Werewolf bitches!

Typical example of Hoopy making posts that slide by easily while appearing to be helping.

You're really reaching there JV. Please tell me how that post isn't helpful.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I would challenge you to read that wolf thread if you remember the game. Any games where I was the wolf and a special was bagged I am most certain it was one of my wolf buddies that pegged the special. TBH, I suck at spotting specials.

I finally found and read the wolf quicktopic for that game and I'll admit that the whole wolf team was special hunting well.

@Gator

IIRC you've usually pushed inactive/absent player lynches to avoid modkills especially earlier on. But this game you didn't push a Chipeater lynch (mentioned him in one post) even though he was awol. Any reason for that?

Originally Posted by GatorJH

He needs to show up if he wants to avoid a d1 lynch again.

Gator's second post, about Chip. Hoopywolf, why are you misrepresenting facts?

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Gabe also stressed on D3 that daven was a villager because of the lack of conversation and on D2 that Aubrey was a villager because of her oscar winning performance. In the very post you mentioned, he rescinded on her plus suggests Luco and rong were villagery. Gabe is probably the second smartest person in the game. He knows how to mislead, how to cover his tracks.

I'm a vocal player and Gabe knows that. When did Gabe post the 99% thing? After I came out swinging on Aubrey and Luco and after I said I hadn't seen anything wolfy from Gabe. He was using my vocal play to his advantage. Guys, he's a world class poker player. He knows how to take advantage of situations as they unfold in front of him without forcing anything.

He indeed might have done it to get on your good side. But it's something that stands out and gabe is our only known wolf, that's why I posted about it.

jv, why are you content to name bigred a villager?

Because gabe switched to bigred after Daven was almost lynched, they're going for the flawless win, he isn't switching to a fellow wolf there. And br's reply after gabe bolded him seemed like a real reply to me, not a wolf play.

Bigred wasn't in danger there though. It's almost non-information because wolves use those spots to vary their play.

I would and do need more to clear him.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Bigred wasn't in danger there though. It's almost non-information because wolves use those spots to vary their play.

True but that is only half of the story. Gabe also really tried to get bigred lynched on day 2.

You know what? With all of jv's gut feels and flomo's absence, this almost feels like they could be wolves who know they are walking to end game. Guys, I'd rather not spend the next few days working on something that will not gain us anything so if that is the case, just arooo now and I'll self lynch. I'd consider it master play and bow in respect. Promise, 100%. Just don't want to waste the time.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

@Gator

IIRC you've usually pushed inactive/absent player lynches to avoid modkills especially earlier on. But this game you didn't push a Chipeater lynch (mentioned him in one post) even though he was awol. Any reason for that?

Yes, Ong hadn't mentioned a modkill yet so I didn't feel there was a need and he then mentioned bringing Benny in the game so that took it completely out of play.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Gator is about as wolfy as you'll ever see him be, no question.

JV, you need to open your mind and think. Everybody, including myself thought Daven was the wolfiest person in the game yet he turned out to be a villager. My posting this game is completely different from the last 3 games where I was a wolf. Do you really think if I were a wolf I would be this sloppy?

Maybe the truth is I am buried with life stuff (if you recall I almost didn't play this game and signed up at the 12th hour) and while I am trying to help the village I just don't have the time right now to pour over the thread in tremendous detail.

If I am the defacto lynch after Gabe then you may as well switch it around and lynch me today so the wolves can get a clean sweep victory as they are going to win anyway.

These are really just the roles we got from ong. I'm trying to figure out the game best I can. Flomo said he had some good ideas, I'm sure he'll come and post them after he, eh, sobers up.

Cool, glad to hear it.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

JV, you need to open your mind and think. Everybody, including myself thought Daven was the wolfiest person in the game yet he turned out to be a villager. My posting this game is completely different from the last 3 games where I was a wolf. Do you really think if I were a wolf I would be this sloppy?

Who do you think the 4 wolves are?

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Gator's second post, about Chip. Hoopywolf, why are you misrepresenting facts?

