The Matrix Werewolf - Game Thread

[MadMojoMonkey]

{boog, Hoopy, SMF}

philly is so pure.

boog, SMF most wolfy. Hoopy bussing it up yesterday. If I'm wrong on anyone, it's hoopy, but that means that either philly or Gator is playing the wolf game that FTR both needed and deserved.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I'm always voting mmm today

Everyone at some point has thought he's a wolf. Amirite? Can we kill him now?

I'll entertain you. Who are my wolf buddies, then?

Time to troll, my fellow ape.

[GatorJH]

So here is the thing with Hoopy, he has posted just enough to not cause suspicion but he hasn't really said much. I am up through page 6 and his posts that include any sort of meaningful content can be counted on one hand. And then there is this. He posts this lynch list:

This is my list of people who I'd consider voting today.

BankItDrew
gabe
JKDS
OngBonga
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

But then follows with this just over 3 hours and 5 total posts later....

Not feeling a JKDS lynch right now.

I'd be happy lynching SMF or gabe today.

Since gabe already has a vote lynch gabe

This just seems so staged.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Hoopy is also a wolf

[philly and the phanatics]

Im glad wuf turned out v, that saves us a huge headache today. I wish we had kept rilla because he was less on my radar. I dont think my list changes much from yesterday as my top 2 suspects are still alive. I just searched to see if Boog had ever mentioned SMF and he has not spoken to him or mentioned him once other than 1 time yesterday in post 673. This seems like classic distancing to me. Also SMF half assedly bolded boog on day 1 with little to back it up. He only mentions boog in 2 posts, 266 and 180...seems like a weak attempt at early bussing on his part.

also nobody bold yet, as a hasty bold could be our demise, lets get some good discussion going and make sure everyone has to contribute.

[MadMojoMonkey]

SMF says MMM and Hoopy are wolves, and implies there is exactly 1 wolf in {boog, Gator, philly}

@SMF: What are your reads on the 3?

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Philly says boog and SMF are wolves, and implies there is exactly 1 wolf in {Gator, Hoopy, MMM}

@philly: What are your reads on the 3?

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@gator: What do you think of Hoopy on D2?

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@wuf: What do you want to do today?

[BooG690]

{boog, Hoopy, SMF}

philly is so pure.

boog, SMF most wolfy. Hoopy bussing it up yesterday. If I'm wrong on anyone, it's hoopy, but that means that either philly or Gator is playing the wolf game that FTR both needed and deserved.

How do you clear philly here?

You've given philly the free pass since D1. D1 your reasoning was that he was a new player. Now he's so pure even though there've been good arguments against that (his fencing, his lack of saying anything substantial).

I don't like you taking the lead here. Philly made it to endgame with your help.

I'm probably only lynching philly today. Re-reading atm. On page 4.

[BooG690]

Through page 7. Unsure how anyone is cleared at this stage. Hoopy and SMF have barely said a damn thing. Gator posts but is scared to hard push anyone. Philly's posts are a lot of nothing. MMM is the only one that reads as a villager.

I ask again, MMM, how'd you go about clearing people? What was your logic here?

[philly and the phanatics]

@mmm i think its not beyond the realm of possibilities that you are a wolf, especially with your coy "the wolf that FTR deserves" line, could be some closet gloating. Also, i cannot seem to pinpoint the turning point in your Boog perspective. You started out with him firmly in the V camp, and seemingly confirmed it in post 691 yet when browsing back through, i did not see where you officially switched your stance. It seems to have happened on the day that you, yourself, said that "wolves will probably begin bussing today" which kind of pinged me. You and SMF could easily be bussing. SMF hasnt had much history in this game so there is not much to call him out on other than easy target things, and SMF hasnt had a ton of pertinent posts regarding your play either. I could definitely see it being forced poo slinging (monkey pun!)

However, i still think that hoopy's logic about the CFD from day 1 regarding you adds up and matches your logical and villagery tone. Also boog has seemingly cleared you most of the way, and i doubt that he is clearing one wolf and totally avoiding the other. I still give you a villager lean.

gator- it wouldnt be the most shocking thing for him to turn up w, but hes probably my lead v right now. JKDS was a firm believer. Also i think he would have been an obvious nom candidate, but because wuf seemed to want to go after him towards the end of d2, itd make sense to leave him around to lure wuf into a trap.

hoopy- i tend to agree with my lead villager's read on hoopy not really contributing while being present the whole time. I dont have a ton to tie him to smf or boog. I had initially cleared him for his statement at the end of day 1 where he sticks his neck out for no reason, but the more i think about it, the more it could be a gaff by someone trying to look like they are contributing without actually saying much. Also at that point i figured it was wolfy because he would be defending a possible wolfwugy, but now that we know wuf isnt a wolf, it makes sense that he is feigning a tough decision to maintain the appearance of his participation while simultaneously fist pumping that a villager dies regardless. As of right now id put him as the third banana, but I like him least out of the other 2 wolves because i dont really see much of a connection unless their strategy was literally just "lets all stay away from eachother totally, aside from some weak smf bussing".

