My first vote for hoopy and switch to pascal 415-495
I give up on pascal and switch back to hoopy 611-623
I explain why I switched back 667
I would like people's interpretation of the hoopy / jyms exchange I quoted above (739)
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My first vote for hoopy and switch to pascal 415-495
I give up on pascal and switch back to hoopy 611-623
I explain why I switched back 667
I would like people's interpretation of the hoopy / jyms exchange I quoted above (739)
The hoopy / pascal connection:
In post 267, hoopy asks if a villager on villager finger ends the game. In post 270, pascal puts in a passively worded 4th for jkds.
When the hoopy train is rolling, I put in a 3rd. Pascal comes in and riles me, playing to my noob tendencies. It works and I switch.
I'm going to be a lot more centred on hoopy and gabe and so should you all.
Pascal, where are you buddy? As jyms said, the village needs to hear your case against me!
Hoopy's post 267 proves the witches were considering the auto win (if you were a witch, wouldn't you?). Jyms was the first to suggest the idea by some distance btw.
Surely you can see how incriminating your 4th vote is?
I look forward to your rebuttal.
I'm here. I don't see how many vote is that incriminating. To start with, post 267 is jyms not Hoopy
Ha ha shit, it's 263. My bad :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
I'm fairly easy with all 3. Luco is a toss-up - he's got 169 posts which is completely against a normal first game for a witch, but he's probably been told that and he is a clever guy, plus he's spending a lot of time on the thread thinking about it. Daven also played very well last game posting a lot so it's not a reason on it's own.Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
The big red flag for me is his language. This is his first game and he hasn't seen confused at any point - he's always understood what's going on even in fairly complex situations. One of his first posts:
He pretty quickly understands everything about the EV of fingering and doesn't seem that confused. He uses the word "towning" early, then lies and says that someone else used it in this thread. So he's getting this thread confused with another one and no one has used that word in this forum ever, and it seems unlikely he'll have read any other thread and mistook it for FTR unless he was really interested in it - wolfs thread.Quote:
We need to make it to night without fingering each other AND get the first lynch right, or we're practically in endgame.
When rong pulls it up, he says:
Taking an attack and returning it as an attack?? Keeps telling us how much of a mistake we're making etc and how he'll keep bringing it up in future.Quote:
Well I did. It's a shame you brought it up I had you as town at that point.
Posts;
No one had used this phrase before and that's not a phrase you just casually pick up. It is one I could see a wolf such as JKDS using in a wolf thread. Keeps going on about how he's a villager, also says how JKDS can't be a witch because he didn't push his (Luco's) wagon. Lots of positive reinforcement - if he was a villager, especially that early in the game, as a noob he wouldn't want to be that obvious about it for fear of being eaten IMO. He says he's a villager like 4 or 5 times in separate posts - seems desperate to convince everyone he is.Quote:
Going to bed, don't let the wolves close the day early.
As I've said I'm being lazy and relaxed but I read every post, I'm convinced that Luco is a witch (although a well played one). We should lynch Luco. I'd then like someone to finger JKDS although I'm not sure who - I get the feeling you guys might want me to do le fingering however the idea is to have two witches finger each other and that doesn't include me.
Thanks for reading ladies
That's much better :)
Maybe we can set up a luco-pascal fingering.
shotgun fingering luco
Hmmmm....
In some regards I'm not that surprised I'm confused, as this is a very different game to what we normally play what with the lack of specials and the fingering in the first two days that has starved us of information.
My favourite pick for a wolf was Luco. For terminology and general posting style. But, he is posting a hell of a lot and it's hard as a wolf to post that much without doing something stupid and giving something away. Now you could argue that he did with the word towning and some other non-noob terms, but he hasn't done anything that stupid if he is a wolf, so well fucking played if you are. In fact his post count is also making me think he's a villager, simply because, would a noob wolf post that much? I dunno. I think Daven did, and he earnt himself a bit of a rep doing so, so perhaps Luco s trying to recreate that, and again if he is, hats off to him. I still want to lynch him more than anyone else though.
