When it all goes wrong

*Sigh* seems that every idiot and his dog got lucky tonight. I had more pocket Js, Ks, As then I've ever had (I got 5 AA in 3 hours) and I only won once of any of those hands. One idiot matched my all in on the flop with a pair of threes (he had 3Qo pf and matched my 8BB prf raise... stupid assmuncher) and rivered up to beat my KK with two pair. Another fool raised AI preflop when I had AA. He had Q 9, and the flop brings a 9, the turn brings a 9 and to add insult to injury the river gives him a Q.... I guess I should be happy these people exist... but when you loose 4 buy ins and 2 $5 S'n'G's from bad beats.... anything I can do to make this downswing a bit better? Tighten up or just keep playing my game? I probably should have stopped at 2 buy ins loss, but I got dealt KK right after AA in one case so I thought I should definately stick around to play that (ended up losing).

The Js you need to be cautious with, they're not that great of a hand. But there are not enough details her to comment on that. AI preflop with your As and Ks is just unfortunate. YOu have to remind yourself that poker is only down to luck in the short-term, in the long run it all evens out. If you looked at your play history you'd find there have been times when you've had stints of good fortune too. Though it can be hard to spot at times as the bad tends to stain memories more readily.

You can't let this stuff bother you. What more can you ask for?

Keep getting the money in the middle of the table when you have the best of it and let the cards fall where they may.

Never bite the hand that feeds u.

Do u see why ?

Thought I'd post in some of the hands; see if im doing anything wrong:

***** Hand History for Game 2698298452 *****
$10 NL Texas Hold'em
Table Beginners #1054708 (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 3: renegaderob1 ( $36.25 )
Seat 8: jammy68 ( $10.25 )
Seat 10: nyckeln ( $9.85 )
Seat 9: RiverRollerX ( $6.55 )
Seat 6: bhockey333 ( $10.05 )
Seat 4: Jinx0101 ( $9.65 )
Seat 7: CaliPrncess ( $11.70 )
bhockey333 posts small blind [$0.05].
RiverRollerX: awwww
CaliPrncess posts big blind [$0.10].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to renegaderob1 [ Ah Ad ]
jammy68 folds.
RiverRollerX calls [$0.10].
nyckeln folds.
renegaderob1 raises [$3].
Jinx0101 calls [$3].
bhockey333 folds.
Bluelight112 has joined the table.
CaliPrncess folds.
RiverRollerX folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3d, 8h, Tc ]
renegaderob1 bets [$3].
Jinx0101 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 6c ]
renegaderob1 bets [$3.65].
Jinx0101 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ 9d ]
renegaderob1 shows [ Ah, Ad ] a pair of aces.
Jinx0101 shows [ 7s, 7d ] a straight, six to ten.
Jinx0101 wins $18.60 from the main pot with a straight, six to ten.

***** Hand History for Game 2738286225 *****
$5 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 19, 08:24:54 EDT 2005
Table Beginners #1054705 (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: vovo_leo ( $9.15 )
Seat 6: PugConDoin ( $9.31 )
Seat 9: Muhahahahaz ( $7.56 )
Seat 4: renegaderob1 ( $6.04 )
Seat 10: Ainoa_ ( $4.22 )
Seat 5: pottsie888 ( $8.54 )
Seat 3: w1ze_guy ( $5 )
Seat 2: bigbadbeatle ( $4.92 )
Seat 8: joelinit ( $6.46 )
Seat 7: xxxsamxxxAA ( $4.50 )
xxxsamxxxAA posts small blind [$0.02].
joelinit posts big blind [$0.04].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to renegaderob1 [ Ks Kd ]
Muhahahahaz raises [$0.20].
Ainoa_ folds.
vovo_leo folds.
>You have options at Table 36571 (6 max) Table!.
bigbadbeatle calls [$0.20].
w1ze_guy folds.
renegaderob1 raises [$1].
pottsie888 folds.
PugConDoin folds.
xxxsamxxxAA folds.
joelinit calls [$0.96].
Muhahahahaz calls [$0.80].
bigbadbeatle calls [$0.80].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 2c, Js, 3s ]
joelinit checks.
>You have options at Table 36571 (6 max) Table!.
Muhahahahaz bets [$1].
bigbadbeatle calls [$1].
renegaderob1 is all-In.
joelinit folds.
Muhahahahaz calls [$4.04].
bigbadbeatle is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
Muhahahahaz shows [ Ah, Jc ] a pair of jacks.
bigbadbeatle shows [ Qs, 3h ] two pairs, queens and threes.
renegaderob1 shows [ Ks, Kd ] a pair of kings.
renegaderob1 wins $2.09 from side pot #1 with a pair of kings.
bigbadbeatle wins $15.03 from the main pot with two pairs, queens and threes.

