Vanilla Werewolf gameplay thread

[wufwugy]

The Living

bid
ong
bigred
gabe
sdm
warpe
donkbee
keith
jv
jyms
rong
gizmo
gator
daven
hoopy
rilla
tlr
luco

The Dead

ur mom

The Village

11 villagers
1 every night seer
1 every night angel who can't target the same player on subsequent nights
1 even night vig that can't save bullets and starts firing on Night 2
4 wolves


Tis Day 1, which will end approximately 72 hours from now. 18 players means either 9 or 10 to lynch. If you know how many it should be, post it. There will be talking during the night phases. You can edit posts but only for small things like grammar and spelling within a swift time frame of the original post. The player list is in order of signup. PMs are out! I'm pretty sure we all know the rules. Have at it, losers!

[a500lbgorilla]

10 is a majority.

[wufwugy]

What I figured. 10 it r!

[a500lbgorilla]

Gator is by every measure the best day 1 lynch in every game format.

This was true last game but someone tried to sell that Gator was a good villager and I let it drop only to later find out that he was legitimately a wolf in every game I skipped. Good wolves don't make good villagers.

[StillDeadMoney]

You could have at least stacked the deck and given me a role, wuf.

rilla's quick post leads me to believe he's doing a sacrifice fly. Gator and rilla are both wolves. 2 wolves down, two to go! Hurray for SDM! Glad you're back SDM!

http://i.imgur.com/NADw97D.gif

[StillDeadMoney]

For day 1 lynches, the best ones are on players that are hard to read. Players like bigred are usually better to lynch because the wolves won't eat them (because they're always suspects) and they don't help the village all that much. Unless bigred's style has changed I think he would be a good day 1 lynch.

[jackvance]

Checking in. Pretty strong line-up it looks like.

[OngBonga]

wtf I agree with SDM already.

So if gator draws wolf again, I guarantee the first thing he'll say in the wolf den is something like "fuck's sake not again, just throw me under the bus". It was near enough to that effect last game iirc. So rilla's comment does strike me as alarming. Gator is a good villager, he's often nommed early by wolves because he's a threat, rilla should know this so yeah not impressed with him already.

[StillDeadMoney]

still pissed off that I drew villager. GOD WHAT THE FUCK

[TLR]

Veteran line up, should in an interesting game

I have not played in a while, will review the last 2-3 games over the weekend, but if BID is still as bad as I remember I think its an easy day 1 lynch

[Luco]

The 9th person to check in is a wolf, I guarantee it

[Keith]

Gator is by every measure the best day 1 lynch in every game format.

This was true last game but someone tried to sell that Gator was a good villager and I let it drop only to later find out that he was legitimately a wolf in every game I skipped. Good wolves don't make good villagers.

I disagree with just about everything in this post .

best day 1 lynch (unless someone makes a mistake) is always going to be SDM or BID before Gator. What difference does Gator being a wolf in every game you skipped make to your argument? if the village followed through on lynching Gator day 1, the recruiting game where Gator self lynched and ended up winning it for he village wouldn't have resulted in a village just as Davens first game would have been a wolf win . Good wolves can make excellent villagers . I was a nailed on villager last game .

rilla's quick post leads me to believe he's doing a sacrifice fly. Gator and rilla are both wolves. 2 wolves down, two to go! Hurray for SDM! Glad you're back SDM!

this reads just like "old" wuf....has he hacked an inactive account. So Lynch SDM with the added benefit that if he shows up wolf then Gator and rilla should then be looked at. Wolves going at each other early should evolve like me and gabe last game not be a plan.Gator recent wolf run would be bound to get some discussion in the den on how to use it to target a non wolf Gator.

[Hoopy]

SDM is back! I can't remember how he plays at all, same with Bee.

The 9th person to check in is a wolf, I guarantee it

I heard the 6th person is always a wolf!

[rong]

Sup!

Pretty much everyone playing is good (aside from sdm and bid). I expect either ridiculous village run good or a very tough game.



I'm most inclined to lynch bid because I never have w clue what he's thinking or doing. But last dead thread ong made a few valid points about how his style changes between roles so maybe that could be useful. We can't lynch sdm day one on his first game back. That's just a bit shitty, unless his posts demand it.

This leaves bigred. Just sayin.

[jyms]

Just woke up 7:30 EST, Game on bitches.

[StillDeadMoney]

this reads just like "old" wuf....has he hacked an inactive account.

Did you just accuse the mod of the game of cheating?

