Werewolf: To The Edge

Rong turns the knob a quarter to the left, followed by a quarter to the right, and little back to the left but the sound of static persisted. It wasn't going to work, nothing ever really worked on the Horseshead.


Named by one of it's designers just before launch because it looked a bit like a horse's head, this nascent space ferry was the greatest achievement of mankind in a hundred years. Hobbled together from disused ancient technologies that had long lost any purpose to a world that had achieved true peace.


On January 1^st, 2100, the final nation of the world legalized marijuana. World Peace emerged that Tuesday. After generations of just getting along, mankind's ascension was recognized by the Advanced Alien Civilizations of the galaxy with first contact. Man, however, was a bit startled by all this and reacted rather embarrassingly. Mankind made many new discoveries that day – that they were not alone, what could be achieved through technology, and that despite years of peaceful living, when staring down an unknown creature from beyond the stars, first instinct is, to a man, to swing at them with sticks. The Alien's peaceful ways were no match.


After that, mankind gathered together its most sober minds to show Alienkind who'll be doing the contacting.


Bigred and Hoopy are playing videogames in the ship's expansive lounge. The most immaculately maintained technologies of the ancient work-a-day world were their gaming systems which have reared, educated, and fascinated for generations.


Eric and GatorJH are in the greenhouse module trying to puzzle out how to use the vacuum of space to age whiskey faster. They've been tying barrels with twine and pumping them through the air-lock with mixed results.


Wufwugy, dhubermex, jackvance, keith, ongbonga, and SDM are all playing “poker”. An ancient game of wits and gambling from a by-gone era where people swapped personal possessions on the turn of a card. Gabe thinks the whole game is a bit stupid, honestly, and doesn't see any reason to play.


Daven is currently stowed away in the wheel well of a landing strut, having leapt on board just in time.


And with that, the crew of the Horseshead bravely endeavored to punch Alienkind in its collective face.


Night 0


This is just for everyone to get settled in. Feel free to post tonight.

jackvance
hoopy
dhubermex
gatorjh
keith
sdm
wufwugy
ongbonga
gabe
bigred
eric
rong
daven


13 Players
2 Wolves
1 Turncoat
1 Seer
1 Angel
1 Vigilante
7 Villagers


The Turncoat is a wolf that counts as a villager towards win conditions. He does not know the other wolves nor do the wolves know him. Each night, the turncoat may choose to block one player's actions for the night phase (can't block wolf kills), or to reach out to the wolf team. If he chooses to reach out to a surviving wolf, he'll join up as a full fledged vanilla wolf. If he chooses a villager, that villager will know the turncoat's identity.


The seer may choose to look up the affiliation of any player. Turncoat/Angel/Vigilante will come up as a villager, Wolves will come up as wolves.


The vigilante gets to fire bullets wildly into the field. 1 bullet each night. They do not accumulate.

The angel can protect anyone from death during the night phase, though they can not choose the same target back-to-back.

The wolves, a bunch of no good peaceniks trying to sabotage the glorious mission, win when the number of villagers matches their own.

Order of night ops is Turncoat > Angel > Seer > Vig > Wolves

PMs are out. Day 1 will start tomorrow afternoon. No actions tonight.

keith and sdm are the wolves. another perfect game for teh wufwuggles in the bag

all aboard!
wuf is obviously a wolf

In.

Thoughts about the game setup:

- vig gets to fire every night. If we get a bad vig this game will be over quick
- turncoat could be potentially be really bad for the village if he decides to work for the wolves before formally joining them
- wufwugy is obviously a wolf. Unless the vig fires every night in which case he's the vig

Wufwugy, dhubermex, jackvance, keith, ongbonga, and SDM are all playing “poker”.

I'm playing poker? I think I would last longer in bed with a Dallas Cowboys cheerleader than at a poker table.

Turncoat is tricky to deal with. S/He'll prob wanna play wolf. Well is a wolf. With a small field that's a tough role.