***** Hand History for Game 2737547701 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 19, 01:40:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 37076 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: eeeee42 ( $24.25 )
Seat 2: welshhp ( $8.80 )
Seat 3: finish__ ( $25.35 )
Seat 4: think___CALL ( $37.10 )
Seat 7: starfunbunch ( $40.86 )
Seat 8: Snakeyes2676 ( $90.30 )
Seat 9: ROY_LEE ( $51.01 )
Seat 6: renegaderob1 ( $29.60 )
Seat 10: JMorphin ( $23.45 )
Seat 5: TomTrivia ( $24.85 )
welshhp posts small blind [$0.10].
finish__ posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to renegaderob1 [ Qd Qs ]
think___CALL folds.
TomTrivia folds.
renegaderob1 raises [$1.50].
starfunbunch folds.
Snakeyes2676 folds.
ROY_LEE folds.
JMorphin folds.
eeeee42 folds.
welshhp calls [$1.40].
finish__ folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Td, Qc ]
welshhp bets [$3.10].
renegaderob1 raises [$8].
welshhp is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
renegaderob1 shows [ Qd, Qs ] three of a kind, queens.
welshhp shows [ Jd, Ks ] a straight, ten to ace.
renegaderob1 wins $0.70 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, queens.
welshhp wins $17 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.

***** Hand History for Game 2709198146 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em
Table Table 36611 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: bmckendr ( $72.09 )
Seat 2: KalleK00 ( $22.60 )
Seat 3: vsnslr007 ( $39 )
Seat 5: ran6660 ( $26.30 )
Seat 6: renegaderob1 ( $42 )
Seat 4: erosvideo ( $24.75 )
bmckendr: k a
erosvideo posts small blind [$0.10].
ran6660 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to renegaderob1 [ Qs Qh ]
renegaderob1 raises [$1.50].
>You have options at Table 36585 (6 max) Table!.
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bmckendr folds.
KalleK00 calls [$1.50].
vsnslr007 folds.
erosvideo folds.
ran6660 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8c, Js, 5c ]
renegaderob1 bets [$4.50].
KalleK00 calls [$4.50].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
renegaderob1 bets [$16.61].
KalleK00 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ Kd ]
renegaderob1 shows [ Qs, Qh ] a pair of queens.
KalleK00 shows [ Qc, Kc ] a pair of kings.
renegaderob1 wins $0.01 from side pot #1 with a pair of queens.
KalleK00 wins $43.30 from the main pot with a pair of kings.

***** Hand History for Game 2719881323 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em
Table Table 36673 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: Brizzle05 ( $12.40 )
Seat 5: renegaderob1 ( $69.61 )
Seat 6: DephinusOrca ( $66 )
Seat 4: muleyJD ( $5.25 )
muleyJD posts small blind [$0.10].
renegaderob1 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to renegaderob1 [ Kc Ks ]
DephinusOrca calls [$0.25].
Brizzle05 folds.
muleyJD calls [$0.15].
renegaderob1 raises [$1.75].
DephinusOrca folds.
muleyJD is all-In.
renegaderob1 calls [$3.25].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4s, 2h, Jh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 9h ]
** Dealing River ** [ Ah ]
renegaderob1 shows [ Kc, Ks ] a pair of kings.
muleyJD shows [ 3c, 3h ] a flush, ace high.
muleyJD wins $10.25 from the main pot with a flush, ace high.

