Werewolf: To The Edge

No

Ooh ooh ooh, do me with videogames! High score!

But I have five red aces! Surely that's a good hand!

Originally Posted by Hoopy

I've seen Eric around before, but who's dhubermex?

Probably a wolf!

is this hoopy trying tooo hard to distance himself from huber. Huber posted the more lynchings this weekend thread and hoopy commented in that thread. Is it hard to beleive that anyone looking at a possible signup thread wouldn't look at the first post if it was from an unknown and by looking at the first post he would have seen his FTR forum manager badge under his avatar.Also there was a big announcement thread saying that he was the new forum manager.

Originally Posted by dhubermex

So I'm playing poker at a 6-max table in the year 2100... things haven't changed much over the course of nearly a century.

This is my first time playing Werewolf online, but there are already some wolfish posts in the thread in my opinion. I agree that Ong could be potentially reaching out as the Turncoat, and wufwugy strikes me as a tricky wolf because I haven't been able to pick up a read on him in this poker game we're playing.

Is there a specific time when Day 1 begins or is it whenever a500lbgorilla announces it has begun?

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Have you played irl before?

also from that first thread huber posted this

Originally Posted by dhubermex

Thanks for the reply Ong.

I'll bump this thread next week when the villagers have recovered from the holiday then.

I'm looking forward to participating in my first online Werewolf game. I only played it briefly in HS when our D&D dungeon master's GF interrupted our warm-up stroll through Cat's Cradle with a contraband bottle of John Daniels (whoooo aahhhh). The game didn't last long because the DM retired to a bedroom with his GF shortly thereafter and left us to seek change for a million-dollar bill in Leisure Suit Larry, but the Werewolf game showed promise.

Hi to you too. As I mentioned in the OP, I'm up for some wolf-hunting. The air has quickly become stale here at the Inn and I'm beginning to suspect Ong is on the prowl for his next victim even before the roles are assigned.

Lynch Ong has a nice ring to it.

so huber has posted his experience so why did hoopy have to ask that ?

Originally Posted by dhubermex

To a500lbgorilla:

My apologies for the post edit. Keith had warned me that I would need to go through the previous games to get a feel for how to play and what things to avoid. I remember seeing a reference to post editing in another game thread, but it's a lot to absorb. Regardless, I will refrain from editing my posts going forward.

To rong:

I've played once irl. My experiences with the game are outlined in Post #5 of this thread: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...nd-197714.html

To all:

How in the world are we supposed to draw conclusions on the player posts in this thread? I guess that's the fun thing about this game (especially online) in that we can attempt to guess based on what others are posting and make accusations as well.

My understanding is that we have to come to a consensus on who to lynch?

I say lynch wuf.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Have a quick read through the last game, should give you a bit of a flavor of what goes on.

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...ad-197341.html

again hoopy ignoring info that huber has already provided . in the post quoted above , huber has already said that i'd advised him to read through some previous games to get the hang of the game and that he'd seen reference to not editing posts in the games he read. so why advise him to read the last game to get an idea of whats going on.


Hoopy just seems to be going over the top in emphasizing that he doesn't know anything about dhuber. POssible that they could be the two wolves.


also ....can we settle on an abbreviation for huber or mex .

also ....can we settle on an abbreviation for huber or mex .

Surely anything obvious is fine.

Bigred struts triumphantly out of the bathroom declaring, "Pretty sweet game called the 'Glory Hole' in there."

He nonchalantly smirks, "yeah, I got the High Score."

huburmux

does kuuth approve? ungbungu?

Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla

Bigred struts triumphantly out of the bathroom declaring, "Pretty sweet game called the 'Glory Hole' in there."

He nonchalantly smirks, "yeah, I got the High Score."

awesomeness in this thread!!!

lynch gator

To answer a question that was posted previously, wuf scares me. It's hard to get a read on him and I suppose the odds are that any given person is a villager, but he's so trick-sy that I've gathered zero information on him despite all his participation so far.

Admittedly, I don't have any better justification than that. Lynch him imo but not if someone has a clear read on him to the contrary. Does anyone?

Can we get a clarification on the turncoat's abilities? I think it works like this: if he selects a villager at night, then the villager's actions are blocked. If he selects a wolf, he becomes a wolf. Is that correct? I can't find the role on mafiascum.

Originally Posted by dhubermex

To answer a question that was posted previously, wuf scares me. It's hard to get a read on him and I suppose the odds are that any given person is a villager, but he's so trick-sy that I've gathered zero information on him despite all his participation so far.

