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  1. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I used to be a solid villager but last few games it seems I've forgotten how to hunt wolves. I blame baudib. As for wolf, I have good games and bad games. I don't tend to shine all villager when I'm wolf. I do when I'm villager.

    Anyway I found a wolf.

    lynch kami

    Votes for hifi after he gets village cred. I swear she was doing that last game... voting for people who she didn't like to see being towned.
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    That wall of text doesn't seem to come to all the wrong conclusions to you?

    I mean, he talks like there's any other way to find wolves than by their involvement in the thread. He's all, "but if the wolves direct the kills, then that's bad news!" as if that's the end-game - as if they haven't left that trail in the thread. (I agree that wolves directing kills is bad news, but I don't think it's any different than a lynch vote.)

    He's all, "This poisoner role is mega powerful, but don't nobody talk about it," when we could have a conf. V (or near enough) on any given day, and that V's influence, at least by his own reasoning, would be silenced.

    His tone seems completely misplaced, too. Like he's addressing a bunch of new players who need advice to think about mechanics... but maybe 1 person in this game has less than a dozen games played.


    IDK... it's villagery in a level 1 kind of way. However, on every implication, I find it wolfy. Furthermore, talking mechanics is easy cover to sound involved when you're not actually. It's too early with no meta to jump on it, but I don't like it and HiFi has moved himself on the W side of neutral in my estimation.
    My take is "content neutral; effort villagery side of neutral"
  2. #77
    mojowolf's first post wouldn't be a wall disagreeing with me. I like mojo already. This is gonna be easy.

    As for hifi, I guess I felt his entrance was a little too excitable for a wolf at a new forum. I feel like the setup spec is null, it could be a wolf hiding behind easy talk, or it could be a new player settling in. But it was the level of activity before anyone else really got stuck in. That's what gave me villager vibes.
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  3. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    My take is "content neutral; effort villagery side of neutral"
    Yeah, pretty much this.
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    ongies gonna ong
  4. #79
    Without having done any research myself, my understanding of HiFi's meta is that she is capable of high volume as any role, and has been known to spam as a wolf to avoid being lynched

    This is not me throwing shade at her, but me stating that clearing her for volume alone is likely foolish

    It's why I have her effort as villagery side of neutral instead of outright villagery
  5. #80
    hifi is a she? This must be a record for ladies in a ww game here! I count three and a half.
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    ongies gonna ong
  6. #81
    I see that we started early and we already have votes and I don't have my spreadsheet setup yet.
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  7. #82
    BTW, I think I already found a wolf.
    I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up.
  8. #83
    I think Luco is wolfy so far.

    Anyone else care to look at his posts and see if what jumps out at me jumps out at you too?
    I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up.
  9. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    Are you generally a net negative for your team?
    Wow rude
  10. #85
    Hey Kami.
    I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up.
  11. #86
    Yeah I'm okay dying here since I'm busy anyways hf guys
  12. #87
    Also hifi the werewolf date base means nothing because two plus two isn't my home forum and that one game I won was the champion ship game because it's why I joined the forum lol

    So yeah fuck you
  13. #88
    Kami, any thoughts on this game?
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  14. #89
    Naw hf
  15. #90
    Ok, good talk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    I see that we started early and we already have votes and I don't have my spreadsheet setup yet.
    Same.

    I'm not rushing up my sheet. If I don't have time on campus, I'll do it tomorrow when I get home.


    BTW early D1 meta-reads:
    ong is likely V
    gabe is likely V
    wuf, too, but his meta changed a couple games back... I'm still getting acquainted with the new wuf.

    tom is likely V (but no meta makes it hard to be as strong a read)

    Unsure about Kami, as I have yet to see her post any content in the two FTR games she's played. Seems like obv lynch bait, but that is NOT village cred.

    HiFi slight W lean.

    Luco - :/ seems on the wolfy side of different... but I feel like I'm sticking my foot in my mouth.
    Ship and his bamboo-munching still null.

    Others have not yet left an impression

    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    I think Luco is wolfy so far.

    Anyone else care to look at his posts and see if what jumps out at me jumps out at you too?
    I got a vague sense of apprehension about his seer claim, if that is to what you're referring.
  17. #92
    MMM, I pretty much agree with your early reads on Ong and Wuf.