[BooG690]

{boog, Hoopy, SMF}

philly is so pure.

boog, SMF most wolfy. Hoopy bussing it up yesterday. If I'm wrong on anyone, it's hoopy, but that means that either philly or Gator is playing the wolf game that FTR both needed and deserved.

Done with page 7. MMM, you had me pretty high up on your villager list. What changed?

[BooG690]

Note that philly speaks directly to MMM but about hoopy and gator in the third-person.

[philly and the phanatics]

because i was responding to a question by mmm...grasping at straws much boog? I think its funny that your plan to totally rail road the easy target the whole game is starting to unravel and thats the best you can do.

[BooG690]

Random notes I took on Notepad:
Philly defending Gator here early on D1:

BID thinks that gator's "derail" of the boog momentum is wolfy, while baudib thinks it contributes to gator being villagery. In my opinion i tihnk that it leans towards villagery, given that one second he is defending BID, and then he defends the person who is "attacking" BID.

MMM defending Philly early in the game:

@ong:
I agree on Philly. My first impression is villager knees, but on reread, I fall back to neutral.

I'm not convinced on gabe as a wolf. wuf makes a good point at the suddenness of the decision, but not enough for me to go against my own read at this time.

More MMM giving Philly a free pass:

I feel a nagging sense of empathy with philly's approach to this game.

His first couple of posts were dropping reads. Then he seems to have realized that he really needed context for the players, whom were obviously interacting with a ton of history. Then he dives into the USA vs USSR game and his head is out of this thread for a while. Now... he's trickling back into action here.

I just feel like this is a sensible and competent progression of an intelligent person with limited time. It could be a distraction, it feels like the noob-wolf winning tactic in spades at the same time. Thing is, the noob-wolf has to pull it off the entire game, and philly has to face a deadline that expires well before then.

@mmm

There's nobody that I'm super pumped about. I feel like BID Is all over the place but I'm sticking with my guns that he wouldn't open the game like that as a wolf

I'm not overly excited for an ong lynch but I think it's important we get some clarity on this situation and he's on the jkds wagon and two of the best players think he's a wolf

I have no idea what's going on with gabe, like I said he looked wolfier in the initial exchange and now he's gone hyper trans.

given the nature of the jkds wagon I think it's likely he's a villager and there's a wolf out of those voting for him that jumped on after gators bold...wuf bid and ong.

Also its strange to me that baudib was like "lol we are totes lynching jkds" but then doesn't bold him. It's possible he is a wolf trying to perpetuate a wagon without getting his hands dirty on any voting charts, but could also be him setting a trap to see who bites on the wagon

To me those are the two most noteworthy events so far, this ong and gabe exchange and the jkds wagon that was up to four votes relatively quickly

Forgive me if any of those three bolded jkds before gator I'm in the car with my girlfriend heading to atlanta and she's not stoked at the time I took to make this post lol so I can't verify

Finally considering that you said smf was quite talented I haven't seen anything from him really

I just want to leave this here to show what philly's posts have been the entire game.

I'm more inclined to lynch SMF among the top suspects as of now. (His soft push on me is only a small factor in this.)

I'm reading boog, Gator, and Hoopy as near lock V so far. Philly is still exactly neutral.

wolfy:
a500lbgorilla
JKDS
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

JKDS has me in a difficult spot. My wolf list makes no sense, given that JKDS has the other 3 as his wolf list. JKDS bussing both of his wolf buddies on early D2 doesn't fit the mold. My wolf list is not good.

@JKDS: Which of your reads are your strongest right now? Which have you a bit uncertain?

If no one is joining me on wuf, then I think rilla and SMF are the top choices. I prefer rilla.

lynch rilla

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@boog, gator, hoopy: Are you clearing rilla as a V?
He hasn't convinced me of one aspect of this game that I've been missing.

MMM gets a lot wolfier on page 7. He gets started by attacking both Wuf and Rilla. He's still neutral on philly. On the other hand, Hoopy looks more villagery on page 7.

{ Philly, SMF, MMM } every time.

[philly and the phanatics]

if its me smf and mmm, whats the point in showing me defending gator?

Also i will concede that post was all over the place but that was still day 1, I am gaining confidence in my reads and my ability to piece together different angles.

[BooG690]

because i was responding to a question by mmm...grasping at straws much boog? I think its funny that your plan to totally rail road the easy target the whole game is starting to unravel and thats the best you can do.

Did you just call yourself the easy target? lol

[philly and the phanatics]

yea, i am the easy target...i have played about 5 games of werewolf and they all happened 5 years ago. You jumped on my initial insecurities and have been pushing them since.

