Werewolf Blank

Wuf, it was all the villageryness.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Well, good game everyone?

Good game! Honestly, I think that the only reason I slipped under the radar this game is because so much happened in those first few days. With boog fake outing and BID losing his mind, it was easy to keep a low profile.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Wuf, it was all the villageryness.

ya but, i need to know what specifically, so i can use it to my advantage.

i am easily the most villagery person on the planet when im an actual villager because im naturally an extremely open and honest person who loathes lying and misrepresenting stuff. im gonna need some help next time im a wolf since my brain doesnt function when it knows it's not telling the truth

BTW, I'm gonna relinquish my GOAT seer status (lol like I ever had it to begin with) to Benny. I think he got seriously lucky in his first seer game, but even without any luck in this game, he did better than I would have

Benny, what do you think about the strategy difference? What I mean is it seems you try to find villagers in high content areas, whereas mine has been stated as only trying to find middle of the road players. The ones I would have wanted to look up in this game are Gizmo, Hoopy, and Bigred. Basically ones that aren't gonna get lynched, aren't gonna get nommed, and are hard to read. This does, however, create a problem in keeping all the high content players unknowns

I thought the look ups were expert. I was a great night one look up, because I usually get enough heat to not get nommed, but have yet to actually be lynched (fuck knows how), so usually make it deep. TLR being confirmed was obv huge, he's a great player and was looking wolfy, so could easily have gotten lynched. And gizmo was going to be a problem to lynch had he not been scanned.

It's nice not having to fight to keep yourself alive, I knew exactly when I was going to die so I could relax and focus on detective work.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

BTW, I'm gonna relinquish my GOAT seer status (lol like I ever had it to begin with) to Benny. I think he got seriously lucky in his first seer game, but even without any luck in this game, he did better than I would have

Benny, what do you think about the strategy difference? What I mean is it seems you try to find villagers in high content areas, whereas mine has been stated as only trying to find middle of the road players. The ones I would have wanted to look up in this game are Gizmo, Hoopy, and Bigred. Basically ones that aren't gonna get lynched, aren't gonna get nommed, and are hard to read. This does, however, create a problem in keeping all the high content players unknowns

My basic theory this game (which just happened to also work like last time but won't necessarily work every time) is that I'm trying to assemble a team of villagers so that at the point I reveal, those people can actually figure shit out together.

Nightgizmo was a must lookup because TLR and Ong would have had nothing to figure shit out with on him but the downside was he was a smart guy who could contribute to a confirmed villager team. Nice downside.

Using information like whos viewing the thread, whos viewing the thread together, whos visiting rilla's page a lot, etc etc etc is in my opinion, the most underhanded and unethical ww tactic, second only to posting pm's received from mods.

Of course wolves will view the thread more than villagers, of course they will look at the mods profile more often because of pms. I think its cheating honestly, and ppl should play the game as its meant to be played, not by trying to find some out-of-game information that makes someone more likely to be a wolf.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves for using that kind of info to base your decisions in the thread, and not even being man enough to point it out in game.

We didnt lose because of this, we lost because of benny being the seer and having 5 confirmed players on day 2 where there was only 13 players (i count dan as a confirmed villager, there is no reason a wolf would name another wolf with the seer/bg god combo around). Still, its wrong.

There were two large problems with the seer bodyguard duo.

1) It allows for too many confirmed villagers in a game with so few players. This is disastrous for the opposing team and is independent of who the specials are.

2) It allows for no risk look ups, again independent of who the specials are. The wolves can do nothing but eat a confirmed special, allowing the seer to choose whoever he wanted with no risk at all. Both limiting the wolves choices at night, while also widening the seers.

The combination of 1) and 2) make the role way too powerful, and take some of the fun out of it imo as there is no night risk at all. There is no pressure to out early, there is no pressure to choose the right look up, there is no incentive to stay hidden.

