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  1. #901
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    It does sort of make sense that we'd have another role, otherwise the game seemed really unbalanced. Super smart move staying on JV! flomo, if this works out, no mvp for you.

    I'm thinking we lynch hoopy today and then learn from who the wolves nom. Other thoughts?
    I'm not a wolf.

    If drew was actually telling the truth then the village would have about 1.5 seers in effect.
  2. #902
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    then benny introduces suspicion of bigred

    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    Which brings us to bigred. Has he ever presented rational thought like he has this game? I've certainly never seen it before.
    but why would a villager want to speculate about who the specials are.Saying that the wolves must have noticed a difference in play is a copout ….especially since you needed a recap of what happened inthe last 6 games . How do you know that bigred hadn't changed his style in those games?.
    1) I was joking about asking for a recap - note that I asked for it in 20 words or less (a limit wufanugy failed at, no surprise).
    2) Still, I did ask if anyone had ever seen it from bigred before. It's my acknowledgement that his gameplay might have changed on me in previous games.
    3) With the special point, I was putting it our there that it's an additional reason why someone might not be acting normally. It's usually verboten for villagers to speculate about specials but it was so obvious that anyone could have seen it and I made that point so I wouldn't get jumped on.

    Why would a wolf hunt for specials so obviously and not reserve that for at night? And why isn't bigred dead if there was merit to my thoughts and I was a wolf?

    You're wondering why I didn't join the wagon? It didn't get much momentum (beyond Gabe and Hoopy joining it - interesting this is a known wolf and a practically known one). At the time, the only proof we had was "he's acting funny". Plus, he wasn't around and if wanted him to add his thoughts to the conversation so we could learn from them. I didn't like the lynch at the time.

    Now I do. But if Hoopy is a wolf, the two of them ganging up on bigred in that spot suddenly looks weird.
  3. #903
    bigred, what do you think of all of this business?
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    If you're in a different time zone, BID's reveal was at 5:13pm. Who sees that and doesn't post right away?
  5. #905
    Well this is sort of interesting. I am not sure what to make of it though because I have both of them as wolves.
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  6. #906
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    I'm not a wolf.

    If drew was actually telling the truth then the village would have about 1.5 seers in effect.
    i posted a whole lot of evidence about your actions on day 1 and 2 , now BID has claimed a special role and all you can say is that you are not a wolf and if bid is telling the truth the village would have 1.5 seers. is that it?? did you read the first post of the game where Ong said

    This is not a role madness game, nor is it a vanilla game. It's somewhere in between.
    role madness game had nuclear inspectors , tracers , masons, roleblockers, innocent child , etc. ongs quote said its somewhere between that complexity and vanilla seer,vig angel game so why is it unreasonable/unlikely to have a role that allows one player to see who visits another + masons+ vanilla roles to balance out the alpha wolf,bulletproof wolf and the number of wolves :villagers. If luco had brought two villagers ,himself and two masons that is one hell of a blocking vote and would really narrow the wolf possibilities down especially if the angel had survived to protect the outed seer.

    you need to refute/explain the evidence against you , we can't make a mistake and at the moment this looks like you are a slam dunk lynch
  7. #907
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    my case against hoopy has been based on his aubrey lynch wagon ...saying he can't lynch her , yet condemming her by switching onto bigred.Thought i'd go back and look at the day 1 jyms wagon





    Day1 is far too early to lynch villager Gator. if he's a villager let the wolves eat him.The interesting phrase is the second one . why will he pwn the village ? why not pwn the wolves in the endgame like he did in Davens first game .this seems like a subtle mistake by hoopy and confirms hoopy and Gator as wolves. He knows Gator is never going to get lynched day 1 so puts a no reason lynch out to gain seperation for later in the game in case Gator is seered.

    It does not confirm anyone as wolves. Lots of random votes are thrown around on the 1st day.

    Who usually tries to push the rules to the limit or manipulate them in the villages favour . Me and who else was targetting me day1 , yep the confirmed wolf gabe.




    I said above what i made of it , gator would never get lynched day1 and you were gaining seperation. Again another subtle slip suggesting foreknowledge that flomo and JV were actually Masons rather than wolves making a play. only way he could have this knowledge on day 1 is if he is a wolf.

