16 NL hand

Villain is 21/15, seems pretty solid over 100 hands or so.
Preflop, I 3bet because I've been 3betting a lot, this time for value because I think I can get worse aces to call etc.

On the flop I see his minibet and take it as weakness somehow, maybe he hit a pair or is on a flush draw so I raise. Is the raise a good size? How much should I raise to?

On the turn he does a tiny bet again and not sure what to think of it.

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $15.48
UTG: $18.26
MP: $19.43
CO: $9.57
Hero (BTN): $16.23
SB: $18.02

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has A:spade: J:club:

fold, MP raises to $0.48, fold, Hero raises to $1.92, fold, fold, MP calls $1.44

Flop: ($4.08, 2 players) 4:heart: J:diamond: 7:diamond:
MP bets $1.12, Hero raises to $4.00, MP calls $2.88

Turn: ($12.08, 2 players) K:diamond:
MP bets $2.40 Hero =???

Preflop, he's gonna be raising 88+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,AJo+,KQo from MP.

Calling a 3Bet OOP is not a profitable move, but maybe you've convinced him you're some AgrroTard, so he's looking you up. Can't see him having anything wider than JJ-99,AQs,KQs,QJs,JTs,AQo. You're a 3:2 dog

OTF he donks into you. Again, a bit odd, and i don't know what the sizing signifies.

Out of the above range, he can only really have AdQd or JJ (though i'd expect a c/r on this board with a Set) You're now a 5:2 dog, so raising TP/TK here doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, your bet here is offering him 3.2:1 on any FD

OTT, a diamond flush just got there, and a Set of Js has you dead. i'm guessing the small bet size is an enticement

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Originally Posted by DoubleJ

Preflop, he's gonna be raising 88+,A2s+,K9s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,98s,87s,AJo+,KQo from MP.

Calling a 3Bet OOP is not a profitable move, but maybe you've convinced him you're some AgrroTard, so he's looking you up. Can't see him having anything wider than JJ-99,AQs,KQs,QJs,JTs,AQo. You're a 3:2 dog

OTF he donks into you. Again, a bit odd, and i don't know what the sizing signifies.

Out of the above range, he can only really have AdQd or JJ (though i'd expect a c/r on this board with a Set) You're now a 5:2 dog, so rasing TP/TK here doesn't make a lot of sense. Also, you're bet here is offering him 3.2:1 on any FD

OTT, a diamond flush just got there, and a Set of Js has you dead. i'm guessing the small bet size is an enticement

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very good analysis including hand ranges and pot odds.

what % is he folding to 3bets?
you've been 3-betting a lot this session, is that this table specifically? if so, what is your read on how he plays in 3b pots?

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Originally Posted by daven

what % is he folding to 3bets?
you've been 3-betting a lot this session, is that this table specifically? if so, what is your read on how he plays in 3b pots?

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Yeah 3betting a lot this table specifically. Mostly they don't call... and if they do they just fold on flop cbets

He folds to 3bets 55% of the time over 110 hands

why are you raising the flop?

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Originally Posted by daven

why are you raising the flop?

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The board is extremely scary, several turn cards would put me in an even more complicated spot, and I got a decent hand where I'm not too inclined to fold from a donk bet.

You have got a read on the villian which justifies you re-raising pre flop with AJ. The bet on the flop is also good given you are holding top pair with A backup. If he is chasing a flush and calls then at least you are getting some value into the pot. When the King of diamonds comes out on the Turn I am thinking I have to fold but I do not have the advantage of knowing the guy like you do. Cant see how you can call this with this flop and tunr. Be interested to see how it turns out.

Looks like villain is suckering a perceived aggrotard into spew if your read on him being solid is correct. I'd lean towards calling flop cheaply and revaluating turn and river.

What worse aces are calling out of position to a 4x 3bet?

i like calling flop to your five outs

This looks horrible to me. 3bet sizing sucks, and so does the logic behind the 3bet. A 21/15 is not calling AT and worse to a x4 3bet. If he thinks you're full of shit, he 4bets these hands, forcing you to fold the best. But more likely he folds his AT-.

This flop raise is great if you think villain is folding QQ, or calling AK. These hands are what make up the bulk of his range imo.

Not folding.

results of hand for those who care

PokerStars - $0.16 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: $15.48
UTG: $18.26
MP: $19.43
CO: $9.57
Hero (BTN): $16.23
SB: $18.02

SB posts SB $0.08, BB posts BB $0.16

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.24) Hero has A:spade: J:club:

fold, MP raises to $0.48, fold, Hero raises to $1.92, fold, fold, MP calls $1.44

Flop: ($4.08, 2 players) 4:heart: J:diamond: 7:diamond:
MP bets $1.12, Hero raises to $4.00, MP calls $2.88

Turn: ($12.08, 2 players) K:diamond:
MP bets $2.40, Hero raises to $10.31 and is all-in, MP calls $7.91

River: ($32.70, 2 players) T:heart:

MP shows T:diamond: A:diamond: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 32%, Flop 38%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A:spade: J:club: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 68%, Flop 62%, Turn 0%)
MP wins $31.23

Ok I'm sorry I take it back, the raise pre is just fine.

Actually that's me being results orientated. I still think it's bad. So this guy has ATs in his r/c range pre. That's 3 combos that we dominate that call the 3bet. How many combos does he have that crush us?

yah i don't like 3betting this hand or this size pre. not until we've actually seen him call a 3b w/ATo- or A9s-.

even then i wouldn't 3bet any more than 3x his raise. 2.5x is my standard 3b size in this spot

i've been thinking about this hand a bunch. Flop play that is. Turn is an incredibly standard fold as played

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Originally Posted by xptboy

MP shows T:diamond: A:diamond: (Flush, Ace High) (Pre 32%, Flop 38%, Turn 100%)
Hero shows A:spade: J:club: (One Pair, Jacks) (Pre 68%, Flop 62%, Turn 0%)
MP wins $31.23

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Originally Posted by daven

i like calling flop to your five outs

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lol i was pretty wrong on that one. What's his call pre, donk flop range though? some nut flush draws, some TT+, some weird combos?

i still like calling flop cos you then get a pretty easy turn decision with a bunch of chips left behind rather than ending up with less than pot behind. If you're raising the flop it's for value vs the part of his range that you're ahead of (he is never folding hands that beat AJ) so you have to raise enough not to give him direct pot-odds to call with flush draws. With the sizing you chose he had to call 2.80 into 12 which means he is getting close to direct pot odds to call with his flush draws (either 9 or 12 outs)

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Originally Posted by daven

i've been thinking about this hand a bunch. Flop play that is. Turn is an incredibly standard fold as played



lol i was pretty wrong on that one. What's his call pre, donk flop range though? some nut flush draws, some TT+, some weird combos?

i still like calling flop cos you then get a pretty easy turn decision with a bunch of chips left behind rather than ending up with less than pot behind. If you're raising the flop it's for value vs the part of his range that you're ahead of (he is never folding hands that beat AJ) so you have to raise enough not to give him direct pot-odds to call with flush draws. With the sizing you chose he had to call 2.80 into 12 which means he is getting close to direct pot odds to call with his flush draws (either 9 or 12 outs)

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yeah my bet sizing def needs work lol.

And also a lot of times at the tables I do things I wouldn't do if I look back at the hand (even not being results oriented) simply because I lack time, because I'm concentrating on more than just one hand at a time in many cases and I'm slightly a bit excited, I think I'll get better with this just by playing more obviously