4NL FR: Post-flop help

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05-08-2012, 08:55 AM
dasnerdly

4NL FR: Post-flop help

Being fairly new to poker, I'm hoping for some comments on my thought process, bet sizes, or anything else that strikes our more veteran players (which compared to me is almost everyone :P ).

Villain was 77/8 after 13 hands.

My thoughts during the hand: I checked to maybe see a free card (which I'm not sure if that was a mistake or not). When he min bid on the flop I put him on some sort of weak str draw or other weak hand and so raised because I'm not letting him see another card for a 1 BB bet. Turn looks good for me (to me anyway) and by the river I'm fairly certain I'm ahead and looking to extract some extra value, but I didn't think he would go AI. He only had $1.19 left though, so should I have just bet $1.20? That's still less than 1/2 pot, although it obviously would put him AI.

Anyway, that was my basic thought process - did I butcher this hand, play it OK, or something in between? :P

Merge - $0.04 NL - Holdem - 8 players

MP+1: $4.00
CO: $2.45
BTN: $7.57
Hero (SB): $6.48
BB: $4.47
UTG: $1.27
UTG+1: $3.64
MP: $4.14

Hero posts SB $0.02, BB posts BB $0.04

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.06) Hero has Q:spade: K:spade:

fold, fold, fold, MP+1 calls $0.04, CO calls $0.04, fold, Hero raises to $0.20, fold, fold, CO calls $0.16

Flop: ($0.48, 2 players) 9:club: T:diamond: 7:spade:
Hero checks, CO bets $0.04, Hero raises to $0.32, CO calls $0.28

Turn: ($1.12, 2 players) 9:spade:
Hero bets $0.74, CO calls $0.74

River: ($2.60, 2 players) Q:club:
Hero bets $0.50, CO calls $0.50
05-08-2012, 09:21 AM
gotigers1234

I think you should prob. just fold this pre and look for some better spots. As played I would prob cbet flop the check/call small bet on the turn for the flush draw. As far as the river I am not sure hopefully someone with a brain can help you with that.
05-08-2012, 11:13 AM
MadMojoMonkey

Folding pre-flop to no raise is absurd, IMO. Hero has a top hand in a limped pot; KQs is in the top 5% of starting hands. This is not even a marginal spot, this is raising for value with a pocket that, in all likelihood, is the favorite to win.

With Villain playing 77% of their pre-flop holdings, their range is basically ATC; he/she has only folded 1 time out of 13. (I assume that you don't know Villain's CPFR stat? Not that it matters too much after 13 hands, but it does tell us something about their calling range.) This tells me villain has no idea what pre-flop play is about, and likely will play post-flop as badly.

After Villain POB's the flop and calls the c/r, Villain's range is likely Tx, 9x, 8x, 7x.

Bet on the turn? I thought the plan was to take a free card. I think I might have stuck to the original plan here. Maybe I'd try a smaller blocker bet against such a loose villain. Have you seen this Villain fold to a bet on the turn? If not, this seems like spew to me. Either way, when villain calls the turn, you have an implied odds situation built up.

Assuming all of Hero's outs are clean, that's 15 outs, so 15/46 = 32.6%, which is ~ 2:1.
(2/1)*$0.74 = $1.48 That's the amount Hero needs to win to make this a +EV bet.
$1.12 + $0.74 = $1.86 WOW. NICE!!

I was wrong, there. The turn bet is already +EV and no implied odds are needed. Cool!

Well, assuming the 15 outs were valid, Hero caught one and can V-bet here. Well played, sir. I learned something from this one.
05-08-2012, 11:22 AM
d0zer

pre is fine/std
cbet flop
bet turn a little smaller due to stack size
shove river for value
05-08-2012, 11:28 AM
OngBonga

Lol @ fold pre flop. We've got KQs against a limpdonk, raising is just fine.
b/f flop, b/f turn, b/f river. As played just put him in on the river, if he calls 50c he calls his remaining stack.
05-08-2012, 11:42 AM
OngBonga

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

bet turn a little smaller due to stack size

This is interesting. Are you betting less because we want to have more fold equity on the river for when we brick? I like the larger bet for the opposite reason... he calls his losing pairs when we bink.
05-08-2012, 11:50 AM
d0zer

Quote:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

This is interesting. Are you betting less because we want to have more fold equity on the river for when we brick? I like the larger bet for the opposite reason... he calls his losing pairs when we bink.

I wouldn't suggest shoving river as a bluff when we brick, except maybe Ace rivers.

I don't think .70 vs .50 changes his calling range enough, and if that's true, then cheaper bluff = more +EV, we can still shove river for value when we hit (and again I don't think his river calling range is changed enough by the larger river shove we setup).
05-08-2012, 12:15 PM
OngBonga

Quote:

Originally Posted by d0zer

I don't think .70 vs .50 changes his calling range enough, and if that's true, then cheaper bluff = more +EV

Yeah that makes perfect sense, thanks.
05-08-2012, 02:41 PM
gotigers1234

Quote:

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Lol @ fold pre flop. We've got KQs against a limpdonk, raising is just fine.
b/f flop, b/f turn, b/f river. As played just put him in on the river, if he calls 50c he calls his remaining stack.

Well this is why I am here to make you guys laugh.... I was thinking i would not want to get in a big multiway pot oop with KQ. I see the guy is lose preflop but there is another limper to consider? Maybe I am just a nitdonk