*** WHITE WALKER WEREWOLF (FUUUU BLACK WALKERS) ***

Can't hurt to be explicit for any other vigs who may be out there.

I'll be honest, I'm not following this game that well at all. I generally like TLR's line, generally believe SDM isn't lying, and generally hate going after nubs on first day but it's almost like there's no other choice. So

lynch philly because he said he's a villager twice and that motherfucker is expert tricky and vig shoot shotglass

Originally Posted by Shotglass

Think about it.

OIC

Had to reread the rules

Originally Posted by DanAronG

I have no reason to think we should believe SDM.

That same post makes perfect sense from a dying wolf.

recind TLR
Lynch SDM

Mainly because I don't believe either of them, but if SDM isn't the vig then the angel gets converted tonight and will put us at a pretty big disadvantage.

Here's a question, and please forgive me if it's a stupid noob question:

If the specials (vig/angel) get converted do they lose their powers? If not it would seem to give the wolves a huge advantage for the angel to be able to protect one of them.

no they do not keep their powers imo...

and i have only said it once wuf learn to count.

also people telling SDM who to shoot is retarded because then the wolves can steer us away from themselves and they can be sure they will not nomm the same person the vig shoots....seems like a -ev situation for us

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

i know for a fact that regular non special villagers did not get a PM...i did not get one.

Also this may ruin things but reg villagers did NOT get a PM this game, at least i can confirm that i did not.

Twice. I can count at least that high

lol i thought you meant in 2 separate posts...honestly i forgot i had already typed it at the beginning
but string me up if you want, ill be pretty bummed if i get lynched so early after being one of the driving forces behind getting the game started, but thats how the cookie crumbles

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

also people telling SDM who to shoot is retarded because then the wolves can steer us away from themselves and they can be sure they will not nomm the same person the vig shoots....seems like a -ev situation for us

Agreed, seems like even more reason to get rid of him.

naw i think you're gonna be my guy from here on out. im never convinced on going after anybody early, but nobody soulpwned me as hard as you did both times you were a wolf. so that means youre my sdm and i shall not rest until i get you killed as a wolf

it gives me an excuse to do stuff without doing stuff

^ message was meant for frilly and the fantastics

aw thats cute...i was wondering when i was gonna have a gator to my big red or a keith to my danarong...or even a boog to my jkds....in that case LYNCH WOLF WUGY!!!! (ok but srs i want to lynch shotglass thats why ive not bolded wuf)

Can Trip specify the exact order of night actions?

i think the vig shoots first but ill let trip clarify...

and shotglass wtf are you talking about im not advocating lynching the vig, im just saying we shouldnt tell him who to shoot. I guess if you are saying its more reason to get rid of him because the real vig wouldnt want to do something like that then i see your point, but do not necessarily agree, because i think SDM is retarded enough to do anything lol

Hmm. Thinking we should derail sdm and lynch him later. Its a wasted lynch tonight if hes a vig. And a poor lynch if hes wolf.

[b]rescind sdm[b]

Now to see who else is on this wagon.

Eh well this is pretty interesting for a day 1 huh

I must admit I'm somewhat confounded by these new game mechanics. The thing that pisses me off about the SDM outing is that A: I'm obviously a little biased in his favour, though I have been telling him lately that he's long overdue to be lynched on day 1 and B: his vig-outing play is both a perfect play for the wolves and a standard play for an actual vig who doesn't want to get lynched.

This wrinkle about the angel protecting a wolf just really fucks everything imo

In any case, I really don't know that if SDM were a villager that he would out so early, even with 6 or 7 of 11 votes against him... Then there's the slim possibility he's a regular villager and doing it for god knows why...

Something about this rubs me the wrong way, I am thinking he's a wolf trying to make the only play he can make to help his team, knowing he's SDM and will get an early lynch no matter what.

I'm not sure I want to bold yet but I will rescind Danarong.

rescind sdm

Yeah, I think that's pretty standard. I'm more curious about the angel saves. Do they still count even if the angel is eaten. (I assume the angel dies and is not converted if the wolves try to eat him)

Shotglass: who told you we have a rich history of day one lynching noobs? Thats a pretty astute/mature way to feel about day 1.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

and shotglass wtf are you talking about im not advocating lynching the vig, im just saying we shouldnt tell him who to shoot. I guess if you are saying its more reason to get rid of him because the real vig wouldnt want to do something like that then i see your point, but do not necessarily agree, because i think SDM is retarded enough to do anything lol

The blue is exactly what I'm talking about but prolly shoulda written that.

