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    Default Russians vs. Americans: A Werewolf Game for October 2015

    Mod note: This game features many new players to FTR and I've massacred long-standing traditions here, so reading this part will be important.

    BASIC WW RULES: You are expected to read your role pm and play to your win condition.
    You are expected to post on a daily basis. If you go an entire game day without posting at least 1 time, you will be automatically subbed (if a sub is available). If you are unable to meet these requirements, send me a pm and I will find a sub or make some other arrangement.


    IMPORTANT RULES: Do not edit posts. Do not post after Night or before Day. Do not talk about the game outside the game thread or wolf chat. Do not discuss mod communications. Players should play and mods should mod. We will do our utmost to not modkill anyone. The mods have the right to give warnings or issue punishments if these rules are broken.



    Werewolf is an antagonistic game and arguments are part of the game. Please try to keep it civil and keep it fun.


    VOTING: To vote for a lynch, type in bold "lynch Player XXX." If you wish to cancel your vote, type "rescind" in bold. You do not need to "rescind" if you simply vote for another player.


    Note on self-voting: Self-voting will result in instant majority lynch and End of Day.


    Ties in lynch: This is new: Traditionally ties at FTR are broken by the nominee who reaches the final vote total first. In this game we will break ties by randomizing (by the forum post number). Because this is a poker forum and variance is fun!


    ITAs: This game will be feature an ITA session. ITAs are "In-Thread Attacks." On D2, there will be 2 1-hour windows in which you are allowed to shoot at other players in the game, with a 15% chance of killing your target. More rules will be explained at the EOD D1/SOD D2.
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    Americans: 16 of you are villagers. 12 of you are vanillagers. Your vote and your ITA shots are your weapons. You win by eliminating all wolves.


    Healer: You are a villager who holds the power of life and death in your hands. On any game day you are alive, you may choose to heal a poisoned player. You may only use this power once per day. Your decision may be made at any time before that game day's deadline.


    Polonium Poisoner: Each night, you may poison a player of your choice. If not healed, that player will die at the end of the next day.

    Backup Poisoner: If the village poisoner dies before start of Day 3, you will take his or her job.


    Spymaster: You are a villager who can learn the role or alignment of a player each night. On even numbered nights, you may look up the alignment (village, wolf) of a player of your choice. On odd numbered nights, you can learn the role (vanilla, poisoner, backup, seer, etc.) of a player of your choice.

    On night 0, you will receive a randomized villager peek.



    Russians: 5 of you are wolves in this game. 2 of you are vanilla wolves. Your vote and your ITA shots are your weapons, plus, you know, you're wolves! You have access to a QuickTopic thread for communications with other wolves and deciding your night actions. You win by reaching parity with the village, or when the village is mechanically unable to prevent parity. Each night you may night kill ("nom") one player of your choice. The night kill is a factional action which cannot be stopped (there are no angels in this game) as long as there is one wolf alive.


    Spymaster: You are a wolf who specializes in intelligence gathering, deception and subterfuge. Every night starting n1, you may peek a player of your choice and learn his or her role.

    Polonium Poisoner: Each night, you may poison a player of your choice. If not healed, that player will die at the end of the next day.

    Backup Poisoner: You are a backup to the wolf poisoner. If you are still alive when he or she dies, you will be able to assume full poisoner powers.



    Claiming: You may claim your role or character, but please be careful and do not quote any part of your role pm that discusses your character. Wolves will be given safe claims (names not in the game)

    Order of night actions: All night actions occur simultaneously. That is, if a poisoner is killed during the night, his action will still be processed.

    IT IS NIGHT DO NOT POST
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    Live Player list:
    a500lbgorilla

    aubreymcfate
    BankItDrew
    Beck Novo
    Bigred
    BooG690
    Dsaxton
    Gabe
    Hifi
    JKDS
    Kami
    lilrascal

    Luco
    MadMojoMonkey
    NightGizmo
    OngBonga

    ShipItUp
    SuperMonkeyFace
    TheBrokenATM
    TopTierTom
    Wufwugy

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    Miscellaneous notes:

    Wolf actions may be proxied.
    Length of day will generally be 48 hours, but there will be some tweaking based on my schedule. Night will be 24 hours and the thread will be locked.
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    OK the wolves have had about a 15-hour head start on the "getting know you" phase/team solidarity etc., so **** this, let's have a pro-villa early start and extra long Day 1.

    Day 1 ends 10 p.m. Tuesday EST.

    IT IS DAY YOU MAY POST
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    Oh hot shit I was actually first!

    Unfortunately I'm a villager because baudib refused to rig the rand to make me woofbros with dsaxton. I'm a sad panda.

    But I'm ready to own this thing anyway.

