*** WHITE WALKER WEREWOLF (FUUUU BLACK WALKERS) ***

Came back late the same night. Here's my defense post:

Originally Posted by DanAronG

I have no reason to think we should believe SDM. That same post makes perfect sense from a dying wolf.

As a wolf, a better play would be to try to proclaim innocence as a villager. A successful attempt at doing so means all 3 wolves live plus the angel could still be converted. Claiming to be the vig when I'm not the vig just means that I die in the next turn guaranteed because I get shot by the real vigilante. Even in the event that the angel protects me and gets converted, it's still 3 wolves total instead of a possible 4 in the former scenario. Coming out as the vigilante is a suboptimal play as a wolf. I wouldn't do it.
As everyone can see, nobody else stepped up claiming to be the vigilante. That alone should lend a lot of weight to my claim - if I survive past night 2, then everyone should be as sure as they can be that I'm the real vigilante. I even plan to call out my shot on day 2 for even more confirmatory goodness.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

also people telling SDM who to shoot is retarded because then the wolves can steer us away from themselves and they can be sure they will not nomm the same person the vig shoots....seems like a -ev situation for us

While it's true that the wolves can influence the vote, it's also true that they're in the vast minority. Being able to shoot the same target that the wolves kill is a downside, but it's either democracy and the wolves avoid getting a useless nom or you trust me to make intelligent shots.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

Don't rescind SDM. We, as a village, keep showing a lack of willingness to punish him for his selfishness. The only way to make him play properly, ie looking out for the best interest of his team as opposed to just trying to keep himself alive, is to kill him on day 1. Come on guys, we're poker players, we've all read some game theory, it's tit-for-tat. He needs to die on day one. An incredible threat is meaningless. Lynch that fucker!

Look at the previous two games. In the last one, I died early on after admitting I was not the seer before the real seer came out (something that I should not have done if I was only concerned about my survival). In the game before that, I lynched myself early on in the game in an attempt to guide the village in the right direction. Can you describe either of those two moves as "selfish"?
If you think for a second that killing me on day 1 is going to "teach me a lesson", you'd better put that out of your head right now. I'm not going to change my style.

Originally Posted by profnabeshin

Sounds like a good plan if he is a wolf to out himself as the Vig, one of two things happen:
1: he is a wolf and converts the angel to their side way early in the game
2: if he isn't the vig and someone else stands up that they Are the real vig... they are going to be eaten that night. So this seems like a good play if he is a white walker imo

1: see above, it's not an optimal play in my opinion.
2: if someone else stands up saying they're the vig, almost for sure one of the vig claimants is a wolf and is thus going down. Even if the angel protects the wrong vig and gets converted it's still a best case of 3 wolves total (instead of a possible 4 if I claim to be a villager and live, and the angel gets converted).

Originally Posted by Warpe

SDM's play forces the Angel to protect him or forces the real Vig to shoot him or forces the wolves to convert him or forces the village to lynch him. This is also known as being retarded.

The quick bandwagon on me forced my hand. I'm sorry about that.

lynch shotglass

I'm hopping on the only other bandwagon that's taking off right now. I'm not a big fan of timing tells after what happened with JV/fulksy a few games prior.

I count 6 votes for shotglass so far.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

The Bolded is wrong, and it's wrong on the very first level.

If you are a walker, We find out definitively that you are a walker, and then we find out that we lose our angel, who's never outted himself, and then we find out that we've lost a village, and we lose a night because we still have to lynch you.

Sorry homey, but you're assuming the angel is a villager. He's a villager now, but by the endgame, he's either dead or a converted walker. I'm not sure why he did it, but lolzzz structured the game in such a way that the specials are liabilities. I mean, tell me what value the angel actually has for us. Seriously, tell me. He can't protect himself and he can't protect a seer. There's 90% of his value in normal games. But even now if he accidentally saves a walker, he then becomes a walker. This makes him a huge liability. The probability of this happening increases exponentially after every day unless he chooses to save the same person every night. The value the angel is for the village is on the super small chance that the walkers accidentally try to nom the same person he's protecting, then the walkers accidentally nom the angel at a later date. Only if we ran reeeeally good would we be able to find all the walkers while the angel is still alive and not a convert

The vig is equally a liability. If SDM is the vig then he's not a liability since the village knows who to lynch if the vig is converted. Unless this is another crazy SDM villager ruse, but I doubt it.