    Not a slip, it was obvious that JV/flomo were masons. No guarantee that JV was getting lynched when he outed and fake outing as a mason is too risky on day 1.








    why would a villager say that ? seems like something a wolf would say to try and show that you don't know peoples wolf/villager status when in reality you know.

    You're bending evidence to fit conclusions that you've already made.

    again how can you say any of them are confirmed villagers .JV and flomo have only been confirmed with the death of JV. Bid has not been confirmed either way.

    I was addressing drew with that post.

    how do you know if wolves were getting tricky though?you can't unless you are one of them so if you don't know if they are tricky you can't confirm BID as a villager.And I think this then went into day 2...(multiquote means lose track of exact position in game)



    if you can't make a case against aubrey why bring it up ?And the opposite of that is if you can't make a case against her you should have some pretty good reasons that you can post to defend her. But you did neither. Just seems like you were trying to put a name forward so that the village would then discuss and wagon her..

    Asking for opinions maybe? She was neutral, not leaning villager or wolf at that point

    Again an early vote for Gator when its not going to run



    what….no mention at this stage of any suspicion against bigred at all.






    then benny introduces suspicion of bigred







    but why would a villager want to speculate about who the specials are.Saying that the wolves must have noticed a difference in play is a copout ….especially since you needed a recap of what happened inthe last 6 games . How do you know that bigred hadn't changed his style in those games?.


    so now we have a known wolf starting a wagon on bigred when there were already wagons running on daven and aubrey






    so we have benny speculating that bigred could be a special and now gabe a wolf and hoopy pile on. Is it not strange that a potential special is being wagonned by a wolf , Are villagers going to be wanting to lynch a potential special?For wolves its a bonus if they can force a special to out. This makes hoopy look really wolfy especially with his really weak reasoning for it.

    He got to like 2 votes though.

    would it be suspicious if bigred outs and then wolves are shown at a later date to be on his wagon plus gator gains a bit from not antagonising bigred if he's a wolf since bigred would probably vote for gator.




    hmmmm he stimulated the bigred discussion and votes but didn't get on it but instead makes sure that its aubrey that will die.



    again pushing the bigred wagon ide ,but aubrey was in the lead so why ignore aubrey?


    Because I didn't want to lynch her.

    so day ended aubrey dies and I post my attack on hoopy because his actions ensured that aubrey died .




    again he implants the idea that jv flomo may be wolves despite saying early that they are confirmed villagers

    Errrrr no, where do I implant that idea?

    so this is strange........nothing has happened to clear bigred but having been so desperate to get wagons running between daven and bigred at the end of the previous day , now bigred has disappeared off the suspect list.


    putting it all together i still think its hoopy (dead cert wolf) for his actions on bigred and aubrey , continually lynching gator early, and apparent mistakes surrounding gator and jv/flomo. Benny (probable alpha wolf) because of his actions trying to get seered and he was also the one that promoted the wagon on a possible special bigred without actually getting on it himself.final wolf i think is gator , because gabe went really easy on him leaving him off suspect lists etc when he'd just mentioned him as suspect and for hoopys continual lynchs when there was no chance of getting gator lynched.2 or 3 of these 4 ( including gabe) seem to have been working as a team at different stages throughout this game.

    flomo is now a nailed on villager so no need to analyse him which leaves bigred and BID. will have another read through the thread tomorrow looking at them but from todays read through , the team play by benny,gabe and hoopy would imply that bigred is highly likely to been a potential special targetted to try and force him to out and therefore almost certainly a villager . THis would leave BID as an outsider if i'm wrong about one of the other three, but can't see wolf BID lynching wuf in game the night the wolves decide to eat him or putting jack and flomo on seperate teams when they have confirmed that they are on the same side. As a wolf , i imagine that he'd check and double check to avoid obvious mistakes like that .