Bennywolf, if you read my post you'll see that I did acknowledge Gator's one post about him.

Originally Posted by jackvance

True but that is only half of the story. Gabe also really tried to get bigred lynched on day 2.

bigred wasn't close to being lynched though right? He hasn't had more than 2-3 votes total all game.

This

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Meh, I already had you in my villager camp and this doesn't change anything.

After reviewing the thread during the night I think the four wolves are Gabe (ldo), Bigred, Hoopy and BID.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

bigred wasn't close to being lynched though right? He hasn't had more than 2-3 votes total all game.

Yes but think strategically. Plenty of people had shown suspicion of bigred so he's a good target for the wolves but not so great if he's a fellow wolf because it might just work. If things had happened how they should have happened (the wolves didn't know luco was going to reveal gabe) then gabe would have voted bigred and daven would have still died. Going into today, it would be very easy for him to claim "see I told you so about daven" and continue gunning for bigred which would secure them the win. It's pretty nice play, congruent with how gabe has been playing, but only makes sense if bigred is a villager.

catching up after my distraction with the thread on 2+2 i actually read the days i'd skimmed and came across the following that didn't register first time through.

Originally Posted by Luco

I must tell you all that I actually might survive the night because the wolves have a role blocker and they may want to leave some doubt over Gabe. For what it's worth they also have an alpha wolf who comes back villager when looked up.

Fuck, this is like the 7th consecutive day we haven't lynched a wolf.

so went back through the thread looking for people who tried to get seered and came across

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I have also pwnd the wolves in recent games so the best choice is to seer me and see that I am a villager.

is Gator the alpha wolf?

Lynch Gabe today,
Then Benny,
Then Gator
?

I'm almost sober

Originally Posted by flomo

I'm almost sober

VC 4.1

1 - jack, gabe

jack - gabe
gabe - bigred

L- 4
T- 42 hrs 30 mins (Thurs 11pm UK 3pm ET)

Originally Posted by jackvance

Yes but think strategically. Plenty of people had shown suspicion of bigred so he's a good target for the wolves but not so great if he's a fellow wolf because it might just work. If things had happened how they should have happened (the wolves didn't know luco was going to reveal gabe) then gabe would have voted bigred and daven would have still died. Going into today, it would be very easy for him to claim "see I told you so about daven" and continue gunning for bigred which would secure them the win. It's pretty nice play, congruent with how gabe has been playing, but only makes sense if bigred is a villager.

That does make sense as one possible explanation. But on the other side of the ledger:

- Is there something to his style change?
- Why is he so absent?
- Why did he bold today?
- Why did Gabe still vote bigred today if he's trying to sew confusion?

I'm not sure what bigred is. But I don't think he's in the clear either so I hope we scrutinize everyone fully (including me for transparency). We need more out of bigred to be sure what he is.

What's the point of a seer outing if most of the village is skeptical? Even after he flips town? Redic.

lynch gabe

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

What's the point of a seer outing if most of the village is skeptical? Even after he flips town? Redic.

lynch gabe

How are you still alive in life?

Please enlighten me as to why you are being offensive.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Please enlighten me as to why you are being offensive.

Your reading comprehension skills just must make things like going near roads very dangerous for you.

No one is skeptical about Gabe. Please rescind so we can continue to discuss the day fully.

you should be skeptical though. there have been lying seers before

lets say, hypothetically speaking of course, that I'm a wolf and everyone knows it. that means out of the 8 others alive, 5 are villagers. that's 62% villager voices in the thread. but if I hypothetically was a wolf and was killed along with a villager tonight, that would mean 4 villagers tomorrow out of 7 total players, which is only like 57% villager voices. so today you might have a stronger chance of getting a wolf than you ever will because of a more pure perspective (5% more pure in fact!). besides, you can always kill me down the line when you see fit

I'll even rescind and not vote

The wolf makes a better argument than benny. Village is fucked.

rescind

Actually, benny said no one is skeptical. I take that back.

He's still an asshole tho.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Actually, benny said no one is skeptical. I take that back.

He's still an asshole tho.

Tru. And you really only deserve it if you're a wolf. If you're not, sorry, but you're not really helping the village right now.

Who are the wolves, bid?

Big
Hoop
Jack
Gabe

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Big
Hoop
Jack
Gabe

Jack cannot be a wolf on his own. Either both he and flomo are villagers or both wolves. 99.99% chance they're villagers.

Drew and benny aren't wolves together after that exchange.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Yes but think strategically. Plenty of people had shown suspicion of bigred so he's a good target for the wolves but not so great if he's a fellow wolf because it might just work. If things had happened how they should have happened (the wolves didn't know luco was going to reveal gabe) then gabe would have voted bigred and daven would have still died. Going into today, it would be very easy for him to claim "see I told you so about daven" and continue gunning for bigred which would secure them the win. It's pretty nice play, congruent with how gabe has been playing, but only makes sense if bigred is a villager.

Good reasoning, it means one of keith/drew has to be wolfin though.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Drew and benny aren't wolves together after that exchange.

lol, yeah. You can't script that.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I'm finding myself contradicting myself. Sort of. rong bolded aubs and I think aubs is a lock villager and I said that rong is a villager. Is this a contradiction? Doesn't matter. I think they're both villagers and I don't understand the aubs hate by a lot of people early on. I bolded her for fun tbh.

I don't always agree with bigred but when I do, he makes good points. /meme

He said he preferred a luco lynch to a keith because at least villager keith is good at quality content. For this reason, I'm voting gabe in the gabe vs. keith fiasco.

lynch gabe

my next in line are jyms and daven.

I may be choosing players to stick with early on as far as an alliance goes, just because I think they're so villagery this game. This includes: keith, rilla, and aubs.

Also, ong, what's going on with chippy? The fact that he's not interested makes me think that position is villagery too.

I'm building a keith post but noticed this super villagery bid post from Day 1. Says known villagers are villagers pretty definitively. Picks gabe as a wolf and is second on that wagon after Keith. Hmm.

Reasons why Keith is a villager
1) Walls of text are super hard to fake as a wolf.
2) He likes reasoning things out...no gut feel. Here, his case against Hoopy is sensible, insightful, not forced: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...98#post2192698
3) He kicked off the game with a day length fight with rilla. I don't see a wolf attracting that much attention from a great player like rilla on D1: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...41#post2191441
4) Rilla and rong both thought he was a villager. I respect their ability to read: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...33#post2191633 and http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...66#post2191666
5) Gabe was really chasing him D1. In isolation, this could be establishing distance. Combined with some of these other points (#3), I don't see it. One example of a few posts: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...36#post2191836

Reasons why Keith is a wolf
a) He really hammered on Aubrey's mistakes, which would have been relatively easy to do as a wolf
b) He was on both the Aubrey and Jyms wagons

The village evidence outweighs the wolf evidence, imo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith is a villager.<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Oh, I neglected to add

c) He's been absent

But that's not a game changer considering the content has been there when he's around.

Are we lynching hoopy or gabe today?

hey flomo

Hey Gabe
Not as exciting when everybody knows your role.

Well, except Drew.


Working on some Bulliet Bourbon Manhattans, big red would love this

bulleit pretty good stuff. a couple werewolf games ago I was on the heavy jim beam grind and I had the highest post count

this has been more of a Heineken game

Originally Posted by flomo

Hey Gabe
Not as exciting when everybody knows your role.

Well, except Drew.


Working on some Bulliet Bourbon Manhattans, big red would love this

You fucker! Bring me one now!

I love Jim Beam, very woody compared to other bourbons.

Bigred, just learned to snowboard this year. I'm addicted and it is cutting in to my drinking time.

Correction
Bulleit Bourbon

My favorite part of this game is when I'm under fire to be lynched.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Big
Hoop
Jack
Gabe

Solid list

Bank It Drew,
what about Gator?

Keith,
they are going to kill you tonight.
What are your thoughts?

Originally Posted by flomo

Solid list

Bank It Drew,
what about Gator?

He defended gabe not long ago so he's on my watch list.

I read in the last game something about gator pwning everyone and I didn't see it. I can't remember if he binked wolves early or if he lvl'd the village as a wolf but it doesn't matter. I feel like he's been rather absent this game.

I'm seeing too many villagers.

Originally Posted by flomo

Are we lynching hoopy or gabe today?

gabe imho.

Originally Posted by gabe

daven and bigred are leading candidates. gator keith hoopy are all tier 2 imo

In the endgame I think most wolves here will have one wolf as a top suspect, one as suspicious and not mention the other.

Originally Posted by gabe

this is most crucial time of the game and no one is posting. daven is probably not a wolf or the wolves would have directed people to someone else. i think both the last 2 lynches were lazy so dont make this one of those

lynch bigred

Originally Posted by gabe

daven is at 5 and 1 more bold would do him in so someone rescind. whats happening cant be good for village. we're one off the bubble and no one is fighting him. if he was a wolf then he outs himself or at least gets one of his homies to defend him

Originally Posted by gabe

because if he was a wolf then this thread wouldnt be dead quiet

gabe has done this before, when a villager is nearly lynched he'll drop in and say "nobody is protesting, he's not a wolf". Then when the villager dies he gets a bit of credit.

I still don't see why BR can't be a wolf. When gabe went after bigred I voted for him as well, quickly afterwards Gator then put a 5th vote on aubrey while daven & rong both still had 3. Strategically it makes sense for wolves to attack each other sometimes and the risk to BR was minimal.

Wolves
gabe
Gator
bigred
????

Hoopy - I think you're a villager but I see too many of them as well.

Really need to see more from Gator and bigred today. I don't want to lose because of inactives.

Not sure the 12:4 wolf-heavy ratio makes sense if the only additional advantage we got was to have two masons, so if there are any more specials, let's hear it. There's no sense waiting now.

I hope Flomo, JV, BID, and Gabe are the wolves and just fucking around with us on what is a clear victory.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Hoopy - I think you're a villager but I see too many of them as well.

Really need to see more from Gator and bigred today. I don't want to lose because of inactives.

Not sure the 12:4 wolf-heavy ratio makes sense if the only additional advantage we got was to have two masons, so if there are any more specials, let's hear it. There's no sense waiting now.

Most likely it's Hoopy, Benny, Gator, and Gabe and they're frantically waving their hands around demanding more discussion to try to create confusion and a few misdirection all under the guise of "discussion is +EV for village."

Blah, did not proofread. Minus the a few

One of benny and drew has to be a wolf. But I can find good reasons for them being villagers, both when going on reads or strategically.

Today we lynch gabe, tomorrow will be heavy decision time. I hope someone can figure out something revelant to remedy this overabunce of villagers we're all seeing.

Originally Posted by bigred

Most likely it's Hoopy, Benny, Gator, and Gabe and they're frantically waving their hands around demanding more discussion to try to create confusion and a few misdirection all under the guise of "discussion is +EV for village."

I've definitely seen wolves do this, Gator in our wolf game together comes to mind and more.

this is esssentially the posts that i used when i originally lynched Gabe with at tthe stat of the game. JV reviewed them and broke them down. knowing that gabe is a wolf , why is he dropping gator off his lists but making sure he had rilla on their. seems like a clear case of Gator being a fellow wolf and he doesn't want to put too much pressure on him.

Originally Posted by gabe
we should pick off of that wagon.

voted jv: luco, gator, gabe, jyms, rilla, keith, aubrey

i think we choose between luco, jyms and keith

aubrey is less suspicious because her being a wolf was predicated on a her+jv wolf team.
rescind



rubbish , aubrey could still be a wolf and her being a wolf is not predicated on JV being a wolf


Originally Posted by gabe
might as well include gator on that list too.

i think rilla shouldnt be lynched because he can nail some wolves in spots where other people cant



so why should we include gator but not rilla . villager Gator can be just as helpful as rilla in the endgame but he's a devious bugger when hes a wolf.