Look at it this way: if the vig and angel are not outed and the angel is saving a different person every night then the first night the walkers have roughly a 1/9 chance of converting a walker (by one angel save shot and one vig nom shot), then next night it's 1/8, then next night 1/7, next night 1/6, next 1/5. This is assuming the vig doesn't shoot anybody and the walkers don't accidentally lose a nom for the couple reasons they could.

I'm no good at math, but it looks to me that if the game just plays out like normal then the walkers have a greater than 50% to increase their power by at least 25%. Sadly, the most important thing for the angel and vig to do are simply not get converted. Their powers are too weak, and conversion is too easy and too much of a threat. It's a mistake to even call them angel and vig IMO because their powers are sucky compared to what they normally are. They should be more like the fallen angel and the mercenary. They could be good, but they also could be bad and they don't serve that good a purpose anyways

But keep in mind, what I laid out I believe actually uses them to their peak potential for this game. This is that we need an outed vig and the angel to protect him and only him until death

If you are a villager, The walkers figure it out, and you're dead meat anyway because known villagers don't survive, something you've demonstrated that you've internalized as early as the first WW we played together in. Yet here you are, contradicting yourself.

What do you mean? They already know I'm a villager. Me being a potential special isn't an issue for them either since 1) the walkers don't actually want to kill the angel. The angel is a potential convert. They gain next to nothing by nomming him since his save powers suck, and they're hoping that the angel is actually looking to convert so they increase their team power by 25%. The ONLY time the walkers want a dead angel is if he finds a villager and protects him over and over. Because then he serves no more purpose for them. The ability to save the same person as a nom is really just a minor inconvenience. There's a reason the angel is supposed to be able to save himself, not be convertible, and is used in games with a protectable seer. None of those are the case here. And 2) the walkers likely already know who the vig is. While it's not confirmed, there is high probability that SDM is the vig.

Also, your defense post of "go on ahead and lynch me" smacks of wolfie double-talk and reverse psychology. I've fallen for that once. Now if only I could remember who it was that got me with that gambit the first time....

I've actually never used that one for myself. I'm not particularly trying to defend myself, I'm trying to defend my idea. The village are huge dogs here. The specials are incredibly important for village success, but the ones in this game are relatively impotent compared to normal games, and it's so bad that they can actually be turned to the dark side. Answer this: what's worse: both angel and vig dying tonight, or one of them being unknown yet being converted to walker? The answer is the latter is much worse. This is because the probability of at least one of them being converted is extremely high, while their powers while living are frankly not that great.

Why do you want to get lynch trains going, and have "quicker days"? You yourself have said that "quick days help the wolves" and vet players know this intrinsicly.

I'm not sure I've said that. I think Keith has said that. If I did say that, I kinda don't care. I'm ever evolving my play. Notice I bolded philly and rilla today. I've said many times I won't bold good players early on, but honestly I just don't care about that. I got butthurt over my awesome seer game not lasting, and I got butthurt by losing the last game because I got looked up. They're fucking curveballs that make my best laid of plans go awry. My new rule is to just do what I wanna do

just for the record this is the most boring / annoying day 1 since redzilla got lynched when he was the seer

im sure if shotglass ends up being a villager or something this post'll get quoted some time down the line and be like 'hey look penny (sic) was pushing day 1 along when he knew shotglass was a villager har har'

or even possibly 'omg he's not lynching sdm out of favouritism'

guys I've always been one to erro n the side of caution when it comes to lynching someone who claims a special role, look back at my previous WW performances, I even was hesitant to lynch warpe in the alpha wolf WW game after he got converted and claimed to be the angel or some shit and it was painfully obvious he was a wolf.

in this case it's just -EV to lynch SDM here, outing as a vig would be so so bad for a wolf to do even in this format. worst case is we let a wolf live and real vig will shoot when he gets his bullet.

y'all were on the 'ok let's teach SDM a lesson so lynch him on day 1' kick, which is fine, but don't get all pissed and insist on still lynching him when he comes out as the vig lopl. this is a fruity game format but come on.

i'm sticking with shotglass ldo, as said earlier this day has my panties in a bunch let's get this fucker moving.

i was luke skywalker (the only special the village had that doubled as both the seer and the angel) and got lynched on day 1 in my first ever game it sucked ass.