Pascal has done pretty much fuck all. I believe him when he says he has read all the posts and is paying attention, but that is exactly what you do when you are a wolf too. His style is certainly that of a wolf attempting to slip under the radar and he's also avoiding attacking an experienced player by going for Luco who could be seen as an easy target (but if so, that sure backfired lol). So pascal fits the wolf profile, but as I said before, there's something intangible about him that just akes me think he's a villager. I appreciate that's shit reasoning, but it doesn't change how I feel.
I could pretty much write the exact same thing about Daven, minus the intangible villager thing, except he seems to be trying to demonstrate that he is in fact wolf hunting. That is not to say that he is, but he is certainly trying to demonstrate that he is. I could see a few of the back and forths with pascal being two wolves.
However, would Hoopy post this if the wolves are him, Daven & Pascal:
It was his last post before outing himself. And then again here, earlier in the game:Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hoopy
I mean, it would be pretty sick if he did. Does Hoopy have it in him? I definitely think he's underated, so I wouldn't say he wouldn't think it up, but would he actually do it? I dunno, like I say, pretty sick if he did. But if he figured he would get lynched eventually then it sure does provide cover for one of them if both are in that list. That may sound harsh to Hoopy, but you have to bare in mind that if that group is correct then Hoopy is their leader as he is far more experienced than the other too.
That quote also covers JKDS as well, but in my mind I tend to pair JKDS with Luco and Daven with Pascal so that post wouldn't be so daring if Hoopy is a wolf with JKDS and Luco.
If I had to make all the decisions myself at this very moment in time I'd lynch luco today and if he shows wolf, lynch JKDS tomorrow and if Luco shows villager have pascal and daven quick draw finger each other.
But I'm open to alternative options.
You pretty much nailed my case rong. I've posted tons, so much that it hurt, and still all pascal has on me is my words. Backfired made me LOL.
When the hoopy train started moving, I clearly stated that I'd come along. My only concern was that we'd gain little info and it was a sentiment echoed by others.
Pascal is the reason I jumped off the hoopy train, because he was pushing for me over hoopy. Luckily hoopy was clearly a good pick :)
I don't like a Fingering idea unless we have a lock witch and a possible witch. Making the lock witch finger wouldn't be horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
Yeah should just do a lynch. Doing a picked fingering should be in case we lynch a villager.
I assumed any fingering being discussed is always for when its the last opportunity.
I am all for pascal or JKDS. Daven and Luco are my secondary choices depending on how this Lynch goes.
Look how Wolfy this is, he wasn't even on the menu, why would put in this big hint at being a villager?
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Originally Posted by Pascal
I think my problem with pascal as a wolf is he isn't trying hard enough. Comparing him to daven, and I find the two of them similar in this game, daven seems to be trying, although in a useless way, where as pascal just seems as if he doesn't care.
I mean I can live with his lynch but I think the case for luco is far better. If luco doesn't show up wolf then maybe get pascal to finger someone.
Luco bolds a fellow witch twice - sick double bluff bro!
Hoopy asks jyms who he'd finger (739). Jyms picks luco. Hoopy is ok with that. Sick double bluff bro!
What? Do you think wolves never bold each other?
lunch pascal
Sorry jyms we agreed on lynch, burn and drown only lol
lol
nom nom nom
jackvance was one of the first on hoopy and didn't get off. hoopy got to 4 votes and then fingered gabe. its easy as a wolf to put in a first vote on another wolf to give yourself some credit in the future.
interestingly, after luco put in the 4th vote, rong told luco to rescind his bold because he wanted to wait for JKDS's thoughts before we finish the day in case he had something to add. can't see rong being that stupid as a witch, but it could be a double bluff, but i don't think it would be - too much to think about too quickly - so that makes rong a good shout for a villager in my book and i'm more willing to be swayed by what he has to say.
rong thinks luco is a wolf so that strengthens my desire to lynch luco today and re-evaluate tomorrow
Rong I agree Pascal seems to not be trying, that's why I had him as a villager earlier, but since then there have been more instances that made me suspicious. And there was a read I had linked Hoopy to Pascal which is what prompted me to post "I'm sure Hoopy is a witch".
For those wondering what, Hoopy posted atleast twice he was supicious of Pascal, one time even bolding him. Pascal never acknowledged it. However when I made a post commenting his accusations against Pascal were 'good', Pascal made a pretty mad post about it.