So Lynch SDM with the added benefit that if he shows up wolf then Gator and rilla should then be looked at.

Interesting. If you're a wolf, you know I'm on the village's side, and then Gator and rilla would never be looked at according to your recommendation. Two people that I already pointed out as potential wolves.

Wolves going at each other early should evolve like me and gabe last game not be a plan.Gator recent wolf run would be bound to get some discussion in the den on how to use it to target a non wolf Gator.

Unless leveling. "Guys, rilla and Gator aren't wolves because they're engaging in suboptimal play". Then use that to cover them until the end of the game.

I still like a bigred lynch for day 1 unless he actively starts participating. But the seer should scan one of my wolf suspects: rilla, gator, and keith.

[gabe]

lynch bigred
bigred gets punished for posting so little in previous games. bid gets a pass because hes seen as more easily readable. ok next

[Keith]

sdm , i suggest that you read the last game .16 posts in and you think you've got 3 wolves. you have 3 wolf suspects but you want to lynch bigred ....yeah i see you are just as bad at this as you've always been.

[Luco]

rilla's quick post leads me to believe he's doing a sacrifice fly. Gator and rilla are both wolves. 2 wolves down, two to go! Hurray for SDM! Glad you're back SDM!

this reads just like "old" wuf....has he hacked an inactive account. So Lynch SDM with the added benefit that if he shows up wolf then Gator and rilla should then be looked at.

You can't possibly believe this...

[jyms]

Lynch Bigred

I think it's time we play a game by lynching him instead of talking about it day in day out.

[NightGizmo]

I've never played with SDM before -- with wuf modding, he's taking wuf's place as the self-proclaimed expert?

[NightGizmo]

I'd be fine with a Bigred lynch -- he silently slides into midgame/endgame too often. And he said he's going to be quieter than normal, which makes it even worse.

I'd also be fine with a BID lynch -- I haven't played with him in a while, but he has played super-wolfy as a villager before because his goal is to stay alive rather than find wolves.

[OngBonga]

I haven't got a clue what keith is getting at. Maybe crazvette hacked keith's account.

jyms follows up gabe's lead. Nothing unusual there then.

I have to say though a bigred lynch makes sense. We know he'll only come to life in endgame, until then it's cats. If we're getting tactical from the outset, then bigred is a good place to start.

Let's wait for everyone to show up though before we allow a wagon to take off.

[wufwugy]

wuf....self-proclaimed expert?

Silly wabbit. Everybody knows thy sickness hath been proven

Carry on, muchachos!

[StillDeadMoney]

when a player doesn't play his usual game, that's when the seers should start scanning. Take note. Unless peoples' styles have radically changed since I've been gone, I'm already seeing some players clearly out of character.

I've never played with SDM before -- with wuf modding, he's taking wuf's place as the self-proclaimed expert?

Analogously, I'm a loose-aggressive player.

[Luco]

I'm down for a bigred lynch too, he was a bit of a stumbling block for the village the last two games.

SDM - I want to be a bit cautious about hanging people over style, although I won't discount it completely. Wuf recently said substance tends to be a more reliable indicator

[jackvance]

I can do a bigred lynch but it's too soon to commit to anyone yet.

[Keith]

this is a real kick in the nuts for Bigred ...hated more than SDM and BID

[Luco]

fwiw drew put in the hours in his last villager game and did pretty well.

I love playing with bigred but we've had our asses handed to us the last two games and both times he was a late game question mark. He doesn't clear himself well.

[OngBonga]

Why isn't bigred usually this easy to lynch on d1? Either wolves haven't showed up in enough numbers to influence the wagons, or bigred is a villager. I can't see bigred being thrown under the bus so quickly. I'd imagine if bigred were a wolf there would be a subtle attempt to move the wagon elsewhere, but everyone seems happy with bigred. Not so sure I am anymore.

We need people to get in here, we've lost a day already and there's still a few people yet to post, including the lead wagon.

[jyms]

Why isn't bigred usually this easy to lynch on d1? Either wolves haven't showed up in enough numbers to influence the wagons, or bigred is a villager. I can't see bigred being thrown under the bus so quickly. I'd imagine if bigred were a wolf there would be a subtle attempt to move the wagon elsewhere, but everyone seems happy with bigred. Not so sure I am anymore.

We need people to get in here, we've lost a day already and there's still a few people yet to post, including the lead wagon.

Under the bus? We just know bigred is going to be inactive early game.