    Hoopy looks to be a nailed on certainty for getting a wolf so he would be my preferred lynch today.
    I'm afraid keith that you're just wrong, though admittedly with all the work put into this it's apparent you're a villager.
  8. #908
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    i posted a whole lot of evidence about your actions on day 1 and 2 , now BID has claimed a special role and all you can say is that you are not a wolf and if bid is telling the truth the village would have 1.5 seers. is that it?? did you read the first post of the game where Ong said



    role madness game had nuclear inspectors , tracers , masons, roleblockers, innocent child , etc. ongs quote said its somewhere between that complexity and vanilla seer,vig angel game so why is it unreasonable/unlikely to have a role that allows one player to see who visits another + masons+ vanilla roles to balance out the alpha wolf,bulletproof wolf and the number of wolves :villagers. If luco had brought two villagers ,himself and two masons that is one hell of a blocking vote and would really narrow the wolf possibilities down especially if the angel had survived to protect the outed seer.

    you need to refute/explain the evidence against you , we can't make a mistake and at the moment this looks like you are a slam dunk lynch
    The wolves have bulletproof, alpha and a role blocker.

    We have seer, angel, vig and 2x masons.

    Seems mostly balanced like that.

    Add in this "watcher" and you have wolves being unable to kill confirmed villagers without losing one of their own. Unbalanced.
  9. #909
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    this is something that really annoys me . I don't post a load of one line liners. I bet if someone actually went and did word counts i probably post as much as anyone else . My posts aren't fluffy no information one line posts that tick the post count up with three or four one liners in close succesion. they tend to be reasoned arguments based on research looking for the inconsistancies and not fluff posts commenting on other peoples work. GUess what , research takes time , one line comments just need you to read the latest couple of posts and hit the reply button .
    One liners piss you off?
  10. #910
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    Well this is sort of interesting. I am not sure what to make of it though because I have both of them as wolves.
    You should be able to make it out since you came up with the idea!
  11. #911
    lol you call that refuting evidence. I notice you completely avoid the question about why gator is going to pwn the village in endgame. he will only do that as a wolf. you completely ignore the fact that he could be a villager who could pwn the wolves. How do you know that he will only be pwning the village unless you know that he's a wolf and at that stage you could only know that he is a wolf by being a wolf as well.

    You say its too risky for JV/flomo to try on day1 .....but what if they had been wolves ? it would have worked and won the game for them because they were accepted as likely villagers because it was too risky to make that play and would now be sat there choosing who to target to win the game.

    As for aubrey , your original post doesn't read as you being neutral on her. if you were neutral you have said that you weren't sure either way on her rather than can anyone make a case against her because you can't. you are definately leaning so far towards villager for her with the way you phrased it.
  12. #912
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    The wolves have bulletproof, alpha and a role blocker.
    And a 4th wolf. Vanilla game ratio is 4:1. This game is 3:1. We've got no reason not to believe bid and you haven't made a case for him as a wolf. Either he is or you are at this point (and as I've said, I don't see it with BID).
  13. #913
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    The wolves have bulletproof, alpha and a role blocker.

    We have seer, angel, vig and 2x masons.

    Seems mostly balanced like that.

    Add in this "watcher" and you have wolves being unable to kill confirmed villagers without losing one of their own. Unbalanced.
    and how do you know that this is the limit of roles available. Have you considered that the wolves may have someone who can be seered but can't be watched to balance out that possibility or that the village may have a roleblocker to balance out a wolf roleblocker , or that the village may have the roleblocker . Luco only said that he may get an unconfirmed result (or something similar) and he had taken it to be a wolf roleblocker role. he gets the same result if its a villager that roleblocked him.

    Are you fishing for your fellow wolves to try and work out if there are any other roles which will impede you?.
  14. #914
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    lol you call that refuting evidence. I notice you completely avoid the question about why gator is going to pwn the village in endgame. he will only do that as a wolf. you completely ignore the fact that he could be a villager who could pwn the wolves. How do you know that he will only be pwning the village unless you know that he's a wolf and at that stage you could only know that he is a wolf by being a wolf as well.

    You say its too risky for JV/flomo to try on day1 .....but what if they had been wolves ? it would have worked and won the game for them because they were accepted as likely villagers because it was too risky to make that play and would now be sat there choosing who to target to win the game.

    As for aubrey , your original post doesn't read as you being neutral on her. if you were neutral you have said that you weren't sure either way on her rather than can anyone make a case against her because you can't. you are definately leaning so far towards villager for her with the way you phrased it.
    1) gator has pwned the village several times as a wolf, he's been a good villager but I don't remember him crushing wolves solely on his own.