Let's hope for a sensible vig or this will be a short game.

At work but quick observation: if the turncoat doesn't go for the wolf team, it seems like the village is advantaged due to number and special strength. I'm wondering if there are some powers or kinks being hidden for us to balance it out.

Turncoat has no choice. It says in the op that he is a wolf.

I've missed the paranoia and desperate attempts at logical reasoning that werewolf brings.

Bigred and Hoopy are playing videogames in the ship's expansive lounge. The most immaculately maintained technologies of the ancient work-a-day world were their gaming systems which have reared, educated, and fascinated for generations.

Heh, very true.

I've seen Eric around before, but who's dhubermex?

Probably a wolf!

hoopy must be a wolf for throwing out suspicion on a noob.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

hoopy must be a wolf for throwing out suspicion on a noob.

Gator even more wolfy for saying stuff like this!

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Gator even more wolfy for saying stuff like this!

Hoopy even MORE wolfy for saying Gator is wolfy when Gator is always wolfy.

Fuck Israel.

Ok I know how to deal with the turncoat. I'll act really wolfy, and he'll reach out to me, and I'll go HAHAHA SUCKER and tell the village who he is.

Either that or vig should hunt him.

"Turncoat counts as a villager towards win conditions"

Doesn't this mean he helps us by being alive more than the wolves and only helps the wolves if he becomes a regular wolf?

could have sworn i posted this morning with ways to exploit the turncoat situation.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

I've seen Eric around before, but who's dhubermex?

Probably a wolf!

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ex-197687.html

Yeah but if we're banking on him being villager, he can fuck us overnight unexpectedly, and all it takes is for him to read a single wolf. Too risky. We have to consider him a wolf and as such I want him dead.

Wolf ong reaching out to the turncoat?

post i thought i'd made asked rilla to clarify how turncoat blocking/reaching out worked. i.e does he block a player and if its a wolf he becomes a wolf and if he's villager the blocked player knows who the turncoat is. once someone knows who the turncoat is out him . angel and seer can then look up/protect the revealer. then we can have a protected confirmed villager and vig can shoot the turncoat. wolves can then play chicken with the angel guessing which day the angel is protecting the revealer. seer looking up the revealer prevents the wolves from fake outing the turncoat. downside is if turncoat targets the seer/angel.

If turncoat wants to play for the village and aim for a village win then he could announce who he's blocking . does turncoat then get described as a wolf if he hits a wolf ....if so it acts as a pseudo wolf hunter. downside is if turncoat lies about who he blocks.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

keith and sdm are the wolves. another perfect game for teh wufwuggles in the bag

Why didn't you try to soulread the turncoat wufwuggles?

Originally Posted by rong

Wolf ong reaching out to the turncoat?

dan turncoat trying to reach maybe ongwolf?

I guess it's time to join the fun. Hoopy broke all the controllers after I went German on his Brazillian ass in Fifa. I don't even know why folks are wasting time. It's day 1. lynch gator .

Annddd it's night 0 apparently. rescind gator .

Originally Posted by bigred

I guess it's time to join the fun. Hoopy broke all the controllers after I went German on his Brazillian ass in Fifa. I don't even know why folks are wasting time. It's day 1. lynch gator .

bigred has two posts already, and it's not day four yet. He must have an exciting role.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Why didn't you try to soulread the turncoat wufwuggles?

there are two wolves. do they teach arithmetic in britain? maybe they should teach arithmetic in britain.

Wuf's the turncoat.

So the point I was making wuf is that you claim perfect soulread, name your two wolves, but don't name the turncoat. I wonder why that is? If I were gonna bullshit a soulread on post one, I'd throw in a turncoat too on the off chance I bink a perfect soulread that I can brag about. So maybe you're trying to disguise a message to the wolves as wuf jokey intro comment.

