Sep 2015 Werewolf - Game thread

[baudib]

Take a look at these:

Ah, let's move the thread to the commune. Only wolves would disagree.

Rilla tarping in the first post of the game. Classic.

Sup Rilla?

I'm good with it wherever. So, I guess this post is not role indicative either way.

It sure isn't, wolf.

Also classic Rilla. In your face, zero fucks to give.

If you agree that it's not role indicative, then why are you calling me a wolf???

What's your best guess as to why?

I'm liking gabe for villager already. Rilla too. I'm unconcerned with rascals posts so far.

^ Here's a wolf forced to call a villager a villager.

Rascal-Rilla easy read as V-V so far

Gabe is a wolf. Easy game.

^ I was 2 for 3 here. I figured out Gabe a couple posts later.

[baudib]

I haven't gone past post #33 of the May game yet:

lynch every single gabe

None should survive.

I said Rilla was trolling with this vote, he said he was only half-trolling.

I like when the wolves help each other out.

Sup, luco? How's wolfin goin?

You should bring back cigarette butt

Rilla splashing around, pushing literally everyone he comes into contact with. He was right on this one.

[baudib]

Rilla had 15 of the first 52 posts in that game, including kicking the game off with #WIM early in the morning.

OH I found this too:

hey it's a game.

Remember this?

Hey guys

I was serious when I saw this in the thread and I got the "OMG Rilla's a wolf!" vibe. I mean it's super thin but I think the reason it resonated was I kinda thought that Wuf's opening "hey, it's a game" was also wolfy, but didn't bother mentioning it because it seemed so thin.

Wuf ended up being a wolf of course.

MonkeyFace says something about a post I made and asked if I could make that post as a wolf, I informed him that I could. His response:

What would be the point of making that as a wolf? What drives someone to want to fake a post like that? Of all things.

For a villager, what's the sole purpose? To lead the village to hunt for the impossible? Or to just say "hey this is probably a good idea once we have some hard info"?

^ this is post #83 in the thread. I don't expect Rilla to come out spitting fire at the start of every game, but he goes from fighting with everyone in every post, and filling the page up with short, single-line posts to this, his first "substantive" post of this game:

His follow-up post where he distances himself from your villager lean on him is another one of those things that people read as very villagery.

Drop enough of those nuggets in your posts and you can buy yourself some protection from getting lynched.

I mean, is SMF's question to me really the only interesting thing that's happened in the game at this point? This is subtly casting shade on me when SMF leaning village on me.

Lively game

ShipItUp just hit the 5 post limit again.

I like a lynch around here:

SuperMonkeyFace
Wuf
Kami
Shipitup
Evene

No reasoning, no attacks on anyone, just floating the idea. hmmm?

A lot of throwaway noise in this thread.

:thumb:

I've gotta meet some new people before I can get a sense of the village composition.

And the post is a pretty straightforward observation.

^ excuse for not being actively engaged?

[baudib]

I guess Rilla liking Ship's reads list that lists him as a wolf is almost villagery.

[baudib]

OR

I am a pretty bad wolf.

Is it a concession or confession? Wolves like it when they can openly tell the truth.

[baudib]

Those were heady times, that May game. It was a really unusual thing on FTR, where the village coalesced super early and the wolves struggled to post. Gabe was talking about the game being locked up on D1, and said we had the wolves crushed on D2 even though we hadn't killed one yet.

Rilla was a huge part of that. Where's that guy this game?

[baudib]

Rilla, I'll be mad at you if you're a villager.

[OngBonga]

lynch baudib

[OngBonga]

baudib should know better than to lynch rilla on d1.

[baudib]

lynch OngBonga no u

[baudib]

Ong, I'm putting you on ignore until EOD. Do something productive in the meantime.

[OngBonga]

rilla - extremely game solvey, really likes to figure out puzzles, and is not very good at faking that enthusiasm.

Here, he looks wolfy because he's not really trying very hard. But it certainly wouldn't be the first d1 where he was a villager who didn't try hard. rilla is easier to read on later days. baudib should know this, and should also know how much of a loss rilla villager is early on.

[OngBonga]

lynch OngBonga no u

That was ridiculously predictable. The amusing thing is you actually think you're good at this game.

You just voted for your 4% wolf because I voted for you. Skills.

[baudib]

Ong, I didn't read those last two posts you made since you're on ignore. You were doing so well and now you went into stupid mode again. Get a grip.

[OngBonga]

Anyone who votes for baudib is stupid and can fuck off.