    2) 1 curious seer or bad/crazy vig could have ruined it. Plus the wolves would have to kill them off before endgame if they were actually villagers, which makes it a bad play since they wouldn't die.

    3) I don't understand what you're saying here.
  15. #915
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    One liners piss you off?
    lol making evidence up . where did i say oneliners piss me off. Let me clarify this for you . what annoys me is that some people are so moronic that they think that a oneliner has as much value as a detailed reasoned argument covering multiple lines and are so stupid that they think that sheer number or lack of post numbers is indicative of being wolf /villager whilst completely ignoring the content and qaulity of information provided by those posts .
  16. #916
    you can't remember Gator destroying Daven on the last day in Davens first game when gator was villager and Daven was a wolf. Gator had to persaude bigred and wuf to change their mind from memory . ....... i'm just going to check it up and see if you played that game.
  17. #917
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    1) gator has pwned the village several times as a wolf, he's been a good villager but I don't remember him crushing wolves solely on his own.
    With the field this small it is certainly possible though and you know it.
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  18. #918
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    And a 4th wolf. Vanilla game ratio is 4:1. This game is 3:1. We've got no reason not to believe bid and you haven't made a case for him as a wolf. Either he is or you are at this point (and as I've said, I don't see it with BID).
    I can't make a case for him as a wolf, his posts are difficult to follow and are based on weird logic. He was a villager in my eyes until he pulled this fake out.
  19. #919
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    you can't remember Gator destroying Daven on the last day in Davens first game when gator was villager and Daven was a wolf. Gator had to persaude bigred and wuf to change their mind from memory . ....... i'm just going to check it up and see if you played that game.
    Correct. It was either me or Daven that day and, like with you this game, I was able to make a solid case for Daven that game.
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  20. #920
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    lol making evidence up . where did i say oneliners piss me off. Let me clarify this for you . what annoys me is that some people are so moronic that they think that a oneliner has as much value as a detailed reasoned argument covering multiple lines and are so stupid that they think that sheer number or lack of post numbers is indicative of being wolf /villager whilst completely ignoring the content and qaulity of information provided by those posts .
    Evidently you missed the humor.
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    you can't remember Gator destroying Daven on the last day in Davens first game when gator was villager and Daven was a wolf. Gator had to persaude bigred and wuf to change their mind from memory . ....... i'm just going to check it up and see if you played that game.
    I did play that game, however I was killed off on the last night so wasn't involved on the final day.
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    With the field this small it is certainly possible though and you know it.
    I know you, bigred and drew are all waiting for keith to bold me........
  21. #921
    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...192759-44.html


    and surprise surprise ....hoopy was alive and voted for daven as well. bigred didn't vote and ongie was alive as well.

    And you can't remember gator pulling it out of the bag and turning the village opinion that he must be a wolf around and getting the real wolf killed ?
  22. #922
    i thought you saids you were dead and and not involved in the last day.....better to get your facts straight when i tell you i'm off to check it out
  23. #923
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...192759-44.html


    and surprise surprise ....hoopy was alive and voted for daven as well. bigred didn't vote and ongie was alive as well.

    And you can't remember gator pulling it out of the bag and turning the village opinion that he must be a wolf around and getting the real wolf killed ?
    I didn't remember that happening.

    Honestly I think the game is lost at this point, too many people want me dead and I have nothing to refute drew at this point.

    Off to bed since it's 2am here.
  24. #924
    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    i thought you saids you were dead and and not involved in the last day.....better to get your facts straight when i tell you i'm off to check it out
    Pull the trigger then, vote for me. It's obvious that nothing I say will change your mind.

    If by some miracle I'm alive when I wake up then I'll put energy into showing why drew is a wolf.
  25. #925
    that was a pretty cool game and one comment jumped out at me. My style of play that game was almost identical to this game and wuf called it out with this statement:

    3) He woke the fuck up. Every living person has done the same thing the entire game, except Gator. He pulled the wolfiest move there ever was -- which is also a highly Gatoresque move -- in suddenly being so active in the endgame. There are countless examples of wolves doing this

    I point this out because if this really is some massive level I could see the village lynching Hoopy today and me tomorrow and, in that case the village still loses.
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  26. #926
    What would be the massive level, Gator?
  27. #927
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    What would be the massive level, Gator?
    BID and Hoopy both being wolves. I know it is a stretch, but since I know I am a villager and keith is 99% villager then the 4 wolves must be Gabe, Hoopy, bigred and you. While I started to get a wolfy vibe from bigred on Day 2 I didn't with you.