Admittedly, I don't have any better justification than that. Lynch him imo but not if someone has a clear read on him to the contrary. Does anyone?

Day 1 is a crapshoot. I think it's going to be especially bad in this day because there are only 2 wolves so a lot of people are talking in circles.

Ong is all over the place like last game. I don't know if this is his playstyle or not. I think villager for now. I don't care much for his wuf's slip of the tongue theory.
Hoopy seems to be his usual self.
Gator I'm reading as a wolf. But I read him as a wolf every game.
Bigred is participating a lot. I think he has already posted more in this game than in most games he plays. https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2934180352/h3221F6D9/
jv is talking a lot. My favorite for turncoat.
keith is playing his usual wolfvillager.
gabe's avatar is giving me the urge to buy the Stick of Truth.
rong appears to be playing his standard game.
The new guys seem to be making mistakes but I think villagers are more likely to look like wolves on day 1 than actual wolves.


In conclusion gator is a wolf.

lynch gator

Am I the only person who understood rilla's seemingly clear turncoat description?

As I understand it, turncoat has a choice at night -

a) attempt to reach out to the wolves by selecting a person he thinks is a wolf. If he selects a villager, then that villager is told who the turncoat is.

b) attempt to roleblock a villager. Nothing happens if he picks a powerless villager or wolf.

Now, seeing as that's really obvious to me, based on the words that rilla channeled from his brain to his fingers to his computer through the internet to our monitors and finally into our eyes, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the turncoat is playing dumb regarding his role. That looks to me at a glance to be gator, keith, sdm. I reckon turncoat is one of them three.

Wait SDM just towned me after saying I'm all over the place like last game? Wasn't I a wolf last game?

And how is JV talking a lot? He has 4 posts. It's me and wuf talking a lot, no surprises there. Next in the list is gator, then bigred. That's fucking dodgy.

rescind

FIVE IN A ROW BITCHES

Originally Posted by dhubermex

To answer a question that was posted previously, wuf scares me. It's hard to get a read on him and I suppose the odds are that any given person is a villager, but he's so trick-sy that I've gathered zero information on him despite all his participation so far.

Admittedly, I don't have any better justification than that. Lynch him imo but not if someone has a clear read on him to the contrary. Does anyone?

Another interesting post. Since when does a newbie NOT defend themself when attacked?

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Am I the only person who understood rilla's seemingly clear turncoat description?

As I understand it, turncoat has a choice at night -

a) attempt to reach out to the wolves by selecting a person he thinks is a wolf. If he selects a villager, then that villager is told who the turncoat is.

b) attempt to roleblock a villager. Nothing happens if he picks a powerless villager or wolf.

Now, seeing as that's really obvious to me, based on the words that rilla channeled from his brain to his fingers to his computer through the internet to our monitors and finally into our eyes, I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that the turncoat is playing dumb regarding his role. That looks to me at a glance to be gator, keith, sdm. I reckon turncoat is one of them three.

I read it the same way, and one more caveat. Turncoat counts towards villager win unless he pegs wolf and becomes a wolf.

Going to bed and won't be free till the afternoon. As usual, since I'm in a different timezone than everybody else, I'll be away while you decide the lynch.

I think every lynch option is weak, but Huburmux seems okay so I'll stay

I don't have much read on anybody other than I think Ong is a not-wolf. If he is a wolf, he would have kept his mouth shut about his idea about me being turncoat. Unless he never believed it in the first place, but that seems a little too slick

I don't think Gator is a wolf either because I think he believes his Huburmux point, and it looks different than things I've seen him do as a wolf. Don't put too much into that read though since I think Gator is smart enough to evolve wolf play and do things he didn't use to.

I don't like a Daven lynch. Keep in mind that every Day 1, a wagon gets started on me (usually by Ong), most of the time Keith hops on, but Daven ALWAYS hops on. Seriously, always. I'm sure he touches himself while he does it. Daven has played Day 1 differently in other ways, though, but it's also in a direction that I've seen his normal play gradually take over the games

The rest of my thoughts on others are bleh at this point

lynch hubermex

His name is confusing which seems like a fair enough reason for a day 1 lynch. Most everyone else is playing as could be expected.

And I'm liking the story so far. Let's see how that develops.

I too believe my description was clear

Alright 10 hours to go.

Eric, daven and gabe have nothing at all.