God I'm so fucking good at this game.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

So the point I was making wuf is that you claim perfect soulread, name your two wolves, but don't name the turncoat. I wonder why that is? If I were gonna bullshit a soulread on post one, I'd throw in a turncoat too on the off chance I bink a perfect soulread that I can brag about. So maybe you're trying to disguise a message to the wolves as wuf jokey intro comment.

God I'm so fucking good at this game.

maybe i saw that the wolf team is two players and i thought "i hope it's my favoritest players ever, keith and sdm, who hate each other so much it's hilarious"

god you're so good at this game.

Oh I see how that relates to arithmetic in British schools.

So I'm playing poker at a 6-max table in the year 2100... things haven't changed much over the course of nearly a century.

This is my first time playing Werewolf online, but there are already some wolfish posts in the thread in my opinion. I agree that Ong could be potentially reaching out as the Turncoat, and wufwugy strikes me as a tricky wolf because I haven't been able to pick up a read on him in this poker game we're playing.

Is there a specific time when Day 1 begins or is it whenever a500lbgorilla announces it has begun?

Ah we're on schedule weirding out the newcomers.

Originally Posted by rong

Turncoat has no choice. It says in the op that he is a wolf.

Yes but he doesn't count as a wolf for the win condition, he doesn't know who the other wolves are and they don't know him. So for all intents and purposes he is a villager. Unless he can reveal to a wolf but that's a risk because if he picks a villager he'll for sure be outed. Am I missing something?

He can block specials if they out or gamble based on his reads so we'll want to kill him of course if we can find him.

Originally Posted by dhubermex

Last edited by dhubermex; Today at 07:15 PM.

This is an excellent way to make people paranoid of you.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

This is an excellent way to make people paranoid of you.

Because you need help being paranoid!

I had some whiskey in real life over the weekend so my whiskey work in the game makes sense.

Originally Posted by bigred

Because you need help being paranoid!

Only a wolf would accuse me of being paranoid.

"Nnnyuhhh, this is your captain speaking. If you'll take note of the safety belt signs that should be illuminating in the forward of the compartment, I'd greatly appreciate you securing yourself for a bit of a bump." The intercom broadcasts in that typical campy captain's voice that every single pilot seems to adopt.

There are no safety belt signs. There is no captain.

The Horseshead jerks wildly to one side knocking everyone around, alarms begin blaring.

"Nnnnnyuhh, this is your captain speaking. And one hell of a captain, I am. I told you to buckle up."

When the chaos settled down, all hands instinctively made their way to the command module, where a tape recorder was wired to the intercom system. Along side it was an expository note, describing how two peacenicks had stowed on bored, pretending to be part of the crew, and who were bent on sabotaging the mission by picking off crewmen one-by-one during each "night phase". It even took some detail to describe how the length between kills is largely arbitrary since there is no planet or star to dictate what a night or day should be, but to expect a day to be around 48hrs a pop.

"Well someone's gotta die for this!"

All agreed, and put it to a vote.

It's Day 1

Please refrain from editing posts. Edits are frowned upon.

7 votes to lynch

48 hours until "sundown"

lynch sdm he's effectively a turncoat anyway.

lynch keith for not bolding his vote

Well now that the game finally started, time for some actual soulpwnage

Ong = not a wolf

If he is a wolf and he came up with a case for why he thinks I'm the turncoat, he likely would believe it and not talk about it. If he's a wolf, it means he doesn't think I'm the turncoat yet tried to explain why I am. I think this behavior is quite unlikely if he's a wolf

That said, he could be the turncoat. It's the whole "let me call somebody else the turncoat so I look like I'm hunting the turncoat" thing. Maybe Ong would also do this as a villager because he's spazz

So yeah, Ong isn't a wolf because of this turncoat business, but he might be the turncoat. I don't care if he might be the turncoat right now, though, because I think the best way for the village to lose is to focus on him. He's not a wolf and he doesn't know who the wolves are

I like a gubu lunch

lynch gabe

He said he's gonna be busy this game, which makes him unusually dangerous.

