At what point to you stop chalking it up to "running ba

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07-11-2005, 05:27 PM
RHCNNN

At what point to you stop chalking it up to "running ba

I've been in a horrible break-even rut recently where I feel I should be winning substantially (obviously I feel that way, I know Iknow).
But I mean in both SnGs, and Cash games. I have been playing big pots with people who overvalue their hands and can't get away from marginal ones. Getting them all in with literally 3-6 outs and losing an overwhelming portion of the time.

I don't have any HH, but I mean things like AK vs A10 with an ace on the flop then all in after the flop.

KK vs. j8 all in on a flop of 789. ( i know my hand is not invincible here, but I mean variations of this situation repeatedly I should win mostly right?)

My latest one, I re-raise bluff a guy out of a pot and show him. Shortly after he raises a pot with me again. And I reraise with top pair, knowing he'll put me on a bluff again. To my delight he goes all in with bottom pair. I have q10, he has 63 and the board is 3810. He rivers the 6.

I have lost SOOOO many of these type of dominating hands recently. For like the past 2 weeks straight, and that is no exageration. They are big pots, where I get all in in a dominating situation. I've been trying to tell myself they only have 3-6 outs, and I made the right play. But is it? Do "bad cards" really last this long? OR is my tactic of playing big pots with predictable opponents weak because I'm gambling such a large portion of my stack at once?
07-11-2005, 05:31 PM
BobbySalami

If your gettin all your chips in when you have the best of it, there is nothing more you can do. If you never make mistakes and get all your chips in when your ahead you will most definately be a winning player....

Luck will even out, and things will start rolling your way again, just dont let a bad run put you on tilt and have you make bad decisions.
07-11-2005, 06:47 PM
dstir2

you definately can't let plays like this get you down. while it does suck that you have experienced such an unlucky streak, odds are odds, so the numbers will eventually even out. i know for myself last night, i min-raised AA, and another guy went AI with QQ, of course i called, but he caught his set and i lost 50$. Five minutes later, against the same guy, i hold 22, him AJ. flop comes JJ2. Let's just say that i got my money, and a lot more back (85$ in all). I could've let my bad beat drive anxiousness into my great flop, but I stayed cool and slowplayed it and made a fool out of the guy. There will also be times your luck will turn completely around, and you won't lose any hands it seems like. Just remember, being successful in poker is all about handling the hands between our big winners. I shoot to play even between my big winning hands. This allows me not to put too much pressure on myself.
07-11-2005, 10:24 PM
RHCNNN

AGAIN!!!

this is EXACTLY what i mean

Getting Hand History Information...
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Hand #7029590-108 at SnG-0010r (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 11/Jul/05 22:22:02

msweis is at seat 2 with 2660.
rhcnnn is at seat 3 with 12340.
The button is at seat 3.

rhcnnn posts the small blind of 100.
msweis posts the big blind of 200.

msweis: -- --
rhcnnn: 9s Jc

Pre-flop:

rhcnnn calls. msweis checks.

Flop (board: 7s 8c 9c):

msweis bets 200. rhcnnn goes all-in for 12140.
msweis goes all-in for 2460. rhcnnn is returned 9680
(uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

msweis shows 8s 3d.
rhcnnn shows 9s Jc.

Turn (board: 7s 8c 9c 3s):

(no action in this round)

River (board: 7s 8c 9c 3s 4s):

(no action in this round)

Showdown:

msweis has 8s 3d 8c 9c 3s: two pair, eights and threes.
rhcnnn has 9s Jc 7s 8c 9c: a pair of nines.

Hand #7029590-108 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
msweis wins 5320 with two pair, eights and threes.
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07-11-2005, 10:26 PM
RHCNNN

reter

this is after pushing her around and showing bluffs up the ass... I know i can get her to call.... and BOOOOM!!!!! 3 on the turn
it just makes me fucking sick.

2 weeeks of this shit
07-11-2005, 10:42 PM
RHCNNN

dsgds

Getting Hand History Information...
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Hand #7029590-157 at SnG-0010r (No Limit Hold'em Sit and Go)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 11/Jul/05 22:41:31

msweis is at seat 2 with 1270.
rhcnnn is at seat 3 with 13730.
The button is at seat 2.

msweis posts the small blind of 200.
rhcnnn posts the big blind of 400.

msweis: -- --
rhcnnn: Jc Kc

Pre-flop:

msweis calls. rhcnnn raises to 2900. msweis goes
all-in for 1270. rhcnnn is returned 1630 (uncalled).