Checking in. i'm not the vig, and lynching SDM would be an awful thing to do. Also, I'm not gonna base any of my thoughts on his last games, mainly because I don't know how he plays, I don't know how most of you guys/girls play.

I kind of like wuf's plan. Also, with the open angel save, surely if the walkers know who the angel is goiing to guard, it's a pretty easy conversion for them? Or have I got the game mechanics completely wrong there, I don't know!

Going to hold off on bolding a vote for the time being i think, I need some more information.

Right i drank wayyyyyy too much last night so i feel like a complete badgers arse this morning. I've just skimmed through the post, I'll read through them properly once my bacon sandwich and painkillers have arrived! But I've just got to say that i am shocked that we are considering letting SDM live.
I think it was Dan who said we as a village are too soft on him and i couldn't agree more. He ruins most games and this is what he did last time and as a result got me lynched after pretending to be the seer. Like i said I'll post my thoughts after checking later.

I'm in the hangover club with LabourHater. Urghhhhhh.

Not the vig <<<<<<<<<<

Having read through, though skipping Wufs posts (just too long to contemplate with a headache), I'm gonna recind SDM lynch Shotglass

@ Labourhater - It looks like we get more lynching Shot than SDM at the moment. He can't be so fucking annoying as to claim to be the vig again...can he????

Originally Posted by wufwugy

But keep in mind, what I laid out I believe actually uses them to their peak potential for this game. This is that we need an outed vig and the angel to protect him and only him until death.

TLR laid this plan out.

Urban Dictionary: grunching

Wufwugy, Profnabeshin, Willburforce

IF SDM is being truthfull then we will lose less by lynching a random than by lynching him. The problem with lynching a random is that we might inadvertently go after the angel plus it is much more likely that we randomly lynch a normal villager than a wolf.

The way this game has the deck stacked against us, I would much rather get lynched myself (nothing but a plain 'ole villager) than to possibly lynch the true vig or the angel. At least that way we hopefully gain another day of information for decisions about SDM and might have a fighting chance.

Rescind SDM

Originally Posted by TLR

Given the angel/vig rules I think we should at least discuss the option of the vig outing himself and the angel protectign the vig

Pros of this move:
1. The vig is protected as long as the angel is alive
2. If the vig is turned (after the angel is dead) we know who the vig is and can lynch him
3. The angel knows he is protecting a villager and thus will not be converted
4. We get to keep the specials until the White Walkers stumble on the angel, but at least he will not be converted

con (sort of)
1. Vig is exposed once angel is dead
2. In case a flase vig comes out and we pick wroing the angel is converted but we know one wolf for sure

SDM outs himself

I say wait for everyone to post so we know SDM is the vig, then follow TLRs plan. And then you produce this word bile.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Okay, here's my plan, and I think it's awesome. I typed it up fast tho

Angel save me tonight. If there are two conversions we will know that both me and SDM are walkers, if there is one conversion then we lynch SDM first, if he's a walker then we know I'm a villager, if he's not a walker then I'm a walker and you lynch me next, but I'm not a walker so that would mean that the walkers got super lucky and didn't try to eat SDM but hit the real vig on their first shot. If there are no conversions then we know I'm a villager and the then angel can be safe and keep protecting me while the real vig shoots SDM on night two. If SDM is really the vig then there will be no shot but we dont have to worry since we just lynch him if the vig converts

How does this sound?

TLR, SDM, wufwugy, Ragnar prob villagers.

I'm still waiting to hear from everyone though, I lost my list but I think bigred and Ash haven't posted since SDM outed.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

IF SDM is being truthfull then we will lose less by lynching a random than by lynching him. The problem with lynching a random is that we might inadvertently go after the angel plus it is much more likely that we randomly lynch a normal villager than a wolf.

The way this game has the deck stacked against us, I would much rather get lynched myself (nothing but a plain 'ole villager) than to possibly lynch the true vig or the angel. At least that way we hopefully gain another day of information for decisions about SDM and might have a fighting chance.

Rescind SDM

In future, a better defense post would be like this:

If you're just picking me (shotglass) as the alternative to SDM, why not kill one of: bigred, Boog, Ash? If you kill me before those 3 have said they're not the vig, SDM is 85% the vig when the angel needs to choose who to protect. If you kill one of them, if they're the vig, neat, if they're not then SDM is 90% the vig when the angel needs to choose.

But I don't think that would be a good idea because then the angel could just protect you and become a White Walker #soulread.

