River line?

OP is running Vp 66/ PRF 13/ Afq 57 -- over 56 hands

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.05 BB (8 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 ($4)
CO ($5.01)
Button ($3.04)
SB ($4.05)
Hero (BB) ($8.03)
UTG ($5)
UTG+1 ($5.45)
MP1 ($5)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, Ahttp://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...lies/spade.gif
UTG calls $0.05, UTG+1 calls $0.05, 4 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero bets $0.35, 1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.30, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.80) 4http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif, 10http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ilies/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, UTG+1 calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.20) 6http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero bets $1.85, UTG+1 calls $1.85

River: ($5.90) 2http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...es/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero ??, [color=#CC3333]

For a range I put him on some KT or busted club draw.

{KT, JJ-QQ, 4dxd, Acxc, Kcxc}

That is his range entering the river. How does this range split into calling/folding/raising when you bet? Betting/checking behind when you check?

What is your equity against the calling/raising ranges when you bet? Against the betting range when you check? run it in Pokerstove.

bump, OP please do your homework!

Huge Fish
I would expect his flop calling range is super wide, and will pick up gut shots on the turn that he will call a turn bet to. By the river his range is still so super wide its pretty sick. Equity is still over 65% (*non*Educated Guess) Stove it up with 65% of hands, and start deleting them one by one. Lots of combos of T's, but lots of other garbage too.

Don't confuse your calling range on the flop or turn with villains calling range.

IP Bet an amount that Fish can still call with his wide range. Basically PP,6,4,2, Ax.
I don't know what bet size is optimal, but should be targeted so he calls the river with these weak hands.

OOP I like to know if a fish will bet if checked to. I always want to know how aggressive a fish is on the river, because I will let him decide what amount he is willing to call (bet). On this board they will even bet their air (pot size), putting you on two high cards that can't call. A random six will seem like the nuts to a fish on the river if it's checked to him.

Check calling is also good against a random river raise when he has any PP that waited until the river to raise. (I think usually this is a turn raise for a fish though) Nothing is worse then planning a bet/fold when villain finally raises river with KK-77.

Why KT and not any other T? Results oriented, or retarded?

why are you giving this massive fish such an absurdly tight range?

Why are you mentioning KT but not all the other tens?

Why are you including Axs, Kxs but not all the other billions of suited cards that superfish like to play?

Why are you not using pokerstove?

Why does a good god let bad things happen?

Why do fatties give such good bjz?

Why am I posting in the BC?

FOR HIS RANGE I THINK FLUSH DRAW

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Originally Posted by d0zer

Why do fatties give such good bjz?

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i know right

1 - put villain on a range for pre-flop limp-call
2 - narrow this range after villain calls flop
3 - narrow this range after villain calls turn
4 - now you have a range on which to base your river decision

post the ranges from 1-3 above, post your thoughts on best river play based on this

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Originally Posted by daven

1 - put villain on a range for pre-flop limp-call
2 - narrow this range after villain calls flop
3 - narrow this range after villain calls turn
4 - now you have a range on which to base your river decision

post the ranges from 1-3 above, post your thoughts on best river play based on this

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1. FLUSH DRAW
2. FLUSH DRAW
3. FLUSH DRAW
4. BET SO HE CAN'T BLUFF ME

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Originally Posted by spoonitnow

Why KT and not any other T? Results oriented, or retarded?

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Retarded. I was ranging him on hands that made sense to me with calling a raise preflop.


Turns out he had :5d: :kd:

I can't see how he called the flop bet with no draw and no pair. Then I think that the call on turn is -EV. If he doesn't know I have a diamond then he has 9 outs - 18%. Pot odds he is paying closer to 31% for this draw.

I haven't seen this guy again, after he stacked me. Oh well, shit happens- next hand... moving on.

I need to range people better based on their stats rather than hands that make sense to me. Thats the moral of this hand.

The moral is also that you did not split his range in how he plays it on the river.

The moral of the story is:

Never mind that you lost this one, don't question the above decisions, but do question your decision making thought process. Write notes on this guy, you will get your money back in no time. He is a huge fish.

two threads:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-177296.html
http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ge-177508.html

and a special hint for after you read those threads and put your opponent on a range:

if you beat more than 50% of what you think your opponents CALLING range is on the river against your chosen betsize. then that is a bet which has a positive expectation. they're the good type.

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Originally Posted by Carroters

1. FLUSH DRAW
2. FLUSH DRAW
3. FLUSH DRAW
4. BET SO HE CAN'T BLUFF ME

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OK a couple things here. His range is much bigger then a flush draw, and why would you bet so he can't bluff you? Isn't it more +EV to induce a bluff and snap it off? If your 100% sure he has a busted flush draw, betting is a pretty bad way of extracting any value on the river.

Unless your using the KISS method, and realize that your way ahead of his range, so betting is the best option. Realizing that is a big part of his range to make decisions easier then that's fine. Not the best option in my opinion for extracting value though if you have such a 100% read.

Disclosure: I completely missed that a back door flush hit river LOL I'll have to pay more attention! POKER I'm working on it....

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Originally Posted by Carroters

You're gonna have to give a better explanation than this before throwing people unjustified groundless advice.

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Originally Posted by Smith

OK a couple things here. His range is much bigger then a flush draw, and why would you bet so he can't bluff you? Isn't it more +EV to induce a bluff and snap it off? If your 100% sure he has a busted flush draw, betting is a pretty bad way of extracting any value on the river.

Unless your using the KISS method, and realize that your way ahead of his range, so betting is the best option. Realizing that is a big part of his range to make decisions easier then that's fine. Not the best option in my opinion for extracting value though if you have such a 100% read.

Disclosure: I completely missed that a back door flush hit river LOL I'll have to pay more attention! POKER I'm working on it....

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:facepalm: TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

:facepalm: TROLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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This.

Sorry Smith, I was trolling. You're quite right to have picked up that my post was a load of shit and questioned my reasoning though, so kudos for knowing why what I suggested is totally wrong in every way!

Forum Newbie here.
I was trying to figure out what your method to the madness was.
At least it got me thinking, and that's what I'm here for. (and NSFW pics obviously)

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Originally Posted by profnabeshin

Retarded. I was ranging him on hands that made sense to me with calling a raise preflop.


Turns out he had :5d: :kd:

I can't see how he called the flop bet with no draw and no pair. Then I think that the call on turn is -EV. If he doesn't know I have a diamond then he has 9 outs - 18%. Pot odds he is paying closer to 31% for this draw.

I haven't seen this guy again, after he stacked me. Oh well, shit happens- next hand... moving on.

I need to range people better based on their stats rather than hands that make sense to me. Thats the moral of this hand.

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Range is not a verb here. You put people on a range, or decide what range of hands they could have. You don't 'range' people.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...rs-182312.html