That shoulda read "commenting Luco's accusations aginst Pascal were 'good', Pascal made a pretty mad post about it."
so i ignore that hoopy bolds me as a witch and then when hes exposed as a witch i get mad? surely if i was a witch i'd be bringing as much attention as possible to the fact he bolded me?
oh, probably because i was starting to get worried that luco was going to get me lynch when i shouldn't be whereas no one was listening to hoopy
JKDS is gonna be a witch, especially if Pascal isn't. Then there's Daven who can be a witch. My main problem is Luco. I have him as villager. But I always take into account I can have made mistakes, and we can only make one mislynch or we lose, if I take up Luco in my pool of possible witches then we don't have a guaranteed win. (we'll need to eliminate one suspect to sure villager status to get that lock win)
Re the hoopy / jyms exchange I quoted in 739, please go back and read it in context. It gets better in context because jyms and I had bolded each other at that point.
That's right, I was trying to start a wagon on jyms and jyms was dead serious about fingering me.
Would he really put jyms in his list of three if I was a witch?.
You responded to my post before seeing the correction that it was about Luco, so you thought I was talking about Hoopy, something that never happened. Just making up explanations as you go along?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
lol
I get what you're saying here but it's pretty weak. I don't find that compelling evidence for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I don't understand why Luco is spending so much time defending when he's obviously only one of four possibles. Hell, I'm still not convinced I'm out of the woods if we hit a villager on this Lynch. Particularly if I'm helping drive that Lynch. I hate that I can't add much right now.
Jyms personally I'm not even looking at you atm. Should in some lynch JKDS come up as villager (and we aren't dead) I might give you a glance as a possible witch but I don't think you are one.
Well we got hoopy through illumination so let's try again. I'd like to hear the top 3 picks from everyone. 2 witches and a back up.
Pascal, JKDS. And daven backs up in my 3
I'm backing up my assertions with evidence. I can find more if you like.
I don't have faith in Luco as village yet, but without JKDS first, I don't see a need to Lynch in the coaching theory
sameQuote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Agree but I have to add Luco on and remove smoeone, I'm just not sure who.
Pascal, rong, daven in that order.
Jyms I feel compelled to defend myself while I'm still under threat. Apologies and bear with me.
Interesting that the whole coaching theory that puts you in the suspected column revolves around JKDS and you don't put him in your 3Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
well i figured since you said it it must have happened. this game has been going like 4 weeks so i answered it logically as if it had happened. in fact i didnt even explain it, i just said what i would have done if that had been the caseQuote:
Originally Posted by jackvance
my 3 are luco, jkds and im not sure on the 3rd to be honest.
when does today end?
Can we please lynch him today?Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
.Quote:
Originally Posted by wufwugy
drown Pascal
jyms rescind me if you're a villager and believe jackvance is otherwise the two witches can get on and i'll be dead
same for jackvance
in fact thinking about it this is a great spot for a witch to quietly push for a villager lynch without looking too obvious. so either jyms or jackvance is a witch. im going to read the thread quickly and try and work out which one it is
jackvance said i said things i'd never say as a wolf on the first day but is now pushing for my lynch. he bounced around on the first day bolding a bunch of people. also claimed he was going on a short holiday on thursday but he posted on thursday and friday. he's danced about in the shadows not providing much info at all. he's helped the village out by getting the rule changed but that could be a) to make it more of a fun game because he realised how OP it was or b) because he thought someone else would probably think about it anyway. it's tenuous but this is a dreamy spot to get on my wagon and get a villager lynched while seeming to be agreeing with the village. he doesn't even need another wolf to jump on when he knows there's 2 other villagers out there.
Sorry, I had a little relationship dispute. Im catching up and will respond to things i find interesting over the last 2ish pages.
Disagree. I dont think you think this means anything honestly, but I think its actually a wolf sign. [/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
That first paragraph, is like...strict level 0 wolf thinking. No wolf says this unless they are deliberately trying to get to 2nd level. Its admitting to caring what the village thinks and not pursuing your own suspicions, which is exactly what wolves think about. This pushes pascal back a bit imho.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pascal
This second paragraph i could see coming from both roles. Its a nonsense argument either way, but the intent behind it I could easily see from both villager and witch pascal.