Did not have time to read the entire thing (just got off a plane and had about 5 min to look thru the thread)
I am not the vig
Unless another vig come out we have to assume SDM is the vig
I think Wuf is leading the village in the wrong direction and his suggestion for angel to protect him makes little sense, however I think he is a villager

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

In future, a better defense post would be like this:

If you're just picking me (shotglass) as the alternative to SDM, why not kill one of: bigred, Boog, Ash? If you kill me before those 3 have said they're not the vig, SDM is 85% the vig when the angel needs to choose who to protect. If you kill one of them, if they're the vig, neat, if they're not then SDM is 90% the vig when the angel needs to choose.

Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. I like your plan, obviously because I might not get lynched on day 1. Apparently I've got a lot to learn about this game.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

But I don't think that would be a good idea because then the angel could just protect you and become a White Walker #soulread.

Why would the angel consider protecting me when I've said I'm not the vig and my status as a villager in question?
#soulread's are no better in this game than in any other

Originally Posted by TLR

I think Wuf is leading the village in the wrong direction and his suggestion for angel to protect him makes little sense, however I think he is a villager

His post makes little sense because it would be a great plan for the wolves to develop and spit out. I've got him as a ? but leaning toward wolf.

wow that's a lot to read through, yea we need to assume SDM is the vig, Wuf seems like a villager to me, as his posts seem to try to help the village more then actually defend himself, but i guess he's pretty crafty

although rilla had a good defense post i think i have to Lynch Shotglass.

Ash256 has not posted at all since the game started.

bigred has not posted since page 1, neither has BooG. Though I think we'll from these two later today.

I've left my vote hanging since rescinding SDM to see what happens. Shotglass seems to be all over the place. I said earlier he seemed to be digging himself a bigger hole and now he's hinted at being the angel,claimed that he's not he vig and that he's just a villager.
lynch shotglass

Vegas dudes...

lynch boog for winning with 57s

Originally Posted by Keith

Shotglass seems to be all over the place....he's hinted at being the angel

I never meant to imply that. If that's what you took from my post then that's your problem not mine.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

TLR laid this plan out.

Urban Dictionary: grunching

At first I thought the plan was wrong

I guess I've been all over the place because I'm a noob and still tryin to figure out the game.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

At first I thought the plan was wrong

^^WAT? This is a bold faced lie and I'll prove it.

The more often that I read through this thread the more I agree with TLR, Rilla and a few others and the more concerned I become about Wuf (his latest post just topped it off). It's in the best interest of the village to assume that SDM is the vig and for the angel to protect him.
If he's not the vig but not a wolf, then the angel is still protecting a villager.
If SDM is a walker then the angel will convert and we can lynch SDM on day 2. Granted, not great but not the worst possible scenario either.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

But keep in mind, what I laid out I believe actually uses them to their peak potential for this game. This is that we need an outed vig and the angel to protect him and only him until death.

TLR laid this plan out.

Originally Posted by TLR

Given the angel/vig rules I think we should at least discuss the option of the vig outing himself and the angel protectign the vig

Pros of this move:
1. The vig is protected as long as the angel is alive
2. If the vig is turned (after the angel is dead) we know who the vig is and can lynch him
3. The angel knows he is protecting a villager and thus will not be converted
4. We get to keep the specials until the White Walkers stumble on the angel, but at least he will not be converted

con (sort of)
1. Vig is exposed once angel is dead
2. In case a flase vig comes out and we pick wroing the angel is converted but we know one wolf for sure

wuf's plan was actually quite a bit more complex in a rapid series of posts to make himself appear to be a bit slow yet to subtly imply that we should not believe SDM is the vig:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

wait a second, this is really shitty

this is perfectly play if sdm is walker since it could get the angel to save him then turn into walker. we'd be fine if vig had a shot on first night, but we dont

followed immediately by

Originally Posted by wufwugy

wait wait wait hold on

lay off on sdm. if hes the vig we'll know he's a walker if they attack him because he converts. if he's not the vig then real vig shoots him

and

Originally Posted by wufwugy

real vig dont come out yet

and

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Question for lolzzz, do we know which role converts if there is a convert? Like will we know if the angel targeted a walker than converted, or the vig got targeted by walker and converted, or will we just know that "something happened and there was a conversion"