I don't care for that kind of info too, and I kinda refused to comment on it either way because I didn't want to encourage it nor turn the thread into a clusterfuck of an ehtical debate. I didn't check rilla's profile to see who was looking at it, I too was getting impatient and wanted to see if he was online, then saw drew's comments. It nailed him as a villager for me, I tried to keep him alive but I refused to point the village to rilla's profile while the game was live. My first game as wolf, we were chatting in the den and I pointed out wuf was online but not posting, that maybe he's a special, and bikes, who was modding and on skype with us at the time, told me it was lame. I accepted it there and then that he was right and now avoid checking who's online and who's not. But it's not for me or anyone else to tell benny not to use info, that buck lies with the mod. Rilla let it go, thus so did I. But yeah, I do agree with you JKDS.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Using information like whos viewing the thread, whos viewing the thread together, whos visiting rilla's page a lot, etc etc etc is in my opinion, the most underhanded and unethical ww tactic, second only to posting pm's received from mods.

Werewolf ethics, lol.

IT'S A LYING GAME.

Originally Posted by JKDS

Using information like whos viewing the thread, whos viewing the thread together, whos visiting rilla's page a lot, etc etc etc is in my opinion, the most underhanded and unethical ww tactic, second only to posting pm's received from mods.

Of course wolves will view the thread more than villagers, of course they will look at the mods profile more often because of pms. I think its cheating honestly, and ppl should play the game as its meant to be played, not by trying to find some out-of-game information that makes someone more likely to be a wolf.

You should all be ashamed of yourselves for using that kind of info to base your decisions in the thread, and not even being man enough to point it out in game.

We didnt lose because of this, we lost because of benny being the seer and having 5 confirmed players on day 2 where there was only 13 players (i count dan as a confirmed villager, there is no reason a wolf would name another wolf with the seer/bg god combo around). Still, its wrong.

it is wrong, but it's also unavoidable. the list is there

i never based any of my play itt involving you on that though. it's not that reliable, tbh. for every example ive "found" a wolf this way, i have equal number of examples of just reg villagers acting the same. and i never actually base my play on it anyways (or at least try not to) because it blows.

hell, in the last game, i spent most of it thinking that stax was a special or a wolf because of how often he viewed the thread, but i STILL didnt let that play into things and still incorrectly thought he was a villager due to my process of discovery within the game thread

i think we need to just all set status to hidden. i dont know how yet, but im going to.

I set my status to hidden after benny was last seer, funnily enough.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I set my status to hidden after benny was last seer, funnily enough.

Mods can see who is hidden, rilla nailed me that in one game

using invisible mode now and recent visitors to only friends now

not sure if that works

Originally Posted by wufwugy

i think we need to just all set status to hidden. i dont know how yet, but im going to.

Use a different browser where you're not logged into FTR (like, use Firefox if Chrome is your main browser). Then you can refresh to your heart's content, and switch to your main browser when you want to post content.

I'm not sure how visible IP addresses are to admins, that's the only way I can think to pierce that veil.

Originally Posted by NightGizmo

Use a different browser where you're not logged into FTR (like, use Firefox if Chrome is your main browser). Then you can refresh to your heart's content, and switch to your main browser when you want to post content.

I'm not sure how visible IP addresses are to admins, that's the only way I can think to pierce that veil.

As long as you're not logged in this should work fine.

Interesting and fun game, thanks for modding Rilla

Too bad the wolves gave up, It would have been a close game I think

I worked under the assumption that Benny is going to lookup JKDS because he is hard as hell to read, and I was sure Hoopy was a wolf, I went after Dan and NG pretty hard because I wanted defenses and reaction from them, as the day progressed it became pretty evident to me that NightGizmo was a wolf, but I thought the last wolf is either Dan or Flomo.

I think that we would have lynched Hoopy and NG is the next two nights, with Benny and probably me getting nommed, and then it would have been down to Ong, Flomo, Dan and JKDS, which would have been a very interesting finale

Regarding the roles

1. I did not like the lost wolf role at all, it throws too much uncertainty into the game (having the lone wolf turned at night 3 or 4 would have been the deciding factor in the game) and it is really hard to the lost wolf to morally play right

2. Seer - bodyguard combo was interesting, I think it is weaker then angel-seer combo in the sense that if the seer is targeted the BG is dying (unlike angel), this is somehow compansated by the BG knowlege of the seer, so I dont think it was that bad

Small fields are an advantage to the wolves but also make the seer role very powerful (field is small so he can scan a larger % of the field and each wolf he gets is more critical to the game)

@wolves, did the Hoopy nom was based on a read or just a lucky break ?