Current vote count (can someone doublecheck)

hubermex - 4
wuf - 3
Gator - 2
daven - 1

lynch daven

I don't wanna lynch wuf. Don't like lynching the noob. Nobody has really done much, but day one so....


I suggest the 2 competing bandwagon theory. Everyone make a choice. If it's wuf v noob I'll lynch noob. I'm open to anyone really. Rilla once said this was the best approach and that's good enough for me to want to push it.

lynch gator for now. Ho looks wolfy to me as he always does. He used his standard "I'm not up to speed with this new thing" thing he often does, seen him do the "not up to speed with game theory like you young ones" before as a wolf and it's kinda the same thing. I mean how hard is it to understand the turncoat?

The problem with competing bandwagon theory is that it gives the wolves the best tool they ever need: make the village choose between two villagers and revel in all the infighting that ensues. I do agree however that what lately seems to happen a lot isn't optimal either, namely all the votes scatter out and everyone is afraid to bandwagon. As we've seen this gives the wolves way too much power. The optimal strategy for the village is probably somewhere inbetween these two extremes.

rescind and lynch gator


seems good for the village

I don't think I like a gator lynch. Dude is suspicious, sure. He always is. But he's more active on d1 than he usually is. That would be a wolf tell for everyone except gator. He's been wolf so often recently that I think he'd be much happier to be a villager. I suspect his high interest is because that's the role he got.

So not in any hurry to plough into this wagon.

Fuck it, I wanna see wuf hang on d1 so I can touch myself.

lynch wuf

At least Ong is paying attention. Can't say the same for Gabe. If I die and Mex (or Uber or whatever) turns out to be a wolf Gabe should be looked at pretty hard.

Btw, everyone seems to be focused on my comments about turncoat so I guess I should explain my comments a little more.

At current setup the turncoat counts as a villager and he has a choice to be either pro villager or pro wolf. If we see a role blocked we would know he is pro wolf however if he reaches out to a player who is most likely villager then, imo, he may be declaring his pro villager status.

So I am not sure why we would automatically lynch the turncoat if he reveals himself to someone. THAT is what I was asking about the role, not the mechanics of the role (which were pretty clear).

hoopys vote above looks suspicious to me . two leaders being pointed at as possible wolves in huber and wuf and he plumps for daven with no explanation, that just doesn't look right to me.

I don't think we lynch the turncoat if a villager exposes him. Better would be for the vig to deal with him.

Turncoat could choose to play pro-wolf or pro-village, but either way he's a wolf for all intents and purposes. We cannot find ourselves in a situation where we NEED the turncoat on our side to avoid defeat, because otherwise wolves have too much power. They can take out a villager to reduce our numbers, and the turncoat can change sides, reducing our numbers further. That could be critical.

So if we find the turncoat, vig deals with him. That's optimal play regarding turncoat imo. If he blocks specials and remains hidden, well ideally the wolves eat him.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Turncoat could choose to play pro-wolf or pro-village, but either way he's a wolf for all intents and purposes. We cannot find ourselves in a situation where we NEED the turncoat on our side to avoid defeat, because otherwise wolves have too much power. They can take out a villager to reduce our numbers, and the turncoat can change sides, reducing our numbers further. That could be critical.

Definitely agree with this.

Originally Posted by jackvance

The problem with competing bandwagon theory is that it gives the wolves the best tool they ever need: make the village choose between two villagers and revel in all the infighting that ensues. I do agree however that what lately seems to happen a lot isn't optimal either, namely all the votes scatter out and everyone is afraid to bandwagon. As we've seen this gives the wolves way too much power. The optimal strategy for the village is probably somewhere inbetween these two extremes.

See while I agree with what you're saying this is also a good post if you're a wolf.

Who do you want to lynch JV?

Originally Posted by Keith

hoopys vote above looks suspicious to me . two leaders being pointed at as possible wolves in huber and wuf and he plumps for daven with no explanation, that just doesn't look right to me.

I don't think wuf is wolfin, huber is a question mark.

daven hasn't helped so far.

How can the turncoat choose to be town? He's a wolf, just doesn't know his buddies. That's like saying a wolf could just choose to be pro village.

See:

The Turncoat is a wolf that counts as a villager towards win conditions. He does not know the other wolves nor do the wolves know him. Each night, the turncoat may choose to block one player's actions for the night phase (can't block wolf kills), or to reach out to the wolf team. If he chooses to reach out to a surviving wolf, he'll join up as a full fledged vanilla wolf. If he chooses a villager, that villager will know the turncoat's identity.