Which was asked and answered a few times already. And finally his master plan to get both the angel, the vig and a villager on the same night:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Okay, here's my plan, and I think it's awesome. I typed it up fast tho

Angel save me tonight. If there are two conversions we will know that both me and SDM are walkers, if there is one conversion then we lynch SDM first, if he's a walker then we know I'm a villager, if he's not a walker then I'm a walker and you lynch me next, but I'm not a walker so that would mean that the walkers got super lucky and didn't try to eat SDM but hit the real vig on their first shot. If there are no conversions then we know I'm a villager and the then angel can be safe and keep protecting me while the real vig shoots SDM on night two. If SDM is really the vig then there will be no shot but we dont have to worry since we just lynch him if the vig converts

How does this sound?

I'll tell you how it sounds Wuf...it sounds like you want the angel (unknown) to protect you so that he/she will be turned which leaves the vig (SDM) open to attack by the wolves and turned and the villager will lynch a normal (most likely by sheer odds) villager. That means by the start of day 2 the wolves are up two and the villagers down three.

Man, if I'd have thought that plan up and it actually worked then I'd be bragging about it for YEARS.

Talk about a hat trick. (forgive the hockey reference)

Lynch Wufwugy

I'd like to hear from or, alternatively, lynch Willburforce.

Originally Posted by bigred

Vegas dudes...

lynch boog for winning with 57s

This doesn't take bigred off the list imo. As it's clear he didn't read anything.

Shotglass, sounds like a defense plan you guys in the den put together

If you'll notice, I did think it was wrong at first with my first succession of posts saying stuff like "wait wait wait", all in bad grammar and no capitalization. I then moved to think it's better for the angel to save me, but after nobody wanted to hear any of that, I went to the angel saving SDM. I wanted the angel to save me because I wasn't sure it was that likely SDM was the vig, but now I'm pretty sure he is, so it then becomes better to just save him. Also, saving me (or any other specified person) only works if the entire village agrees on it, and nobody wants that so that's the end of it

I will again point out that it's folly to think it would benefit a wufwalker to try to get the angel to save me then convert. You say the walkers would be up two walkers, which is true, but only for a couple days. I would just be trading my life for the angel's life, and the vig/SDM would be killed at any point after he's converted. This is a terrible plan on the fact alone that the angel has a strong chance of being converted in secret

And trust me, I would not sacrifice myself. The only villager that worries a wolfwugy is the seer. There's no seer in this game so if I was a walker I'd be shitting myself with glee. I'd still expect to be lynched in the late game, but that would give me ample time to fling feces everywhere

That's the thing about Wuf. He is always hatching some pretty epic schemes and you have to give him props for his persistence on them.

I was a wolf with him once and this is exactly the kind of plan he would devise (even though he would be the sacrifice) on a 2:0 swing. If he is a wolf then we lose both specials while they only lose one original wolf but gain another anonymous wolf from the angel.

It's long term thinking and very wufwugy like

I would put money up on the chance he wants to brag in the Dead Thread etc. about how he single handedly took down two specials on day one as a wolf. (Tell me that doesn't sound like something he would say)

Any other lynch is retarded right now, IMO

Just realized that we would know SDM was converted which would set us back a day on lynches as well while they continue to stay on pace with three unknown wolves.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

If you'll notice, I did think it was wrong at first with my first succession of posts saying stuff like "wait wait wait", all in bad grammar and no capitalization.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

clearly i wasn't able to pull it off because any peering person will see that i just made the most villagery posts ever itt.

The most damning post against wufwugy isn't even in this thread.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Originally Posted by wufwugy

You just gotta trust me homey. Just like I trust your mustache

All your posts seem like you mean it, ie just type out your thoughts in length, something I used to do when I started off with WW. Now I reserve that for when there is actually a ton of information to go on :P

(although the last few games the wolves never let me get there)

As far as things to look for, it cuts both ways. It’s been made explicitly clear to him how to be a villager. When he’s a villager, cool that’s how it flows, when he’s not, how does he manage? If he hasn’t improved since I was a wolf with him, I’d say he’s a villager this time ‘round.

The fact that I’d expect wufwugy to ramble is an aside to the fact that what he proposed was bad. And further, after he proposed it, he went wonkers. I dunno why wolfwugy would go wonkers, but I don’t really see a lot of reasons for wufwillager to do it either.

My assessment has him leaning villager, but my assessment shouldn’t guide the village.