    I'm familiar with HiFi but can't remember much about his play style so I can't help you there.

    Tom is good in either role.

    I'll hold details on my wolf read on Luco for now to see if anyone else sees it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kami View Post
    So yeah fuck you
    Seriously, cut this out. There is absolutely no need to get personal during a friendly game.

    Keep it witty and keep it in good fun.
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    Think my mechanics post got misinterpreted a bit.

    What I meant to say is that we shouldn't direct the healer's action. Directing the poisoner is obv fine and probably GTO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HiFi View Post
    Think my mechanics post got misinterpreted a bit.

    What I meant to say is that we shouldn't direct the healer's action. Directing the poisoner is obv fine and probably GTO.
    Oops, there's a typo in my critique. It's obv. you're talking about the healer and not the poisoner.

    I still disagree with your conclusions.
  22. #97
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I used to be a solid villager but last few games it seems I've forgotten how to hunt wolves. I blame baudib. As for wolf, I have good games and bad games. I don't tend to shine all villager when I'm wolf. I do when I'm villager.

    Anyway I found a wolf.

    lynch kami

    Votes for hifi after he gets village cred. I swear she was doing that last game... voting for people who she didn't like to see being towned.
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    MMM, I pretty much agree with your early reads on Ong and Wuf.

    I'm familiar with HiFi but can't remember much about his play style so I can't help you there.

    Tom is good in either role.

    I'll hold details on my wolf read on Luco for now to see if anyone else sees it.
    I am a villager, FYI

    I'm pleasantly surprised by the thought some players are showing so far, I don't mean to be rude but my expectations weren't high because lolbaudib
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Oops, there's a typo in my critique. It's obv. you're talking about the healer and not the poisoner.

    I still disagree with your conclusions.
    Understood
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    I want to vote kami and I think I might after I read what develops overnight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    I'm pleasantly surprised by the thought some players are showing so far


    Welcome to FTR. We're a pretty tight-knit group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kami View Post
    Also hifi the werewolf date base means nothing because two plus two isn't my home forum and that one game I won was the champion ship game because it's why I joined the forum lol
    Wait, wait, wait. I responded to your "fuck you," but I didn't let this sink in.

    You won the championship game? As in: you were chosen to represent your home forum in the championships, in which you won?

    Am I reading you correctly?

    If so: What was the selection process like?

    ***
    I mean, I think lilrascal was representing FTR in the recent championship, but it was after he'd only played in 1 or 2 games on our forum. It was just that none of the our regs had time their schedule.

    In retrospect, it was a fine choice, and lilrascal is def. one of our regs and a quality player.
  27. #102
    I don't understand Kami's attitude either, if that helps at all

    It sucks to be in a position where I want to remove her from the game just to make the game more tolerable, and wouldn't be surprised regardless of what she flipped
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    I don't understand Kami's attitude either, if that helps at all

    It sucks to be in a position where I want to remove her from the game just to make the game more tolerable, and wouldn't be surprised regardless of what she flipped
    I blew up baudib's mind-brain for as much in the Varchertine's game. It was a mistake.

    I'm just trying to establish how it is that my read of Kami is that she's perfectly content-free and correlate that to her winning a championship game.

    I feel similar about bigred. I mean, he's not much help at solving most games. If he posts a few lolcats or gifs in any game day, then his activity is par. The thing is, while his content is the pits, he usually gets a hearty belly laugh out of me if he's active enough to post. (His, "You mean I got one?" U wot m8 post was epic. ) So, while I totally agree with wuf's assessment that bigred probably wont contribute, I still don't want to vote him on D1. Certainly not before he's even posted. Too much lol equity.


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    What's up with gabe saying "welcome back" to dsax, but HiFi saying it's dsax 2nd game ever?
  29. #104
    I'm not sure what you're saying. You don't want to lynch her because... she could provide entertainment value?
  30. #105
    Alright, so a few initial thoughts after having skimmed through the last page.

    HiFi is my top villager read. Her tone feels genuine and as of right now she feels game solvy.