Tournament all-in showdown -- players show:

msweis shows 2c Js.
rhcnnn shows Jc Kc.

Flop (board: Qd 6s 3s):

(no action in this round)

Turn (board: Qd 6s 3s 3h):

(no action in this round)

River (board: Qd 6s 3s 3h 2d):

(no action in this round)

Showdown:

msweis has 2c Qd 3s 3h 2d: two pair, threes and deuces.
rhcnnn has Jc Kc Qd 3s 3h: a pair of threes.

Hand #7029590-157 Summary:

No rake is taken for this hand.
msweis wins 2540 with two pair, threes and deuces.
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07-11-2005, 10:46 PM
RHCNNN

dfgfd

That was a 10 person tourney. I ended up winning... but I mean seriously I had her double up like 4 times when she was dominated. And over the past couple of weeks this type of shit has been knocking me out of tournies. Its SOOOOOO frustrating.

Whats the longest run of bad cards you ever had?
07-11-2005, 10:59 PM
BobbySalami

dwelling on bad beats will only compound your bad beats and lower your level of play.....

Bad beats are like paying the bills....your making money, but rent is due every once in awhile. Just take it for what it is and keep playing your game.
07-12-2005, 07:22 AM
Dassin

Hrm... Longest run of bad cards... probably this past 2 weeks. Dropped my bankroll from $530 to $200.
07-12-2005, 08:13 AM
res1cue

Re: dfgfd

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHCNNN

That was a 10 person tourney. I ended up winning... but I mean seriously I had her double up like 4 times when she was dominated. And over the past couple of weeks this type of shit has been knocking me out of tournies. Its SOOOOOO frustrating.

Whats the longest run of bad cards you ever had?

Here is some advice for you. Take a break from poker. Do something else for a week and then come back to it. It seriously works. Its good for you and your game.
later
07-12-2005, 10:50 AM
Drewbie

Sound Advice Res1cue.
That has worked for me on many occasions.
07-12-2005, 12:53 PM
Element187

the bad beat forum is a few more down.. this is for discussing strategies .. not luck.
07-12-2005, 01:11 PM
RHCNNN

Re: At what point to you stop chalking it up to "runnin

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHCNNN

Do "bad cards" really last this long? OR is my tactic of playing big pots with predictable opponents weak because I'm gambling such a large portion of my stack at once?

READ THE WHOLE THING IF YOU'RE GOING TO RESPOND LIKE A SMARTASS
07-12-2005, 01:31 PM
EricE

I have often wondered how much of “bad runs” are luck and how much is poor playing chalked up to bad luck. I don’t have enough experience in poker to say either way but I have to think sometimes people are just deluding themselves. I am not saying that is the case here…just talking in general. Since that is my belief, any time I think things are not going well I go back to the basics and examine my assumptions and my game. I look at it this way. Perhaps it is bad luck. If that is the case then examining my game won’t hurt anything. If it is really a problem with my game then I may find it and solve it to put me back on course.

Anyway, GL to you.
07-12-2005, 02:01 PM
Rondavu

You're playing a high variance style. You're plan is to drop the hammer while you're ahead. You'll win money. You'll also have long bad streaks once in a while like this. This is what your style asks for and is rewarded with. The results are a product of the technique.
07-12-2005, 02:14 PM
RHCNNN

dfgfgf

^^^^
Thanks for a practical answer rondavu... thats the type of thing I was looking for
07-13-2005, 01:46 AM
Element187

Re: At what point to you stop chalking it up to "runnin

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHCNNN

Quote:

Originally Posted by RHCNNN

Do "bad cards" really last this long? OR is my tactic of playing big pots with predictable opponents weak because I'm gambling such a large portion of my stack at once?

READ THE WHOLE THING IF YOU'RE GOING TO RESPOND LIKE A SMARTASS

:roll:
07-21-2005, 10:22 AM
TalentedTom

As long as you have the bankrol to support this swing and you claim to be breaking even you really have nothing to complain about... this is a strategy forum last time i checked.