Who wants to be stupid and fuck off with me?

[Kami]

who is rilla and why r they voting me?_?

[baudib]

My guess is he wants you to die.

[Kami]

u smart ass

[baudib]

It was an earnest answer. I can't claim to know anything else about his intentions.

how do you feel about Ship now?

[baudib]

Also, do you really think Cory is a wolf or are you just messing around. Any reasons?

[baudib]

Also, Kami, tell me about how you did in the Hydra game. I'll look at it sometime later.

[baudib]

I'm watching Orphan Black. Everyone is so wolfy in it.

[Kami]

Some of his posts seem weird to me especially the panda bullshit

But I wouldn't vote him today

[Kami]

Also, Kami, tell me about how you did in the Hydra game. I'll look at it sometime later.

I basically was inactive the entire time until at the last second to lunch the seer over my wolf pal

And ship played it off like we didn't discuss it and I did it randomly when we did it on purpose

He Carried me and I was bad

[Kami]

Also, do you really think Cory is a wolf or are you just messing around. Any reasons?

He seems like he's trying so hard and his reaction to me voting him was so different from his reaction to others

Idk what to think tbh

[Kami]

Like why would u point out no one is mentioning you

It's like a wolf bragging public ally or smth lol

[Kami]

He's probably good tho and just being a fking weirdo?????

Idk

[OngBonga]

kami ask baudib why he's voting for a townread.

[Cory]

He seems like he's trying so hard

Yeah, sounds like I'm a villager

Good read bruv

[Kami]

How is trying too hard to look town town?

[Kami]

kami ask baudib why he's voting for a townread.

I don't think his vote was srs

[OngBonga]

rascal's claim is bollocks.

[Kami]

We know

[OngBonga]

rascal is experienced enough to claim vig if he's seer.

[OngBonga]

I think this is a baudib/rascal plan. rascal is tied up and is putting his neck on the block for the greater good of his team.

The "jfc not again" feels really insincere.

drew's reaction to the claim, I like. It was instant, and natural.

[OngBonga]

imo you should have just tried to survive D1 somehow else.

Yeah and a seer who understands the importance of his role should carefully consider all options.

What bugs me is that rascal had apparently been awake for nearly 24 hours at the time, which is a town explanation for his claim.

A vig claim is a million times better though. Real vig would surely consider that claim to be too stupid to be a wolf, and thus conclude it's the seer or angel. Wolves might prefer to go seer hunting and leave the claimed vig to hopefully shoot a villager. Angel might still protect the claimed vig because the claim is too stupid to be a wolf.

rascal should be claiming vig as seer, as I feel like he would have done so. But... tiredness can kill.

[Cory]

How is trying too hard to look town town?

Lolwut?

Afaict I am just trying

I'm pretty well known for being one of the highest effort villagers there is

[Cory]

Kami

I accept let's fite

44% serious

[OngBonga]

JFC not again.

oh btw, the real seer should absolutely not out here.

These two posts show a totally different mindset.

The first one implies he believes the claim. The second one implies the polar opposite. This seems very unnatural to me.

[OngBonga]

There could be more than one wolf in baudib/cory/kami, assuming rascal is a wolf. I'm certainly not dishing out any towncred to anyone who helped force a wolf's fakeclaim, considering it could be planned, especially given rascal is busy.

[Cory]

Baudib is a villager so like all of this seems irrelevant

[OngBonga]

Oh wolves have a roleblokcer, of course.

baudib might or might not be a wolf, idfk. He does really wolfy things as villager, and he does really villagery things as wolf.

rascal is always a wolf here though. A seer doesn't claim on d1 where the wolves have a roleblocker, especially a seer as smart as rascal.

lynch rascal

[Cory]

I rarely suggest lynching uncc'd roles in an open setup but that was a pretty meh claim

Let me think about it

[OngBonga]

Let's assume he's actually the seer who didn't think his claim through enough out of tiredness. The worst case scenario is a mislynch. He'll get roleblocked until he's killed. He's either effectively vanilla or a wolf who's seer hunting.

[baudib]

Seer's safe, Rascal's probably a villager. Not a pressing matter.

[OngBonga]

baudib do you think I'm a wolf?

[OngBonga]

baudib is voting for a townread of his, who he's now ignoring, because I voted for him.

I remember when I enjoyed playing with baudib.

[Cory]

Well today is the day before EOD so we should probably figure out who to lunch

Not saying just saying

Will try to get on at work when I can today but I'll be home ~5ish EST as per usual

[OngBonga]

baudib can you mod the next one please?