The red was funny as hell after reading through his lolcats and fake seer outing.

Like Greedo, the vig shoot first

Don't rescind SDM. We, as a village, keep showing a lack of willingness to punish him for his selfishness. The only way to make him play properly, ie looking out for the best interest of his team as opposed to just trying to keep himself alive, is to kill him on day 1. Come on guys, we're poker players, we've all read some game theory, it's tit-for-tat. He needs to die on day one. An incredible threat is meaningless. Lynch that fucker!

I think it's interesting that Ragnar was ready to lynch SDM until he hit 9 votes and has now gotten off the BW.

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

Shotglass: who told you we have a rich history of day one lynching noobs? Thats a pretty astute/mature way to feel about day 1.

It's not that hard to read previous games.

I miscounted in my last post, it was 8 votes.

Lynching SDM is pretty terribad at this point. I dunno the list of people that haven't posted since he outted himself, but until everyone pipes up and no one claims to be the vig, you're basically asking the village to be willfully retarded in the name of teaching him a lesson.

I couldn't summon up two shits to punish SDM for how he plays, we're not here to train him like a dog.

The real vig has a mandate to out himself for obvious reasons. Until that happens, SDM is the vig.

Our best choice is far and away Shotglass.

Posted: TLR, DTB, philly, Labour, Shotglass, DanA, rilla, wufwugy, Ragnar, Penney
Not Posted: fulksy, bigred, Hoopy, mattc16, Willbur, Warpe, Boog, prof, Keith, Ash

If you haven't posted yet, it would be a big help if you let us know you're not the vig.

Anyways, in light of the longish list of people and the likelyhood that we won't hear from the complete list, there still remains a chance that SDM, as a wolf, noticed a good spot.

But it would still be a poor choice to run him through before waiting to hear from the rest of the village.

Our play at this point really rests on the true vig coming through for us and outing himself.

Boog posted. He was the first to vote for SDM

Those are posted after SDM outed as vig.

I don't really see any difference between having a Vig this game, since if they shoot a wolf they are turned... so is it really that bad if SDM is the Vig and we lynch him first night?

Sounds like a good plan if he is a wolf to out himself as the Vig, one of two things happen:
1: he is a wolf and converts the angel to their side way early in the game
2: if he isn't the vig and someone else stands up that they Are the real vig... they are going to be eaten that night. So this seems like a good play if he is a white walker imo

Well, if there's still a long list of people who haven't posted (and therefor could be the vig) the angel could easily choose to deviate from out plan and protect someone else. Then if SDM is a wolf, we'll find out in time and hopefully still have the angel.

And if someone else stands up to be the real vig, angel just protects him, ez pie.

Also, if the vig shoots a wolf, he isn't turned. Trip amended that rule.

i agree with 500lb, unless the real vig comes out, i think we have to assume SDM is the real vig.

wait a second, this is really shitty

this is perfectly play if sdm is walker since it could get the angel to save him then turn into walker. we'd be fine if vig had a shot on first night, but we dont

wait wait wait hold on

lay off on sdm. if hes the vig we'll know he's a walker if they attack him because he converts. if he's not the vig then real vig shoots him

real vig dont come out yet

I'm not the vig. rescind SDM

Question for lolzzz, do we know which role converts if there is a convert? Like will we know if the angel targeted a walker than converted, or the vig got targeted by walker and converted, or will we just know that "something happened and there was a conversion"

Originally Posted by lolzzz_321

Originally Posted by StillDeadMoney

Question about the rules: how are conversions going to be handled in terms of village population? Say there are 3 wolves to start the night, then before morning the angel gets converted because he protected a wolf. The next morning, is it noted in the village population? e.g.

There are 4 White Walkers and 17 Villagers
4 White Walkers
16 Villagers
1 Vigilante

Ya

.