We go through this every game. Day one is always "We should lynch the inactives." Every game we don't and every game it comes down to end game with someone that the village can't read because we have one MIA, somebody finally starting to post and a couple wolves that have played a great strategy. We talk about this all the time, we discuss posting minimums and forcing the inactives. The best strat for the village is to force posting by all parties. Lynch the inactives and people won't do it and we would never need to discuss it.

[rong]

Hey ong, was that a subtle attempt to move the wagon elsewhere?

[jyms]

If BR is a townie then it bodes well for the wolves to keep him around, he's been the 5th wolf before.

[OngBonga]

jyms, I agree with you to a degree. I mean yeah killing bigred makes sense because he's impossible to read and doesn't help the village like others do. But maybe it doesn't make so much sense when everyone says he should die today. He's effectively halfway to lynch without having posted. When does that ever happen to bigred? You think it's gonna happen to him when he's a wolf? I don't. Unless wolves haven't shown up yet, then it's likely that bigred is a villager. If he's a wolf then wolves are letting it happen without trying to draw anyone else in. That's basically throwing him under the bus. Why would wolves do that to bigred? He would be an awesome wolf.

I think bigred is villager based solely on how many people are willing to lynch him and the lack of counterwagon. So I don't think blindly lynching him based on usefulness or lack of is our best play for today, because it probably results in a dead villager.

rong - less subtle now, huh? Do you not think it's a bit too easy to lynch bigred? jyms thinks he'd be a good person to keep around for wolves. Maybe so, but then again so would drew and SDM. If bigred is wolf, then why isn't there serious talk about SDM and drew?

I don't think giving bigred a villager lean for being so easy to lynch is stretching things.

[a500lbgorilla]

Jyms is a villager.

[a500lbgorilla]

And there's a reason why everyone lobbing in their first post for obvious-X or cinch-target-Y is bad for the village. You're making it way too easy for wolves to post.

None of you seem to understand why Gator is a slam dunk lynch. If he's a villager, he's a +1 to the village. If he's a wolf, he's a -15. No amount of coherent wolf hunting will make him more valuable than anyone who can atleast show their colors to other villagers.

[a500lbgorilla]

I can do a bigred lynch but it's too soon to commit to anyone yet.

JV wolfin

[a500lbgorilla]

I'd be fine with a Bigred lynch -- he silently slides into midgame/endgame too often. And he said he's going to be quieter than normal, which makes it even worse.

I'd also be fine with a BID lynch -- I haven't played with him in a while, but he has played super-wolfy as a villager before because his goal is to stay alive rather than find wolves.

NG wolfin

[NightGizmo]

None of you seem to understand why Gator is a slam dunk lynch. If he's a villager, he's a +1 to the village. If he's a wolf, he's a -15. No amount of coherent wolf hunting will make him more valuable than anyone who can atleast show their colors to other villagers.

I've been in games where Gator was crucial to the village in the midgame and endgame -- killing him off on day 1 is a horrible strategy. Horrible.

[NightGizmo]

Not posted yet: BID, Warpe, Donkbee, Daven, Bigred. I think anyone out of that group is a good day 1 lynch.

[OngBonga]

So we should just lynch gator d1 every game, right?

Gator has been wolf four times in a row. He hasn't won four times in a row. I'm not lynching him purely because he's a sick wolf. He's not that sick.

I'm not comfortable with rilla taking this line. He should know better, it should be obvious that default lynching someone just for being a sick wolf is not a good precedent to set.

[NightGizmo]

I mean yeah killing bigred makes sense because he's impossible to read and doesn't help the village like others do. But maybe it doesn't make so much sense when everyone says he should die today. He's effectively halfway to lynch without having posted. When does that ever happen to bigred?

The field is pretty strong this game, so there aren't any obvious alternatives for no-info day 1 lynches. Even BID is getting some defense from players, so I guess he stepped up his game while I've been inactive. I don't think a no-show Bigred wagon is that surprising.

At this point, either we lynch an inactive or we take a longshot at someone that seems wolfy after only 24 hours of posting (Rilla, imo). But the latter rarely works -- it's too tough to get reliable reads in such a short time, we usually just end up killing off a villager, and we're still stuck with a bunch of quiet people that makes it easy for wolves to hide among.

[NightGizmo]

You could have at least stacked the deck and given me a role, wuf.

still pissed off that I drew villager. GOD WHAT THE FUCK

I don't know SDM's style -- but I've never seen anyone try so hard to proclaim that they are a villager. Seems weird.