[OngBonga]

We should lynch the outed wolf.

[Cory]

Ong I don't think baudib's vote on you is serious bub

Not sure why you are so rattled, he's probably just trolling you

Don't let your jimmies get rustled you are doing God's work friendo

[OngBonga]

It doesn't matter if it's serious. It's a habit of his, and a very bad one at that. You dare to vote for me? You must be stupid. All the time while flooding the thread with crap. I'm tired of baudib. He provides nothing but noise until later days. I can do that too, I'm capable of noise, but I don't relentlessly assume those who think I'm wolfy are stupid, because I understand they are either lying, or they don't know my alignment and are trying to figure it out. To be wrong isn't to be stupid.

If baudib thinks he's obvtown and that those who think he *might* be a wolf here are stupid, he must have a much lower opinion of his wolf game than I do.

[GatorJH]

rilla - extremely game solvey, really likes to figure out puzzles, and is not very good at faking that enthusiasm.

Here, he looks wolfy because he's not really trying very hard. But it certainly wouldn't be the first d1 where he was a villager who didn't try hard. rilla is easier to read on later days. baudib should know this, and should also know how much of a loss rilla villager is early on.

Ong, you have your glasses on wrong again. There are a ton of good players in this game. Why would baudib worry about rilla on day 1 as opposed to Gabe or myself or Hoopy or a cast of others? Your logic here makes way less sense than his does. He is trying and you are just attacking.

[GatorJH]

These two posts show a totally different mindset.

The first one implies he believes the claim. The second one implies the polar opposite. This seems very unnatural to me.

I read this as the first one being upset over a d1 claim, not the claim itself.

JFC I am defending baudib too much.

[OngBonga]

Ong, you have your glasses on wrong again. There are a ton of good players in this game. Why would baudib worry about rilla on day 1 as opposed to Gabe or myself or Hoopy or a cast of others? Your logic here makes way less sense than his does. He is trying and you are just attacking.

rilla is potentially vulnerable. It's not difficult to present him as wolfy to the regs, because this is typical for d1 rilla wolf. It's also not difficult to get votes from those who don't realise how good he is.

gabe isn't vulnerable, and you were but aren't now.

Look, do I actually think that baudib is a wolf who is trying to mislynch the great rilla? No, it's something that occured to me that I felt needed highlighting. Lynching rilla on d1 is a big deal, and it's something baudib seems to be doing lightly. Should I ignore this through fear of antagonising baudib?

[OngBonga]

I read this as the first one being upset over a d1 claim, not the claim itself.

Well from what I've picked up itt, it refers to a recent offsite game with baudib rascal and kami in which kami forced rascal's claim as seer.

[GatorJH]

Let's assume he's actually the seer who didn't think his claim through enough out of tiredness. The worst case scenario is a mislynch. He'll get roleblocked until he's killed. He's either effectively vanilla or a wolf who's seer hunting.

or he is a regular villager taking the block so the seer can wolf hunt. If rascal is as smart as you say he could have made that play as well don't you think?

[OngBonga]

rascal is not SDM.

I often think about fakeclaiming a special when I'm vanilla getting wagonned, but I always realise it's a worse idea than just accepting lynch. What if the wagon diverts to the actual seer? What if the seer counterclaims too early thinking he has a wolf? Why draw an angel save onto a vanilla? What if the seer makes a mistake? These questions, a good villager will ask himself before making a dumb claim.

It's way too early for vanilla FPS. I don't think he's ever vanilla in this spot.

[Cory]

I've always hated the "we can't lynch player x even if they are doing what they do as a wolf because they are a strong or easy-to-read player" even if I have a habit of falling for it relatively often. Here's something that happens to me a great deal: there's a player who I read very, very well as a villager and can typically clear them by the end of D1. They are mostly inactive, but make some posts talking about how busy they are IRL or w/e and I decide "well, I should be able to read them well later, it's not worth pushing super hard bc maybe RL is making it hard for them to play and THAT'S why I don't already know their alignment even though I usually do by now" and push someone else just long enough for them to never get seriously wagoned. Someone else is lynched, villager or wolf. I get NKed. That player, of course, is a wolf.

One thing I've been trying to improve on is to not let myself get suckered into shit like this, and I agree with Gator in general that there are more than a few "good" players in this game and putting someone's villager game on a pedestal to overcome behavior from them that is typically ~wolfy is probably a mistake. But I doubt Rilla is going deep as a wolf so I'm not incredibly concerned.