Rather than seer-bodyguard in a small game, what about no seer and two angels? That could lead to some interesting strategy.

Originally Posted by wufwugy

I'm gonna lol soooooooooooo hard if BID makes it to endgame again (and bolds boog ofc)

This was 100% of my motivation to play this game. I have a thing for trying to prove people wrong.

Next game, I'm going to take yet another step in the right direction, as far as quality content goes.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

This was 100% of my motivation to play this game. I have a thing for trying to prove people wrong.

Next game, I'm going to take yet another step in the right direction, as far as quality content goes.

Less is more.

But also, you're still relatively new and it takes a few games for people to get used to you and your style and what it might mean.

Thanks for the advice and words of encouragement. It means a lot coming from you.

The Benny suckup thread is getting annoying.

Stop, pls.

Originally Posted by TLR

@wolves, did the Hoopy nom was based on a read or just a lucky break ?

Read. We strongly beleived Benny was the seer about 12 hours before he outted as well.

Re Hoopy: He posted a lot of things that specials would say. Posts asking about how specials should play, urging the vig not to shoot randomly, and some other things.

Re Benny: While we would have ended up noming him day 2, our reasoning for it was wrong. I got paranoid and thought he knew my role after an exchange i had with him day 2. We agreed in the end that he looked very much like a special at least

Day 1 was between BID and Hoopy for noms. BID was playing very different, but in the end we felt hoopy's behavior was much more typical of a special. Wufwuggy, TLR, flomo, bigred, and ong were ruled out for various reasons. Flomo and bigred mainly for the exchange after boog outted as the seer, TLR for his lost wolf info, wufwugy for posting silly things (well played), and we strongly felt that ong's thoughts on boog were more indicative of him thinking about the game than inside knowledge of who the seer/bg was.

For day 1, we were clueless about benny though acknowledged he was dangerous. Dan was looking very special like as well with his first few posts and quietness. In the end, we decided that we'd try and get you guys to lynch dan instead.

Hey JKDS. Good job getting your teammate lynched. WTG.

Also, the entire nomming process was based around finding the seer/bodyguard because of the threat they posed. Noming anyone that game for any reason other than special hunting is a very very big mistake imo.

Also also, i feel boog was on the chopping block day 1 mainly because of me. There is much to be said for subliminal messaging, and i feel i pushed his wagon way too hard. I was and still am completely surprised that i didnt get any villager credit for getting him lynched, considering it was such a huge fuck up on my part. Didnt get anything out of losing boog at all

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Originally Posted by BooG690

Hey JKDS. Good job getting your teammate lynched. WTG.

I didnt see this before i posted. lolol

doubt anyone gives a shit but..... #soulread!

Originally Posted by Penneywize

doubt anyone gives a shit but..... #soulread!

lol @ you

Originally Posted by JKDS

was and still am completely surprised that i didnt get any villager credit for getting him lynched, considering it was such a huge fuck up on my part. Didnt get anything out of losing boog at all

The lost wolf possibility didn't help.

Originally Posted by BooG690

The lost wolf possibility didn't help.

Yeah, for sure. JKDS, you were screwed either way. You don't play up the Boog thing, we get on you for acting differently.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Yeah, for sure. JKDS, you were screwed either way. You don't play up the Boog thing, we get on you for acting differently.

He had me fooled.



Great game everyone!
That includes rilla, the wolves, bid and danarong.


If I'm ever vig I'm shooting Bigred the second I get a bullet. Even if he is the confirmed seer.

Originally Posted by flomo

He had me fooled.

Yeah, I wavered a lot on JKDS, I don't mean to say it was obvious he was a wolf. I meant he could have acted like he did and got no credit for lynching Boog or backed off on the usual Boog comments and we'd have picked up on him playing differently. He couldn't make lemonade out dem lemons, I is sayin.