I think I've got a good idea of hoopy's wolf game, and I don't think this is it.

Not so sure about dan, getting a funny vibe off him.

Get funny vibes all you like but don't start planning for the time a wolf decides to play for the village.

I'm not. As far as I'm concerned the turncoat is a fully fledged wolf.

Then why did you say this above? :

"Turncoat could choose to play pro-wolf or pro-village, but either way he's a wolf for all intents and purposes."

That's saying that the turncoat could decide to play town? That is retarded.

I was responding to a comment gator made. Why are you taking innocuous comments out of context dan?

That's not out of context. Not even a little bit. I even made sure to include the "either way he's a wolf..." bit so it wasn't like I was twisting your words.

The only thing that really matters is that, while the turncoat may count as a villager for the win condition, his own win condition is with the wolves. If the village wins he loses. The phrasing is a bit ambiguous because he can "reach out to the village" but that just means he fucked up.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Who do you want to lynch JV?

I bolded mex on this page. Looks a bit like Hoopy's trying to slide by with some innocuous comments that look like he is paying attention while he isn't.

lynch gator

It's out of context dan because you give the impression that it's me who first suggested that the turncoat might play pro-town, when actually I was echoing gator, while pointing out that I consider the turncoat a wolf. Then you challenge me on the comments. You're either being dumb, or you're seeking thin reasons to prod people. I'm more inclined to think the latter.

You was echoing gator? So he said something stupid, you realised it was stupid yet then proceeded to say the same thing. Right... What?

I feel like I'm trying to explain myself to a stupid child. You're not a stupid child.

Here is a scenario where turncoat could be pro village:

He doesn't block anyone, seer (at some point) reveals villager lookups (and we confirm seer is actually seer), then that night turncoat looks up a confirmed villager who can now confirm his role.

I am not saying it is feasible and, as Ong mentioned, this is fraught with issues if Turncoat is still around at endgame, but it is a plausible scenario.

Originally Posted by Eric

lynch gator

solid analysis Eric. Thanks for playing.

No. Its not plausible. I dont mean the turncoat can't play in a pro village way, I mean his role is that of a wolf so why would he?

Originally Posted by rong

No. Its not plausible. I dont mean the turncoat can't play in a pro village way, I mean his role is that of a wolf so why would he?

True and again, the only thing I was mentioning was a possible flaw in killing him immediately once he is outed. There could be value in leaving him alive since he can't communicate with the other wolf.

VC?

Night

Player - Votes for

jackvance - dhuber
hoopy - daven
dhubermex - wuf
gatorjh - dhuber
keith - wuf
sdm - gator
wufwugy - dhuber
ongbonga - wuf
gabe - gator
bigred - gator
eric - gator
rong - gator
daven -wuf

If you see an error, send me a pm.

Disclaimer: Anyone can and will appear in the narrative for no reason

GatorJH leans back in his chair sipping on 18 hour old whiskey, closing his eyes to the witchhunt. The years have been kind to his warm, greying face. He remembers when he was first sequestered in a village that was attacked by werewolves, and that time he was stuck on a ship adrift at sea, which was also attacked by werewolves. And maybe even a time or two where he was one himself.


"And now it's peaceniks. I've seen it all before."


Suddenly StillDeadMoney wheels about in the crowd, "AND What about you, Mr. Gator!?"


"What about me?"


"Well, for 1," he says, turning back to the crowd, "he was on the ship when the Peaceniks attacked. And, for 2, I say we kill him!"


The mob behind him found this reasoning to be very pleasing. For 1, they didn't have to die. And for 2...


"Do whatever you like, just don't bother me about it."


Gator's mind floats back to long past adventures as the rest of the Horseshead crew lift him in his chair, whiskey and all, and move him to the air lock.


As the inner doors close and the outer pitch open, Gator takes the last draw of some very fine space-whiskey.


GatorJH was a villager

Night 1

jackvance
hoopy
dhubermex
keith
sdm
wufwugy
ongbonga
gabe
bigred
eric
rong
daven


12 Players
2 Wolves
1 Turncoat
1 Seer
1 Angel
1 Vigilante
6 Villagers

GatorJH, lynched day 1

Specials and Wolves, send me your pms.

Night is clocked in for 24 hours.

"That Gator was a pretty chill dude. Right to the end." Gabe said to his reflection as he prepared to floss his teeth.


"Not me though," he grins as he opens his shirt displaying SURVIVOR tattooed across his chest. "I survive."