    I liked lilrascal and Mojo. Again just at first glance so I'll go back and do my best to substantiate these gut feelings.

    Kami is interesting. I've seen her play like this as villager more than I've ever seen her play like this as a wolf. She's even fake-claimed Seer before with a w peek on the actual Seer. As a wolf then it made our lives a whole lot easier, but it was detrimental to the village. So my point here is that she can enact sabotage, but it isn't a scum tell. So I guess my point here is maybe we should just leave her be. Or have our Poisoner take a shot at her. Either way the vote feels too easy, like, she's an easy vote for a wolf to make. And that's her fault, not anybody else's, but right now I'm of the mindset that she's >>rand Vanillager. Her attitude sucks but I can't see a wolf entering the thread and voting for an early consensus v read. Feel free to disagree with me.

    Tom I'm unsure of. In the last game (and only other game) I played with him he was a wolf and he played confidently and even did his fair share of trolling. I don't see that here so far. It could be because he was wolfing with Cory then and isn't now :P or because a lot of the players here he isn't as familiar with. But either way I'm getting a more genuine feeling from him. And I knew he was a wolf then (but didn't have the ability to convince anyone else of this, so shame on me), so I would like to think that I could read him similarly now. But he's a talented player ldo so I'm a bit more hesitant as of right now.

    Everyone else I don't yet have a read on just cause I haven't seen anything that really stands out.
  31. #106
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    bugrud

    you know he's not going to do shit
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    if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt
    places a vote because "he isn't going to do shit" but then admits to likely not being of much use this game himself

    any other reads wuf? someone other than Kami
  32. #107
    lynch wuf

    not impressed so far

    your initial vote against a player that hasn't posted (using reasoning that's also poor) is just as lame as Kami's vote, and even more so if yours was a joke, which I think it was
  33. #108
    i think i got the vote thing correct if by lemme know and ill fix it

    night
  34. #109
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    wow dsaxton welcome back to you too

    im not sure who did all the recruiting but very cool

    the poisoner stuff is a pretty cool way for us to force people to say what they think
    Would like to see more from you.
  35. #110
    Quote Originally Posted by Beck Novo View Post
    lynch wuf

    not impressed so far

    your initial vote against a player that hasn't posted (using reasoning that's also poor) is just as lame as Kami's vote, and even more so if yours was a joke, which I think it was
    i always try to kill bigred. he loses games for the village. he's a smart guy, but he just doesn't play. he signs up, maybe posts a couple times early on, but he vanishes and doesn't keep up. especially given the size of this game, you could probably bet him $100 dollars that he won't read more than half the posts, where he would win that money from you if he did, and he still wouldn't do it. the last game he played in, he posted like once or twice. the last game he got to the end in, he didn't know what was going on and yet a pivotal decision relied on him. i have a wealth of history of going after the endgame liability players, as well as a wealth of history of not posting much of what i think on d1.

    come to think of it, we should keep bigred alive since gator will sub in for him.

    as for kami, ong's read is spot on. this is very like what she did last game. if she's a wolf, it's almost "bad" for us in the sense that since it's so early and we wouldn't get much information out of her death. regardless, the read is strong.
  36. #111
    I've noticed a few people are voting by just bolding names without including "lynch" before it -- is that legit? It's been a couple of years since I played....
  37. #112
    Quote Originally Posted by Beck Novo View Post
    lynch wuf

    not impressed so far

    your initial vote against a player that hasn't posted (using reasoning that's also poor) is just as lame as Kami's vote, and even more so if yours was a joke, which I think it was
    I assume by your post count that you haven't played WW with wuf before. Without a good read, wuf isn't a good day 1 lynch. He throws a ton of content and analysis into the thread, and tends to push confrontations between many different players, all of which is very useful as the game progresses.
  38. #113
    Unfortunately, since I haven't played in so long, I'm working off very old reads (for those that I recognize) or completely blind (for all the players I don't know), so this is interesting for me. Two years ago, I probably would have have a default player in mind until a better option appeared later in the day. But now I don't even know who that default player would be.