    Get rekt, wilves
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    I've played with a bunch of people in this game before, but BATM is the only one I've played with recently so everyone but him will start with a clean slate from me.

    Everyone, that is, except dsax. He and I have known each other for years irl and he agreed to play this game as a personal favor to me, so ideally I'd like to see him live for a while since I have no idea if I'll ever be able to talk him into playing another game with me again. Clearly I won't be taking him off the table indefinitely, as doing so would be objectively terrible, but he is going to get a d1 pass from me unless he does something really egregious. Even then I might not campaign for his death until d2.
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    I heard there's a game of werewolf being played here
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    I hereby state that when I refer to monkey, it's supermonkeyface, while madmojomonkey is mojo.

    Just clearing that up now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    I've played with a bunch of people in this game before, but BATM is the only one I've played with recently so everyone but him will start with a clean slate from me.

    Everyone, that is, except dsax. He and I have known each other for years irl and he agreed to play this game as a personal favor to me, so ideally I'd like to see him live for a while since I have no idea if I'll ever be able to talk him into playing another game with me again. Clearly I won't be taking him off the table indefinitely, as doing so would be objectively terrible, but he is going to get a d1 pass from me unless he does something really egregious. Even then I might not campaign for his death until d2.
    Did you recruit dsax to play with you in this game or is he a regular here

    Is he new to WW or experienced

    I could probably look this up but I'm lazy and standing in a subway station
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    dsax isn't a reg here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    dsax isn't a reg here.
    K tell me about the personalities of the regulars from FTR

    Specifically who are dependable villagers who tend to be correct, who are good wolves who tend to be sneaky, and who are simply bad or trollish and tend to make good backup lynches
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    I have some thoughts on the poisoning/healing mechanics in this game which might be wildly unpopular but I'm going to get them out there anyway.

    The village has a poisoner and a healer, but the wolves only have a poisoner. The village poisoner is super super important because they effectively double our killing power and therefore they need to live as long as possible. The backup poisoner is still vital, but less so because they're only really useful if the first poisoner dies early. The wolf poisoner doubles the wolves killing power too, but they don't have to worry as much about their poisoner dying since their backup will kick in at any point that the original poisoner dies. I still strongly suspect that the wolves will try their hardest to protect their poisoners, possibly to the extent of having them bus vanilla wolves while the seer is still alive (which would still be pretty lol but it might happen).

    so every morning we are going to wake up with 2 poisoned players. If we wake up with only 1 poisoned player, either the village poisoner targeted the wolves nk (village poisoner: try hard not to do this) or both teams poisoned the same player. When/if this happens, the lone poisoned player WILL ALWAYS BE A VILLAGER AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE HEALED NO MATTER WHAT. That's pretty obvious but the rest of the poisoning/healing mechanics will take place on the margins.

    So when we wake up with 2 poisoned players, what should the healer do? There are a couple different schools of thought here.

    The first and usually most popular thing to do is to have everyone discuss who should be healed. This can be good because it allows strong villagers to have input and direct a healer who might be unsure. But it opens the door to a lot of problems because then wolves will have a say in who gets healed as well and it gives them a chance to advocate for the healing of a teammate should one of them happen to be poisoned. It also allows the wolves a chance to play perfectly by only targeting players which they know won't be consensus village healing picks.

    Therefore, I am of the opinion that we should all shut the hell up and let the healer decide for themselves who should live and who should die. This guarantees that the decision of who to heal will be made by a villager 100% of the time and it will force the wolves to target players who might be mislynch candidates anyway and the village therefore loses less by them dying because the wolves will have to pull more mislynch candidates out of their hairy asses if they want a shot at winning.

    Hope that made sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    Did you recruit dsax to play with you in this game or is he a regular here

    Is he new to WW or experienced

    I could probably look this up but I'm lazy and standing in a subway station
    I recruited him. As far as I know he has played exactly once before in his life.
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    wow dsaxton welcome back to you too

    im not sure who did all the recruiting but very cool

    the poisoner stuff is a pretty cool way for us to force people to say what they think
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    I probably won't be able to spam this thread to the extent that I usually do on my home forum, but rest assured that when I do post I'm going to go HARD IN THE PAINT and make every word worth it.

    Me posting 150+ times a day is still possible but quite unlikely.
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    Is seer cover a thing here? I'm not going to leave peeks if no one else will.
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    Having a wolf poisoner with full backup seems almost broken to me but I suck at balancing so whatever
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    Also I will not be speaking to dsax until he gets an avatar. He's lazy as hell so I've decided to make some suggestions for him to help expedite the process.