I'm actually pretty ashamed of this one; i dunno what I was thinking, I think it was my last hand before I decided to give up and call it a day, I'd definately say tilt :( :

***** Hand History for Game 2732541381 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, September 18, 08:52:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 36636 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: anenigma2 ( $83.65 )
Seat 3: decaunteton ( $11.95 )
Seat 4: kdrock ( $22.75 )
Seat 5: kencaldwell ( $14.35 )
Seat 6: likepike ( $19.55 )
Seat 2: renegaderob1 ( $24.05 )
likepike posts small blind [$0.10].
anenigma2 posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to renegaderob1 [ Kc Ac ]
>You have options at Table 36974 (6 max) Table!.
renegaderob1 raises [$1].
decaunteton folds.
kdrock folds.
kencaldwell folds.
likepike folds.
anenigma2 calls [$0.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ks, Ad, 9h ]
>You have options at Table 54844 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
anenigma2 checks.
>You have options at Table 36974 (6 max) Table!.
renegaderob1 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ Td ]
anenigma2 bets [$0.25].
renegaderob1 raises [$2].
anenigma2 raises [$4.75].
renegaderob1 raises [$6].
>You have options at Table 36974 (6 max) Table!.
anenigma2 raises [$20].
>You have options at Table 36974 (6 max) Table!.
renegaderob1 is all-In.
** Dealing River ** [ 3c ]
anenigma2 shows [ Jd, Qh ] a straight, ten to ace.
renegaderob1 doesn't show [ Kc, Ac ] two pairs, aces and kings.
>You have options at Table 54844 (6 max) (No DP) Table!.
anenigma2 wins $1.95 from side pot #1 with a straight, ten to ace.
anenigma2 wins $45.80 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.
likepike has left the table.

I don't think you've really done anything wrong by the look of those hands. T'was a good day for the fish, but your fortunes will turn.

You've identified that you played badly on the last hand and looking at your other hands it is most likely tilt, depending on your read you might have folded after the $4.75 but the $20 should have pushed a fold on your part lest he be known to bluff on a big scale.

I suppose the lesson is not only to tollerate suck outs, but also to know when to quit for the day due to tilting.

I can't believe someone called your all in bet with a pair of 3's and rivers the queen for two pair... play against this person any chance you get.

I can do you one better...

I have AA and raise preflop. Get a single caller. Board comes QQK rainbow. I raise get reraised, I reraise all in, get called.... turn is J, river is J.... the guy turns over JT offsuit for the win.

I can see his logic- if he had TJ with QK on the board, any 9 or A would have given him a straight, I see people call with an open end straight draw all the times especially with two cards to come. It was a bad beat that he got JJ to match his J, but any A or 9 would have just been hitting his draw. I don't know what the value of the bet and pot is so can't comment on pot odds (and chances are he/she had no idea about these odds either), but it might not actually be as bad a call as it sounds.

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Originally Posted by satan1974

I can see his logic- if he had TJ with QK on the board, any 9 or A would have given him a straight, I see people call with an open end straight draw all the times especially with two cards to come. It was a bad beat that he got JJ to match his J, but any A or 9 would have just been hitting his draw. I don't know what the value of the bet and pot is so can't comment on pot odds (and chances are he/she had no idea about these odds either), but it might not actually be as bad a call as it sounds.

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You're right, but he didn't have pot odds (I put him all in) and I had reraised someones preflop raise and he called both to stay in the hand. You're right, he had some outs, but on a board were someone could have a made full house... considering the strength I showed preflop KK was not out of the question...

So he's betting with the second best hand hoping to improve to a hand that may still be second best... and he'll take that risk with all his chips?? Seems to be negative EV all the way.