Okay, here's my plan, and I think it's awesome. I typed it up fast tho

Angel save me tonight. If there are two conversions we will know that both me and SDM are walkers, if there is one conversion then we lynch SDM first, if he's a walker then we know I'm a villager, if he's not a walker then I'm a walker and you lynch me next, but I'm not a walker so that would mean that the walkers got super lucky and didn't try to eat SDM but hit the real vig on their first shot. If there are no conversions then we know I'm a villager and the then angel can be safe and keep protecting me while the real vig shoots SDM on night two. If SDM is really the vig then there will be no shot but we dont have to worry since we just lynch him if the vig converts

How does this sound?

of if you like the plan but you dont want me as the proxy angel since i'll be continually saved and confirmed villager, somebody else can step up and say they want that spot.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Okay, here's my plan, and I think it's awesome. I typed it up fast tho

Angel save me tonight. If there are two conversions we will know that both me and SDM are walkers, if there is one conversion then we lynch SDM first, if he's a walker then we know I'm a villager, if he's not a walker then I'm a walker and you lynch me next, but I'm not a walker so that would mean that the walkers got super lucky and didn't try to eat SDM but hit the real vig on their first shot. If there are no conversions then we know I'm a villager and the then angel can be safe and keep protecting me while the real vig shoots SDM on night two. If SDM is really the vig then there will be no shot but we dont have to worry since we just lynch him if the vig converts

How does this sound?

No thanks. I just don't want to think about all the ways it can possibly go wrong. Besides, obviously I don't think the angel should protect you for grunching the thread and then popping in with this plan.

Also, much easier is the plan of lynching Shotglass, who is a White Walker. #soulread

what do you mean by grunching

my plan was to play as wolfy and disinterested game as i possibly could, then hopefully get lynched and shown as villager, then that would be the end of any "wufs playing differently therefore such n such" that got me seer'd last game

but this game is really weird and i had a couple spontaneous ideas i think are awesome

Urban Dictionary: grunching

not grunching, just not pretending like i can figure shit out if i just focus like i tried in my first few games

rescind philly lynch rilla

i feel like my plan is excellent and he knows it. he knows as a walker i like to come up with ideas for crazy outings, but he also knows that i cant be a walker because all those crazy outings are too stupid to work. i dont see how my plan goes wrong. its pretty information dense and either there are no conversions and we have at least me as a confirmed villager, or there are conversions and we find a walker shortly thereafter

LOL

Urban Dictionary: fps

definition number 5

dude dont balance your villager game come on, what are you? SDM?!

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Urban Dictionary: fps

definition number 5

u scared homey? u scared of the wuf train polishin up some asses?

I'm not the vig.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Also, much easier is the plan of lynching Shotglass, who is a White Walker. #soulread

This seems fine for day 1 since we have no idea what's going on.

lynch Shotglass

Originally Posted by wufwugy

u scared homey? u scared of the wuf train polishin up some asses?

I am almost tempted to make a frantic off the wall defense post to give you hope that you've got me nailed.

<<< not the vig, or anything else.

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

I am almost tempted to make a frantic off the wall defense post to give you hope that you've got me nailed.

confirmed walker imo

SDM's play forces the Angel to protect him or forces the real Vig to shoot him or forces the wolves to convert him or forces the village to lynch him.

This is also known as being retarded.

Originally Posted by philly and the phanatics

dude dont balance your villager game come on, what are you? SDM?!

clearly i wasn't able to pull it off because any peering person will see that i just made the most villagery posts ever itt. didnt really even care anyways. i just want to play in a way where i do what i want to do, but my first two games created the perception that i play one way and one way only

I really fucking hate having our hand forced like this.

How about this for a good play. Vig caps SDM when he gets bullets, if the Vig gets turned tonight we Lynch SDM tomorow. If SDM doesn't get turned tonight (because, really, why would he? SDM with a bullet is FAR more dangerous to the village than to a wolf at this point.) We discuss the merit of who SDM shoots.

@ Shotglass. Seriously? I derail a bandwagon at 9 votes and you're trying to tag me for that on day one?

@ Wuf: As a wolf, I would offer your suggestion up as a trade in a heartbeat because it's a 2 for 1 swing. At first I was all like "lol wuf thinks he's important enough to be saved tonight" Now I'm thinking "lol, Wuf thinks he's way smarter than the angel and wants an epic turn to fuck the village on day one"

Lynch Wufwugy

Having the real vig out themselves is a major +EV for the wolves:

Anybody can say that they are the vig, even another wolf. The angle protects him tonight and we lynch me or SDM, i don't care which. So, the wolves convert the angel, and we lose three villagers: the angel, me or sdm and whoever the wolves eat.

or: the angel takes a 50/50 on protecting SDM (someone whom is known for fake outings) and we lynch me, then the wolves are up one and we are still down three. But if we really believe that SDM (someone whom is known for fake outings) is the real vig then the best play is to save him and lynch someone else.