    What I am saying is that although today is pretty clear I am worried about tomorrow. I was making a pretty solid case against BID so if Hoopy and BID were both lynched today and tomorrow I would look much more like a villager. This move may allow BOD to get all of the focus off of him.

    Again, this isn't food for thought today, but tomorrow.
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  28. #928
    im off to bed ...i want to hear flomo and bigreds thoughts before i bold.but so far hoopy has said nothing to change my mind.
  29. #929
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    What I am saying is that although today is pretty clear I am worried about tomorrow. I was making a pretty solid case against BID so if Hoopy and BID were both lynched today and tomorrow I would look much more like a villager. This move may allow BOD to get all of the focus off of him..
    You didn't make a solid case against BID, actually. It didn't get anyone seriously talking BID and my brief post pretty clearly told you my stance on him. Given that lack of momentum, the move doesn't make any sense for a BID wolf. It's a chainsaw when a scalpel was needed. Whoever survived the day out of you, me, Hoopy and bigred all had better chances of being lynched tomorrow than he did. They only need one mislynch to win - they don't need this fancy a play.

    This game feels pretty inevitable to me at this point. I see a 1% chance Hoopy isn't a wolf. We either lose because bigred can't be bothered to prove to us he's a villager or it's likely going to come down to me (because I'm vanilla and can't be confirmed) and Keith (same reason) and you as a wolf at the end.

    BID or flomo die tonight so help Keith out and give your thoughts on me and Gator, please.
  30. #930
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    BID or flomo die tonight so help Keith out and give your thoughts on me and Gator, please.
    We can't just leave Keith alone. When Keith posted the link to the conglomerate game I read through the last four pages (ok maybe I was reminiscing the awesome read on Daven) and it brought back how everyone thought Daven was a 99% lock villager till I found the small clue that led to his demise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    Why would that be weird? It was the 6th vote for Gabe so it is completely plausible that a fellow wolf would jump on the try and gain credibility.
    You're an idiot. I didn't jump on gabe to gain credibility. Didn't so
    someone here already point out that I wasn't the 6th player on the gabe wagon? I actually broke a tie? Yup. Gator is fucked.
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    rescind whatever

    Gg hoop. You played well. Until recently.

    lynch hoopy
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    Wolves:

    Hoopy
    Gabe
    Bigred
    Gator

    Final answer. Eat it.
  34. #934
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    This is very different from wufs typical early game. On one hand I'm suspect of the change in style but on the other hand I think the village would be better served if there was more quality content than garbage and short pointless posts. Looking back through the thread is a pain in the ass when you're trying to peg wolves.

    I rescinded on aubrey because she just never seems like a wolf to me. Maybe it's her personality, or maybe she's just good at looking harmless.

    Jyms is the opposite to me and he's on an aubrey wagon, so I'm siding with him being a wolf.

    The gabe vs keith thing is awesome to read and I'm leaning gabe as a wolf between the two because that guy is a close second to jyms wolfy style. I think it's rare that both are villagers.

    Just a few notes off the top of my head:

    Rong is a villager
    gator scares me because he's gator
    Daven is looking wolfy because he thinks aubs is a wolf and I think she's safe.
    Shows how drew's logic works, if you suspect someone he thinks is a villager then you're a wolf. Also making definite reads early on which is wolfy.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I'm finding myself contradicting myself. Sort of. rong bolded aubs and I think aubs is a lock villager and I said that rong is a villager. Is this a contradiction? Doesn't matter. I think they're both villagers and I don't understand the aubs hate by a lot of people early on. I bolded her for fun tbh.

    I don't always agree with bigred but when I do, he makes good points. /meme

    He said he preferred a luco lynch to a keith because at least villager keith is good at quality content. For this reason, I'm voting gabe in the gabe vs. keith fiasco.

    lynch gabe

    my next in line are jyms and daven.