Other than that, I have no opinion about who to lynch because everybody is either a good player, a brandnewb, the ballinest baller that ever baller'd (sdm), or warble garble farble (bugrud)

He's not a wolf and he doesn't know who the wolves are

Talk to me about arithmetics again wuf.

Seriously though, this could be a pov slip. Wuf is looking for someone who knows who "wolves" are? There's only two wolves, so one wolf only knows the identity of one more. Wolf, not wolves. Singular, not plural.

idk, this doesn't sit right with me. He's shown beyond any doubt that he's totally aware we're looking for two wolves, but he's phrasing stuff that implies multiple wolves. It feels more like a careless slip from someone failing to think like a villager.

lynch wuf

And no, before anyone chimes in, it doesn't make a great deal of sense to me. Call it gut.

I think the only way I can explain this read is that I don't think it comes from a villager mindset. I'm already aware I'm looking for interactions between pairs, wuf hasn't got into this frame of mind yet because otherwise his comment that I quote above makes little sense.

So I think he made a mistake.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

"Turncoat counts as a villager towards win conditions"

Doesn't this mean he helps us by being alive more than the wolves and only helps the wolves if he becomes a regular wolf?

And this doesn't sit well either. Gator thinks we're better off keeping the turncoat around? He's a smart man, yet he's failing to consider how much it can hurt us if suddenly overnight there's one extra wolf and one less villager, along with any kills?

gator and wuf wolves.

dan for turncoat.

That's a d1 soulread wuffles.

think your argument is wrong Ong. Think you should be using the fact that only the two wolves know who the non wolves are this early in the game. The quote you posted could be a subtle hint to the turncoat though that he knows who is a villager which only a wolf could know at this stage.
rescind sdm
lynch wuf

Well my argument is he's not thinking like a villager. So if he turns out to be wolf, I was right.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

And this doesn't sit well either. Gator thinks we're better off keeping the turncoat around? He's a smart man, yet he's failing to consider how much it can hurt us if suddenly overnight there's one extra wolf and one less villager, along with any kills?

gator and wuf wolves.

dan for turncoat.

That's a d1 soulread wuffles.

This is the first game I have played (at least that I remember) with a turncoat so I am not completely up to speed on how the role works.

Ong, you misread what I said. It is correct that the turncoat does not know who the wolves are

Originally Posted by OngBonga

He's shown beyond any doubt that he's totally aware we're looking for two wolves, but he's phrasing stuff that implies multiple wolves.

Two wolves is multiple wolves.

Do you find it ironic that you are making the exact kind of mistake that you are calling a wolf mistake? Do you find it interesting that FTR regs basically never get caught on these kinds of mistakes and that the players that do them the most are villagers? It's because they're not telling of baddiedom because they're the easiest things to avoid, yet they are telling of villagerdom because villagers tend to not be looking to try to avoid them


Keep flinging shit, see what lands. It's the ongie way

I'm just upset that jums isn't playing. 100% I'd put all my money on his Day 1 pick. Dude has been on fire with those

Do you find it ironic that you are making the exact kind of mistake that you are calling a wolf mistake?

I am? Explain how I'm not thinking like a villager.

My point about you is that your comment does not seem to come from a villager pov. That's what I'm saying is a wolf mistake. Poor choice of language is not in itself what I'm concerned about.

Wuf deflecting onto jums talk, that's somewhat odd as well. Seems like a *cough* change of conversation, with a very very subtle discredit of d1 reads for those in this game by bigging up someone who isn't.

I've never known wuf be a wolf, I think he'll struggle to play it well after being villager so many times. This certainly doesn't feel like regular wuf to me. This feels like someone out of his comfort zone.