[philly and the phanatics]

so boog, care to explain your lack of interaction with SMF? Even after i call you out, you still refuse to address his existence. Only now hes in your "every time" list. 12 pages in you finally say "hoopy and smf havent said a damn thing" and now hes one of your lock wolves? I have seen swiss cheese with less holes than your logic.

[BooG690]

if its me smf and mmm, whats the point in showing me defending gator?

Also i will concede that post was all over the place but that was still day 1, I am gaining confidence in my reads and my ability to piece together different angles.

It went chronologically. I wanted to chronicle posts of yours that got my attention. By the end of it, I just started to post posts I found wolfy altogether. MMM and yourself stand out. I wish I could say SMF stood out but he didn't post much. A lurker we let slip by.

[BooG690]

so boog, care to explain your lack of interaction with SMF? Even after i call you out, you still refuse to address his existence. Only now hes in your "every time" list. 12 pages in you finally say "hoopy and smf havent said a damn thing" and now hes one of your lock wolves? I have seen swiss cheese with less holes than your logic.

It's hard to respond to or address nothing.

[BooG690]

yea, i am the easy target...i have played about 5 games of werewolf and they all happened 5 years ago. You jumped on my initial insecurities and have been pushing them since.

You can't be serious with this pity party. How can you call yourself the easy target when you haven't been on the chopping block ONCE. When everyone blew off the idea of lynching you because you're a noob? The only person that agreed with me the ENTIRE game was BID. Easy target my ass.

[philly and the phanatics]

i am asking you to address how smf went from someone you have not mentioned once all game to someone who is a lock wolf...the fact that you are deflecting that and calling it "nothing" is not helping your cause.

[BooG690]

i am asking you to address how smf went from someone you have not mentioned once all game to someone who is a lock wolf...the fact that you are deflecting that and calling it "nothing" is not helping your cause.

Hoopy looks villagery. Gator looks more villagery than the lurker. A crazy process I like to call elimination. We started using it during those five years you missed.

Anyway, I'm going to sleep.

[philly and the phanatics]

and im the one who posts crap??...you're lucky you have larry david in a cape as your avatar

[Hoopy]

what? naaaaaaaaaw.

surprised rilla was villager since he and i were on the exact same page the entire game.

naw i pegged him for lock v after his lucid explanation for why i wasnt a wolf. it was the only thing that i thought to myself that differentiated my v and w games. gj rilla.

game is winnable now imo

wuf being confirmed villager is huge, he was easily the biggest mislynch possibility today until that.

Lets solve this thing.

[Hoopy]

Everyone at some point has thought he's a wolf. Amirite? Can we kill him now?

This could easily apply to you.

{boog, Hoopy, SMF}

philly is so pure.

boog, SMF most wolfy. Hoopy bussing it up yesterday. If I'm wrong on anyone, it's hoopy, but that means that either philly or Gator is playing the wolf game that FTR both needed and deserved.

When you say philly is pure can you give me an example?

[Hoopy]

However, i still think that hoopy's logic about the CFD from day 1 regarding you adds up and matches your logical and villagery tone.

That logic was dependent on JKDS flipping wolf. Since he was village it doesn't hold anymore.

[GatorJH]

I have a pretty busy day at the office, but am planning on spending a shit ton of time on this tonight. At this moment I would rank everyone as follows from most wolfiest to most villagery

SMF
Hoopy
Boog
philly
mmm
Gator/Wuf

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Gabe is dead n1. Gabe wanted mmm dead. Coincidence?

Has anyone looked into night kills to see if it were a PR hunt or if it was for that reason ^°

[Hoopy]

So here is the thing with Hoopy, he has posted just enough to not cause suspicion but he hasn't really said much. I am up through page 6 and his posts that include any sort of meaningful content can be counted on one hand. And then there is this. He posts this lynch list:



But then follows with this just over 3 hours and 5 total posts later....



This just seems so staged.

Those posts follow each other fine.

[Hoopy]

Im gonna talk slower.

I'm a villager. Wolves know I'm a villager.
Assume gator is a wolf.
Jkds gets to a lot of votes. Everyone hates jkds.
Gator decides, hey, you know what, let's rescind and post about how I don't think jkds is wolfy.

What.

In what universe does gator go so massively against the grain here as a wolf?

Is he fps-ing because lol gator always does that as a wolf (no he doesnt)

Or is the assumption that he's a wold fail...and he must therefore be a villager? Does villager gator ever reconsider his reads and go against the grain? YES

Giving this much more weight now. I'm not totally clearing Gator because of how good a wolf he is, but today he's way down my suspect list.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Philly's posts individually read neutral to V. They never read neutral to W.

Philly's posts taken as a whole - as in go to page one and scan enough of the game to refresh where it is, and stop and focus on philly's posts - They are tone pure. They follow a consistent theme; they have a consistent perspective. The perspective is understanding.