Also, just an FYI, you can click on those little blue-white > symbols in the quotes to visit the source posts.

I love unlimited times!

Originally Posted by DropTheBanana

That's the thing about Wuf. He is always hatching some pretty epic schemes and you have to give him props for his persistence on them.

I was a wolf with him once and this is exactly the kind of plan he would devise (even though he would be the sacrifice) on a 2:0 swing. If he is a wolf then we lose both specials while they only lose one original wolf but gain another anonymous wolf from the angel.

It's long term thinking and very wufwugy like

I would put money up on the chance he wants to brag in the Dead Thread etc. about how he single handedly took down two specials on day one as a wolf. (Tell me that doesn't sound like something he would say)

Any other lynch is retarded right now, IMO

You're basically saying that I would sacrifice myself for the angel convert. So it's a 1:1 trade? The whole vig/SDM thing doesn't matter because if no other vig comes out, he is lynched the day after a vig is converted. So we really are dealing with a 1:1 trade. And I think that's why we know I'm not a walker. You know I wouldn't do this. You do know I would want to hatch an epic plan, but this is hardly epic. The type of stuff I came up in our den was stuff where we would sacrifice two wolves in order to kill the seer early, or sacrifice three wolves in order to give immunity to the last remaining wolf. But we didn't do any of those. You guys thought they were stupid, I also thought they were stupid, and we didn't hatch any plan like that.

So what you're saying is that as a wufwalker, I'm hatching a plan that actually isn't that great (it would definitely be tricky, but not purposeful), and the den has gone along with it.

lold nice at wufwillager

Shotglass looks like wuf is coaching him.

If Shotglass ends up being a wolf, I'm blowing wuf's head off.

Just had a thought, what's the likelyhood that when lolzzz was structuring the game, he changed it based on who was given what role? For example, if all three wolves were nubs, would he decide to change the special roles to the weakness they are now? I honestly think the specials are running at like 10% power they are in normal games, and possibly even worse to the point that they're "delayed walkers" a certain percentage of the time

So if other mods playing think lolzzz could have made the game dynamics the way he did based on who drew walkers, maybe we could be looking at a nub baddy team. I say this because I'm not sure why the specials were made so freaking weak. It might not necessarily be a bad thing since the walkers look to have a smaller team than they normally would, but just brainstorming

Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney

Shotglass looks like wuf is coaching him.

If Shotglass ends up being a wolf, I'm blowing wuf's head off.

Please do. It would certainly shed light on how silly an idea it is that wufwalker is trying to sacrifice himself for pretty much no reason

If Shotglass is not a wolf, I have an alternative theory which I will expand on during the course of the next game day.

Does it also involve blowing my head off?

Hopefully

Naw SDM won't blow my head off. Keith is still alive. He'll have to fix that problem first

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Shotglass, sounds like a defense plan you guys in the den put together

That's exactly what I expected you to say: Deny it and attempt to twist it around to disguise the truth.

I'll admit it...if the plan that you devised had actually worked and it were my plan then I'd scream it from the top of every dead thread page that I got onto.

But your plan didn't work. You got discovered. and now your trying to hide by turning the tables.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

That's exactly what I expected you to say: Deny it and attempt to twist it around to disguise the truth.

I'll admit it...if the plan that you devised had actually worked and it were my plan then I'd scream it from the top of every dead thread page that I got onto.

But your plan didn't work. You got discovered. and now your trying to hide by turning the tables.

How am I hiding by turning the tables? Your wagon has very little to do with me

Y'all who think I'm a baddy because of this "plan" really need to flesh it out. What exactly is the plan? How would it actually benefit the walkers. All it would do is trade wufwalker for an unknown angel. What in the world would the purpose of that be? I'm pretty sure if I was a baddy I wouldn't wanna sacrifice myself for something like this, and the den wouldn't even come close to going along with it simply because they'd rather have me on their team than a random

The only legit argument that can be made for my "plan" being a walker-benefit plan, is that if I convince everybody to agree that the angel should save me, then the walkers could nom the vig and stop him from being able to shoot. 1) That's dumb, the vig isn't that powerful. There is slight value there, but not much, and nothing close to me sacrificing myself would be a detriment, and 2) how exactly does it work when I'm actually spending more time trying to get the angel to protect the vig?