Originally Posted by Keith

think your argument is wrong Ong. Think you should be using the fact that only the two wolves know who the non wolves are this early in the game. The quote you posted could be a subtle hint to the turncoat though that he knows who is a villager which only a wolf could know at this stage.
rescind sdm
lynch wuf

I can see where you're coming from here keith.

The ong = not wolf comment can be a message to the turncoat. I don't think that alone is particularly damning, because rong is kinda right in that my comment, at least from a villager pov, could be a wolf hinting to the turncoat. But I know that's not the case. But considering there's other reasons to suspect wuf, it adds to the case for sure.

haha if wuf finally got wolf and got sniffed out straight away, that would make me laugh so hard.

A dead gator is a good gator. ​lynch gator

lunch the howling peacenik
lynch wuf

Originally Posted by bigred

A dead gator is a good gator. ​lynch gator

No time for random lynches this game! Game will be over fairly quickly due to the low number of players + high amount of specials.

Originally Posted by dhubermex

This is my first time playing Werewolf online, but there are already some wolfish posts in the thread in my opinion. I agree that Ong could be potentially reaching out as the Turncoat, and wufwugy strikes me as a tricky wolf because I haven't been able to pick up a read on him in this poker game we're playing.

Have you played irl before?

Originally Posted by jackvance

He can block specials if they out or gamble based on his reads so we'll want to kill him of course if we can find him.

The block is nasty, especially in endgame.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Seriously though, this could be a pov slip. Wuf is looking for someone who knows who "wolves" are? There's only two wolves, so one wolf only knows the identity of one more. Wolf, not wolves. Singular, not plural.

idk, this doesn't sit right with me. He's shown beyond any doubt that he's totally aware we're looking for two wolves, but he's phrasing stuff that implies multiple wolves. It feels more like a careless slip from someone failing to think like a villager.

Wuf is speculating that you're not a wolf, and that you don't know who the wolves are. I don't see what's suspicious about this. 'Wolves' is the correct word here.

obv the first people to start bickering accuse eachother. im not falling for that but we cant really use it to accuse wuf or ong

lynch daven for a random day 1 shot

I also don't get the wuf thing.

To a500lbgorilla:

My apologies for the post edit. Keith had warned me that I would need to go through the previous games to get a feel for how to play and what things to avoid. I remember seeing a reference to post editing in another game thread, but it's a lot to absorb. Regardless, I will refrain from editing my posts going forward.

To rong:

I've played once irl. My experiences with the game are outlined in Post #5 of this thread: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...nd-197714.html

To all:

How in the world are we supposed to draw conclusions on the player posts in this thread? I guess that's the fun thing about this game (especially online) in that we can attempt to guess based on what others are posting and make accusations as well.

My understanding is that we have to come to a consensus on who to lynch?

I say lynch wuf.

Originally Posted by dhubermex

My understanding is that we have to come to a consensus on who to lynch?

I say lynch wuf.

Why do you want to lynch wuf?

Wuf is speculating that you're not a wolf, and that you don't know who the wolves are. I don't see what's suspicious about this. 'Wolves' is the correct word here.

It's the context that raised my eyebrows. From wuf's pov, the way he phrases that, it implies that one wolf can lead to multiple wolves. That's not the case, because if we find one wolf, there's only one left. The reason I find it dodgy is because it doesn't seem to come from a villager mindset, he's not thinking like me. It's not a slam dunk wolf tell, obviously. But it's the only thing really that stands out for me, other than gator neglecting to think through the turncoat role before commenting on it.

I would've found a different way to phrase what wuf said.

That said, if wuf is a villager, I'm liking daven the least. Two posts, both short anti-wuf comments, very little input, not impressed.

I can flip to a Daven lynch. He's low posting with zero content (all star mode) like me. Probably a liability. Like me!

Originally Posted by rong

I also don't get the wuf thing.

I also like a rong lynch. Weak defense of probable villager, no real commitment...super all star mode

Originally Posted by dhubermex

My understanding is that we have to come to a consensus on who to lynch?

