10s pre deeps stacks vs UTG raise

Villain in this hand is playing 12/4 over 20 hands. I'm not 3 betting here as my hand plays terribly against his 4 bet range from UTG even if he is mixing in suited connectors occasionally and I don't want to go to war due to me and the villain having deep stacks.

OK my plan for the hand after the flop comes was to call a reasonable c-bet and possibly make a play for the pot on the turn.

If he checks the flop I planned to check back and raise most turns.

Then the K falls.....


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 3.3 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB (t6130)
UTG (t13595)
UTG+1 (t8585)
Hero (MP1) (t8380)
MP2 (t1770)
MP3 (t5682)
CO (t8364)
Button (t2947)
SB (t6721)
Hero's M: 26.60
Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 10:club:, 10:spade:
UTG bets t360, 1 fold, Hero calls t360, 6 folds
Flop: (t1035) Q:diamond:, 6:club:, 4:club: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks
Turn: (t1035) K:spade: (2 players)
UTG bets t480, Hero?

Folds and moves on.

I would bet the flop, any AKJ or club is bad for you

Guess I just didn't want to get c/r off what could well be the best hand.

Surely he would bet a queen. Also by checking I dont lose my flop bet without seeing a turn and get a step closer to showdown?

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Originally Posted by Alpine021

Guess I just didn't want to get c/r off what could well be the best hand.

Surely he would bet a queen. Also by checking I dont lose my flop bet without seeing a turn and get a step closer to showdown?

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On this board I think most villians will lead with Qx, AA, KK after a preflop raise, the only hands that I would be concerned about that are ahead of me but will not bet are AQc, KQc and JJ

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Originally Posted by TLR

I would bet the flop, any AKJ or club is bad for you

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I don't necessarily think a club is that bad.

I like bet flop too though. I would bet less than half the pot and hope to get him to call with his AK overs.

bet flop, turn is close but I'd peel I think, I doubt he's going to bluff the river much.

getting c/r here isn't so bad since you'll almost always have two outs or less. I'd pretty much bet any hand you're here with, maybe you could check gutters and sets.

why would you "raise most turns"?

Bet the flop IMO, but other then that its fine as long as you folded turn.

I agree. Half-pottish bet flop. You have a likely-best but vulnerable hand. As played fold the turn.

most hands that you are worried about c/r u here are almost always just going to lead this flop since they were the pfr. i.e. hands like AcJc, AcKc, etc. will just bet flop. This is a pretty clear bet flop spot.

Never understood why people are afraid of being check-raised. I could understand it if you have all kinds of backdoor equity or something but if you get C-R on this board you are drawing thin to dead. I'd fold the turn, he pretty much has AK like 90% of the time.

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

why would you "raise most turns"?

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Because lately there has been a fair amount of delayed c-bets so he might bet the turn with his air as I checked back the flop.

I've done it a lot recently to try and not look like a habitual c-bettor on the flop and mix it up a bit.

And I guess I didnt mean most turns but a fair percentage of them.

He could easily check the flop with AK/AJs, 77-JJ, 2 clubs he didnt want to get raised off etc. and getting raised on the turn would be scary for him when this deep with the implied threat of a bigger river bet.

I would call more than I would raise, but more importantly all of those things are good reasons to bet the flop. If you want to pick off delayed c-bets do it with draws or even air before TT.

If you find yourself bet/folding this flop with two clubs ever, stop, either call the raise or jam.

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I dont like your logic for raising a turn bet on a safe board. If you think you're ahead of most of his range, just call a turn bet and let him bet again on the river.

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Originally Posted by drmcboy

If you find yourself bet/folding this flop with two clubs ever, stop, either call the raise or jam.

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I meant he might fold with 2 clubs. And even then he might call my raise and c/f the river if he misses or be in a tough spot.

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Originally Posted by Sykedupp

I dont like your logic for raising a turn bet on a safe board. If you think you're ahead of most of his range, just call a turn bet and let him bet again on the river.

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I was thinking I dont like giving him 2 cards to overs / FDs but don't mind letting him miss once to try and gain an extra bet from him. If he checks the turn he's practically given up and I wasn't getting any more money anyway.

If he c/r the turn I was probably beaten all along unless its a great bluff raise.

no one's folding 2 clubs