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Boog was cleared based on one post and I was under the assumption, as were many, that the JKDS move at EOD1 was a villagery thing to do, since both the lead wagons were conf. V. Now that we know that even the third wagon on D1 was a V, then there's nothing villagery about pushing JKDS at EOD1.*

Since that was a faulty premise for my villager read on boog, I had to reconsider him in the wolfy pile.
Upon reread (same as philly... quick scan the thread and do a semi-ISO on him), boog is constantly instigating suspicion and casting shade.

*Hoopy came to the same conclusion when he recanted his read that I was V. If he's a wolf, which I suspect, then he intentionally pocketed me with that post which I cited earlier, knowing that he would be free and clear to take it back if JKDS died. This is what has me less confident about my read on Hoopy. If JKDS and I stay alive, then he can't really change his stance on me.

I want anyone's thoughts on Hoopy re. this situation.

[Hoopy]

Hoopy is also a wolf

OK so you're solid on MMM and me being wolves. For arguments sake who do you think is the third one?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

One constant that remains in this game is whenever I've called or suggested someone a wolf (hoopy and mmm) their reply has always been; "well what do you think of xx or yy" or who's my partner then.

Reads even more wolfy

[BooG690]

One constant that remains in this game is whenever I've called or suggested someone a wolf (hoopy and mmm) their reply has always been; "well what do you think of xx or yy" or who's my partner then.

Reads even more wolfy

Just answer the question.

[Hoopy]

Rereading the thread.

Crappy time to start a game, but whatevs.

I agree with Ong on Drew. That would either be a very balsy play as a wolf (with the double post) or an epic mistake if the first post was a play that went wrong.

I really can't see a wolf making this post. Not sure why the post at all, but it would be legit horrible if he did this as a wolf.

I like that Gator came out and hard defended BID at the start of the game with no hedge.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I don't think I've ever answered any pressure towards me with "well who's my partner(s)" or "what about 'irrelevant to question' ".

Maybe as a wolf in order to deflect.. Which is feels like mmm is doing. But never as a villager. There's many other responses a villager would actually make to that

I don't think mmm is ever a villager here

This is what I jotted down during n2 (I think n2?)


Mmm wolfy as hell pg 1. Gabe calls him out #95. He was night killed

Hoopy #622 suspicious strong villager reads.

Like gators hoopy mq #628

And not much has changed afaict

[GatorJH]

You don't get it do you. This isn't just about finding a wolf today anymore. Village needs to hit wolf the next three days to win so this is about each of us creating a map of who we think the three wolves are and validating if that map makes sense. You just don't want to do that for some reason and I can't figure out why unless you are a wolf.

I don't think I've ever answered any pressure towards me with "well who's my partner(s)" or "what about 'irrelevant to question' ".

Maybe as a wolf in order to deflect.. Which is feels like mmm is doing. But never as a villager. There's many other responses a villager would actually make to that

I don't think mmm is ever a villager here

This is what I jotted down during n2 (I think n2?)


Mmm wolfy as hell pg 1. Gabe calls him out #95. He was night killed

Hoopy #622 suspicious strong villager reads.

Like gators hoopy mq #628

And not much has changed afaict

[SuperMonkeyFace]

1 wolf at a time my friend. The rest become easier once we reveal one. I'm not gonna call two other ppl lock wolves if the first one is still uncertain.

I'm just trying to find one. And I think it's mmm. And next game day, I'll try and find one. And so on.. I guest I don't have your skill set of finding 3 a day

[GatorJH]

I agree that things may change once we nab the first wolf, but the pool is small enough that if you can't find three (or at least two because one could be pretty well hidden) that can somewhat map together how do you know the one you have is a wolf?

We aren't saying all votes are locked in for the next three days but if you look at mmm and through PoE find out that it is highly unlikely for him to be a wolf with player A, Player B and Player C then you have a good idea of who his buddies may be. It is with that eye that I would like you to take a look at and see if it still makes sense.

In other words, just looking at mmm in a vacuum may not be the best idea at this point.

1 wolf at a time my friend. The rest become easier once we reveal one. I'm not gonna call two other ppl lock wolves if the first one is still uncertain.

I'm just trying to find one. And I think it's mmm. And next game day, I'll try and find one. And so on.. I guest I don't have your skill set of finding 3 a day

[wufwugy]

i still think that BID turns up vanilla a ton here like i said on page one. The only special i can see him being is the innocent child. And i rarely see him as a wolf taking this line, although (im saying this a lot -__-) this is my first time playing with him and he could be on that level, just unlikely.

does philly know there's an innocent child in this game?

Just re read...this is where im at so far....also does the Russia America ww ever get readable?

Villager (trans?)
baudib
Bid
Gabe
gator

Wolf
Boog

Everyone else neutral. I would love to see more actual discussion from hoopy rather than one liners here and there, but if my memory serves correctly he has always kinda played this way.