The only way I'm a walker here is if I came up with an extremely convoluted idea where I would do all of these shenanigans for the sole purpose of just convincing the village I'm a villager. How's that working out for me? Ragnar and DTB want to lynch me only after I started this, and SDM wants to shoot me. How's this plan working out for me?

Oh, BTW, Rilla and DTB should know that my wolf strategy is to just let the village hang themselves. That's what it was last time, at least. So they'd have to think that I'm going out of my way to do something other than what I told them I think is the right way to play wolf

you did mention that you were changing your play

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Just had a thought, what's the likelyhood that when lolzzz was structuring the game, he changed it based on who was given what role? For example, if all three wolves were nubs, would he decide to change the special roles to the weakness they are now? I honestly think the specials are running at like 10% power they are in normal games, and possibly even worse to the point that they're "delayed walkers" a certain percentage of the time

So if other mods playing think lolzzz could have made the game dynamics the way he did based on who drew walkers, maybe we could be looking at a nub baddy team. I say this because I'm not sure why the specials were made so freaking weak. It might not necessarily be a bad thing since the walkers look to have a smaller team than they normally would, but just brainstorming

It's random. I put your names into a list randomizer and the top X names are wolves and the bottom Y people are specials.

Originally Posted by lolzzz_321

It's random. I put your names into a list randomizer and the top X names are wolves and the bottom Y people are specials.

I'm a noob and even I knew that one. Sounds like someone is grasping at straws.

Who could it be? wuf

Originally Posted by Shotglass

I'm a noob and even I knew that one. Sounds like someone is grasping at straws.

Who could it be? wuf

That's not the question I asked. I have heard tell that mods have slightly changed things in the past based on who is assigned what role, or something or other

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

This doesn't take bigred off the list imo. As it's clear he didn't read anything.

Never said it did. I'm just saying. You shove 57s on Tyson's QQ and win, u should get lynched.

Originally Posted by bigred

Never said it did. I'm just saying. You shove 57s on Tyson's QQ and win, u should get lynched.

Well, it was 57s ... better than shoving 57o

@ Wuf. Why do you keep minimalizing the impact of losing the Angel? He's ours right now. There are plenty of strategies that have the angel outing himself along with giving out his lookups at some point, but this "prove I'm not a wufwalker by looking me up" stuff blows my mind!


Not only does the village lose a villager, the wolves gain a wolf at the same time. That's a 2 for 1 swing. Not only that, but the most precious currency that the village has to deal in is days. If you're a wolf, it costs us 2 days to get back to even.

I sort of understand your argument that suggests that the Angel wants to be a wolf secretly, becuase he's destined to be one anyway. But I think if the angel can go 4 days without being picked, and can give us the names of 3 confirmed villagers, it creates a nearly insurmountable edge for the village.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

@ Wuf. Why do you keep minimalizing the impact of losing the Angel? He's ours right now. There are plenty of strategies that have the angel outing himself along with giving out his lookups at some point, but this "prove I'm not a wufwalker by looking me up" stuff blows my mind!


Not only does the village lose a villager, the wolves gain a wolf at the same time. That's a 2 for 1 swing. Not only that, but the most precious currency that the village has to deal in is days. If you're a wolf, it costs us 2 days to get back to even.

I sort of understand your argument that suggests that the Angel wants to be a wolf secretly, becuase he's destined to be one anyway. But I think if the angel can go 4 days without being picked, and can give us the names of 3 confirmed villagers, it creates a nearly insurmountable edge for the village.

I think whatever value we have in the angel is killed by the probability and risk of an unknown converted angel. I'm saying I honestly think it would be better for the angel to save nobody than to save unknowns.

Originally Posted by bigred

Never said it did. I'm just saying. You shove 57s on Tyson's QQ and win, u should get lynched.

ha, I didn't actually expect you to post again since Vegas obviously trumps this game so that was mostly aimed at everyone who isn't balling out this weekend.

The list isn't of possible wolves, the list is of people who haven't demonstrated they're not the vig.

Lynch Bigred

Seriously. It's very convenient that he's in Vegas and doesn't have to post.

Bigred is in Vegas so he doesn't have to post? I live in Vegas and I still manage to post.

O.k upon further inspection I hate to admit it but SDM has a point Shotglass is looking like he's being coached a lot actually, Very specific posts for a noob but he could just have a brain. I think Wilbur's right though i think at this point a Shotglass lynch would offer more value at the moment but it is totally possible for SDM to do this again, after all as soon as he got a wagon against him last game he fake outed and got me lynched as a result. But letting the fool formally known as SDM live for another day won't make much difference. He's that bad that he'll probably get converted straight away anyway.