Originally Posted by JKDS

...and we strongly felt that ong's thoughts on boog were more indicative of him thinking about the game than inside knowledge of who the seer/bg was.

This is interesting, because I was so vocal about boog not being the seer so it looked to you guys like I might be the seer or bodyguard, I also tried to keep a low profile early on to make wolves think I might be special. Nice spot with hoopy, I didn't once consider him for lost wolf but it wouldn't have mattered because he was obv gonna be today's lynch had it got that far.

And yeah you're never ever getting villager cred for pushing a wolfboog lynch on day one. That's the problem with always voting for him on day one.

it's cool y'all didn't know i was the bodyguard. i shifted my style in certain ways, thought i might get spied due to it, but apparently not.

i make myself a bad nom tho. pretty much always. i point fingers so hard at the wrong people way too often

At least for me, you were never on my radar wuf. I think the other wolves had suspicions but we agreed in the end to remove you from the pool of targets.

@Ong: The low profile thing gave us pause, but you said you'd be playing different this game. You said somethings that were specially, others that werent, and in the end our theory on you rested on
A) Ong dumb, he just unwittingly outed himself
B) Ong smart, he just pieced it together

Honestly, we missed some options there that were possibilities and could have changed the game a little. Such as C) Ong did this same exact thing all game last game where he discredited specials (how could i miss that? i gave u so much crap for it)
and D) Ong is a wolf, therefore he knows boog is fos. D) could have changed the course of the game...but probably in favor of the village

Originally Posted by JKDS

Read. We strongly beleived Benny was the seer about 12 hours before he outted as well.

Re Hoopy: He posted a lot of things that specials would say. Posts asking about how specials should play, urging the vig not to shoot randomly, and some other things.

Re Benny: While we would have ended up noming him day 2, our reasoning for it was wrong. I got paranoid and thought he knew my role after an exchange i had with him day 2. We agreed in the end that he looked very much like a special at least

Day 1 was between BID and Hoopy for noms. BID was playing very different, but in the end we felt hoopy's behavior was much more typical of a special. Wufwuggy, TLR, flomo, bigred, and ong were ruled out for various reasons. Flomo and bigred mainly for the exchange after boog outted as the seer, TLR for his lost wolf info, wufwugy for posting silly things (well played), and we strongly felt that ong's thoughts on boog were more indicative of him thinking about the game than inside knowledge of who the seer/bg was.

For day 1, we were clueless about benny though acknowledged he was dangerous. Dan was looking very special like as well with his first few posts and quietness. In the end, we decided that we'd try and get you guys to lynch dan instead.

Nice read, I would never have pegged Hoopy as special on day 1, I thought BID was and maybe Flomo;

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Rather than seer-bodyguard in a small game, what about no seer and two angels? That could lead to some interesting strategy.

I think it is too strong of a combination, they can just out and protect themselves or each other, which means the wolves cannot win with only one wolf

Two things of note:

1. Flomo was useful towards the end. I didn't think he had it in him.
2. TLR, hats off to you. It went something like this:

T. Dan you're looking wolfy.
D. Ima cry and and get pissy with you now. You're Shit at finding wolves.
T. Oh yeah, well check this out, gizmo is a wolf and I just figured that out using my awesome detective skills.
D. Doh!

Also, thanks rilla for modding. Good job as always.

And benny, you sooooooo getting got night one when I'm a wolf.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

Two things of note:

1. Flomo was useful towards the end. I didn't think he had it in him.
2. TLR, hats off to you. It went something like this:

T. Dan you're looking wolfy.
D. Ima cry and and get pissy with you now. You're Shit at finding wolves.
T. Oh yeah, well check this out, gizmo is a wolf and I just figured that out using my awesome detective skills.
D. Doh!

Also, thanks rilla for modding. Good job as always.

I leveled myself at some point during the game thinking Boog and you were both wolves, I was less convinced when we started the last day but kept the heat on you to see what we can get

You did a great job defending yourself in the last day

Originally Posted by DanAronG

And benny, you sooooooo getting got night one when I'm a wolf.