Whatcha got big hoop?

calls boog his one wolf. he doesn't follow up on it by bolding boog at any close point.

@mmm I agree with the low probability of both being wolves i just find it hard to imagine both being villagers here

yet still not voting for anybody

Wolfier than Ong?

throwing shade. does it whole game.

Hey look, guys. Philly is still fencing.

lots to say about philly wolfing. hasnt yet bolded him

Gabe and Ong are the new Baud and Ong. Gabe is coming off as less wolf and more trans with every post. I still hate the idea of him being so flaming about it though.

Anywho, rescind gabe, lynch philly

Philly's shitty explanation with regard to his fencing sold me. If anyone's conviction needs to be examined thoroughly, it's his.

finally bolds philly

@mmm

There's nobody that I'm super pumped about. I feel like BID Is all over the place but I'm sticking with my guns that he wouldn't open the game like that as a wolf

I'm not overly excited for an ong lynch but I think it's important we get some clarity on this situation and he's on the jkds wagon and two of the best players think he's a wolf

I have no idea what's going on with gabe, like I said he looked wolfier in the initial exchange and now he's gone hyper trans.

given the nature of the jkds wagon I think it's likely he's a villager and there's a wolf out of those voting for him that jumped on after gators bold...wuf bid and ong.

Also its strange to me that baudib was like "lol we are totes lynching jkds" but then doesn't bold him. It's possible he is a wolf trying to perpetuate a wagon without getting his hands dirty on any voting charts, but could also be him setting a trap to see who bites on the wagon

To me those are the two most noteworthy events so far, this ong and gabe exchange and the jkds wagon that was up to four votes relatively quickly

Forgive me if any of those three bolded jkds before gator I'm in the car with my girlfriend heading to atlanta and she's not stoked at the time I took to make this post lol so I can't verify

Finally considering that you said smf was quite talented I haven't seen anything from him really

inconsistent reads with what he thought before. why forgetting boog after saying he's #1 wolf? why forgetting saying one of ong/gabe is wolf?

I'm not gonna be around to vote at EOD. I'm unhappy with my vote planted on Philly if people refuse to vote him because he's new. I'm not voting for Ong or Gabe today. JKDS is still a thing right? Lynch JKDS but for really this time. I'm not too unhappy about this.

I'll "use the bathroom" at dinner and try my best to be around but not 100% sure.

leaves philly. not sure why. philly was his main wolf read. his jkds read seems non-existent

Meh I prob won't be back by 8 lynch wuf ..the jkds wagon hit four really fast it was just that gator rescinded. You seem least villagery of the three pilers

out of the fucking blue. still never said mum about boog even though he was his main wolf pick. his bold of me is early in my wagon. his explanation for the bold assumes that jkds is a villager.

I feel like we have a wolf in JKDS/gabe, this Ong wagon doesn't look good to me.

philly & BooG are probably gone until EOD, we need MMM to vote for someone not just leave his vote hanging.

hmmm, hold for later. thinks jkds/gabe is v/w. also thinks ong wagon doesnt look good

Shit I don't know if a wuf lynch is better.

wuf lynch isnt better than ong? hoopy just before said that he thinks ong wagon is bad.

Both Ong & wuf were on my short list. 40mins before EOD I didn't really like the Ong wagon much but was already on the gabe wagon which was in 2nd. I didn't think it was possible to get another wagon going so close to deadline on thanksgiving.

I missed the last 40mins of the day.

hhwwhaaat? ong was on hoopy's short list? so why did hoopy say he didnt like the ong lynch?

unless he meant we were on villager short list. weird way of putting it. but i thought that i was on every wolf list hoopy had presented up to that point?

sooooo i guess i'll go back and check

After that flurry of posts from Ong and gabe I doubt they're both wolves. Based on how long they've been arguing and the speed of their replies.

I feel like we have a wolf in JKDS/gabe, this Ong wagon doesn't look good to me.

philly & BooG are probably gone until EOD, we need MMM to vote for someone not just leave his vote hanging.

hmmm so he must really think there's a wolf in gabe

This is my list of people who I'd consider voting today.

BankItDrew
gabe
JKDS
OngBonga
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

well here's his previous short list. so it's a short list of wolves, which means that hoopy completely contradicted himself when after ong was lynched he said me and ong were on his short list yet he also said before the lynch that he didnt like an ong lynch.

Not feeling a JKDS lynch right now.

I'd be happy lynching SMF or gabe today.

Since gabe already has a vote lynch gabe

so he wasnt feeling a jkds lynch at taht time, but then later but before eod he said he thinks there's a wolf between gabe and jkds.

MMM - His posts read very honest to me. I haven't seen anything that looks wolfy or off. Best way I can express it is he seems to want to figure stuff out.

philly - Him not realizing the game isn't over if we miss today is villagery imo. Wolves usually know exactly what the state of play is, could be faking. But I empathize with his confusion so far.

boog - dude is challenging people on lots of stuff.

calls boog dude. also called philly dude earlier.