    I may be choosing players to stick with early on as far as an alliance goes, just because I think they're so villagery this game. This includes: keith, rilla, and aubs.

    Also, ong, what's going on with chippy? The fact that he's not interested makes me think that position is villagery too.
    @keith if you think I'm wolfy for voting Gator when he had no chance of dieing then surely drew is doing the same here with gabe.

    He's naming villagers with far to much certainty because he already knows everyone's alignment.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I don't agree with this at all. That team is in my village camp.

    While on the shitter, I started thinking about how you are playing so differently this game, and I don't remember playing a game where you were a wolf. This is the strongest read I have on someone on Day 1 so...
    rescind
    lynch wuffy
    Hops off gabe.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    This is precisely why I didn't go for jyms and voted for wif instead. At least there was a reason to suspect wif (making a strong effort to be different).

    Not a single person on the jyms train was a strong wolf candidate for me so I'm not really sure where to start. I'd be shocked if more than one wolf was on it. Which makes me wanna look at everyone else:

    Bigred
    luco
    jack
    gabe
    wuf
    rilla
    benny
    gator

    i'm confident there are 3 wolves in this group and as such I'll be targeting these on day 2.
    Heh, very confident no doubt.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    You guys are at the top of my list all of a sudden. Can't quite put my finger on why.
    Sounds like another wolf told him to post this.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    Bigrud and bunny are villagers. While hoopy is a wolf.
    Never gave a reason why.
  35. #935
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I'm good with gabe's plan.

    rescind

    lynch bigred
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    Bigred

    Cause gabe said so.
    Following gabe until luco outed him.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I've never suspected luco so I'm inclined to believe him. Does fake outing make any sense at this point in the game with the wolves crushing?

    Rescind

    I'm currently on travel but may have a chance to have a read through on gabe later in the day irl.
    Wolves scrambling for a plan.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    What's the point of a seer outing if most of the village is skeptical? Even after he flips town? Redic.

    lynch gabe
    The litte argument he got into with benny over this post makes me think that benny is a villager.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    He defended gabe not long ago so he's on my watch list.
    Wolves spreading out and targeting each other. He'd barely mentioned gator until now.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I read in the last game something about gator pwning everyone and I didn't see it. I can't remember if he binked wolves early or if he lvl'd the village as a wolf but it doesn't matter. I feel like he's been rather absent this game.
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    hoopy. pretty sure he's a wolf over gator. like, really sure.
    Again very certain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    The wolves have bulletproof, alpha and a role blocker.

    We have seer, angel, vig and 2x masons.

    Seems mostly balanced like that.

    Add in this "watcher" and you have wolves being unable to kill confirmed villagers without losing one of their own. Unbalanced.
    Is this a fact?

    did the villagers get a pm of the wolf roles?


    hoopy is our best lynch today
  37. #937
    Quote Originally Posted by flomo View Post
    Is this a fact?

    did the villagers get a pm of the wolf roles?


    hoopy is our best lynch today
    gabe was the bulletproof wolf, luco said there was an alpha and thought there might be a roleblocker based on the wording of his pm.

    2000 posts bitches!
  38. #938
    all i can see is you making shaky arguments for BID to be a wolf . I don't see anything that you have shown that proves you are not a wolf.
  39. #939
    i'm waiting for bigred and flomo to post their thoughts about people for tomorrow before i bold hoopy
  40. #940
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    We can't just leave Keith alone. When Keith posted the link to the conglomerate game I read through the last four pages (ok maybe I was reminiscing the awesome read on Daven) and it brought back how everyone thought Daven was a 99% lock villager till I found the small clue that led to his demise.
    You come up with that in this game and then we'll talk about him. But until you do, I looked over all his posts and all I see is villager. See my earlier detailed post; I've seen nothing since to change my mind.

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...00#post2193300

    For everyone else, I've maintained that Keith and BID are villagers for some time. If I were a wolf, it would make my job infinitely tougher to reduce the wolf team's mislynch candidates down so narrowly. Notice Gator is doing the opposite - keeping suspicion on all. Keep it in mind for when we flip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    Wolves:

    Hoopy
    Gabe
    Bigred
    Gator

    Final answer. Eat it.
    this looks damn good.


    Villager or wolf, BID is most likely to get MVP.
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    So, bigred came back after I called him out on a timing tell and still didn't post?