AFAICT you should lynch the people acting like wolves

[OngBonga]

AFAICT you should lynch the people acting like wolves

Well imo the single wolfiest thing so far is a seer claim on d1 where wolves have a roleblocker. That's much more likely to be a wolf than a seer.

[GatorJH]

rilla is potentially vulnerable. It's not difficult to present him as wolfy to the regs, because this is typical for d1 rilla wolf. It's also not difficult to get votes from those who don't realise how good he is.

gabe isn't vulnerable, and you were but aren't now.

Look, do I actually think that baudib is a wolf who is trying to mislynch the great rilla? No, it's something that occured to me that I felt needed highlighting. Lynching rilla on d1 is a big deal, and it's something baudib seems to be doing lightly. Should I ignore this through fear of antagonising baudib?

After doing as much research as he did you certainly can't accuse him of "doing it lightly".

[GatorJH]

Well imo the single wolfiest thing so far is a seer claim on d1 where wolves have a roleblocker. That's much more likely to be a wolf than a seer.

Conceptually I agree with this, however there are a ton of variables to think of and quite a few lead me to believe that lynching him is not the BEST play here.

[OngBonga]

After doing as much research as he did you certainly can't accuse him of "doing it lightly".

I don't think the case on rilla is solid enough to lynch him this early, that's what I mean by "lightly". I think rilla is wolfy, but this could also be villager rilla who is failing to engage effectively with all the noise going on. I've no problem with baudib casing rilla, I have a problem with him being happy to lynch him on d1 without taking into account the impact it will have on town if it's a mislynch.

[OngBonga]

Conceptually I agree with this, however there are a ton of variables to think of and quite a few lead me to believe that lynching him is not the BEST play here.

I'm of the opinion that the tailor and roleblocker mean we should hit a wolf when we have him. I'm 99% sure rascal is a wolf, the 1% accounts for the possibility of him derping through his lack of sleep.

[GatorJH]

I don't think the case on rilla is solid enough to lynch him this early, that's what I mean by "lightly". I think rilla is wolfy, but this could also be villager rilla who is failing to engage effectively with all the noise going on. I've no problem with baudib casing rilla, I have a problem with him being happy to lynch him on d1 without taking into account the impact it will have on town if it's a mislynch.

If Baudib believes he is a wolf then he should want to lynch him, but enough about that.

Who do you want to lynch?

[OngBonga]

I want to lynch rascal. I thought that was clear.

[GatorJH]

I'm of the opinion that the tailor and roleblocker mean we should hit a wolf when we have him. I'm 99% sure rascal is a wolf, the 1% accounts for the possibility of him derping through his lack of sleep.

That is actually a very good point.

[GatorJH]

The counter though is that I think at least one of the wolves should have told him that it was too early in the day to hard claim, especially if he was one of the specials.

[GatorJH]

I want to lynch rascal. I thought that was clear.

I actually meant other than him. Sorry for not being clear about that.

[GatorJH]

Is there a way to ISO someone on a phone?

[OngBonga]

I actually meant other than him. Sorry for not being clear about that.

Oh, well I dunno. I'm now blinded by the idea that rascal is confirmed wolf, so I'm looking at his claim and making assumptions based on rascal=wolf. I didn't like drew before the claim, but I do now. kami looks good assuming rascal is a wolf, but looks bad if he's not.

This is why I want rascal dealt with quickly. He's either a useless seer that provides a huge distraction, or a wolf that provides a huge distraction. Killing him quickly clears things up quickly. We can't wait until there's no counterclaim to believe him, and the wolves will be in no hurry to kill someone they can roleblock. Given that he could be the tailor, it just seems like the optimal play. If he's seer, he shouldn't have claimed seer.

[OngBonga]

Claiming vanilla is the only move a seer can make, even under pressure, while the wolf RB is alive. Even a vig claim won't cut it because the wolves will still probably RB the claim.

I'd say lynching a seer claim is safer than lynching a vanilla claim.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Where is this seer claim?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

No, I said there was a chance you were town, same as everyone else. The difference with you is that you're trying to lynch the seer.

Oh is this it?

If so, this seems hardly like a hard claim and more likely cover for me..

[Cory]

Yes, I know she was and she may be again, but I don't have time to deal with her crap this game.

I hate to do this, but HARD CLAIM SEER

In normal circumstances, this wouldn't be the best play, but I don't know if I'll be back before EOD tomorrow and when I asked for a sub I got no response.

Yes, I know it's hard to believe I randed cop/seer again, but it is what it is.

Monkey ^