Its amazing how many people will bluff at the pot if you check to them on the river.
Note this might not work at less then 100NL and the like.
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Its amazing how many people will bluff at the pot if you check to them on the river.
Note this might not work at less then 100NL and the like.
It does at some tables on the lower limits too :).. when I'm seated at a "backwards table" - you know, the kind where everyone folds to resistance and slowplays their made hands, yet if they sense weakness they throw out heavy bluffs - I'm definately taking this line OOP until people catch on!
(More accurate would be to say that these "backwards players" that I'm seeing rather often, simply will keep playing passively, even with monsters, so as long as you show strength. They'll only become aggressive when you show weakness.. so without slowplaying you're simply not getting much value off of them - these guys used to bleed me dry until I wisened up to their game and adjusted accordingly)
I can promise you that at $/£25, this doesn't tend to work often enough to make it worthwhile. With reads, sure, but in a vacuum, don't bother.
It doesn't even work at 10NL or 20NL in a vacuum.. this realization came to me after I saw a trend to do good at most tables yet REALLY poorly at some others. When it became apparent this wasn't just variance but a real trend, I looked into what caused this and after a while figured out the game of these "backwards players", adjusted my game, and now I'm doing better even when facing those guys.Quote:
Originally Posted by biondino
If you ALWAYS go strong on good hands, and your opponents play passive when you show strength and aggressive when you show weakness, you'll typically be losing a lot and winning a little against them.. quite the opposite of what you ideally want. Mix in a few slowplays and you can thwart this trend.
Actually it's pretty clever.. against most lower limit players who will never really mix up their game, this "backwards" strategy is quite effective lol :)
Yeah your right, I only really started noticing this trend at 400NL.Quote:
Originally Posted by biondino
OK Disclaimer: Don't blame me if this goes wrong for everyone. Listen to biondino people.
:)
You post this at the same time as saying you won $2000.. you do realize now everyone and their mothers is gonna be slowplaying the river right? :D
haha j/k
If i think there chasing I'll always check the river with TP type hands, the amount of times people bluff their busted draws at me is amazing. Even passive players who see a big pot, look down at their 9 high and a check will often take a stab at it.
This is very true!Quote:
Originally Posted by finky
heres an example from a few minutes ago
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Hand #276046321 at table: Table TH 929
Started: Sun Apr 23 19:24:21 2006
All-in4Fun is at seat 1 with 592.80
Timmi2 is at seat 2 with 65.00
DezNutz is at seat 3 with 470.60
Algard is at seat 4 with 314.70
I.Rush9 is at seat 5 with 400.00
artvandlei is at seat 6 with 92.60
zwerg4 is at seat 7 with 0.00
luckmaker is at seat 8 with 149.80
theis hald is at seat 9 with 769.10
Robbo2 is at seat 10 with 429.70
Timmi2 posts the large blind 4.00
All-in4Fun posts the small blind 2.00
All-in4Fun: Ks, Qh
Pre-flop:
DezNutz: Fold
Algard: Call 4.00
I.Rush9: Fold
artvandlei: Fold
luckmaker: Fold
theis hald: Fold
All-in4Fun: Call 4.00
Timmi2: Check
Flop (Board: Qs, 10d, 10s):
All-in4Fun: Bet 8.00
Timmi2: Call 8.00
Algard: Fold
Turn (Board: Qs, 10d, 10s, Ah):
All-in4Fun: Bet 16.00
Timmi2: Call 16.00
River (Board: Qs, 10d, 10s, Ah, 3c):
All-in4Fun: Check
Timmi2: Bet 16.00
All-in4Fun: Call 16.00
Showdown:
Timmi2 shows: 2s, 7s (a pair of Tens)
All-in4Fun shows: Ks, Qh (two pair, Queens and Tens)
Mainpot:
All-in4Fun wins the pot of 89.00 with two pair, Queens and Tens
Checking turn behind in position works well too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Irisheyes