Yep, Benny ruled the game as seer

BTW BID is a must day one lynch as far as I am concerned, he is just too unpredictable and plays to survive rather then to win, which hurts the village if he is a villager

Tlr, what country are you in? You're online at strange times.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

Tlr, what country are you in? You're online at strange times.

Israel

I lived in Beer Sheva for a while as a kid, too young to remember much about it though.

Originally Posted by DanAronG

I lived in Beer Sheva for a while as a kid, too young to remember much about it though.

Not much to remember from Beer Sheva I guess, mainly sand and humidity
What did your family do in Israel ?

Dad had work there about 25 yrs ago. I was only 3 or so, so remember very little.

Originally Posted by TLR

BTW BID is a must day one lynch as far as I am concerned, he is just too unpredictable and plays to survive rather then to win, which hurts the village if he is a villager

That was only because i felt challenged by wuf. I begin every game with the intention of helping my team win.

I won't be joining a drew day one lynch for no reason, why would I want rid of someone I can read?

Hardest person to read imo is TLR, even after benny told us he was a villager I thought he was a wolf and benny had lied to us to see how people react. TLR is excellent at acting wolfy when villager and I am gonna have a hard time sniffing him out when he is a wolf.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I won't be joining a drew day one lynch for no reason, why would I want rid of someone I can read?

It seemed like you were the only one that took me at face value.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

It seemed like you were the only one that took me at face value.

I seem to be able to spot villagers easier than wolves, you'll probably dodge me when you are a wolf.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I won't be joining a drew day one lynch for no reason, why would I want rid of someone I can read?

Hardest person to read imo is TLR, even after benny told us he was a villager I thought he was a wolf and benny had lied to us to see how people react. TLR is excellent at acting wolfy when villager and I am gonna have a hard time sniffing him out when he is a wolf.

I think that is because you begin every game assuming I am a wolf unless proven otherwise

That's not so, I can only recall two games with you, last one you got nommed night 1, up until then I had no reason to think you were a wolf, and this game I started to think you were a wolf from the point you started suggesting drew or flomo got nommed night one, it made sense for you to be the lost wolf

It's wuf I usually think is always a wolf, this game though I had him pegged as a villager.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

That's not so, I can only recall two games with you, last one you got nommed night 1, up until then I had no reason to think you were a wolf, and this game I started to think you were a wolf from the point you started suggesting drew or flomo got nommed night one, it made sense for you to be the lost wolf

It's wuf I usually think is always a wolf, this game though I had him pegged as a villager.

guess you are right, sorry

I have noticed you tend to make people paranoid, I think that's because you're thoughtful about what you post, and wolves tend to be more thoughtful than villagers. This game I just found it strange that you thought the wolves would nom flomo or drew on night one, but then gizmo managed to totally dodge my radar saying the same things.

it's because tlr is a dangerous as shit wolf. read the WnV game. i was wrong about everything in that game except catching one thing tlr did the day before i died, then he only got lynched because the jvp was the angel. of all the wolfing ive seen, tlr's trickiness is the best

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I have noticed you tend to make people paranoid, I think that's because you're thoughtful about what you post, and wolves tend to be more thoughtful than villagers. This game I just found it strange that you thought the wolves would nom flomo or drew on night one, but then gizmo managed to totally dodge my radar saying the same things.

Well, it was pretty clear that in this game the wolves have to special hunt since night one, and this takes precedence over lynching vets. JKDS said that they were considering Hoopy or BID in day one since they both appeared to be specials, the wolves just did a better job then I did identifying the specials in day 1

Is Beer Shiva like getting drunk with a Hindu deity? Is there a Whiskey Shiva?

Originally Posted by supa

Is Beer Shiva like getting drunk with a Hindu deity? Is there a Whiskey Shiva?

Funny, actually Beer means Well in hebrew and Shiva is Seven, so it is translated to the city of seven wells

Is the beer from the 7 wells all the same or does each well have its own type of beer?

And are there seven wells of whiskey?

Wait, that would be whiskey beer. Ok, seven whiskey beer wells please.