This comment has a long history of coming almost exclusively from wolves. The "lynch me and we lose" argument. Luco has been super active, is clearly deeply invested though, so i can see this coming from a too-attached villager. Im removing 'lock villager' status. Still obv not the choice for today, but not the clear villager i thought he was.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
I get nervous when my idea for why villagers are lock villagers is repeated. I mean, im flattered, but its also scarey just because ppl dont usually follow my lead. The reasoning for JV AND for Jyms is almost identical to my own. Super nervous.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luco
Im about halfway, daven has some giant wall that made my eyes bleed. Brb
Blah blah blah, daven mimics both the jv villager mentality as well as tries to justify suspicion for me with buzzword use. (First three lines of the summary contain "air, instant pile on, and fingering is awesome"). Cmon son. Just doing a read through and biasing your results isnt the same as posting content. Your posts are still devoid of reasoning and all i see you doing is mimicking the rest of us.
WHY do you think JV is a villager?
WHY do you think im a witch?
WHY do you think pascal is sketchy?
WHY do you think a luco-jkds team is still possible?
I dont think you can answer these satisfactorily without copying the reasoning of someone else, and i think this has much more to do with you being a witch than with you being busy.
@Pascal: You actually have something new to discuss! Yay! I never saw that "closing the day" line. Meh, i still think luco is pretty villagery, but good find.
I disagree that being smart is role specific evidence though.
@Rong: Bleh on giving luco some villager cred for posting often. Bleh on thinking hes a wolf for the 'relationship' with me. Im pretty curious about your villager vibes on pascal now though. You arent forced to say you have such a vibe, so i dont get the point in making such a statement. It feels real, and you're a decent wolf finder. Im curious lol.
Im of the mind hoopy saw death. I dont give much attention to anything he said even a few hours before he died.
@JV: good point re pascal posting the "if i get eaten" line. ALso his angry response to hoopy's attack.
@Jyms: Daven>pascal>>>rong? Jyms? I havent seen wolf flags from either of you for awhile. I really think this game is over and that its a daven-pascal team.
We still have something like 16 hours. Im not voting yet.
read that post again bro.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
some reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
posting style
rule-change
his post 560 = very certain claim/comment that hoopy is a witch
your wagon stallingQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
your threat to use the finger when you looked like a lynch, but obv never going to back it up (e.g. post 277)
post 299, there were a bunch of different attacks/reasons given that you were wolf, but you merely addressed one of them
all you really have to say re my readthrough of you is 'buzzwords', while ignoring the main observations (you used the same diversionary defence when gabe started accusing you)
the night kills fit with how i think you would play, especially when gabe was hammering you hard about being a witch
your vote for hoopy (post 463) just seems weird
your 'reads' post 662 doesn't really say much
currently you're trying really hard to simultaneously prevent pascal from being lynched AND disassociate yourself from pascal
acknowledges following thread closely, but seems scared to post until heat starts to come onQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
keeps disappearing without saying why
i ask for his reads etc, he doesn't post anything, instead simply complains that nobody else is posting anything - if villager why not wolfhunt at this stage?
because i haven't eliminated either of you from my list of possible witchesQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
satisfied?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
also, i stated in the signup thread that i would be busy. And i have been busy. But my reasoning is my own regardless. Sorry bro.
I dont see why I have to pester you for reasoning, or why its absent when you do post 'content'. I dont care if you only post once a day. But that post better be fantastic when you do.
Re misunderstanding your post: No i didnt. You made a summary, not a case. You went through, found the worst possible light to shine my posts in, and did that. None of these are accusations, none of them actually say anything. However, you do try and include as many "air", "threat", "diversion defense" buzzwords (these are different ones btw) as you possibly could while doing so.
Re specific claims in your last post, ones that actually are content and hold you accountable for your suspicions and provide information to the village...
"your threat to use the finger when you looked like a lynch, but obv never going to back it up (e.g. post 277)"
"post 277 = ask accusers to articulate their reasoning for bolding him. Threatens fingering. Claims to be one of the bets wolf hunters in the game. DOESN"T GO THROUGH WITH FINGERING." (from previous post of yours)
Post 277 != never going to go through with it. I DID intend to do it, but only IF i felt i was going to die. There was no indication a 5th vote was coming after i defended myself, and JV and Jyms even rescinded. Fingering is a gamble, you accept certain death for the chance at an unbiased shot at a wolf. It should be obvious that the risk of death for yourself must necessarily be high and the success rate of a finger need be similarly high for it to be a good move...and by that point half of that equation was no longer true.