[OngBonga]

I don't know SDM's style -- but I've never seen anyone try so hard to proclaim that they are a villager. Seems weird.

SDM's style is so unique it's named after him - SDM style.

I'm torn between thinking this stinks of rolefishing, and thinking you're more likely to talk about this in the den if you're a wolf.

[wufwugy]

I will modkill anybody who hasn't posted by the end of Night 1. Everybody received a PM at the start and 96 hours is more than enough for everybody who intends on playing to play. It isn't fair to those who put in effort to end up having to deal with those who don't

[GatorJH]

Gator is a good villager, he's often nommed early by wolves because he's a threat, rilla should know this so yeah not impressed with him already.

Actually I am rarely nommed early by wolves because they know they can play the "If Gator is still alive he must be a wolf card".

[GatorJH]

If he's a wolf then wolves are letting it happen without trying to draw anyone else in. That's basically throwing him under the bus.

The wolves won't blatantly defend Bigred on Day 1, but there have been numerous "Bigred is a good option but let's wait" type of posts that could be marginal deflections. I think we give him some time but I am more curious about how he reacts to the early attack.

[GatorJH]

Rilla, Ong, Gizmo and Jyms look villager to me.

Rilla's logic on me isn't that terrible, especially with such a strong field.

I could be down with a JV lynch or Bigred if he shows up with cat posts

[gabe]

ong is acting like theres a huge wagon on bigred so that means hes villagery, but the wagon on him isnt really that big. i could see where lots of villagers would agree bigred should die because why kill someone else?

ong is suspicious. lets kill bigred

[rong]

Actually I am rarely nommed early by wolves because they know they can play the "If Gator is still alive he must be a wolf card".

Didn't you say exactly this in the game I saved your ass and lynched Gabe and you then turned out to be wolf?

[jackvance]

Rilla seems more aggressive in his opinions than usual. Gator, bid and br are my preferred lynchs for day 1. Bid seemed to barely pay attention last game, there were some pretty big things happening which he didn't seem to have noticed.

[rong]

Considering there was a total of (i think) 2 bolded votes on bigred I don't see the argument of how he is unlikely to be a wolf. It's hardly throwing under a bus, it's nowhere near that point yet.

If bigred is a wolf I would expect one wolf to be a very early bold and one to be a very early defender (direct or subtle).

I say now bigred gives more info because we have a couple who were keen to jump on and bold and a clear defender.

[rong]

Rilla, Ong, Gizmo and Jyms look villager to me.

Rilla's logic on me isn't that terrible, especially with such a strong field.

I could be down with a JV lynch or Bigred if he shows up with cat posts

Something about this post is rather suspicious to me.

[donkbee]

I seem to remember bigred screwing me over in these games back in the day. I wouldn't mind having some revenge and just offing him right away, so I'll go with lynch bigred too.

[gabe]

Yes day 1 should be mostly revenge votes anyway!

[rong]

Let's analyze that gator post.

Pre post situation:
Big red getting a lot of attention, looking like the easiest lynch at this point. Also Rilla, one of the most influential posters is making a case for lynching gator.

Gator's posts:
Firstly a very easygoing nonaggressive defence post. Followed up with a post where he first agrees with one of rilla's reads (jyms) and then puts Rilla in a list of likely villagers. Then does more to pacify Rilla by being understanding about his earlier attack. Then throw out a name of someone getting no heat with no real explanation as well as listing the player who is currently looking easiest to lynch.

My problem with this post is it encompasses everything I would do in gator's situation as a wolf.

[jackvance]

I almost can't remember what a villager Gator looks/talk like.

[Hoopy]

Didn't you say exactly this in the game I saved your ass and lynched Gabe and you then turned out to be wolf?

Yeah I distinctly remember Gator saying something like this, though it is true that he's rarely nommed early.

Thinking of that last game also reminded me that my reads on keith were waaaay off, need to actually comb his posts this time rather than assuming things.

[jyms]

I'm not lynching gator yet, we all know his capabilities. I'm not picking up a whole lot of wolf vibe yet out of the ordinary from anyone so bigred seems my most likely lynch. BID is being conspicuously absent too so I could be convinced to lynch him for the same reasons I have bigred bolded

[Hoopy]

Rilla seems more aggressive in his opinions than usual. Gator, bid and br are my preferred lynchs for day 1. Bid seemed to barely pay attention last game, there were some pretty big things happening which he didn't seem to have noticed.

Agree about drew. Though he tries hard he's a liability in the endgame imo.

I almost can't remember what a villager Gator looks/talk like.