    But frankly, Kami already seems like that better option. If she's just going to spew nonsense all game until she gets killed, I don't see much value to the village in keeping her around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Please end this abusive badgering right here and now.
    I'm on mmm's side here as far as analyzing hifi's wall of text at the beginning of the game. I read it twice, once for mechanics and once for tone. The mechanics make sense afaict but the tone leaned wolfy.

    I agree kami doesn't look good voting for someone for no apparent reason but to be fair, luco did the same thing with rilla and I think it was just for the lolz.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    I think Luco is wolfy so far.

    Anyone else care to look at his posts and see if what jumps out at me jumps out at you too?
    I did and no I don't. It looks like random, lame, garbled, hip hop to me.
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    lynch bigred

    I'll change my vote if he posts something with solid content. Pretty sure this is 100% fair, no?

    If someone active posts a whole bunch of shit that is all just fluff - they'll get the boot. Not because it's all fluff but because there is no quality to it. Well, I haven't seen any quality from bigred in 4 years so fuck that guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightGizmo View Post
    I've noticed a few people are voting by just bolding names without including "lynch" before it -- is that legit? It's been a couple of years since I played....
    Yeah it's legal.

    I prefer to bold the word 'lynch' and I also rescind when changing my vote, which I don't think it necessary.
  43. #118
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    I think Luco is wolfy so far.

    Anyone else care to look at his posts and see if what jumps out at me jumps out at you too?
    Im getting deja vu here
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    Bigred votes are a cop out er go wolfy

    Theres all these new souls to read so why swing for the dead weight so early?
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    Because it's dead weight.

    Bigred has yet to give me a reason this game to not vote for him.

    I'm all ears.
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    Kami is quickly earning the title 'bigred 2.0'

    I'd be willing to change my vote into that direction if given enough of a reason.

    I'M LOOKING AT YOU, BIGRED
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    If Bigred doesn't show up, he gets replaced by Gator. Voting for an absent player on day 1 with available subs is a bad idea -- the absent player is much more likely to be a regular villager imo.

    I don't see anything wolfy about Luco's first posts.
  48. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I agree kami doesn't look good voting for someone for no apparent reason but to be fair, luco did the same thing with rilla and I think it was just for the lolz.
    lynch Kami

    Kami doesn't look good because she already has a bunch of posts and they are garbage. I just glanced at random pages of the last game (pages 5 and 6) and it seems like Kami's main involvement with this game was the same then -- random accusations and statements with zero evidence or reasoning, plus lots of unnecessary insulting. Granted, last game she was a wolf. But if she's a villager, does she really provide any benefit to the village?
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    Yeah fair enough re: gator being subbed in as a replacement.

    rescind
    lynch kami


    Gator is usually a solid player (although hasn't been top notch as of late). Still, would be a dramatic improvement of bigred any day of the week.

    Also, ong is a wolf. This is 100% a tone read.
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    Night gizmo's logic is sound and tone is good but I haven't played with him for a while.

    Mmm and wuf are villagery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Tier Tom View Post
    I don't understand Kami's attitude either, if that helps at all

    It sucks to be in a position where I want to remove her from the game just to make the game more tolerable, and wouldn't be surprised regardless of what she flipped
    Lynch Top Tier Tom

    Whats not to understand about her attitude? You and Hifi called her terrible and a liability, what...you expected her to sing you praises? I feel like you're just buddying MMM here, and your "wouldnt be surprised regardless of flip" quote sounds a lot like a wolf prematurely apologizing.
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    Also, lets not rush to day 2. Sure, we get to shoot peoples, but Id rather we lynch someone for being wolfy than for being whatever it is you guys are up in arms about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightGizmo View Post
    lynch Kami

    Kami doesn't look good because she already has a bunch of posts and they are garbage. I just glanced at random pages of the last game (pages 5 and 6) and it seems like Kami's main involvement with this game was the same then -- random accusations and statements with zero evidence or reasoning, plus lots of unnecessary insulting. Granted, last game she was a wolf. But if she's a villager, does she really provide any benefit to the village?
    The way this is worded is pinging me.