This is an example of you using buzzwords instead of logic, because you strongly implied I lied...however you didnt actually accuse me. Thats a summary, and a purposefully prejudicial one at that.
Re gabe: My points were valid. Show me they werent before mocking them. His claims sucked, lacked foundation, and he endlessly refused to discuss them.
"your vote for hoopy (post 463) just seems weird"
--From***
--Hoopy was gonna die, and hes clever; reading too much into those posts is silly.
"your 'reads' post 662 doesn't really say much"
-excuse fucking me? I blatantly call 3 people wolves, with reasoning, and examples, and explain why 3 others should be considered villagery. Half the shit i said was new information no one previously talked about, and 2 people (3?) have straight up copied me. How can you even...like really?
"currently you're trying really hard to simultaneously prevent pascal from being lynched AND disassociate yourself from pascal"
---says YOU. Thinking you're a better lynch is not the same as thinking pascal shouldnt die. The two of you are a team and it seems the only time you even bring valuable speech to the table is when I attack you...and then its just counterattack nonsense.
@your pascal reasoning: fair enough, but its not like this response is role dependent.
@your luco-jkds team: NO. Thats not what i was asking for and you know it. I want you to clearly articulate why this is something thats on your mind without just copying the words of your wolfbuddy pascal or rong.
it was a readthrough, not a case. I chose the player i was most interested in and read/summarised all posts. That's probably why it looked like a summary. I made observations regarding some of your posts, and other things that jumped out in the thread. At the end of the readthrough you felt a little withc-like.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
re the purposeful prejudice, i was reading through looking for wolf tells, so maybe i was reading with a bias. I genuinely can't tell. Note this is my first game as a villager.
So what did you mean when you told me to read it again?
Also forgive me if i dont just take your word that youre a villager.
re your monster post not saying much
it felt like you were going with general village feel a lot of the time, and posting weak rationale when you weren't
re the jkds/luco team thing. It was an idea that turned up early in the thread re coaching etc, then had started to fade. i simply pointed out that it was still a possibility i.e. nothing in my readthrough made it lock-impossible that you couldn't be wolves together
I have to think again. Its starting to feel like im reading into tone and conviction that simply isnt there.
that there was more content than simply the commentary on your posts (see the diversion re the hoopy wagon) and buzzwordsQuote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
you shouldn't take anyone's word they're a villager = forgiven. I mean, shit, i'm not posting much content cos i'm busy = the exact argument i used to get jyms lynched last game. So fair enough that i look sus.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS
same token, i'm sure you don't hate me for thinking you're witch after readng through your posts
Jyms my entire game solving theory is that you and jkds were pasties in an attempted push for auto win, and I've pulled two hoopy quotes that show the coven were indeed thinking along those lines. How can I possibly put him up?Quote:
Originally Posted by jyms
Not pasties, stupid SwiftKey! You get the idea
JKDS is so wolf. It's JKDS & luco. I don't mind the pascal lynch today as long as luco fingers JKDS tomorrow.
JKDS's posts over the last 12 hrs are like a definition of wishywashy.
Come on guys think about things logically. We’re rolling on jkds. Suddenly the realisation dawns on all of us that a bad finger ends the game. The witches have this HUGE carrot dangling in front of them. Why wouldn’t they go for it?
The villager / villager finger:
Is supported by hoopy quotes at least twice
Is supported by voting patterns (Pascal's 4th, his attempt to hurt hoopy's heat)
Is logical and reasonable
The coaching theory:
Was a stretch to begin with (and gabe agrees)
Has NO supporting Hoopy quotes (search away!)
Has NO supporting voting patterns (unless you count me not voting jkds)
Mathematically at 6-3 in a blind game, what are the odds of scoring two witches right off the bat?
Also, I have FOUR other villagers out there right now who are NOT trying to solve tonight’s vote through Hoopy. COME ON GUYS!
Also,
Lynch pascal
It's been fun buddy, seriously
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Originally Posted by rong
The fuck is this shit. Explain. How can you not see how wolfy daven and pascal are being?Quote:
Originally Posted by rong
Lol settle down. He's pot committed, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKDS