Werewolf bitches!

Originally Posted by Keith

I think that longer days are an advantage to the wolves because it gives them time to plan and wolf hunt

Self hunting wolves would be great.

Originally Posted by Keith

but if he's defending me ...why is he keeping his vote on me?. That paragraph just seems confused to me.

I read it as an attack, not a defense. So, yeah, confused.com

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Self hunting wolves would be great.

ha ha, wp

I read it as a defense but now I analyzed it harder and it's just... I don't get it, actually. He's saying something about how Keith said we should let people request day extensions, but a wolf would never request a day extension.. I don't know, clearly I'm missing something.

It's not a big deal to me anyway, just thought I'd point it out. I don't have any strong opinion on Keith.

I am not sure I agree that a wolf would never request an extension. It could be a pretty bold move to look villagery.

As for today I prefer a lynch jv. He is sitting way too far in the background.

Keith can't help bolding anyone who types a few sentences about him. it never fails. I'm switching my read back from frazzled wolf to standard fishy Keith

Originally Posted by jackvance

rescind chippy
I can wait for benny to return. Benny has a sick hard to spot wolf game btw, will have to look out for that.

if chip was a wolf he's so much more likely to show up. if Benny gets subbed into the game he's the most likely villager out of everyone. suggesting he would be suspicious is anti village, moreso early in the game. I can't think why jv would push this (if he had made 20 posts I wouldn't think of him as pushing it but he saved his insight for this???)

rescind and lynch jackvance

also we know gator can be tough but I feel I can spot it when he slips up. I've nailed some crazy ninja reads on him when he's been a wolf recently so I dare him to keep posting a bunch and risk his peril

wuf and hoopy are worrisome when they aren't posting much. it's hard to lock them down..

Originally Posted by gabe

Keith can't help bolding anyone who types a few sentences about him. it never fails. I'm switching my read back from frazzled wolf to standard fishy Keith

if chip was a wolf he's so much more likely to show up. if Benny gets subbed into the game he's the most likely villager out of everyone. suggesting he would be suspicious is anti village, moreso early in the game. I can't think why jv would push this (if he had made 20 posts I wouldn't think of him as pushing it but he saved his insight for this???)

rescind and lynch jackvance

this is a really good catch.. could be chalked up to JV simply not thinking, which I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to because sometimes I post without thinking things through all the way.. but still, this is a really good catch.

I'll have to look over JV a bit more..

On that note I should add that I wouldn't be surprised if Chip didn't show up even if he was wolf.

Originally Posted by gabe

also we know gator can be tough but I feel I can spot it when he slips up. I've nailed some crazy ninja reads on him when he's been a wolf recently so I dare him to keep posting a bunch and risk his peril

Then there is no risk this game for me because I am just a villager.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

this is a really good catch.. could be chalked up to JV simply not thinking, which I always like to give the benefit of the doubt to because sometimes I post without thinking things through all the way.. but still, this is a really good catch.

I'll have to look over JV a bit more..

That last sentence is odd. Dude's on two posts, what's to look over?

Chippy hasn't posted anywhere on site since the game started. I feel obliged to point this out. I'd say this whether he's wolf or villager, because fuck a wolf skating by with undeserved towncred, and fuck a villager skating by with undeserved towncred.

Originally Posted by Luco

That last sentence is odd. Dude's on two posts, what's to look over?

Ya this. Nice catch. Thinking that could be a massive slip up with two threads to follow as a wolf. I think if JV flips wolf we take Aubrey next

​Lynch JV

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

On that note I should add that I wouldn't be surprised if Chip didn't show up even if he was wolf.

This. Could be a wolf with Gabe though. Bit abc but feasible.

Originally Posted by jyms

Ya this. Nice catch. Thinking that could be a massive slip up with two threads to follow as a wolf. I think if JV flips wolf we take Aubrey next

​Lynch JV

huh ???? logic seems all to cock there.You are saying that aubrey has made a mistake with two threads to follow so you should be lynching her rather than the person she was talking about .

Originally Posted by Luco

That last sentence is odd. Dude's on two posts, what's to look over?

Lol nice catch.

It doesn't implicate jv though. Just shows that Aubrey is typing shit for the sake of it as opposed to typing what she thinks/believes/discovers etc in the way villagers do.

I'm pretty sure she's a wolf now. She's also defo the type to play dumb like she did at the beginning, and I know gator backed her up but I modded the game she and he were wolves so feel I have just as good a read.

Originally Posted by rong

This. Could be a wolf with Gabe though. Bit abc but feasible.

To clarify this, I was saying that Gabe saying chippy is likely a villager due to no show could mean he and chippy are wolves. Reading what I wrote it looks like I'm saying Gabe and Aubrey.

I like a JV lynch and so I will lynch JV

Originally Posted by Luco

That last sentence is odd. Dude's on two posts, what's to look over?

I didn't know he had two posts because I didn't look it over. I'm working so I don't really have time to go through the whole thread - I can only really grunch at the moment. All I know was that he hadn't posted much, but I remembered he HAD posted something, so I simply wanted to look over whatever that was before making my final judgment. I'm not sure what's so weird about that.

VC 1.4

5 - jack - L-4
2 - aubrey - L-7
1 - rong, keith, luco, flomo, gabe, gator - L-8

keith - flomo
gator - bigred
aubrey - drew, rong
jack - luco, gator, gabe, jyms, rilla
flomo - hoopy
luco - wuf
rong - daven
gabe - keith

not voting - jack, chippy, aubrey

deadline - 8am UK Wednesday (3am ET)

Originally Posted by jackvance

Days lasting 3 days seems optimal for me, 15 is crazy long. And I think aubrey was not there in the game where we had the big discussion about PMs (the axis and allies game or the one before that?), I don't think she would have made this misunderstanding of "the wolves have been shown a regular villager pm" if she had known about that - whether she is a wolf or villager.

Nice lineup.

lynch chippy

here we go, I remembered that he had at least posted a paragraph. And I honestly didn't know he didn't post anything else, it felt like it was more in my mind. So I made a mental note to go look over whatever else he did in this thread. Again... how is that fishy? That I didn't remember someone's post count when the thread is only up to 4 pages? And a lot of it has been back and forth today between me and rilla with some other people involved? That's what was fresh on my mind.

Aubrey 's quote of jv made me read his post again. On the strength of that I'd just like to reiterate that Aubrey was a wolf in my game and I gave the wolves the villager pm at the beginning of the game.

Originally Posted by Keith

huh ???? logic seems all to cock there.You are saying that aubrey has made a mistake with two threads to follow so you should be lynching her rather than the person she was talking about .

I agree, but I feeel like I like a JV lynch at this time. I remember the last game when I got this same feeling early on page two. I was absolutely sure gator was a wolf and by waffling and following others I let him destroy us last game. JV is a wolf.

I would also prefer JV to Aubrey.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

I didn't know he had two posts because I didn't look it over. I'm working so I don't really have time to go through the whole thread - I can only really grunch at the moment. All I know was that he hadn't posted much, but I remembered he HAD posted something, so I simply wanted to look over whatever that was before making my final judgment. I'm not sure what's so weird about that.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

here we go, I remembered that he had at least posted a paragraph. And I honestly didn't know he didn't post anything else, it felt like it was more in my mind. So I made a mental note to go look over whatever else he did in this thread. Again... how is that fishy? That I didn't remember someone's post count when the thread is only up to 4 pages? And a lot of it has been back and forth today between me and rilla with some other people involved? That's what was fresh on my mind.

These start looking like "panic aubrey" so I am not 100% sure of my read now.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

I didn't know he had two posts because I didn't look it over. I'm working so I don't really have time to go through the whole thread - I can only really grunch at the moment. All I know was that he hadn't posted much, but I remembered he HAD posted something, so I simply wanted to look over whatever that was before making my final judgment. I'm not sure what's so weird about that.

Originally Posted by jyms

I agree, but I feeel like I like a JV lynch at this time. I remember the last game when I got this same feeling early on page two. I was absolutely sure gator was a wolf and by waffling and following others I let him destroy us last game. JV is a wolf.

Yeah, IIRC you nailed a couple of us pretty early so we had to change the focus to how wolfish YOU looked to deflect.

well crap. I didn't realize you had to uncheck the multi quote. Aubrey's quote shouldn't be there.

reviewing JV's posts

Originally Posted by jackvance

Days lasting 3 days seems optimal for me, 15 is crazy long. And I think aubrey was not there in the game where we had the big discussion about PMs (the axis and allies game or the one before that?), I don't think she would have made this misunderstanding of "the wolves have been shown a regular villager pm" if she had known about that - whether she is a wolf or villager.


Nice lineup.


lynch chippy

aubrey quoted the above and said

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

here we go, I remembered that he had at least posted a paragraph. And I honestly didn't know he didn't post anything else, it felt like it was more in my mind. So I made a mental note to go look over whatever else he did in this thread. Again... how is that fishy? That I didn't remember someone's post count when the thread is only up to 4 pages? And a lot of it has been back and forth today between me and rilla with some other people involved? That's what was fresh on my mind.

but remember that rong has said

Originally Posted by rong

Lol nice catch.


It doesn't implicate jv though. Just shows that Aubrey is typing shit for the sake of it as opposed to typing what she thinks/believes/discovers etc in the way villagers do.


I'm pretty sure she's a wolf now. She's also defo the type to play dumb like she did at the beginning, and I know gator backed her up but I modded the game she and he were wolves so feel I have just as good a read.

more importantly though he said

Originally Posted by rong

No she was a wolf.


And I made a point of showing the wolves the villager pm and stating that I did so in the game thread.


I think it unlikely Aubrey would not get that statement from the op. I do think it's something she'd do as a wolf to get villager points. Plus I got nothing better.


lynch Aubrey

looking at the results from the game that rong modded.

Originally Posted by rong

the dead


Day 1: eugmac, a regular gang member, lynched by the village.
Night 1: wolves thwarted by angel
Day 2: Daven, a regular villager, lynched by the village.
Night 2: Pascal, a regular villager, was modkilled.
Night 2: Ongbonga, a Fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 2: Hoopy, the connected gang member, was killed by the feds.
NIght 2: Daven, was revived.
Day 3: JV, a Fed, was lynched by the village.
Night 3: Gabe, a regular village, was killed by the Feds.
Night 3: wolves Vig shot thwarted by angel
Day 4: MMM, a regular gang member, was modkilled for self lynching.
Night 4: NightGizmo, a regular gang member, was killed by the Vig.
Night 4: daven, a regular gang member, was killed by the feds.
Day 5: ImSavy, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.
Night 5: Luco, the reviver, was killed by the feds.
Day 6: Bikes, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.
Night 6: aubrey, a fed, was killed by the Vig.
Night 6: JKDS, the angel, was killed by the feds.
Day 7: Keith, a regular gang member, was lynched by the village.
Night 7: Jyms, the pussy killer, was killed by the feds.

So JV was a wolf with aubrey in the game where rong says that he showed the wolves the town pm. so why did JV base the first quoted post on the premise that she probably didn't know about the wolves knowing town pms and discussion about it.
JV is obviously not telling the truth here so

rescind

lynch JV

Nice!

Keith is like the king of research. Remind me to never make shit up when I am a wolf if he is in the game. Fuckin guy finds everything WW, poker or forum spammers.

Originally Posted by Luco

That last sentence is odd. Dude's on two posts, what's to look over?

Shows that Luco is paying attention.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

here we go, I remembered that he had at least posted a paragraph. And I honestly didn't know he didn't post anything else, it felt like it was more in my mind. So I made a mental note to go look over whatever else he did in this thread. Again... how is that fishy? That I didn't remember someone's post count when the thread is only up to 4 pages? And a lot of it has been back and forth today between me and rilla with some other people involved? That's what was fresh on my mind.

Who do you think is wolfy aubrey?

I don't get the JV train.

Rescind Keith

Originally Posted by rong

Aubrey 's quote of jv made me read his post again. On the strength of that I'd just like to reiterate that Aubrey was a wolf in my game and I gave the wolves the villager pm at the beginning of the game.

i honestly don't remember that.

Keith that's pretty good, but I'm not a wolf with jv. I'm pretty sure we just didn't remember. I should have kept my mouth shut or just pm'ed Ong with that question, ugh.

Hoopy - I think Rilla could possibly be wolf based on my suspicions, but at this point JV is looking wolfiest bc of his lack of posting and Gabe's catch about JV saying we should be suspicious of benny. Also wuf bc of his lack of posting and his weak read of luco, but it's possible wuf is making a point to alter his play style so.. the jury is still out on that one for me.

on that note

rescind chip

lynch jv

Originally Posted by gabe

Keith can't help bolding anyone who types a few sentences about him. it never fails. I'm switching my read back from frazzled wolf to standard fishy Keith

if chip was a wolf he's so much more likely to show up. if Benny gets subbed into the game he's the most likely villager out of everyone. suggesting he would be suspicious is anti village, moreso early in the game. I can't think why jv would push this (if he had made 20 posts I wouldn't think of him as pushing it but he saved his insight for this???)

Yes I know that, it's with that in mind, that benny already will get quite a bit of villager cred that I posted about how he could still be a wolf because the most I remember about his game is when he was a wolf. I mean chippy's been away from FTR so might just not have seen his PM yet.

Well what a lot of early suspicion. You have to know that's never a wolf right? I've been up and about and barely had time to post or think about the game and day 1 isn't that interesting anyway normally.

really? never?

Also I can pretty much confirm myself as a villager by outing my role, but I had hoped I didn't have to do that, or at least not this fast.

I'm still mostly suspicious of Gator. The way he doubled back when my wagon picked up steam while he knows I'm gonna flip villager and wants to be absolved of the responsibility of starting my wagon. I've seen him do this before.

lynch gator

VC 1.5

7 - jack - L-2
2 - aubrey, gator - L-7
1 - rong, luco, flomo - L-8

jack - luco, gator, gabe, jyms, rilla, keith, aubrey
gator - bigred, jack
aubrey - drew, rong
flomo - hoopy
luco - wuf
rong - daven

not voting - chippy, flomo

deadline - 8am UK Wednesday (3am ET)

I do not like the JV wagon (up to 7 quickly on Day 1), and I think 1 or 2 wolves are on it

Half the village is on it.

Originally Posted by rong

Half the village is on it.

That's too sensible. These things are never that sensible

Daven spewed hard last night. 3 worthless bolds in like 5 minutes. I think he did it on purpose. I didn't know what to make of it yesterday, and had just landed on Luco, so decided to let it go. Going back over the thread now, there isn't much to pin on anybody, but Daven's spew is just senseless and I think he would do it like this as a wolf. I still like a Luco lynch, but nobody else does. Can't say I'm a fan of a JV lynch

rescind luco lynch daven

I like a Daven Luco Chippy team right now. Luco was just weirdly defensive of Chippy, and Daven instabolded him then instajumped from it. Usually these things aren't true, so I'm just trying to stick to one case at a time, but whatever

Originally Posted by jackvance

I'm still mostly suspicious of Gator. The way he doubled back when my wagon picked up steam while he knows I'm gonna flip villager and wants to be absolved of the responsibility of starting my wagon. I've seen him do this before.

lynch gator

This proves you aren't paying attention and are a panicked wolf.

Post 102 Daven votes for Aubrey then for Rong in post 103.
Post 118 Keith votes for keith
Post 144 rilla votes for rong (and I am pretty sure your name was never mentioned)
Post 155 I put in the second vote for you.

I would hardly say that is jumping on a bandwagon that is picking up steam.

Might as well out as I'm at L-2. I'm a mason together with flomo. We have our own little 2 person forum to chat. Here's the wikipedia:

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Mason

Going by that description the biggest use of my power is to confirm our villager statuses so here it is. Any sort of investigative power can look up either of us and confirm both.

Back on Luco. His response to my post about him

Originally Posted by Luco

On some level my bold was because he went from random shot at wolf to slightly better than random shot at wolf after that post, but mostly it was because bolding is fun.

Really? This is why you lynch JV? Maybe if you want to make a dumb decision


It is extremely unlikely that JV is lying, and it is extremely likely that the wolves liked the idea of killing him (so 1 or 2 are on it). I think we have to lynch somebody on that wagon now. There are only 1 or 2 who I think bolded him in reasonable pretenses. Among the others, I'm not entirely sure who I like lynching the most, but I think Luco looks the worst

rescind daven lynch luco

rescind jv Time to look over stuff again I guess.

we should pick off of that wagon.

voted jv: luco, gator, gabe, jyms, rilla, keith, aubrey

i think we choose between luco, jyms and keith

aubrey is less suspicious because her being a wolf was predicated on a her+jv wolf team.
rescind

might as well include gator on that list too.

i think rilla shouldnt be lynched because he can nail some wolves in spots where other people cant

the best shot we have is a name off that list. gator was first to bold jv, i made a small case for it then everyone else piled on. so theres a wolf between luco/jyms/keith/rilla/aubrey. aubrey is villagery after it turns out jv is clear. rilla is dangerous but valuable.

lynch keith but ill glady switch to the other 2.

Can someone with more paying attention skills analyze Daven's play this game vs the last few? Wasn't he very active as a villager last game? If so, he's doing a great job of lying low.

Originally Posted by gabe

we should pick off of that wagon.

voted jv: luco, gator, gabe, jyms, rilla, keith, aubrey

i think we choose between luco, jyms and keith

aubrey is less suspicious because her being a wolf was predicated on a her+jv wolf team.
rescind

This isn't the standard gabe throwing out ideas and soul reading players posts, this is gabe leading the village down a path. It's not right and it's not comfortable.

Rescind JV lynch gabe

Originally Posted by gabe

the best shot we have is a name off that list. gator was first to bold jv, i made a small case for it then everyone else piled on. so theres a wolf between luco/jyms/keith/rilla/aubrey. aubrey is villagery after it turns out jv is clear. rilla is dangerous but valuable.

lynch keith but ill glady switch to the other 2.

And this helps my case, I think Keith may be one of my more lock villagers.

@ the people who want to lynch luco or keith, I'd prefer a Luco lynch. I think Keith, regardless of a role, has a lot of information to give via his analysis. Villager keith is helpful. Wolf keith would have a lot of posts to give some leads.

Also, the whole Luco chipeater defense seems like an easy way for a wolf to get some villager points. Not sure what to think if wuf's reaction to that post. Pretty silly wuf. I know he's been messing around with a new approach.

Does Jyms wolf have a "go after gabe early in the game" card up his sleeve? I'm thinking no.

Originally Posted by bigred

Does Jyms wolf have a "go after gabe early in the game" card up his sleeve? I'm thinking no.

He could if they are both wolves, but that is a stretch. I will take a look at Luco and also another look at Aubrey.

As for wuf would he really change his style this dramatically if he rolled wolf this game? I think it is more plausible that he would make a slight modification instead to avoid drawing too much attention.

Finally I am not sure I agree with Jyms on Gabe but need to re-read some posts.

Originally Posted by aubreymcfate

Hrmmm -beard scratch-

Your response makes a little more sense than I had originally thought - probably a result of me jumping on this shit the second I wake up. I'll have to reevaluate the matter in my fungal chamber.

Overall it does kind of seem like you're reaching a bit, or the very least pointing out the obvious in a very emphatic way just to look good. That's just my impression at the moment.

Only female werewolves have beards! Caught fur-handed!

Originally Posted by GatorJH

This proves you aren't paying attention and are a panicked wolf.

Post 102 Daven votes for Aubrey then for Rong in post 103.
Post 118 Keith votes for keith
Post 144 rilla votes for rong (and I am pretty sure your name was never mentioned)
Post 155 I put in the second vote for you.

I would hardly say that is jumping on a bandwagon that is picking up steam.

pretty sure i didn't self lynch

Originally Posted by GatorJH

He could if they are both wolves, but that is a stretch. I will take a look at Luco and also another look at Aubrey.

As for wuf would he really change his style this dramatically if he rolled wolf this game? I think it is more plausible that he would make a slight modification instead to avoid drawing too much attention.

Finally I am not sure I agree with Jyms on Gabe but need to re-read some posts.

Bolded part -Def a mental note for later in the game.

Gator, what does your role pm say? You're being far too cordial towards me. Does it read "You are bigred's bff, buddy!"?

Originally Posted by Keith

pretty sure i didn't self lynch

Did you apologize to yourself with your last breadth for bleeding on your shoes? Where's Bikes to laugh at my emo joke...