Mojo puts JKDS on 2 votes here, he switched from Ong who is confirmed villager. Ong led here with 4 votes with the voting being very tight.

He calls for a CFD on JKDS with 35mins left, JKDS was suspect throughout the day and the CFD could easily have been a runaway.

No way both JKDS and him are wolves together. We know now that gabe/ong were villagers, there is no benefit for the wolves to do this at EOD.

if he thinks there is one wolf in gabe/jkds like he prevoiusly said, why did he never follow up and bold jkds?

Thing is we're already in the midgame. Tomorrow will be lynch or lose if today doesn't net a wolf.

You need to step it up dude.

lynch SuperMonkeyFace

and he starts his smf boldings. as if nothing previous had happened.

holiday weekends gonna holiday weekend...i'm here now, and besides an imminent nap i should be here most of the night as i will be watching my noles slay gator's gators. Got any predictions GatorJH? If i put the over/under on Dalvin rushing yards at 125 are you really taking the under there?

I digress.

@gator, the reason for me barking up the boog tree is simple, he acted wolfy right off the bat by going after an easy target (someone spazzy that turned out to be a villager) and once he realized that he was going to get some heat for it, he snap reneged. He is continually pushing for my lynch (another easy target and another villager) because i fenced? Ong ( a villager) pointed out a couple of instances of inconsistencies in his tone as well. The majority of the village has cleared him as a villager, so i will relax for the time being and stop being so myopic.

On the other hand boog brings up a great point about a potential Hoopy slip.



This was made right at the buzzer, with a chance for him to save Ong. If Hoopy does come up a wolf, i would be fairly certain that wuf is as well.





He claims wolves know exactly what the state of play is, and then boom he knew exactly what the state of play was. This is somewhat weak by itself, but coupled with the potential wuf slip, the sitting back and just asking questions like "rilla what do you think?" while not really contributing all day 1, makes me think we may have a wolf.

Now that at least 2 of the wagoners on the JKDS train have come up villager, I think that its safe to take him out of my lock villager pile. His logic regarding mmm seems sound to me and i have mmm as one of my villager leans, but this observation is not indicative of alignment

SMF has still not contributed a lick. Reminds me of Flomo when he was a wolf who just hung around not posting shit and just "oh hey guys, my bad, here's a meaningless bold"

As for wuf, i kind of agree with rilla, it would be tough for him to be campaigning the way he would on day 1, but if Hoopy flips W, i think that condemns wuf.

Rilla
As of now

Villager lean-
mmm
gator

neutral
jkds
wuf
rilla
smf

wolf
hoopy
Boog

I also think its weird that all 3 of the votes have been cast for at least a few hours and nobody has jumped on. This makes me hopeful that one of the people bolded is a wolf.

makes case for hoopy. iirc never follows up. also to note the case implicates me if hoopy goes w.

hoopy and boog in his two main wolf spots. boog has been his main wolf pick all game, but he never bolded him and bolded me instead.

actually the more i think about it, its somewhat unlikely that Hoopy would even comment and damn himself like that at the EOD, it was already clear Bongo was going down, theres no reason to stick your head out and draw any attention to yourself as a wolf.

I think SMF's bolding of boog with next to no attention on Boog (aside from my crowing) is extremely lazy. He has gone out of his way not to get any attention by not posting, and now he has gone out of his way to avoid attention by casting a meaningless vote on someone who is not even being discussed as a potential day 1 lynch by anyone else (again aside from me)

immediately starts backing away from boog and hoopy being wolves

Ong lacked conviction in his tone. You lack conviction in your CONTENT. There's a huge difference there and this wall of nonsense you posted is a great example. Here, you say you feel Hoopy is a wolf. And then you write this TWO minutes later. It's impossible for anyone to know who you think is a wolf with this lack of consistency. So, please, don't compare your inconsistencies to the inconsistencies that got Ong lynched. Inconsistency in tone and inconsistency in content are two totally different things with the latter being a ton more wolfy. Also, it's a transparent wolf defense to compare yourself to a dead villager. Step your wolf game up.

I'm ready to lynch you. Lynch Philly

boog following through

Out of self preservation lynch jkds

philly was only at vote count of 1. he did say stuff about thinking jkds is wolfy earlier, but still can't bold one of the players he put on his formal wolf lists. especially boog, who was on it every time.

Hey look, guys. Wuf and Philly posting closely together (in time) for the same easy lynch.

except boog thought jkds was wolfy earlier and later finishes jkds off with me and others. his rationale for that final bold was weak, as we'll come to. what's also weird is that boog's later switch to jkds put him on the same wagon as philly was on.