And this is not even my worst JT beat, I posted a hand history from another one in a different thread... sorry to rant and hijack the post. Thanks for listening and for the feedback. :D

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Originally Posted by renegaderob1

***** Hand History for Game 2737547701 *****
$25 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 19, 01:40:57 EDT 2005
Table Table 37076 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: eeeee42 ( $24.25 )
Seat 2: welshhp ( $8.80 )
Seat 3: finish__ ( $25.35 )
Seat 4: think___CALL ( $37.10 )
Seat 7: starfunbunch ( $40.86 )
Seat 8: Snakeyes2676 ( $90.30 )
Seat 9: ROY_LEE ( $51.01 )
Seat 6: renegaderob1 ( $29.60 )
Seat 10: JMorphin ( $23.45 )
Seat 5: TomTrivia ( $24.85 )
welshhp posts small blind [$0.10].
finish__ posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to renegaderob1 [ Qd Qs ]
think___CALL folds.
TomTrivia folds.
renegaderob1 raises [$1.50].
starfunbunch folds.
Snakeyes2676 folds.
ROY_LEE folds.
JMorphin folds.
eeeee42 folds.
welshhp calls [$1.40].
finish__ folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Ac, Td, Qc ]
welshhp bets [$3.10].
renegaderob1 raises [$8].
welshhp is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9h ]
renegaderob1 shows [ Qd, Qs ] three of a kind, queens.
welshhp shows [ Jd, Ks ] a straight, ten to ace.
renegaderob1 wins $0.70 from side pot #1 with three of a kind, queens.
welshhp wins $17 from the main pot with a straight, ten to ace.

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I love reading posts and recognizing that three of the poeple at the table are FTR posters. :o
They weren't involved int he hand, so you can't take it out on 'em, though.
You played this right, IMO.
I'm going to check my PT stats to see if I've ever played you, Rob. Then I'm going to put in a note so I remember you're FTR-bro.

EasyT.

Ah yes, I remember you commenting in the chat about your misfortune.

I was at your table as well.

Maybe raise more than 1.50 with Queens??

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Originally Posted by sunfunbunch

Ah yes, I remember you commenting in the chat about your misfortune.

I was at your table as well.

Maybe raise more than 1.50 with Queens??

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Preflop as an opener? Definitely not. You want people to pay to play the hand, but you don't want to force out any/all action you might be getting.

Hey Renagade Rob --
I have a real small sample on you from sitting at the tables last night. I didn't do too well either, and didn't have enough sense to get up and move.
Out of 183 hands I played with you, you were fairly evenly distributed on position
button 23%
co 23%
co-1 31%
mp3 44%
mp2 31%
mp1 20%
ep2 33%
ep1 11%
bb 23%
sb 65%

Again, this is a small sample, but I think your play should be weighted to the button, co, and bb/sb, but you are playing 29% of your hands, and playing many from the middle. Fold that KJ in EP. You lost $66 at this table. Move if you lose two buyins. My six cents.

BTW, I only took $3.50 from you, after you won 4 hands and I won 6. :wink:
See you at the tables.

Hey eeee,

thanks for that post, I hadn't looked at my position stats until now - they pretty much match what you posted although I play 32% of hands from the button over a larger sample (less from SB). I'll definately have to change that, althought I never play junk unless I'm BB and I can check or unless I'm playing a tourny(most of my early - mid position plays are either limps with OK cards, low PP or Axs unless I get a monster that is)

I really have to learn to give up KJ, even if I limp and get a K or J on the board; I'm making 3.28 BB/100 with KJs and -2.62BB/100 with KJo.

I didn't realise how many FTR posters I'd been playing against! I've had a look through my pokertracker and noticed a few other names from here. Is there a post where people have put up their screen names from poker rooms?

Just wanted to say thanks to everyone that replied :D
Had a good day today ($125 profit :) ) and all the hints really helped - I continued to play my game but tightened up in earlier positions (especially that KJo). Hopefully this will keep up for a bit - I want to get my BR up to $450 by the end of two weeks (I'm currently just over $200).

See you all at the tables :wink:

playing 29% of your hands is playing 10% too many