    Please to be giving us information, sir. Right now, you look like the worst wolf ever or worst villager ever.
  43. #943
    Do you really care what bigred has to say?
    Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
  44. #944
    I've given you a good bit of information but it is all looked at with indifferent eyes because you are sold on the fact that I am a wolf.
    Poker is easy, it's winning at poker that's hard.
  45. #945
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    Do you really care what bigred has to say?
    Sure I do. What if he has some key piece of info we're all missing? He could also fuck up and hang himself. He could also say something that sets me up for an awesome one liner.

    You've had your say and it's empty. All speculative "gives no reasoning", "could be hedging" and "plays dumb" type analysis while ignoring deductive reasoning. Well, you did try once with the "BID put the 6th vote on Gabe" business. That's the kind of truly valuable analysis that helps the village. But it was wrong.
  46. #946
    BID's vote for Hoopy has been up for 12 hours - more than enough time for the wolves to assemble a quick train and win the game if Hoopy was indeed a villager.

    We can pretty much conclude that Hoopy is a wolf, no? Or there's the very small chance BID is a wolf too. Tell me if there is another angle I'm not seeing. What do we want to do with this, guys?
  47. #947
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy View Post
    rescind jyms
    lynch Gator

    He was on the JV wagon and to coin a wuf phrase is the GOATwolf, can't really trust him until seered or dead. If we let him get to endgame he'll probably end up pwning the village again.
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    I have also pwnd the wolves in recent games so the best choice is to seer me and see that I am a villager.
    Expanding on Keith's assertion that Gator is alpha, these posts are 11 minutes apart. Gator's attendance was spotty at this time - looks coordinated in retrospect.
  48. #948
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    BID's vote for Hoopy has been up for 12 hours - more than enough time for the wolves to assemble a quick train and win the game if Hoopy was indeed a villager.

    We can pretty much conclude that Hoopy is a wolf, no? Or there's the very small chance BID is a wolf too. Tell me if there is another angle I'm not seeing. What do we want to do with this, guys?
    I'm certain that hoopy is a wolf , he's done nothing to refute the allegations against him . if Bid delays sending in his PM tonight until just before the night deadline it will give everyone plenty of time to post their thoughts overnight.

    lynch Hoopy
  49. #949
    lynch hoopy
  50. #950
    Whatever
    lynch hoopy
  51. #951
    benny and gator looking likely to be the last two wolves
  52. #952
    Yeah. I may as well give up.

    I'm a wolf. I just want to know how Keith and BID figured me out.
  53. #953
    you can blame gabe
  54. #954
    Awwwww. My poor fallen fellow wolf. May he now rest in peace.
  55. #955
    great job guys. i think this was the strongest wolf team to date
  56. #956
    us deaders sniffed y'all out tho. and cried a little
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    lynch hoopy

    gator tomorrow
  58. #958
    flumu is the new bugrud
  59. #959
    My worst game as a wolf in a long time but honestly I am tired of rolling wolf. Four games in a row now.
  60. #960
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    Yeah. I may as well give up.

    I'm a wolf. I just want to know how Keith and BID figured me out.
    Your absence combined with you continuing to live was fishy. But once you started posting, it was pretty easy to see the walls of text were empty and it confirmed it. Were you doing that just because I said wolves can't?
  61. #961
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    My worst game as a wolf in a long time but honestly I am tired of rolling wolf. Four games in a row now.
    I think you did all right. Also most of those who read your behavior as wolfy were simply killed off early, and that's a big part of playing wolf
  62. #962
    Quote Originally Posted by flomo View Post

    lynch hoopy

    gator tomorrow
    Nope. You die tonight then tomorrow BID, Keith and myself snap lynch Benny.
  63. #963
    why is wuf posting ?
  64. #964
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    Your absence combined with you continuing to live was fishy. But once you started posting, it was pretty easy to see the walls of text were empty and it confirmed it. Were you doing that just because I said wolves can't?
    Actually at that point in the game I did that on purpose hoping it furthered the belief that either Hoopy or Bigred was a wolf.

    I knew I was a goner and was just trying to help the team.
  65. #965
    because the game is over
  66. #966
    Oh. Did we win?
  67. #967
    no u lost. bid won
  68. #968
    LYNCH!!!

