Poker pet peeves

Originally Posted by Waggho

No it´s not a useless raise. It´s a potbuilding raise. If you think you have the best hand, then a raise is correct. You could argue that he should raise more, but a $1 raise here is certainly not useless. And you don´t need magical hands as you only need your hand to hold up in more than one time in six in a six-way pot.

Maybe it would be more accurate to say it annoys me to death and slows down the hand... how's that? Also it bumps up the likelihood of a pissing match - someone raising another couple dollars just because they're annoyed. Suddenly these two guys end up all-in with pocket 8s and KJ. Which they're welcome to do, but they're forcing me off some decent hands that I want to play.

You're right that all you need is for your hand to hold up a certain % of the time for this to be a profitable move. However - if poker is already a game of exploiting slim statistical advantages, this technique makes those advantages even slimmer. Instead of getting into a two or three way pot where you are a favorite to win, you are getting into bigger pots with more people where you might be lucky to be a 25% favorite. In addition, those premium hands become harder to play because of the sheer diversity of opponents in the pot. Let's say you are heads-up with someone holding AK, and the flop is Kc Qc 9h... pretty good flop. You'd bet that hard and expect to win most of the time. In a six way pot, you could be up against a straight or two pair. You've probably got straight and flush draws out there. Any bet you put out short of pushing all-in, you will get called by a couple people - who will have pretty good pot odds - and if the next card is a 10? a J? a club? Your AK might still be best but you may never know. You actually lose some of your statistical edge because you've set yourself up for a hand that is dangerous and hard to navigate correctly.

To me the purpose of raising is to drive out lesser hands, increase your statistical edge on each hand you choose to play, and therefore profit more easily on a hand-by-hand basis. If you elect to just juice the pot and constantly play even your premium hands against four or five opponents, you're going to have to be a better player to turn anywhere close to the same profit in the short or long run.

I´m with you. Your points are good.

I hate people who say "you're bluffing" then fold.

-Fishmagician

Originally Posted by elanto

people who complain about theyre aces getting cracked after they slow played them pre flop, checked the flop and turn and then push in the river...when i have a str8 or flush


-anto

Why is this a peeve? You are taking their money. If they want to keep playing that way, I will listen to their banter while taking their chips.

New pet peeve that has plagued me all day today: sitting with fish I know I can take money off of, and getting absolutely no hands to work with. I'm sitting right behind a guy right now who is pre-flop raising with mediocre hands about 50% of the time (then usually checking the flop... weird), and all I need is some decent cards to start playing back at him and take his money... and what am I getting? T4 suited, 34 offsuit, etc. etc. For three orbits in a row now, nothing but crap. I almost guarantee he'll fold the first hand I get something, and then leave the table.

huge pet peeve (especially on Party where you can be shown as male or female):
When female players chat it up and pretend to be young, drunk, and horny as a distraction. I mean, if you're going to do that, you might as well be playing live where it might actually work as an awesome bluffing technique. Either that or hit the street corner where there's more money to be made.

betting into a dry pot, ok sure i dont mind

people who bet on the button because everyone checked.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

New pet peeve that has plagued me all day today: sitting with fish I know I can take money off of, and getting absolutely no hands to work with. I'm sitting right behind a guy right now who is pre-flop raising with mediocre hands about 50% of the time (then usually checking the flop... weird), and all I need is some decent cards to start playing back at him and take his money... and what am I getting? T4 suited, 34 offsuit, etc. etc. For three orbits in a row now, nothing but crap. I almost guarantee he'll fold the first hand I get something, and then leave the table.

ya i hear ya, i just lost $30 at the $1-2 tables on vc because i was getting 10,4 J,3 for a freakin HOUR

Originally Posted by jmontis

people who bet on the button because everyone checked.

Nonsense. That's what the button (and red cards) are for.

I'll put this here because it doesn't deserve its own thread: not getting a chance to play premium cards. Today I got dealt two red aces in the small blind. As the action slowly goes around the table I'm waiting for someone - anyone - to pre-flop raise. Nothing... they all fold. OK, fine. So I complete my blind with no raise, hoping to maybe make a little something off the big blind. Nope: he actually folds his hand instead of checking it and taking a flop. Grrrrrrrr.

I fucking hate bastard trash talkers who are nonsense and hold on a dry pot...it's a waste

my pet peeve is idiots bumping 6 year old threads.

but now that it is bumped, i find it interesting to read these old posts. everyone had such quaint views on how to play poker back then. the things that folks used to complain about in 2004 are the very things that make money for me today... calling stations, chasers, bluffers... that's exactly what you want in a game, but it's much harder to find post-UIGEA.

ChezJ

Originally Posted by ChezJ

my pet peeve is idiots bumping 6 year old threads.

but now that it is bumped, i find it interesting to read these old posts. everyone had such quaint views on how to play poker back then. the things that folks used to complain about in 2004 are the very things that make money for me today... calling stations, chasers, bluffers... that's exactly what you want in a game, but it's much harder to find post-UIGEA.

ChezJ

Pet peave: Replying to 6 year old threads that have been bumped

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Fish on a heater