Our best play is to lynch SDM, even if he is the vig. We will lose him in the long run anyways once/if the wolves find the angel. I think SDM with bullets is more dangerous than lynching him.

@ragnar - I just said it was interesting.

@ wuf - yeah right, nice try.

The big question is how can we believe SDM?

Yeah, Angel decides on their own whether they believe SDM or not, 'real' Vig shoots SDM if he isn't what he claims, we lynch a random.

@ warpe: yeah I think pretty much that is the only viable logic to follow at the moment. It's the least variance play imo, let's leave SDM mostly out of the equation and abide by not lynching him immediately. If he's FOS the real vig will kill him anyway, and if he's for real and gets turned (can't blame angel for not protecting him after all) we'll know about it right away.

So the question returns to who do we lynch today? I am so far liking shotglass the most, mainly due to his logic fails and overall noobishness in WW.

so lynch shotglass i suppose.

rescind rilla lynch shotglass

Just a thought:

How do we feel about openly discussing angel saves? The angel stays in hiding obv.

That way we can all confirm the nights actions and if we can confirm a few villagers we could possibly delay the wolves from special hunting or just let the confirmed kinda build up while they do. I think that would keep us one step ahead of them and worst case scenario we lose the Angel and pick off a wolf for a wash.



P.S.
I realize this is like the 4th post I've made mentioning the angel and am paranoid the wolves will try to soul own me thinking I'm him. If they do I just wanted to toss that idea out there while I still can. If not now, just something to think about later in the game if the situation comes up for it to be beneficial.

i think doing at least one open angel save is correct, but nobody else thinks so, so whatevs. i nominated myself, but it wouldn't really matter who

if i was the angel id probably secretly try to find a walker since id wanna switch sides. i think we kinda need to treat the specials like they are baddies by endgame. the vig could get a few good shots, but eventually he'll either convert or be a forced lynch. the angel is a confirmed conversion at some point unless we get incredibly lucky

I was thinking more so group appointed saves, and not self appointed.

It's whatever, it's something I've been trying to work over a strategy with in my head and figured I would see everyone else's take on it and see if they can muster up a way to beneficially use it. Just in case I die and can't contribute anymore.

i see what you're saying, and i have been trying to figure that out too, but we can't be certain the angel even wants to be a villager. shit i wish i was the angel right now, id be pushing the group appointed save angle hard, then would secret save others in an attempt to find a walker but also keep the village in the dark after i convert

mb i shouldnt point this out, but whatever, i think this is a really weird game, and stick to my point that the village kinda doesnt really have any specials. we only have a slight statistical improvement if all the shots, saves, and noms are highly in village favor

i just feel the show needs to get on the road and we need to run some trains on people so as to not have such incredibly long days

Originally Posted by Ragnar4

@ Wuf: As a wolf, I would offer your suggestion up as a trade in a heartbeat because it's a 2 for 1 swing. At first I was all like "lol wuf thinks he's important enough to be saved tonight" Now I'm thinking "lol, Wuf thinks he's way smarter than the angel and wants an epic turn to fuck the village on day one"

Lynch Wufwugy

This

I really just think he is way too smart to innocently make these posts. I give him an A for effort on always attempting to shatter his way into Werewolf Legend but his posts on this page aren't sitting well with me.

lynch wufwugy

Go ahead and lynch me, I want it this game. I feel like it's much better for me if the village lynches me in a game where I dont put up a defense and am a villager. It will help merge my play very well, then next time when people point fingers at me, others will just brush it off. Sadly, I actually put up an excellent defense in pushing a strategy that I would not do as a walker. You guys should be able to see that, but you're not, so whatever. I mean, you do realize that I'm proposing we find out definitively in one day whether or not I'm a walker, but with zero benefit to the walker team if I am?

That said, I took a shower and put more thought into it, and figured out the specials dynamic this game. Here it is...

The angel and vig are both endgame walkers or dead. The angel could secretly try to become a walker by trying to save one, and the vig could secretly try to become a walker by dropping some hints as to his vigness, but not use his shots or try to use them specifically on people thinks are villagers.

If they just play the game, they're walkers or dead, in the end, like I said, and this is very detrimental to the village since since that's two whole extra walkers we have to find. This game was simply not structured well for the specials aspect of the village

However, there is a way to use the specials well and correctly for the village. That would be for the vig to out himself, and the angel to only save the vig. This would keep them both from being convertible, and would be an effective two walker kill. If the vig is unprotected then the walkers will eventually find and convert him, and if we don't know who the vig is then well we just created another walker. If the angel saves randoms and we don't know who he is then he also has the fate of an unknown convert.