"It's all I do, all I know." Well, that and mirror-monologues. "My family is a long string of survivors. Survivors through every challenge, every great conflict and famine..." as his eyes drift off to the historic tenacity of his lineage, an axe swiftly buries itself in his brain.

Gabe was a villager


Night 1

jackvance
hoopy
dhubermex
keith
sdm
wufwugy
ongbonga
bigred
eric
rong
daven


11 Players
2 Wolves
1 Turncoat
1 Seer
1 Angel
1 Vigilante
5 Villagers

GatorJH, lynched day 1
gabe, eaten night 1

Day will last 72 hours on account of the weekend. So a Sunday afternoon lynchin'!

6 votes to lynch!

Wolves must be pretty chuffed with the first 24 hrs.

Also I figure more often than not the vig didn't shoot as opposed to shot and got blocked.

Originally Posted by rong

Wolves must be pretty chuffed with the first 24 hrs.

Why? Two regular villagers dead, and a seemingly sensible vig. It could be much worse.

Dan is a wolf. My first reaction was "awesome they missed". His reaction was not.

lynch rong

We just lost arguably the two best villagers in the game. That ain't so swell.

dan you are part of the reason gator is gone. You can't complain about the strong villagers we've lost when you voted to lynch one of them.

It's way too soon to be sweating, I'm not concerned yet. You seem to be trying too hard to be a villager.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

dan you are part of the reason gator is gone. You can't complain about the strong villagers we've lost when you voted to lynch one of them.

Yes I can.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

It's way too soon to be sweating, I'm not concerned yet. You seem to be trying too hard to be a villager.

lol so my initial reaction wasn't like a villager, but then it was like one who was trying to hard. Surely your reaction was more like a villager trying to hard and mine was that of a villager who was involved in killinh off one of the best villagers and feeling a bit meh over it.

The way you are acting, both today and with out back and forth yesterday (werewolf day) really reminds me of the dueling game where you were a wolf.

Yeah trying too hard to be a villager means you come across as unnatural.

Originally Posted by rong

VC?

And this. If you're a villager, you do the VC yourself. In fact you probably did, realised gator is in the lead, and sat back because it suits wolf agenda.

Your interaction with me is off. Normally you're suspicious as hell of me, wheras here you seem to be wasting time arguing pointless shit with me that is obviously not going to help you determine my alignment. And now I've started throwing shit at you, suddenly you're suspcious of me, comparing my game to previous wolf games. The duelling game? I was a wolf then was I? Funny that, because as I remember, that was the game I afk'd and bikes killed me by duelling me, and guess what, I was a villager.

Back that claim up with quotes and facts dan.
This is not your villager game dan.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Yeah trying too hard to be a villager means you come across as unnatural.



And this. If you're a villager, you do the VC yourself. In fact you probably did, realised gator is in the lead, and sat back because it suits wolf agenda.

Your interaction with me is off. Normally you're suspicious as hell of me, wheras here you seem to be wasting time arguing pointless shit with me that is obviously not going to help you determine my alignment. And now I've started throwing shit at you, suddenly you're suspcious of me, comparing my game to previous wolf games. The duelling game? I was a wolf then was I? Funny that, because as I remember, that was the game I afk'd and bikes killed me by duelling me, and guess what, I was a villager.

Back that claim up with quotes and facts dan.
This is not your villager game dan.

Riiiiiight. So requesting a VC is role indicative? Sure thing buddy. How about you back that up with some facts.

This is a prime example of what I find off about you and also how I spotted you last time. Your words and your actions don't add up. You say one thing but do another. You demand facts for my accusations and then sprout bullshit without facts yourself. You basically grab on to any piece of crap you can find and just present it like it's evidence of something when I doubt you even consider whether it is yourself before you type it.

And I'm not suddenly suspicious of you and neither were my conversations with you yesterday (werewolf day) not helping me to figure out your role. You were claiming something that was bullshit. That needs to be picked up on and I did exactly that and I was suspicious of you at that point which I thought would have been quite obvious from the tone of my posts.

Oh, and that game you were a wolf actually, and you challenged me to a duel and Boost silenced you and you lost.

LOL poor Gator. I guess he just scared everybody so much from his wolf games that he got easily lynched on Day 1. I thought he was one of the few decent shots at a villager, but reputation influences perceptions every time.