    This beautiful Fibonacci spiral staircase:



    This genius who definitely didn't kill himself:



    And of course this, which needs no explanation:



    any of these would be fine but I would prefer the staircase
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    K tell me about the personalities of the regulars from FTR

    Specifically who are dependable villagers who tend to be correct, who are good wolves who tend to be sneaky, and who are simply bad or trollish...
    I would say the most dependable villagers are rilla and gabe (and gator, who is sub). rilla has been bang on form last few games. Best wolves, gabe and gator. Bad villagers, just bigred really, although on the rare occasion he puts the effort in he's good.

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    ...and tend to make good backup lynches
    A backup lynch? You mean like an easy target when it's Chinese Fire Drill time after a late claim? People like drew and boog tend to get wagonned often on d1, but noone tends to have a specific tag of "backup lynch". I'm not even sure I like that you're thinking like this tbh.
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    I like hifi so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    Is seer cover a thing here? I'm not going to leave peeks if no one else will.
    This is more a baudib thing. Some of the players he's brought along do this. Most regs don't tend to.
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    dsaxton is a reg?
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    We are not going to have any Chinese fire drills this game.

    In in a game like this one with long days we lose so much information if the wagons flip at the last minute.

    It should never be necessary if villagers put in real effort and make reads, which everyone will be expected to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    This is more a baudib thing. Some of the players he's brought along do this. Most regs don't tend to.
    Ok then I will submit to the culture of this board and not leave peeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    dsaxton is a reg?
    He is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I like hifi so far.
    Sup bro?
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    I actually already have a wolf read.

    But it's a secret.

    Shhhhhhhh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    ...which everyone will be expected to do.
    *except bigred
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    lynch rilla

    Its a virtual no brainer
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    Finally a rocky IV themed ww

    DRAGOOOOO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    Ok then I will submit to the culture of this board and not leave peeks.
    The luco went and left a peek.

    Fuck it, seems like a solid strat where there's no angel.

    n0 hifi v
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    Luco can be a villager for the time being.

    No wolf would ever be so weird as to vote a player who hasn't posted yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The luco went and left a peek.

    Fuck it, seems like a solid strat where there's no angel.

    n0 hifi v
    ok then

    if I'm seer my peek hasn't posted yet
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    The luco went and left a peek.

    Fuck it, seems like a solid strat where there's no angel.

    n0 hifi v
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    Luco can be a villager for the time being.

    No wolf would ever be so weird as to vote a player who hasn't posted yet.
    You never seen revenge / joke / troll vote openers before?
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    Sup botches
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    hifi
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    *eats bamboo*
    *checks role pm*
    *sees village rand*
    *continues to eat bamboo*
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I would say the most dependable villagers are rilla and gabe (and gator, who is sub). rilla has been bang on form last few games. Best wolves, gabe and gator. Bad villagers, just bigred really, although on the rare occasion he puts the effort in he's good.



    A backup lynch? You mean like an easy target when it's Chinese Fire Drill time after a late claim? People like drew and boog tend to get wagonned often on d1, but noone tends to have a specific tag of "backup lynch". I'm not even sure I like that you're thinking like this tbh.
    I didn't expect a serious response for some reason, so thanks.

    Usually with a player list I'm familiar with I can look at it, and even without seeing the rand, will know the ~6 players who are lynch candidates and the 3 or 4 that will never be lynchable unless peeked wolf. But asking that directly is probably... going to get people upset with me too easily, they'll think it's wolf behavior, yada yada. I think of games in probabilities sometimes, and was interested in your take... also good to know who I should deem as a reliable source of information.

    You seem reasonable at any rate. How do you rate yourself in this lineup as a villager and as a wolf?
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    how the fuck is self voting illegal again
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    bugrud

    you know he's not going to do shit
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    if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt
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    Kami failing already.

    She is at the top of my SHATS list for tomorrow unless she explains her vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt
    Nobody make posts like this please. If you say you don't care if you are lynched, it helps the wolves POE the power roles.
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    Wuf looks mildly villagery for saying it, nevertheless.
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    top tier Tom

    seems overly concerned with meta he isn't aware of and kind of disengaged

    super thin but it'll work for now
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    top tier Tom

    seems overly concerned with meta he isn't aware of and kind of disengaged

    super thin but it'll work for now
    How can I be both questioning a regular about meta and disengaged
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    That's like me saying "HiFi is just talking about mechanics; ldo obv woof"

    Even with the admission that it's a thin read I am disappoint

    Post #37 is nonsense btw, wolves do weird stuff all the time
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    Do you hear me

    Nonsense
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    Maybe I just suck but I'd be trying to actively interact with players I don't know to establish baseline reads instead of asking other people what I should think
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    I don't feel great about kami or ship but I don't think they can both be wolves. They'd be really excited to wolf together and they don't seem to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    Maybe I just suck but I'd be trying to actively interact with players I don't know to establish baseline reads instead of asking other people what I should think
    I don't see you doing that