    You've bolded her but haven't directly called her wolfy, just alluded to it. And that last sentence just smells like giving yourself an out for later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Also, lets not rush to day 2. Sure, we get to shoot peoples, but Id rather we lynch someone for being wolfy than for being whatever it is you guys are up in arms about.
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    on page 1 (100 ppp) at first i was thinking hifi was active and villagery. i didnt like hifi's vote on tom because i thought tom posting those questions was much more likely to be pure

    kami's first two posts are very weak but she probably wouldnt do that as a wolf after just dying as a wolf last game

    then kami gets kinda ratchet and i think it would be hard for her to do as a wolf. i know it would be hard for most of us to do that... hmm


    girls have different werewolf brains
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beck Novo View Post
    lynch wuf

    not impressed so far

    your initial vote against a player that hasn't posted (using reasoning that's also poor) is just as lame as Kami's vote, and even more so if yours was a joke, which I think it was
    i think your logic is valid and well stated (including your previous posts) but i disagree with it

    wuf's reasoning for bigred is pretty legit but i'm not voting for either of them



    also- N0: Top Tier Tom v
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    Kami's trying to self-lynch clear herself without self-lynching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    The way this is worded is pinging me.

    You've bolded her but haven't directly called her wolfy, just alluded to it. And that last sentence just smells like giving yourself an out for later.
    Luco looking good.
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    so should the village poisoner try to poison the same person the wolves will poison? obv a longshot to hit it but what do we lose? with 2 poisoned people tomorrow we gain should gain a ton of info, then save one

    now is a good time since the healer will probably be alive tomorrow


    yea?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    so should the village poisoner try to poison the same person the wolves will poison? obv a longshot to hit it but what do we lose? with 2 poisoned people tomorrow we gain should gain a ton of info, then save one

    now is a good time since the healer will probably be alive tomorrow


    yea?
    This is so awful I'm going to give you a v lean for it

    We aren't trying to poison villagers
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    What's up with gabe saying "welcome back" to dsax, but HiFi saying it's dsax 2nd game ever?
    there was a time before werewolf... i think

    lol btw @ "Am I reading your correctly?"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    This is so awful I'm going to give you a v lean for it

    We aren't trying to poison villagers
    the village polonium man has to soul read his poison bro

    i assume the healer acts in secret (doesnt post in thread)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    the village polonium man has to soul read his poison bro

    i assume the healer acts in secret (doesnt post in thread)
    Or we use the polonium man to give us an extra shot at a wolf each day
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    As in, the hive mind directs the poisoner
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    the village polonium man has to soul read his poison bro
    How do you figure this is even possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    As in, the hive mind directs the poisoner
    i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target

    i think the village should poison someone who the wolves might also want dead. like maybe the wolves agree luco seems villagery, but the village poisoner is suspicious, but also recognizes the wolves might think luco was a strong village lean


    even if that seems stupid, its not like poison is wasted. the point would be to kill wolves
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    Lynch wolves. lynch wuf
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    but if the hive mind makes a GTO poison-based solution (if we get stuck) then that would make sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    i dont like the idea of the poisoner target being public. this costs us all the EV of when both sides poison the same target

    i think the village should poison someone who the wolves might also want dead. like maybe the wolves agree luco seems villagery, but the village poisoner is suspicious, but also recognizes the wolves might think luco was a strong village lean


    even if that seems stupid, its not like poison is wasted. the point would be to kill wolves
    Well even without going public I think the village poisoner should be aiming for wolfiest players first and foremost. There should be some good action from it because the wolves shouldn't be poisoning the most villagery players either
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Lynch wolves. lynch wuf
    Why?
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    I suspect wuf to be a wolf. He lays out slank cover for his play moving forward and in the one post where he actually spent some time working through the thread, he essentially said nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I suspect wuf to be a wolf. He lays out slank cover for his play moving forward and in the one post where he actually spent some time working through the thread, he essentially said nothing.
    But he laid the same slank cover last game, as a villager. Something different this time?
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    Ok so I just checked and actually he laid slank cover in the signup thread, not in-game. I think that changes my point slightly
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    This is wuf's slank cover post this game

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    if you need a cfd (as fucking stupid as those are), you can kill me. i won't be of much use this game since classes are kicking my butt
    Rilla, thoughts on the underlined?
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    Tone reading me as lock wolf? Votes for bigred and kami.
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