Originally Posted by gabe
the best shot we have is a name off that list. gator was first to bold jv, i made a small case for it then everyone else piled on. so theres a wolf between luco/jyms/keith/rilla/aubrey. aubrey is villagery after it turns out jv is clear. rilla is dangerous but valuable.

lynch keith but ill glady switch to the other 2.



I thought you were supposed to be good at this game. I voted JV because i found undisputable evidence that contradicted what he had already said in the thread. JV has not addressed the fact that he and Aubrey were wolves together when wolves were shown the village PM. He probably forgot is the best explanation if he is a mason as he claims but it is fishy that neither he nor aubrey remembered playing together as wolves having been shown the pm to contradict each other.

ALso you just said that Gator should be on the list , but now (6 minutes later) rilla is on it and gator has disappeared off it . gator is just as dangerous and valuable as rilla yet you want to lynch the person who proved that JV had made an untrue statement rather than hoping on a runaway train.

add in the post i put yesterday about gator inviting the seer to look him up and its possible that he is the alpha wolf. However , would gator ever get seered early in the game. if he's a villager he will likely get eaten early and if he's a wolf he's not going to be eaten and the old adage of "gator gets to endgame , hes a wolf" would kick in.He could just be a wolf saying that, knowing that a seer is unlikely to look him up at that stage of the game.This premise is somewhat influenced by thoughts i'm posting further down.
gator is a wolf

-------------------------------------------------------------------

I made my case against hoopy .

Originally Posted by LucoGiven that you've been defending Aubrey all game, your wasted bigred vote that allowed her to die is horribad.



I went wow when i read that comment and went back and checked and found

#509

Originally Posted by OngBonga
VC 2.4

4 - daven - L-4
3 - aubrey
1 - rong, flomo, luco, bigred

(tiebreaks - 2, 3, 4 aubrey)

daven - rilla, bigred, jack, hoopy
rong - daven
flomo - drew
luco - benny
aubrey - rong, keith, luco
bigred - gabe

not voting - flomo, aubrey, gator

8 to lynch!

Deadline is Monday 8pm UK, 3pm ET (25 hrs 40 mins)




#518 hoopy quotes rilla and asks him what he thinks of Daven

Originally Posted by Hoopy
That it's based on one thing which wolves don't usually do (as JV said), and not much else.

What do you think of daven?



1 minute later with no other replies he posts


Originally Posted by Hoopy
A bigred wagon would be good.

rescind daven
lynch bigred



This is the vote that Luco was talking about BUT it also drops Daven back down to 3 and based on Ongs vote count that i quoted means that Aubrey then becomes the lynch. So far from saving her he actually puts her at risk. His next post is the following morning.


Originally Posted by Hoopy
Might want to check these totals Ong, I've got;

aubrey - 5
daven - 3
rong/bigred - 2
flomo - 1



Far from moving back onto daven and giving a chance for her to be saved if people moved off her wagon , he stayed on bigred.This was a prime opportunity for him to move onto Daven to try and save aubrey which proves the following is a lie


Originally Posted by Hoopy
Sigh I would have switched to daven to stop aubrey getting lynched but couldn't get online.



He was saying everything he could to imply that he thought she was a villager but doing everything that he could to make sure she died.

lynch hoopy

hoopy is a wolf

and now there is this interchange

Originally Posted by hoopy

Drew and benny aren't wolves together after that exchange.

Originally Posted by jackvance
Yes but think strategically. Plenty of people had shown suspicion of bigred so he's a good target for the wolves but not so great if he's a fellow wolf because it might just work. If things had happened how they should have happened (the wolves didn't know luco was going to reveal gabe) then gabe would have voted bigred and daven would have still died. Going into today, it would be very easy for him to claim "see I told you so about daven" and continue gunning for bigred which would secure them the win. It's pretty nice play, congruent with how gabe has been playing, but only makes sense if bigred is a villager.



Good reasoning, it means one of keith/drew has to be wolfin though.