Hey guys boog and wolf have the same amount of letters....the second letter of both words is also 'o'...I'm still waiting for you to make any points of merit

dude cant bold the one guy he has all over his wolf lists

MMM why does that post clear boozh? If a wolf knows that both are about to come up villager, and its clear that one of them are going to die without you getting your hands bloody, its easy to start hedging. I know his vote was already placed on me, but that was clearly going nowhere as well which could be seen as a cop out, this way he at least keeps up the illumination of being involved....am i tinfoiling too hard right now?

calls boog boozh. never asked in game thread about the weird spelling. maybe was told in wolf den.

makes more points about how boog is wolfy, still not bolding him, even mitigates his own claims by saying "am i tinfoiling hard right now?"

Yup I agree with this.

thinks jkds is wolfy. never bolds him at any later point.

At the moment I'm thinking the wolf team is this.

{JKDS, SuperMonkeyFace, ?}

The ? could be quite a few people as things stand.

JKDS flipping wolf would clear MMM and wuf imo, though I want to just check MMM's last few posts to be confident on that.

SMF is wolfier than JKDS and I feel like there's been resistance on his wagon most of the game. Having said that he doesn't really give us much of a trail to follow if he flips villager.

good reasons to vote jkds instead of smf. maybe he just didnt want his name on a vjkds death.

plus by hoopy's d1 logic of there being one wolf between such n such, jkds shoudl be his #1 wolf pick by far.

Its interesting that JKDS and SMF are avoiding each other.

I feel fine about lynching either of them today.

interesting? it wasnt even notable

I'll be out for the next 4-5 hours but will be here for the EOD.

as we'll find out, he barely does much when he returns for eod. even after knowing about his late show on d1 eod.

JKDS/Wuf are (W/V) / (V/W) 85% of the time here, right?

Lynch JKDS

what fun. the guy boog's main wolf pick in philly earlier bolded for the "easy lynch" is now boog's bold. what fun.

Wuf's conspiracy closely matches one I had on D1. Five minutes after Wuf voted JKDS to give him the wagon lead:

I like my JKDS vote even more now.

i remember not liking this when he first posted it, but i was happy to get help killilng jkds.

it's a case for gator being wolf if jkds flips wolf, not a case for jkds being wolf.

Could be quite a few people, if JKDS flips wolf I'm happy to clear MMM immediately. Probably lean to it being Gator just because of his wolf prowess .

wait, what? why gator and not smf?

gah...im torn...but jkds hasnt said anything to convince me he isnt a wolf, infact his posturing over the specials seemed forced and its obvious to anyone who has even read the rules that we do not know what the specials are.

he's torn? how could he be torn? he bolded jkds after i did, but now he doesnt know if he should bold me? what is going on

Im glad wuf turned out v, that saves us a huge headache today. I wish we had kept rilla because he was less on my radar. I dont think my list changes much from yesterday as my top 2 suspects are still alive. I just searched to see if Boog had ever mentioned SMF and he has not spoken to him or mentioned him once other than 1 time yesterday in post 673. This seems like classic distancing to me. Also SMF half assedly bolded boog on day 1 with little to back it up. He only mentions boog in 2 posts, 266 and 180...seems like a weak attempt at early bussing on his part.

also nobody bold yet, as a hasty bold could be our demise, lets get some good discussion going and make sure everyone has to contribute.

still knows who his top two suspects are, still hasnt bold a one o dem yet

Through page 7. Unsure how anyone is cleared at this stage. Hoopy and SMF have barely said a damn thing. Gator posts but is scared to hard push anyone. Philly's posts are a lot of nothing. MMM is the only one that reads as a villager.

I ask again, MMM, how'd you go about clearing people? What was your logic here?

classic endgame wolfing. villagers look for people to clear, wolves look for why people cant be cleared.



boog and philly then go into their pg 12 cat fight. not buying it for a second. looks like w/w to me.

One constant that remains in this game is whenever I've called or suggested someone a wolf (hoopy and mmm) their reply has always been; "well what do you think of xx or yy" or who's my partner then.

Reads even more wolfy

this has actually been very constant.

[wufwugy]

something ive held back on about philly

so remember when i said he and i were wolves together for a few hours before the mod realized he fucked up and rerolled? well philly's main priority at that time was for the wolves (he and me really because we were the only wolves online) to throw shade on each other. and he was good at it. i remember thinking, and ive said it a few times over the years, that we would have won that game if it had played out. philly was way ahead of the game norms at that time. nobody would have seen it coming.

so maybe he's doing it again. philly and boog's relationship looks really weird. boog did get a philly bold or two in, but never when it counted. philly said a billion things about boog wolfing, but always found somebody else to bold. a similar dynamic exists with hoopy, but to a lesser extent.

[wufwugy]

also it isnt just shade throwing philly's good at. his wolf tone is fantastic. i remember thinking how chill he was and how able to throw shade on me he was without it seeming weird.

[MadMojoMonkey]

@wuf: are you saying you think it's {boozh, Hoopy, philly}?