Rescind SDM Lynch SHOTGLASS

Is their anyone left to post since sdms vig claim?

Well, all I can say is that I'll have to take all of the postings that state that I'm getting coached as a compliment.

Just read through the thread and if my counts are accurate then I'm at 10 votes. There is enough evidence against wuf in this thread in posts made by several of us that once someone else votes to lynch me and the truth that I'm a villager comes to light, I seriously hope that everyone looks at wuf closely.

@ lolzzz - what's the rules in this game concerning self lynching?

Ya, you can vote for whoever

dude seriously just get your 'ARRROOOOO' over with this day is jsut fucking annoying now

it's day 1, we have nothing better to go on, so i'll vote to lynch Shotglass to get the game moving.

I wish you were a walker cuz then SDM could shoot me and he'd never live it down

Originally Posted by wufwugy

I wish you were a walker cuz then SDM could shoot me and he'd never live it down

Well, that would be pretty funny, wouldn't it.

What's even funnier is that after I get lynched tonight then the rest of the village will be asking themselves this question:

"How did wuf know that shotglass wasn't a walker befor he got lynched?"

and answering with this wuf

gg y'all

Your response to me yesterday is when I first figured it out

Originally Posted by Shotglass

Hopefully

A baddy wouldn't say that. And before you go pointing fingers at me for making emphatic statements like that, I've done it almost every game. It's usually very easy to tell when somebody is not a wolf at the end of their wagon

Originally Posted by wufwugy

A baddy wouldn't say that.

You sure about that, dude? SDM's looking to blow your head off.

No point in hiding it now that I've got 11 against me.
If you started thinking that after my post, then you're prolly not the only one.
Wouldn't that be something I'd say as a wolf in a last ditch effort to save myself?
I mean seriously, it's not like with the way this game is structured that I can fake out as the angel. That's never fool anybody.

Originally Posted by Shotglass

You sure about that, dude? SDM's looking to blow your head off.

No point in hiding it now that I've got 11 against me.
If you started thinking that after my post, then you're prolly not the only one.
Wouldn't that be something I'd say as a wolf in a last ditch effort to save myself?
I mean seriously, it's not like with the way this game is structured that I can fake out as the angel. That's never fool anybody.

Your comment struck me as honest frustration like 99% of the time. The way the game goes though is that once a wagon is far enough, it just can't stop.

I guess I don't understand you because your latest response seems like you're claiming you are indeed a walker

Yeah, it looks that way on the surface.

When you think about it a bit deeper then it shows that your defensive post "a baddy wouldn't say that" is more of the same-ol same-ol: just you scrambling to cover and correct yourself again and that a 'baddy' could say that.

I see no need to defend myself any further as the votes are in and the truth will be known tonight.

Hopefully the remaining villagers will def take a closer look at you.

gg all

Bigred is the man. Boog Tyson and Eric just showed me there's an ftr mobile site. Who would know?

Was there a profnabeshin post deleted from this page?

Someone mentioned bigred was in Vegas this week, so I was pointing out that I lived in Vegas

Originally Posted by profnabeshin

Someone mentioned bigred was in Vegas this week, so I was pointing out that I lived in Vegas

You're probably not aware of the rules but you're not allowed to edit or delete your posts. Posting in this thread is like carving into stone.

I restored the post btw.

Shotglass must have 11 votes by now, lets get the day over with.

Originally Posted by HoopyDude

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When I wake up..

Shotglass, who just moved to the village recently, is sent to the gallows. Nigga just talked too much, nahimean? Unfortunately, he was simply a regular villager.



It's NIGHT 1 - APPROPRIATE PARTIES PM ME

The Village of Miehlebin
philly and the phanatics
wufwugy
fulksy
Ragnar4
a500lbgorilla
StillDeadMoney
bigred
DropTheBanana
DanAronG
HoopyDude
LabourHater
mattc16
Penneywize
WillburForce
Warpe
BooG690
profnabeshin
TLR
Keith
Ash256

The Departed
OngBonga - Died before the game started
Shotglass - Hanged by the village on Day 1

There are 3 White Walkers and 17 Villagers
3 White Walkers
15 Villagers
1 Angel
1 Vigilante