Shoved too soon?

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05-21-2010, 08:26 PM
fongvoltfan

Shoved too soon?

Converted::

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($2.91)
MP ($0.37)
CO ($3.01)
Hero (Button) ($3.39)
SB ($0.74)
BB ($5.21)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8:club:, 8:spade:
UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.41) 10:club:, K:heart:, 8:diamond: (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.41) 5:diamond: (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.41, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.29 (All-In), BB raises to $5.11 (All-In), UTG calls $2.40 (All-In)

River: ($9.80) A:diamond: (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $9.80 | Rake: $0.65

Do you think I shoved too soon here? What else could I have done better?
05-21-2010, 08:26 PM
fongvoltfan

How do I use the hand converter?
05-21-2010, 08:29 PM
fongvoltfan

Hand 8c8s Ring Button
05-21-2010, 08:30 PM
sven00100

Converted::

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.02 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

UTG ($2.91)
MP ($0.37)
CO ($3.01)
Hero (Button) ($3.39)
SB ($0.74)
BB ($5.21)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8:club:, 8:spade:
UTG bets $0.10, 1 fold, CO calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.10, 1 fold, BB calls $0.08

Flop: ($0.41) 10:club:, K:heart:, 8:diamond: (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.41) 5:diamond: (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets $0.41, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.29 (All-In), BB raises to $5.11 (All-In), UTG calls $2.40 (All-In)

River: ($9.80) A:diamond: (3 players, 3 all-in)

Total pot: $9.80 | Rake: $0.65

Quote:

Originally Posted by fongvoltfan

How do I use the hand converter?

Go here::
Poker Hand History HH Converter: Full Tilt Poker,PokerStars,PartyPoker
and paste into the input, then hit convert hand.

The line looks fine to me. You win this more times than not, +EV, and if someone had TT or KK, it's a cooler IMO. I think it's almost necessary to get at least a good raise in here... I would have probably raised a little less aggressively than that, maybe $1.25-$2.00 but it's fine if you have a good idea they'll call. Also plz edit your post and paste the converted hand in, so that the results aren't shown.
05-21-2010, 08:37 PM
fongvoltfan

thanks but it's not letting me post url
05-21-2010, 08:46 PM
JR9477

-You can't post converted hands until 10 posts.
-Don't post results, skews our thinking and takes the fun out of it.

I bet flop, let's start building that pot! You're going to get value from Kx and straight draws for sure, and plenty of other junk at 2nl.

I raise the turn to ~$1.25, shoving seems a little overboard.
05-21-2010, 09:56 PM
Imthenewfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR9477

-You can't post converted hands until 10 posts.
-Don't post results, skews our thinking and takes the fun out of it.

I bet flop, let's start building that pot! You're going to get value from Kx and straight draws for sure, and plenty of other junk at 2nl.

I raise the turn to ~$1.25, shoving seems a little overboard.

Doesn't raising 1/3 of our stack on the turn seem a little desperate?
05-21-2010, 10:00 PM
sven00100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

Doesn't raising 1/3 of our stack on the turn seem a little desperate?

I like this here, it's about the minimum you can make a respectable raise, I don't like flatting, or min-raising, this is ~3 times his bet, without being unreasonable. Though this could maybe be avoided by flop action.
05-21-2010, 10:18 PM
Imthenewfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by sven00100

I like this here, it's about the minimum you can make a respectable raise, I don't like flatting, or min-raising, this is ~3 times his bet, without being unreasonable. Though this could maybe be avoided by flop action.

It's a good bet, I just skimmed it and saw that it would be awkward.
05-21-2010, 10:30 PM
sven00100

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

It's a good bet, I just skimmed it and saw that it would be awkward.

Would awkward tend to appear strong or weak to our opponents here?
05-21-2010, 10:41 PM
JR9477

UTG betting pot on turn, when a 5d drops, seems a bit desperate to me.

Anyways, betting ~$1.25 sets up a nice river shove.
05-22-2010, 12:01 AM
deucesomething

bet this flop like always.
05-22-2010, 01:05 AM
nodeg

Yeah. it's an easy bet on the flop. You have to build a pot! And this flop hits a wide range.
05-22-2010, 01:12 AM
Roller

Check the Flop ?

Bet the Flop.
05-22-2010, 05:14 AM
fongvoltfan

At the time, I was getting all my sets and high pocket pairs folded to with a cbet so I didn't want to lose value out of this hand so I let the other players have another card to maybe entice them into betting. I honestly didn't expect a flush draw to call a huge overbet shove and I have any pair/ two pair beat.

Anyways, I realize I should stay disciplined and bet appropriately, especially when I have a strong hand that can be outdrawn. However, does anyone have any tips on bet sizing? on all the streets in this case?

Thanks guys, this is helping a lot
05-22-2010, 11:50 AM
Imthenewfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by sven00100

Would awkward tend to appear strong or weak to our opponents here?

I think it would appear pretty strong as a raise when we checked the BTN on that flop
05-22-2010, 02:19 PM
Ragnar4

Flop check is so bad. Even 1/2 pot bet is better than a flop check here.

Hero's play is fine. I'll bet that hero got rivered for a flush. Even if you did get into a flop pissing match with a set... it's always +ev.

Turn pissing match is the same.
05-23-2010, 04:13 AM
6PoundPoo

Hero probably lost to a straight or a flush.

Shoulda bet the flop.

Better to win a small pot than lose a big one.
05-23-2010, 03:10 PM
Imthenewfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6PoundPoo

Hero probably lost to a straight or a flush.

Shoulda bet the flop.

Better to win a small pot than lose a big one.

If hero was ahead on the turn and lost to a rivered straight or flush he played it perfectly. Getting your money in with great odds like that is always great. I'm not saying checking the flop was okay, but betting the flop isn't meant to take it down, it's meant to build the pot and win a big pot because we flopped a set.

*edit* - there are no straights that got there on the river
05-23-2010, 03:56 PM
mrchevyceleb

yeah i don't think the play is too bad. I would have bet the flop though to build a pot, and getting it in on the turn with lots of draws out there is good. But if you bet the flop for value and protection (caus that board is drawy) your turn shove wouldn't be such a big overbet b/c you would have a lower spr
05-23-2010, 04:05 PM
6PoundPoo

Quote:

Originally Posted by Imthenewfish

*edit* - there are no straights that got there on the river

Try looking again.

With your eyes OPEN
05-23-2010, 05:27 PM
Imthenewfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6PoundPoo

Try looking again.

With your eyes OPEN

0l my bad
05-23-2010, 05:28 PM
Imthenewfish

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrchevyceleb

yeah i don't think the play is too bad. I would have bet the flop though to build a pot, and getting it in on the turn with lots of draws out there is good. But if you bet the flop for value and protection (caus that board is drawy) your turn shove wouldn't be such a big overbet b/c you would have a lower spr

this
06-06-2010, 06:29 AM
fongvoltfan

Thanks guys
06-06-2010, 06:56 AM
littleogre

Op a monkey with Down-syndrome could tell you have a set. Why because you played the same way ever other 2nl player and their mother would play it. Next time bet the flop