    "Hey guise, I saw that dirty hoopy kill jack last night."

    "Sounds legit, lets kill him!!!!"

    And the village danced their way to the green, hoopy dragged there tied to a horse. They quickly fabricated a crucifix and nailed hoopy up. Of course he didn't die straight away, so like the impatient bastards they are, they decided to throw rocks at him until he turned into a wolf.

    But it didn't happen. After an hour, they pulled him down.

    "Shit, he's dead as fuck. What have we done??? What sort of monsters are we???"

    And at that, the real monsters showed their ugly faces, and like children eating chocolate, gorged on the remaining villagers.

    Hoopy has been lynched!

    He was vanilla townie!

    Congratualtions to the wolf bitches! Wolves have won!

    gabe was bulletproof wolf
    drew was 1x strongman wolf
    gator was roleblocker wolf
    keith was alpha wolf


    benny has been endgamed, he was vanilla townie
    bigred has been endgamed, he was vanilla townie
    flomo has been endgamed, he was village mason


    Thanks for playing guys!

    QT's -

    den - http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/fc7b3XUtiQHXn
    masons - http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/JqT6DgYgMXk
    deads - http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/kvpcE6F2FRbV8

    /game

    cue discussion about imba

    Mod thoughts - After my last game, which was mega imba towards village, I erred on the side of wolves to ensure it wasn't a walkover for village. I think this is mostly balanced, but unfortunately it's very hard for me to say that with any sincerity, simply because the village specials were picked off so quickly. I have no problem with 4 wolves when village have 5 specials, but I think I can drop the bulletproof.

    - strongman - This is a use once power that replaces the nightly kill and is basically a "fuck you angel" kill. The purpose of this is simply to ensure the seer can't out d1 or d2 and be protected by the angel, for a lame village win.

    - alpha - It's called godfather on mafiascum, and generally seers/cops are not told there is one in the game. But I feel that's not all that fair on the seer here, so I told him that there is an alpha who shows up clean. This means village have to lynch at least one wolf as a result of deduction, rather than blindly following specials. Had the alpha been cleared, village will know if there's only the alpha left to find that seer clears are not to be relied on.

    - roleblocker - standard wolf role on mafiascum, I'll probably throw this into every game I mod

    - bulletproof - I quickly realised that it's unfair to punish a sick vig, and as such I'll think carefully before using this again

    - masons - I get the feeling that people underestimate just how strong masons can be in a game with a seer. This was why I added an extra wolf and made sure they all had something. Had the masons not claimed d1, then wolves need to bink or block the seer very quickly, or it soon becomes a lost cause. I was worried that adding masons was giving village too much, but that doesn't seem to be the case. I'm happy with the masons.

    It's just gabe's bulletproof that I'd drop if I ran this again.

    This certainly feels more balanced than my last game though.

    cheers.
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    ongies gonna ong
  69. #969
    Wuf you could have waited for ong
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  70. #970
    Oh and gg wolves!
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  71. #971
    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Wuf you could have waited for ong
    i did. he said it was over
  72. #972
    Yeah, that wasn't balanced at all.

    Good game, wolves. Thanks for all the help, flomo and bigred.
  73. #973
    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Wuf you could have waited for ong
    oh you meant for the final lynch post itt. i guess you're right. in the past it's always a free for all once it's over and mod usually doesn't get the first post. nanny nanny boo boo
  74. #974
    Quote Originally Posted by BennyLaRue View Post
    Yeah, that wasn't balanced at all.

    Good game, wolves. Thanks for all the help, flomo and bigred.
    I say this with absolute honesty benny, but I feel you're too used to our early games where it's vig/seer/angel vs powerless wolves. That is massively imbalanced towards the village, as you've exploited in the past. When seer claims d2 and fucks the wolves, that's lame. It's great for the seer, but shit for the wolves who can do nothing. Wolf roles are designed to counter this imbalance.

    Maybe I gave them too much, but they didn't even use a single power of theirs. Village were screwed by excellent wolfing, sick special hunting, and general bad village play.

    MVP is easily keith.

    Village MVP is easily benny.
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  75. #975
    Oh and thanks benny for replacing in.
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