Have a quick read through the last game, should give you a bit of a flavor of what goes on.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-197341.html

These two posts don't sit well with me. It's like he is trying too much at times to look like a newbie, but there is evidence that he isn't.

In the first one he makes sure to mention that this is his first time playing online yet then follows with "wolfish" posts. Can anyone remember being able to pick out a wolfish post in your first game?

Originally Posted by dhubermex

This is my first time playing Werewolf online, but there are already some wolfish posts in the thread in my opinion. .....

Two things stand out in this one. First he says he reviewed another game (which should have clearly shown him the game mechanics) yet he wonders if the goal is to get to a lynch consensus.

Secondly his "How in the world are we supposed to draw conclusions on the player posts in this thread?" goes directly against this previous comment about "wolfish posts"

Originally Posted by dhubermex

Keith had warned me that I would need to go through the previous games to get a feel for how to play and what things to avoid. I remember seeing a reference to post editing in another game thread, but it's a lot to absorb.

How in the world are we supposed to draw conclusions on the player posts in this thread? I guess that's the fun thing about this game (especially online) in that we can attempt to guess based on what others are posting and make accusations as well.

My understanding is that we have to come to a consensus on who to lynch?

I say lynch wuf.

I think the newbie rolled wolf in his first game and want to lynch Mr. Mex

Gator with an interesting point. Looking it over, here's what I see

Originally Posted by dhubermex

This is my first time playing Werewolf online, but there are already some wolfish posts in the thread in my opinion. I agree that Ong could be potentially reaching out as the Turncoat, and wufwugy strikes me as a tricky wolf because I haven't been able to pick up a read on him in this poker game we're playing.

How in the world are we supposed to draw conclusions on the player posts in this thread? I guess that's the fun thing about this game (especially online) in that we can attempt to guess based on what others are posting and make accusations as well.

He suggests he doesn't know how to draw conclusions on wolves, but earlier was drawing conclusions on wolves

The problem is this isn't damaging. It's reasonable for a new player to say he thinks he has an idea of what he's doing but also say he doesn't know what he's doing. If Huber's a villager, he basically said this: "I guess such n such is wolfy" then came back the next day and said "I don't think I know what wolfy is". That's not always inconsistent, but it is an eyebrow raiser. I think Gator's case is the strongest of all the cases so far, but all the cases have been weak. It's to be expected on Day 1

rescind gubu lunch huber

Oooh caught this

Originally Posted by dhubermex

I agree that Ong could be potentially reaching out as the Turncoat

Nobody actually suggested that Ong is the turncoat and is reaching out. Rong suggested Ong could be a wolf reaching out to the turncoat (not as). This is the kind of slip up that could be possible if Huber is a wolf and he and his baddy-buddy had discussed the possibility that Ong is the turncoat. If this is the case, he could have accidentally thought "as" when he meant "to"

Granted, it's a typo a very high percentage of the time. But it does have value if it's a part of a larger read

Reading wuf's posts again, maybe there is something there. He keeps using the phrase "I'm the turncoat" over and over in his post, in context of course, but still. Almost like he wants to leave a subliminal message.

Now to be fair, I've just done the same thing in that paragraph, so maybe this is complete bullshit.

Huh? Wuf voting to lynch a noob on d1? Someone trawl through all the old games until they find a post where he says he'd never do that. I can't be bothered, I'm playing "poker".

I also think that if mex is a villager, there's likely to be a wolf between dan and wuf, but highly unlikely that both are wolves.

As OngBonga turns over his hand and moves to scoop the pot, another player helpfully notes that 5 red cards is not a very strong hand.

OngBonga sighs as he returns to "playing" "poker"

The "don't lynch nubs on d1" thing is about not doing it for no reason or because they're nubs. If a nub actually gives a reason to think he's a wolf, the rule doesn't apply

did something just happen?