JV and luco both argued for me and bigred being villagers. therefore wolves would have to be bid benny or hoopy.wolves have to just get 1 villager lynched to win . Hoopy has set up a tossup between me and bid. benney then comes in and shows that i'm likely a villager withthis series of posts

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

lol, yeah. You can't script that.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

I'm building a keith post but noticed this super villagery bid post from Day 1. Says known villagers are villagers pretty definitively. Picks gabe as a wolf and is second on that wagon after Keith. Hmm.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Reasons why Keith is a villager
1) Walls of text are super hard to fake as a wolf.
2) He likes reasoning things out...no gut feel. Here, his case against Hoopy is sensible, insightful, not forced: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...98#post2192698
3) He kicked off the game with a day length fight with rilla. I don't see a wolf attracting that much attention from a great player like rilla on D1: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...41#post2191441
4) Rilla and rong both thought he was a villager. I respect their ability to read: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...33#post2191633 and http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...66#post2191666
5) Gabe was really chasing him D1. In isolation, this could be establishing distance. Combined with some of these other points (#3), I don't see it. One example of a few posts: http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...36#post2191836

Reasons why Keith is a wolf
a) He really hammered on Aubrey's mistakes, which would have been relatively easy to do as a wolf
b) He was on both the Aubrey and Jyms wagons

The village evidence outweighs the wolf evidence, imo. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith is a villager.<<<<<<<<<<<<<

using the premise that hoopy set up , drew is therefore the wolf. However what about benney.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

I think this is the right time for this and with the game not on the line today, I hope you guys will not misunderstand this as wolfy: if the seer hasn't looked me up yet, don't do so tonight. It'll be a waste. I'll explain why tomorrow. Promise, 100%.

benny's quote yesterday seemed strange at the time . Was Benny trying a play to ensure that if the wolves missed the seer that night, the seer looks him up due to his wierd request and one of his lookups is then tainted if Benny is the alpha so that he comes back as a villager.
I've been back through the thread and checked and it came before Luco outed as the seer and crucially before luco revealed that there is an alpha wolf who comes back as villager. Were the wolves worried that seer could out today and bring three confirmed villagers +seer and if he had looked up one of JV/flomo wolves are then facing 5 confirmed villagers and a certain defeat as the seer could name 5 villagers and the remainder are then the 4 wolves.even if one of his lookups was dead, the seer would be able to put 4 villagers names forward leaving 1 villager and 4 wolves. The alpha has to be the person that gets looked up for that plan to work. Once seer was dead , benney just laughed it off as FPS.

benney is a wolf

As for DRew....would a wolf really lynch wuf during the night that wolves kill him, and would a wolf ever have jack and flomo on opposing teams once they out as masons. It seems unlikely to me and more likely explanation is that Bid is just the village idiot with a rather apt avatar.


this would fit a gabe , gator, hoopy, benney wolf team. by inference that means that Bigred,jv,flomo,me and bid are villagers

Nope.

Keith, you glossed over bigred. Why is he a villager?

because as luco explained in his thoughts "Bigred: gabe really really wanted him dead d2 and d3. Villager."

Originally Posted by Keith

because as luco explained in his thoughts "Bigred: gabe really really wanted him dead d2 and d3. Villager."

That's it? It's not possible that Gabe could vote bigred there because it's a low risk spot?

BTW, Gator is a lock wolf for being nice to me this game.

Wait, I just reread...on my phone so it's tough with all the quotes...Keith, you think Hoopy is a wolf but using the premise that Hoopy set up, I must be a wolf?

If Hoopy is a wolf, why are we trusting his premise? BID and I are both villagers.

the main reason that i think you are a wolf is because of your action trying to get seered before it was revealed that the alpha wolf would come back as a villager in a situation where the wolves had to hit the seer that night or have their alpha confirmed as a villager or risk having the seer revealing sufficient villagers to win the game for the village. Accepting hoopy and benny as wolves that interchange is confirmation of a wolf plan . add in gabe as confirmed wolf, and gabes soft play vs gator making gator a pretty strong wolf candidate and hoopy as another strong wolf candidate for his actions around the aubrey lynch and gabe, gator and hoopy all trying to get bigred lynched and bigred playing a different style making him a special candidate makes bigred an unlikely wolf and therefore gator gabe and hoopy wolves for trying to get a potential special lynched.