By far, the best thing we can do is have an outed vig and the angel save him until the walkers accidentally kill the angel. With SDM as a potential outed vig, I think we have to have the angel save him, then if there is no conversion, we keep doing that same thing. If there is a conversion then it was either the SDM was a walker or the angel was both secretly trying to find a walker and actually found one, which is very unlikely



The wrench in this is that the angel and vig have to want to help the village. They simply might not. The special roles are awful for the village because if they remain hidden they simply become late game non-villagers.

Trying to get the angel to save me might be too convoluted, but I thought it was good at first, and think it still might be. I think it would allow to kill two birds with one stone, provide the real vig with the opportunity to kill SDM on night two so we avoid the potential trick that the walkers could be playing in trying to get the angel to save their SDMwalker. That would be a benefit, but it could I guess create some unforeseen problems, but it also would help walkers if the angel secretly wants to switch sides since it actually wouldn't confirm me as a villager since we don't know if he truly saved me.

Anyways, y'all should just confirm me as a villager right now. Seriously, I'm not joking. If I was a walker then this is the craziest shit anybody has ever done as a baddy. By far. The one and only benefit would be if I convinced everybody that protecting me is right, then convinced everybody that protecting me is wrong because I'm so obviously a villager, all in the same day. Tell me that anybody is crafty enough to come up with that idea and want to pull it off. It sounds stupid because it is

But if you wanna lynch me, please do. Just keep in mind that if you don't want the vig and/or angel to become the walkers they're destined to, the vig has to be outed and the hidden angel has to protect him. Any other way and I guarantee the walkers will get a conversion and we'll have no clue who it is

I'd like to add that I don't think the angel or vig actually want to betray the team and look for a conversion. I think if we lay out a plan where they can actually provide value, then they'll wanna do that. The problem with playing this game without a plan designed to keep the angel and vig from being converted is that, well duh, they get converted and the walker team takes a huge boost in power.

Sadly, I think the most important thing the specials can do is play in such a way that they can't be secretly converted. Hell, I think it would be better for them to out themselves and ask for lynching than to play silently and succumb to the high probability of being converted. Each conversion is like an enormous 20+% boost for the walkers. This is much more detrimental to the village than simply dying

But I did outline a way I think we can avoid risk of conversion of an unknown special while actually using what powers they have

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Sadly, I think the most important thing the specials can do is play in such a way that they can't be secretly converted. Hell, I think it would be better for them to out themselves and ask for lynching than to play silently and succumb to the high probability of being converted.

With SDM outting himself as the Vig if this is what you think then we should obviously lynch SDM

Seems like a win/win
either he is the Vig and we prevent him from being turned or he is a walker and we eliminate a walker right away

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Go ahead and lynch me, I want it this game. I feel like it's much better for me if the village lynches me in a game where I dont put up a defense and am a villager. It will help merge my play very well, then next time when people point fingers at me, others will just brush it off. Sadly, I actually put up an excellent defense in pushing a strategy that I would not do as a walker. You guys should be able to see that, but you're not, so whatever. I mean, you do realize that I'm proposing we find out definitively in one day whether or not I'm a walker, but with zero benefit to the walker team if I am?

The Bolded is wrong, and it's wrong on the very first level.

If you are a walker, We find out definitively that you are a walker, and then we find out that we lose our angel, who's never outted himself, and then we find out that we've lost a village, and we lose a night because we still have to lynch you.

If you are a villager, The walkers figure it out, and you're dead meat anyway because known villagers don't survive, something you've demonstrated that you've internalized as early as the first WW we played together in. Yet here you are, contradicting yourself.

Your strategy is either harmful to you, and only you if you're an individual, or harmful the entire village, if you're a walker.

Here's the problem: You are quick to say that you're a really, really bright guy. You clearly think you're the best WW player never to have won one of these things, and having read your commentary on the worlds real problems, I'm inclined to believe you're a smart feller. The problem is: I don't understand how such a smart guy would pose such a tepid argument with a basic logical flaw, just like the bolded section I pointed out.

You're either a walker, and thinking you can outsmart all of us plebian villagers....

...Or you're hitching the horses to an amazingly flawed argument, which is very surprising to me, considering how much I respect what I percieve to be going on in your brainpan.