As weird as it sounds, I don't think the Gabe nom is bad for us. An inactive Gabe is a very dangerous Gabe. He's probably one of the hardest players to read, and if he's inactive, we kinda have to lynch him for that reason because if he's a wolf there's no way we'll be able to tell. This nom kept us from having to deal with him. He's an awesome wolf-hunter, but as seen in his last wolf game, he's undetectable if he wants to be. Add this to the fact that he's off pokering or something, and I don't think the village loses much with his death

I don't have an opinion on the vig. I mean, I do have an opinion, but as usual I don't like talking about specials. I think they're virtually always cognizant of what's going on and why (unless it's BID), and talking about it only helps the wolves

Okay so I know I've been saying the whole time that I think Ong is a not-wolf. I'm now going back on that. Or maybe I don't exactly have to go back on that because I think he's either a wolf or the turncoat. I was looking things over during the night phase and here's why I'm changing on Ong:

Gator makes his Huburmux post. I think it's good and I hop on. Ong berates me and has no opinion on Huber. A couple hours later Ong bolds Gator for...um...apparently no reason. SDM bolds Gator. Ong says he thinks the turncoat is Gator, Keith, or SDM. Then he says some random things about SDM and JV then rescinds Gator. Rong and Gabe bold Gator, but then Ong says he doesn't like a Gator wagon and bolds me again.

I'm looking at this sequence of events, and I'm thinking WTF? How does he bold Gator for no reason, unbold for no reason, include Gator in his turncoat suspicions (without including me, the person he was earlier confident was the turncoat), then say he doesn't like a Gator lynch and the reason he gives (upped activity levels) isn't that great and Gator's "upped activity levels" came before Ong originally bolded Gator in the first place?

Add to this the fact that Ong immediately accused my game opening post as a slip up and bolds me, yet he does the exact same thing to Rong just now. He blamed me for some simplistic mistakes and "not feeling like a villager", yet he has since forgotten about me, and is now saying about Rong the exact same "this feels unnatural" bullshit he said about me even though he wanted me dead all of Day 1 and was bolded on me at the end.

All he's doing is flopping around. I remember him doing exactly this the last time I played when he was a wolf. He just makes a bunch of seemingly illogical points, causing confusion and seeing what sticks. When he's a villager, at least he tries to keep himself from flapping everywhere and has some convictions. Now he has no convictions and is just gumming the works

On top of that, he doesn't have to be a wolf. I still think my point about how if he was a wolf he wouldn't have accused me of being a turncoat (because if he thought it was true, he would have not wanted to tell other villagers), but this doesn't mean he's a villager. It could mean he's the turncoat himself. I had a suspicion he is the turncoat early on, but I honestly think focusing on the turncoat will hurt the village, because he doesn't know who the wolves are, he doesn't count as a wolf unless he himself catches a wolf, and the game is won if we just find the first two wolves and be done with it. I'm honestly a little surprised Ong doesn't see that. But now I see that Ong is still talking about the turncoat. He keeps pointing the finger at everybody, saying turncoat this turncoat that. Looks to me like this is his misdirection. He wants to look like not-the-turncoat by making others look like the turncoat. It's smart, actually.

lynch ong

Oh yeah I remember duelling as a wolf, my mistake. I forgot about that one.

Still think you're a wolf dan. What you just did there was shout out a load of ong tells, and then present it as fishy. Next you'll be saying bigred is wolfy for posting cats.

Requesting a VC is not role indicative. Requesting one as the day nears its end when you're voting for a strong asset, and then disappearing, that is a lot more likely to be role indicative. There's a whole lot of wolf motivation there, seeing as gator, a strong villager, was leading the votes.

wuffles, wtf are you doing? I'm dropping so many villager tells it hurts, I thought you'd be the one to point them out and get uber village points from me.

I really should have proofed that better

Something I didn't explain fully is that Ong's accusation of me being the turncoat is no longer indicative of him being a not-wolf, because he's pointing the finger everywhere and it seems he doesn't even believe his accusations. He could do this as the turncoat himself, and he could also do it as a wolf as a way to look active or maybe trying to make it harder for the village to find the turncoat

Either way, Ong is contradicting himself everywhere. That's how you find baddies

Originally Posted by OngBonga

wuffles, wtf are you doing? I'm dropping so many villager tells it hurts, I thought you'd be the one to point them out and get uber village points from me.

I think you and I are opposites on what we think are tells

Besides, the fact that you think you're dropping village tells shows that you're actively trying to drop village tells, which is something baddies care about and villagers don't

lynch Ong