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Shows that Luco is paying attention.

Who do you think is wolfy aubrey?

After a few rescans of the first few pages, this is the biggest red flag to me. Asking people who they think are wolfy is a great way to be "involved" without revealing too much. Good wolf tactics. lynch hoopy

The only stronger argument I agree with for a day 1 lynch is Gabe's point about lynching a JV bandwagoner. Wolves would love to get a villager JV killed early on.

I think I like an Aubrey lynch the most from that list with Luco right behind. I don't buy Aubrey's early PM questions.

Originally Posted by Keith

pretty sure i didn't self lynch

lol - sorry bout that.

Originally Posted by gabe

we should pick off of that wagon.

voted jv: luco, gator, gabe, jyms, rilla, keith, aubrey

i think we choose between luco, jyms and keith

aubrey is less suspicious because her being a wolf was predicated on a her+jv wolf team.
rescind

rubbish , aubrey could still be a wolf and her being a wolf is not predicated on JV being a wolf

Originally Posted by gabe

might as well include gator on that list too.

i think rilla shouldnt be lynched because he can nail some wolves in spots where other people cant

so why should we include gator but not rilla . villager Gator can be just as helpful as rilla in the endgame but he's a devious bugger when hes a wolf.

Originally Posted by gabe

the best shot we have is a name off that list. gator was first to bold jv, i made a small case for it then everyone else piled on. so theres a wolf between luco/jyms/keith/rilla/aubrey. aubrey is villagery after it turns out jv is clear. rilla is dangerous but valuable.

lynch keith but ill glady switch to the other 2.

I thought you were supposed to be good at this game. I voted JV because i found undisputable evidence that contradicted what he had already said in the thread. JV has not addressed the fact that he and Aubrey were wolves together when wolves were shown the village PM. He probably forgot is the best explanation if he is a mason as he claims but it is fishy that neither he nor aubrey remembered playing together as wolves having been shown the pm to contradict each other.

ALso you just said that Gator should be on the list , but now (6 minutes later) rilla is on it and gator has disappeared off it . gator is just as dangerous and valuable as rilla yet you want to lynch the person who proved that JV had made an untrue statement rather than hoping on a runaway train.

Originally Posted by bigred

After a few rescans of the first few pages, this is the biggest red flag to me. Asking people who they think are wolfy is a great way to be "involved" without revealing too much. Good wolf tactics. lynch hoopy

The only stronger argument I agree with for a day 1 lynch is Gabe's point about lynching a JV bandwagoner. Wolves would love to get a villager JV killed early on.

Gabe seems to be off this game , his logic sucks and hes just as likely to be a wolf piling on.

rescind JV LYNCH GABE

Since everybody seems to be asking, I played like this in the world war game. I explained why I changed my style after the MAYHEM game before, but can repeat the bullet points again: when I post a lot, it turns into the wufshow, and everybody hates that, including me; when I'm more selective and precise with my posts, my reads are usually better; I've proven to myself what I want about my village game, so I don't have much more motivation to play the leader like I used to; the spewy style would be impossible for me to replicate as a wolf, and since I already have several ballsy village games on my belt, I'm more interested in playing in a way that I could wolf successfully; posting a bunch makes mulling back through the thread during later game days much harder, which really harms the village and is personally frustrating; and it's a helluva lot easier, less stressful, and mature to play in a tempered fashion.

Anyways, this isn't exactly new. I played the same way in my last game. I've also modded like four or five games. You always learn things when you mod.

^^Should add that one of the main things you learn when you mod is how easy it is for players to trick themselves by hammering away at a read that they don't yet know is false. The more you say it, the more you believe it -- that sorta thing. Maybe you guys figured this out a while ago, but it has taken me some time

Lynch luco

Just got notice that I am heading to Ottawa in hte AM till Friday night. 5 hr drive so I will be playing from my phone again for the better part of 4 days.

I still like the Aubrey lynch but I am sticking with my gabe read.

rescind jv

Man oh man. Gabe has to be near the top vote count now that everyone is rescinding JV. As off as Gabe seems, a day 1 Gabe lynch is like folding AA preflop.

Oh, I'm ready to bold BID anyday as well. Nothing but fail coming from that side of the camp.