A hand from Petulie

Posting this for my girl, because it isn't letting her. Damn mac users. UTG is 42/9, we've been over this hand and she's learned from some of the mistakes made, but I'll leave it open for you guys to give your input and discuss things we haven't.

$0.01/$0.02 No Limit Holdem
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6 Players
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Stacks:
UTG tunafish41 ($3.55)
UTG+1 ErikelRojo83 ($1.97)
CO Vanya7let ($2)
BTN anderson1691 ($2.14)
SB Hero ($5.15)
BB ceceu_x6 ($0.69)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03, 6 players) Hero is SB :qs: :td:
tunafish41 raises to $0.06, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.05, ceceu_x6 calls $0.04

Flop: :9d: :3d: :8h: ($0.18, 3 players)
Hero checks, ceceu_x6 bets $0.12, tunafish41 calls $0.12, anderson1691 says "a", Hero calls $0.12

Turn: :8d: ($0.54, 3 players)
Hero checks, ceceu_x6 checks, tunafish41 bets $0.34, Hero folds,

fold pre? info on bb would be nice

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Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

fold pre? info on bb would be nice

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This. I can't comment on pre/flop without reads.

I'm not a 6max player but yeah, I'm not sure why we're in this hand. Utg is probably not positionally aware at all, so the fact that he's raising pre from ep probably means nothing, but he still has a strong range here (especially at 6max yeah?).

Fold flop, stop chasing gutshots.

I guess we have some more equity on the turn but I like that we finally folded there.

Can we get some ranges here? Preferably from petulie?

I think I'd of folded here pre as well. But is there not an argument here for a 3-bet?

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Originally Posted by derekeverett

I think I'd of folded here pre as well. But is there not an argument here for a 3-bet?

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W/o more info on villain I'd say no.

3 bet bluffing tight UTG fish raisers who will fold to 3 bets around 10% of the time or less is really bad and even worse with a hand totally dominated by their opening/continuing range (which is essentially the same thing here) Please please don't do this!

Don't think the flop call is terrible for this price given we're 150 deep with UTG and he has a pretty tight range fairly weighted towards overpairs. It's probably marginal but okay, would be better on a rainbow board obv.

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Originally Posted by Carroters

3 bet bluffing tight UTG fish raisers who will fold to 3 bets around 10% of the time or less is really bad and even worse with a hand totally dominated by their opening/continuing range (which is essentially the same thing here) Please please don't do this!

Don't think the flop call is terrible for this price given we're 150 deep with UTG and he has a pretty tight range fairly weighted towards overpairs. It's probably marginal but okay, would be better on a rainbow board obv.

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ok, I'm new to this forum and perhaps I'm misunderstanding something.. or misunderstand a lot lol... but a VPIP of 42 is tight?

No a VPIP of 42 is not tight, but a PFR of 9 is very tight and that's what's relevant here since villaion opened from UTG and didn't limp. The 42 shows he plays a lot of hands but the 9 confirms he raises hardly any of them preflop, thus making his range in this specific hand tight.

Just realised it was BB who led this flop and UTG merely called, don't think our implied odds are great vs UTG now and am down with just folding flop. BB is obv way too short to be calling gutters against here and our overcards are often tainted.

In retrospect should def have folded pre, but at the time I figured he was playing pretty loosely and didn't appear to be positionally aware.

I'm afraid I can't give further reads on my opponent as I'm still working on setting folk on ranges.

On the flop I figured I had a chance at a straight so call, and on the turn was tempted by the straight/flush draw but realised odds were probably against me so folded.

Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated

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Originally Posted by Carroters

Just realised it was BB who led this flop and UTG merely called.

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No think it was the other way around, UTG opened, BB called.

I see what you mean about UTG being tight now on opening, I hadn't really appreciated that before. Think I was focusing more on the number of hands folk were playing. I will definitely
keep this in mind for future

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Originally Posted by Petulie

In retrospect should def have folded pre, but at the time I figured he was playing pretty loosely and didn't appear to be positionally aware.

I'm afraid I can't give further reads on my opponent as I'm still working on setting folk on ranges. What better time than now to start trying?

On the flop I figured I had a chance at a straight so call, and on the turn was tempted by the straight/flush draw but realised odds were probably against me so folded. Also a good time to figure out what your chance of hitting is, and how much equity you have. Obv implied odds are at play here but I personally think you should figure out your pot odds and you'll see how far you're behind.

Thanks for the feedback guys, much appreciated

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Originally Posted by Petulie

No think it was the other way around, UTG opened, BB called.

I see what you mean about UTG being tight now on opening, I hadn't really appreciated that before. Think I was focusing more on the number of hands folk were playing. I will definitely
keep this in mind for future

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UTG opened pre, BB opened flop.

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Originally Posted by supahaole

UTG opened pre, BB opened flop.

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Ah I see, somehow missed the whole flop bit in his comment. I stand corrected.

Silly girl feesh!

Okay the reason I say i don't like a call on the flop when the BB leads on the flop and UTG calls is that by just calling UTG's range is weakened since he probably raises with overpairs fairly frequently on this flop. If he has less ovepairs in his range, then you have less chance of stacking him should you make your straight and hence your call on the flop is worse because you don't stand to win as much on the rare ocassions when you make your hand. In a nutshell, your implied odds aren't that great.

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On the flop I figured I had a chance at a straight so call

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This isn't a sufficient reason in itself to call. What matters is whether you have the right pot odds (the money in the pot already) + implied odds (the money you can win on future streets from you opponents) to make the call. We'll talk about that very soon, but remember to evaluate how many outs you have or better yet your equity with draws vs how much you're putting in the pot. Pokerstove can help you familiarise yourself with equity in these common situations, have a play around with various draws.

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but at the time I figured he was playing pretty loosely and didn't appear to be positionally aware.

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This is true, but bear in mind his PFR stat is what matters here, not VPIP, and even if he isn't positionally aware, he's still opening very tightly from any position.

fold pre
fold flop although flop may be perceived close cos odds vs RIO - stack sizes matter etc
fold turn