    Why are you giving me a hard time when the game has just started and I'm curious to see what people will post

    I've done the "this is how we should all the play the game thing" in the past on new sites but I've found it just makes people defensive and more likely to fuck up

    When in Rome, etc.
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    my vote is on a wolf thats ym explination glgl hifi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kami View Post
    my vote is on a wolf thats ym explination glgl hifi
    Are you generally a net negative for your team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    I don't see you doing that

    Why are you giving me a hard time when the game has just started and I'm curious to see what people will post

    I've done the "this is how we should all the play the game thing" in the past on new sites but I've found it just makes people defensive and more likely to fuck up

    When in Rome, etc.
    I'm not trying to give you a hard time at all. Like I said it was super thin and lol d1 page 1 reads so it's obviously subject to change.

    Im just saying what I think I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kami View Post
    my vote is on a wolf thats ym explination glgl hifi
    My his post is terrible and you should feel terrible for making it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    Are you generally a net negative for your team?
    I would think she is but I haven't checked the database. Will do that now.
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    Checked the database and kami has won a long game as a villager exactly once. But she rands wolf a lot and mostly plays turbos so there's a legit shot that she just doesn't know what she's doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    Checked the database and kami has won a long game as a villager exactly once. But she rands wolf a lot and mostly plays turbos so there's a legit shot that she just doesn't know what she's doing.
    Hooray
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    You seem reasonable at any rate. How do you rate yourself in this lineup as a villager and as a wolf?
    I used to be a solid villager but last few games it seems I've forgotten how to hunt wolves. I blame baudib. As for wolf, I have good games and bad games. I don't tend to shine all villager when I'm wolf. I do when I'm villager.

    Anyway I found a wolf.

    lynch kami

    Votes for hifi after he gets village cred. I swear she was doing that last game... voting for people who she didn't like to see being towned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kami View Post
    my vote is on a wolf thats ym explination glgl hifi
    Stuff like this. How on earth can she be so confident already? This feels feigned to me.
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    Lynch Kami

    I don't see anyone scummier so far
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I used to be a solid villager but last few games it seems I've forgotten how to hunt wolves. I blame baudib. As for wolf, I have good games and bad games. I don't tend to shine all villager when I'm wolf. I do when I'm villager.

    Anyway I found a wolf.

    lynch kami

    Votes for hifi after he gets village cred. I swear she was doing that last game... voting for people who she didn't like to see being towned.
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Stuff like this. How on earth can she be so confident already? This feels feigned to me.
    I didn't see these posts before I submitted my vote, but... Kami is almost certainly feigning / being spazzy for fun, she doesn't mean it, she's not serious, she's ~never serious AFAICT from the small sample size of her play that I've seen and what people have told me, and I think we wouldn't lose anything if she was to be voted out of the game

    Whether that is "great" play or not, I don't know. If we see something else that's considerably wolfier we can go with that, but she's a good de facto lynch for being a haphazard villager
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    OngBonga, what is your past experience with Kami exactly
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    I modded last game and she was a wolf. I think previous game or maybe two she was villager. Other than that, she's new, so my read on her isn't mega confident or anything. But it's as good as I've got right now.
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    Works for me. I was gonna call your vote wolfy for a moment there but I feel better
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    I'm feeling better about you too. Let's hug.
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    kami

    great spot. she did do this last game, voting for the person who should be the last person you'd vote for. also she's frozen, like baudstradamus said.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I like hifi so far.
    That wall of text doesn't seem to come to all the wrong conclusions to you?

    I mean, he talks like there's any other way to find wolves than by their involvement in the thread. He's all, "but if the wolves direct the kills, then that's bad news!" as if that's the end-game - as if they haven't left that trail in the thread. (I agree that wolves directing kills is bad news, but I don't think it's any different than a lynch vote.)

    He's all, "This poisoner role is mega powerful, but don't nobody talk about it," when we could have a conf. V (or near enough) on any given day, and that V's influence, at least by his own reasoning, would be silenced.

    His tone seems completely misplaced, too. Like he's addressing a bunch of new players who need advice to think about mechanics... but maybe 1 person in this game has less than a dozen games played.


    IDK... it's villagery in a level 1 kind of way. However, on every implication, I find it wolfy. Furthermore, talking mechanics is easy cover to sound involved when you're not actually. It's too early with no meta to jump on it, but I don't like it and HiFi has moved himself on the W side of neutral in my estimation.
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    My his post is terrible and you should feel terrible for making it.
    Please end this abusive badgering right here and now.

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