The same as wolf Gator, hence why he's so dangerous.

[Hoopy]

Not posted yet: BID, Warpe, Donkbee, Daven, Bigred. I think anyone out of that group is a good day 1 lynch.

Is that just because they've yet to post? I don't think inactivity is a good reason at this point.

[NightGizmo]

Is that just because they've yet to post? I don't think inactivity is a good reason at this point.

Without any clear modkill rules and this strong field, I think inactivity would have been a good day-1 reason. Especially for Bigred, who has a history of minimal activity through entire games. But now we know that inactivity will trigger a modkill -- we'll have to rethink that. Donkbee has shown up, so we're down to 4 inactives. We still have about 34 hours, I'm not bolding anyone -- we need to give the other inactives time to show up.

[jackvance]

The same as wolf Gator, hence why he's so dangerous.

In retrospect of the last game (the total village fail) I believe we could have spotted Gator but noone dared to pull the trigger. If his posting is going to be similar to that (not going into specifics for obvious reasons) then I'll happily bold him.

Also let's not forget how gabe played everyone last game, he is one tricky mofo as a wolf. I hope he's not a wolf again now.

[Luco]

Gator won't be a problem, he has a tell. You know he's lying when you see his lips move

[jackvance]

I've never seen his lips move.

[OngBonga]

ong is acting like theres a huge wagon on bigred so that means hes villagery, but the wagon on him isnt really that big. i could see where lots of villagers would agree bigred should die because why kill someone else?

ong is suspicious. lets kill bigred

tbh I was just trying to get some chit chat going. This game has been slow to get going.

There was no serious wagon on bigred, true. But a lot of people quickly expressed a willingness to lynch him, which I found unusual and worthy of discussion. SDM and drew might also have got some heat today, but they've been largely ignored. drew hasn't even shown up yet and still no serious wagon on him.

The modkills force our hand here. Right now we have 4 people dying at the end of n1. If we're to assume they're all villagers, and we mislynch today, plus clean nom, then we're down six at the beginning of d2, putting us 8-4. If we lynch from the modkill pool, worst case scenario tomorrow is coming in at 9-4, and then we at least have some breathing space. We could still do with some people getting in here. daven in particular.

So partly damage limitation regarding modkills, and partly because I think it's strange he's getting little attention...

lynch drew

[OngBonga]

bigred lynch is also fine really because he's in the modkill pool. I just think drew is more likely wolf based on bigred being the early target.

[TLR]

In the games I played with BID and to an extent SDM, they caused more damage as villagers to the village then any wolf, so BID is definitly my preferred lynch

I agree with Ong thuogh that the strict modkill rules pretty much force our hand, we need to use the max length of the day and to lynch an active if there are any, we should discuss the alternate vote if everyone shows up without bolding

[Keith]

i'm assuming that TLR meant to put "lynch an inactive if there is one" since he agreed with ONG. What is surprising me is the complete lack of attention that SDM is drawing.As TLR alluded , he causes serious damage to the village as a villager so that we effectively have 3 teams village , wolves and SDM. SDM just plays so that he can brag about the sick bluffs that he pulls, he's not interested in helping the village win just so that he can make himself look good. We evolved past people stating that they are villagers in early posts years ago as they are pointless statements. warpe and daven should be given as long as possible to turn up .

[jyms]

bigred lynch is also fine really because he's in the modkill pool. I just think drew is more likely wolf based on bigred being the early target.

This sounds strange coming from you. You usually spend far more time picking people apart and not defending on Day one. You know BR is a villager and are looking for town credit when he dies.

Wolf 1 is Ong

[GatorJH]

Didn't you say exactly this in the game I saved your ass and lynched Gabe and you then turned out to be wolf?

I have said it in numerous games but generally in a different context. In this one I was pointing out that the thought was wrong about me getting nommed early.

[GatorJH]

My problem with this post is it encompasses everything I would do in gator's situation as a wolf.

But I am a better wolf than you are and wouldn't be so transparent on day 1.

[GatorJH]

I almost can't remember what a villager Gator looks/talk like.

LOL - Take notes this game then and it should come back to you.

[jyms]

Gator is never a wolf here. He rage quits if he draws wolf

[wufwugy]

I may or may not do the modkills I stated. It depends on many factors. I said I would kill them to give warning so at least everybody knows before it happens. Regardless, inactives are always in danger of me killing them

Day 1 ends at 6:00PM PST Saturday, about 28 hours from now. Any bold at 6:01 or after doesn't count