100nl FR: Miff wants to fold again

Villain is Fmorbiducci - something like 17/15 7% 3bet - squeezes a lot.

Slightly losing reg over 400k hands - S American

Thoughts on all streets - i have posted that i called and comments on that are also welcome.

Our Image is 14/12 - 24 tabling pretty active here as ive been iso-raising some fish to my right.

Villain did take some time before betting river - not sure what this implies.

No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (9 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

saw flop

CO ($111.60)
Button ($44)
SB ($48.75)
BB ($105.70)
UTG ($93.25)
UTG+1 ($40)
MP1 ($38.50)
MP2 ($81.65)
Hero (MP3) ($106.05)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 10:club:, 10:spade:
3 folds, MP2 bets $2, Hero calls $2, CO raises $9.50, 3 folds, MP2 calls $7.50, Hero calls $7.50

Flop: ($30) 6:heart:, J:club:, 7:club: (3 players)
MP2 checks, Hero checks, CO bets $15, 1 fold, Hero calls $15

Turn: ($60) 10:diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($60) K:spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $35, Hero calls $35 and hates it

Total pot: $130

I'm pretty confused by your play here.

I'd always always iso pre flop with TT here, limping seems kind of meh with a hand we're happy to play in a 2/3 way pot and play for reasons other than just set mining.

c/c the flop seems ok here vs this sizing, I'd probably just fold to a good sized bet as I wouldn't expect him to make one with air too often.

Turn I suppose you can just c/r, if he's the type to check back over pairs or just be passive in general on @scary@ boards I'd just lead.

As played I think I'd just lead river. If he doesn't call a c/r with AA AK etc then c/r may just be isolating KK and AQ, the latter there are obv plenty combos of. But still he can have 12 combos of AK here, 12 of KQ, sometimes AA making plenty of worse that call a river lead. If he calls with JJ-QQ then you can add some more assuming he doesn't bet the turn 100% of the time with these. So probably a good amount of combos of worse hands that aren't folding vs a lead and 16 combos of better (AQ ) As played I mean shit, you need 25% equity, his sizing doesn't indicate the nuts and yeah you just can't fold. C/F this river would be so absurd imo.

Like even if he bets AK and AQ/KK only then it's a call.

Yeah I could never fold here, ever lol

Iso-raising JJ/TT here has got me into trouble too often - i dont think its the correct play without good reason - hence no 3bet pre here.

Maybe it's my 6 max orientated brain, but not iso raising seems very alien to me.

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Originally Posted by Carroters

Maybe it's may 6 max orientated brain, but not iso raising seems very alien to me.

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Your point is absolutly valid - and i agree if i sat at a 6max table my preflop play would be massivly different.

Id be interested if other players feel there is such a significant dynamic between 6 max and FR - i feel there is but id accept if others feel thats a leak

reads on MP2 please - pre could be ok, dunno. But with reads that there is a serial squeezer yet to act it changes. Depends on MP2
Donk turn all day. River is close - call.

post-flop reads on villain (any hud stats at all!) may change this.

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Originally Posted by daven

reads on MP2 please - pre could be ok, dunno. But with reads that there is a serial squeezer yet to act it changes. Depends on MP2
Donk turn all day. River is close - call.

post-flop reads on villain (any hud stats at all!) may change this.

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16/14 - decent W$WSF 41% - thats all I had over about 25 hands or so

Only thing that i can see on the squeezer is his lowish Postflop Agg - 2

I guess he has a slightly higher than normal went to SD and won@SD %s but its a 500 hand sample...

Any help?

Would it be batshit crazy to 4-bet pre? there's 42 BBs in there.

Pants on your head crazy.

out of interest, how do you 24-table? ie stack? tile? cascade? and when you do 24 table how the fuck are you still able to get timing tells? i guess that means you must be tiling them right? anyhow, flatting pre seems good unless you plan to call off a shove. flop looks fine. turn i guess we can check/bomb. while AK/AQ did pick up 4 outs here, i doubt he ever bets the turn without a pair because he just can't expect us to be folding on this turn card. river i think i prefer leading because basically all of his range now has a pair, some of which he will check back. and i don't think he will ever bluff this river. so bet>check imo.

also, i've recently switched from playing FR to predominantly 6max. i think there is certainly a more aggro dynamic in 6m, particularly amongst the regs at 50-100nl, which makes it fine to 3b/5b jam far wider and less polarised than i would be at FR because of how often/how much dead money we pick up.

edit: oh yeah and as played i'm never folding to this river bet.

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Originally Posted by rpm

out of interest, how do you 24-table? ie stack? tile? cascade? and when you do 24 table how the fuck are you still able to get timing tells? i guess that means you must be tiling them right? anyhow, flatting pre seems good unless you plan to call off a shove. flop looks fine. turn i guess we can check/bomb. while AK/AQ did pick up 4 outs here, i doubt he ever bets the turn without a pair because he just can't expect us to be folding on this turn card. river i think i prefer leading because basically all of his range now has a pair, some of which he will check back. and i don't think he will ever bluff this river. so bet>check imo.

also, i've recently switched from playing FR to predominantly 6max. i think there is certainly a more aggro dynamic in 6m, particularly amongst the regs at 50-100nl, which makes it fine to 3b/5b jam far wider and less polarised than i would be at FR because of how often/how much dead money we pick up.

edit: oh yeah and as played i'm never folding to this river bet.

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Old skool - 2 24inch monitors, table ninja, tiling ---->can see them all at once
My efective winrate is about 1-1.25PT which is reasonable for so many tables.

Agree with all the rest - he showed me AQ ofc

I understand your dilemma, such a awkward spot. With that river card, esp. When he checks back the turn. I mean even still you have to win roughly 37% of the time facing that river bet and I think if he has something like AK,QQ,AA he's going to bet the river for value everytime, if he has you beat then he hit a gutter ,a 2 outer or checked back top set on the turn. Which imo he will never do. So there's only two hands that beat you in his range vs. At least 4 or 5 that u beat as played. It's pretty close as far as that goes. I don't think I'm ever folding this river, and I actually like a lead on the turn vs a check, Idk if c/raise was your plan or not but at 100nl I would just donk the turn and v-bet river if he calls.

Misread this as a limp first time, I don't mind your flat at all pre.