Also, your defense post of "go on ahead and lynch me" smacks of wolfie double-talk and reverse psychology. I've fallen for that once. Now if only I could remember who it was that got me with that gambit the first time....

Why do you want to get lynch trains going, and have "quicker days"? You yourself have said that "quick days help the wolves" and vet players know this intrinsicly.

Finally, the absolute snails pace that seems to be developing on your bandwagon doesn't bode well for you. SDM came out as a vig, with a willingness let the village decide who dies, assuming he survives the night. Wolves get afraid to jump ship on a bad vote onto a wolf vote because they think it will make them appear more "wolfy" They talk about it, hem and haw about it. They make long ass posts on their secret forum about it and strategize over it. It's goddamn agony.

Having read all of the thread this morning, I still wanna lynch SDM.

And also, lol @ Wuf for this:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

Go ahead and lynch me, I want it this game. I feel like it's much better for me if the village lynches me in a game where I dont put up a defense and am a villager.

followed by this:

Originally Posted by wufwugy

It will help merge my play very well, then next time when people point fingers at me, others will just brush it off. Sadly, I actually put up an excellent defense in pushing a strategy that I would not do as a walker. You guys should be able to see that, but you're not, so whatever. I mean, you do realize that I'm proposing we find out definitively in one day whether or not I'm a walker, but with zero benefit to the walker team if I am?

That said, I took a shower and put more thought into it, and figured out the specials dynamic this game. Here it is...

The angel and vig are both endgame walkers or dead. The angel could secretly try to become a walker by trying to save one, and the vig could secretly try to become a walker by dropping some hints as to his vigness, but not use his shots or try to use them specifically on people thinks are villagers.

If they just play the game, they're walkers or dead, in the end, like I said, and this is very detrimental to the village since since that's two whole extra walkers we have to find. This game was simply not structured well for the specials aspect of the village

However, there is a way to use the specials well and correctly for the village. That would be for the vig to out himself, and the angel to only save the vig. This would keep them both from being convertible, and would be an effective two walker kill. If the vig is unprotected then the walkers will eventually find and convert him, and if we don't know who the vig is then well we just created another walker. If the angel saves randoms and we don't know who he is then he also has the fate of an unknown convert.

By far, the best thing we can do is have an outed vig and the angel save him until the walkers accidentally kill the angel. With SDM as a potential outed vig, I think we have to have the angel save him, then if there is no conversion, we keep doing that same thing. If there is a conversion then it was either the SDM was a walker or the angel was both secretly trying to find a walker and actually found one, which is very unlikely



The wrench in this is that the angel and vig have to want to help the village. They simply might not. The special roles are awful for the village because if they remain hidden they simply become late game non-villagers.

Trying to get the angel to save me might be too convoluted, but I thought it was good at first, and think it still might be. I think it would allow to kill two birds with one stone, provide the real vig with the opportunity to kill SDM on night two so we avoid the potential trick that the walkers could be playing in trying to get the angel to save their SDMwalker. That would be a benefit, but it could I guess create some unforeseen problems, but it also would help walkers if the angel secretly wants to switch sides since it actually wouldn't confirm me as a villager since we don't know if he truly saved me.

Anyways, y'all should just confirm me as a villager right now. Seriously, I'm not joking. If I was a walker then this is the craziest shit anybody has ever done as a baddy. By far. The one and only benefit would be if I convinced everybody that protecting me is right, then convinced everybody that protecting me is wrong because I'm so obviously a villager, all in the same day. Tell me that anybody is crafty enough to come up with that idea and want to pull it off. It sounds stupid because it is

But if you wanna lynch me, please do. Just keep in mind that if you don't want the vig and/or angel to become the walkers they're destined to, the vig has to be outed and the hidden angel has to protect him. Any other way and I guarantee the walkers will get a conversion and we'll have no clue who it is

And I also like what Rag said.

Lynching Wuf wouldn't be the worst decision. However I also feel that shotglass is coming off pretty dam wolfy, but this coulod be noobishness. Either way, SDM should die.

Originally Posted by profnabeshin

either he is the Vig and we prevent him from being turned

The angel's job is to protect me so that I don't get turned. The second the angel dies, I will get turned the next night (as being turned is announced to everyone) and then hung the next day. That's the advantage of an open vig.

My lifespan isn't going to be long in this game because sooner or later we will lose the angel unless we're really lucky.