that won't cover the care I really need. Will I still get it?
Is it the case that I get it and then I'm billed after? Do I need to demonstrate an ability to pay prior to receiving treatment?
if they treat you and bill you. If the bills ate huge and I know it's gonna bust me, do you get lots of post illness pre bankruptcy binges where people just go crazy and blow every asset they have while they are both experiencing a renewed appreciation for life and have their last remaining days of access to their assets?
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Originally Posted by rong
in short, you're fucked. like. 16 inch dick up ass no lube jackhammered fucked.
I was hoping for a little more detail. Not about the cock in my ass, but about how the healthcare thing plays out.
And people who do have insurance have much higher premiums in order to covering the costs of the uninsured, and the uninsured have reduced income expectations (due to things like bankruptcy), which lowers GDP and raises unemploymentQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
Anti-tax, anti-regulation, anti-government sensibilities are not founded in rationality. They're really just carryover from the Southern Oligarchy whose economy and state system was based on aristocracy and slavery, Appalachian settlers-turned-cowboys who believed individualism trumps all, and Great Plains settlers who allowed corporations to run roughshod over them because things like railroads were the only ways to even have an economy in the middle of nowhere
K so if you have an emergency illness and have no insurance or monies the emergency room is required by law to fix you. the level of fixing you receive ultimately comes down to what you can afford and regardless you will get billed for this. and trips to the E.R. are hella expensive. but once you're there they have to treat you and then you'll get billed out the ass for it.
no you don't need to prove ability to repay which is why unexpected medical bills is a huge portion of bankruptcy filings.
as for this? no idea.Quote:
if they treat you and bill you. If the bills ate huge and I know it's gonna bust me, do you get lots of post illness pre bankruptcy binges where people just go crazy and blow every asset they have while they are both experiencing a renewed appreciation for life and have their last remaining days of access to their assets?
What kind of an answer was that?
That was at wuf not bikes. Ty bikes.
i think the national avg for just being admitted to the E,R with no insurance was like ~$1,000 which to people who live paycheck to paycheck is just backbreaking
Oh, if you don't have insurance, you only get ER treatment because no hospital will turn you away if you're on the brink. Then you go into bankruptcy because you can't pay the gargantuan bills of ER treatment. Then you usually lose your living arrangements and become a burden on any family or friends. If you don't have those, you're on your own, and eventually you die. We already have Universal Healthcare, it's just Emergency Room Universal Healthcare, and it's horribly expensive and inefficient
This is by far the worst fiscal drag on the US economy. The right-wing has been killing every single attempt to reform this system for 50 years, and Obama and the Democrats finally (FINALLY) got something in place that will put the country on a healing trajectory
It won't be until people whose outlooks on government are formed by the Cold War with the Soviet Communists are demographically marginalized that we won't have to deal with this socioeconomically destructive nonsense anymore.
I thought you were being rhetoricalQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
I dunno. The trajectory of the countries debt will probably mean by that time you're all fucked anyway.
America is significantly less free than it was before Obama. And do you say love it or leave it when a Repub administration passes legislation you don't like?Quote:
Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla
No, they were legit yet badly phrased questions.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
This might sound stupid to you guys but the only healthcare system I fully understand is free at point of use (mostly) where if I'm ill they promptly fix me without any cost whatsoever. Anything other than this seems so alien to me I struggle to fathom how it would work in practice.
The debt is actually doing fine. We're down from something like 10% deficits to 4% just over the last 3 years, and this is considering subpar growth due to GOP obstruction and the Federal Reserve's low inflation target and unclear monetary policyQuote:
Originally Posted by rong
The only current problem the debt causes is the manufactured political crisis by the Republicans, and a surplus actually won't be that difficult to get once employment nears full
Stop talkingQuote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Bobby Jindal 2016! Savior of the Right!
You are not very good at handling different points of view. I bet the people who know you refuse to argue with you because you are so closed-minded. Do you ever wonder why people don't appreciate your oh-so-knowledgeable opinions? You should see a shrink. You are fucked up.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
I'm confused, are you trolling or not? This post kinda makes it seem like you've been on level 0 this whole time but like they say, a troll great enough will be indistinguishable from that which he is parodying.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Hmmmm, have you been following WW?Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Oh and fuck you.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
It's an echo chamber in here. See what happens when one person disagrees.Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
When the government forces you to do something, you are less free. How do you not see that?Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
You use the term "libtards" to generalize an entire group that has an opposing point of view. That is all.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
Blah blah blahQuote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
You really just said we're less free because Obama. You couldn't say something more ignorant of the country if you tried
That was meant humorously. To give you a taste of what it's like to be the one outsider. I actually do not discredit people as stupid or malicious for having different opinions than me. Unlike the asshole wuf.Quote:
Originally Posted by d0zer
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Seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
you guys are arguing with strangers on the internet.
That's what it's for!
I didn't mean it in the "shut up you're a bad person" sort of way, but the "shut up before you show everybody you believe asinine things" sort of way
Consider it an act of kindness
OK. No problem. Truce. But I'm not embarrassed by my opinions. I went through a lot to get them.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
Having differences in opinion is fine. Holding absurd opinions which contrast reality, then demanding people respect your opinions-- well.. we're not going to, and that should be obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by abelardx
You are propagating the notion that one issue should be held all important, at all costs. Defaulting on our debt is not a joke. This is going to royally fuck shit up. There was an appropriate time to debate the issue, one side lost, but overall it was a compromise-- now the losing side, the side which received pretty generous concessions, is holding the world economy hostage. There is no other way to see it. It's a singular issue. Get over it-- or win the vote and have the ACA repealed. Oh, wait, you tried that, you lost, and yet here we are.
I mean, don't you get that this is a losing strategy? The Republican base sure is fired up, but what about the center? What about the Latinos? The right is not winning the presidency in '16. The Republican party is (thankfully) in its death throws, because of numbnuts like you. Sadly the party isn't imploding, it's exploding putrid shit all over the rest of us.