Hey Keith, don't throw out the sheer volume of villager evidence I've provided because of one fps I explained. It's not like I said "hey, you should seer me". If that's what I wanted as an alpha and the village didn't know there was an alpha, wouldn't I have been more direct?

Lastly, we're not even sure there is an alpha. Luco assumed that's what the third option was. There could be another role that returns the "didn't work" response.

bold someone and refresh the page for 24hrs until you have the first wolf in your trap, then rescind. if I were you I would've set some lynch bait by now

but you explained your FPS with this post

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Explanation for my post yesterday about the seer not looking me up. It was vanilla villager FPS. Would have served me a couple of ways:

1) Could have been interpreted by the wolves that I was a special and worth nomming. Better me than a real special. If it was even a small edge it was worth pushing since we have no angel and that extra seer lookup would have been invaluable.
2) Could have convinced the seer to actually look me up, which would lock my place at the end. As one of the few actually attempting to use facts and logical reasoning instead of surmising that "Dude was a wolf once, therefore again!", I thought that would, you know, be a useful tool at the end.

Here's the thing about using logic in this game. You can't do it as a wolf. I've tried and been burned every time. JV, you were a wolf with me and you know this. My playing style is only useful as a villager and it's hella apparent when I'm not one.

why are you now claiming that if you wanted looking up you'd have been more direct , when you've already admitted that you did it in the hope that you would be looked up to "lock your place at the end". alpha details hadn't been talked about since Luco posted it at that stage so you may have been hoping it had been overlooked.

Originally Posted by luco

I must tell you all that I actually might survive the night because the wolves have a role blocker and they may want to leave some doubt over Gabe. For what it's worth they also have an alpha wolf who comes back villager when looked up.

note the wording ....quite specific ...they have a roleblocker and they also have an alpha wolf who comes back villager.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

How would you know this? What do you mean by role blocker?

Originally Posted by Luco

It was implied in the wording of my pm. I receive either 'villager', 'wolf ', or' unsuccessful' when I send my lookup. I don't know what else unsuccessful could mean.

original post says that the alpha wolf comes back as villager. unsuccessful is why luco says that there is a roleblocker as its the only way that he can get an unsuccesful result.

Originally Posted by BennyLaRue

Cool. Good explanation.

so you understood it clearly at the time ...so why question it now? Why are saying

Lastly, we're not even sure there is an alpha. Luco assumed that's what the third option was. There could be another role that returns the "didn't work" response.

when you had a discussion with luco about it and said he gave a good explanation.

Originally Posted by Keith

but you explained your FPS with this post


why are you now claiming that if you wanted looking up you'd have been more direct , when you've already admitted that you did it in the hope that you would be looked up to "lock your place at the end". alpha details hadn't been talked about since Luco posted it at that stage so you may have been hoping it had been overlooked.

If being looked up was my only motive, I would have been more direct. Think about how you would have tried to get the seer to look you up as an Alpha Wolf and how you would have tried to word it to draw attention to yourself and you'll understand the difference.

Originally Posted by Keith

note the wording ....quite specific ...they have a roleblocker and they also have an alpha wolf who comes back villager.

Originally Posted by Keith

original post says that the alpha wolf comes back as villager. unsuccessful is why luco says that there is a roleblocker as its the only way that he can get an unsuccesful result.



so you understood it clearly at the time ...so why question it now? Why are saying


when you had a discussion with luco about it and said he gave a good explanation.

You're right. I didn't remember the conversation with luco correctly today when posting from my phone.

If you're not content with that answer, please lynch me now. Please. I don't want to waste any more time. I can't express my villageryness any more clearly. You of all people should know that you cannot fake the walls of text I've been putting up.

Is the day talked out? How about we lynch Gabe and reset based on who gets nommed?

Yeah I think everyone has had their say. The real discussion will happen tomorrow.

lynch gabe

lynch gabe

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