Your case seems like it's still in the formation stage, so I don't want to rush you. I'm just trying to make sure I understand you.
'Cause it sounds like you're clearing SMF, and I don't see that.

I agree that boozh is a wolf. If we lose with a boozh lynch, I don't even feel bad about it. I refuse to be the one in the learning corner if this is a V-game from boozh.

I'm interested in your take on philly. You're painting him as a non-noob pretty hard. No one has said this about him, and the lack of response to his, "I've been called a lot of things, but not 'slick,'" comment played into my read on him.

[wufwugy]

im not clearing anybody. im just making sure that the village sees what i see.

my opinion is not anywhere close to set in stone, but i do think there are a handful of reads in what i posted that are very correct.

[GatorJH]

Wuf, here is the one issue I have with all of that analysis. You have a tendency to find comparisons between players that, in many cases, aren't really there. Its almost like you are trying to find all of the wolves at once. You did it with JKDS and me this game and you wrongly tried tying me to others in recent games when there was no connection.

It's the one major flaw I have with your villager game.

Btw, I'm not saying there could be something to portions of what you have in that analysis, I would just be extremely surprised if all three of them were wolves, especially Philly as I have had him as solid villager for most of this game.

What is your thought on SMF? It feels to me like once you outed as innocent child that he knew he was going to be on the hot seat so he decided to not give out any information that could be damaging to his wolf team. He just doesn't seem engaged in figuring this out and the only reason I can see for that is if he is a wolf and is just planning on taking one for the team knowing we need to hit wolf in each of the next three days.

[GatorJH]

i still think that BID turns up vanilla a ton here like i said on page one. The only special i can see him being is the innocent child. And i rarely see him as a wolf taking this line, although (im saying this a lot -__-) this is my first time playing with him and he could be on that level, just unlikely.

FWIW Wuf, when I first saw this post I was wondering the same thing, but as I thought it through what he said makes sense. Of all the power roles a villager could have innocent child would be the one where you jump out saying "hey I'm special" in the hopes of laying a trap because it is the one role that can be confirmed without you dying. It makes sense to me that you wouldn't think through this because you knew BID couldn't be innocent child so I figured I would give you my point of view on the post.

This, as well as his thoughts on Gabe's abnormal style is why I pegged him as villager right off the bat and even more so when both of them flipped villager. You just rarely see a wolf semi-clearing two villagers this early in the game.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I suspected both BID and gabe were Innocent Child. I half-wondered if BID was jailer and planning on jailing himself every night. IDK if rascal would allow that. Seems game-breaking.

[philly and the phanatics]

^^ this....out of the 5 power roles that is the one that made the most sense for a spazz play like that, although i had him still as more vanilla than anything else

the reason i havent ever bolded boog is because my preaching has fallen on deaf ears. In fact on day 1, outside of SMF's out of the blue bolding with no reasoning at all, respectable players were CLEARING boog, so, yea, i didnt feel comfortable about bolding him. Towards the end of the day, i had been pressured to contribute quite a bit, and i thought that my stab at the JKDS wagon was a good shot at finding a wolf.

I had said i thought that one of ong/gabe was a wolf, and even said it was more likely to be gabe, but his subsequent posting, as i pointed out, seemed more transwolf, it made more sense to go with my JKDS wagon theory, which could have been ong or you or BID. And i had cleared BID, and had gotten a v-lean from ong during the back and forth with gabe. Also MMM's post claiming that over half the time its v v convinced me that it was possible.

Day 2, more of the same, nobody appeared down with the boog life, its not until today that it is finally gaining some traction

as for the boozh thing now we are really grasping at straws....its not hard to deduce boog was being referred to. I am a mastermind wolf who cannot determine what boozh is without him telling me? If anything it was more sketchy that hoopy had to ask about villager knees a ton of times. I had never heard the phrase but i figured he was alluding to someone's likelihood of being a villager.

i really think you are still tinfoiling here. Some of the thoughts that you posted are quite accurate, like how boog is not trying to clear villagers, and is still throwing shade.

I appreciate the compliments and i am tickled that you think i am capable of this, but, like MMM said, nobody rushed to say "Oh yea right philly, you could easily pull this."

[Hoopy]

hmmm, hold for later. thinks jkds/gabe is v/w. also thinks ong wagon doesnt look good



wuf lynch isnt better than ong? hoopy just before said that he thinks ong wagon is bad.
But the Ong lynch being bad doesn't automatically mean a wuf lynch was better.

hhwwhaaat? ong was on hoopy's short list? so why did hoopy say he didnt like the ong lynch?
Shortlist was made during middle of the day but my opinions had altered by EOD.


well here's his previous short list. so it's a short list of wolves, which means that hoopy completely contradicted himself when after ong was lynched he said me and ong were on his short list yet he also said before the lynch that he didnt like an ong lynch.
Didn't like an Ong lynch "at EOD".


so he wasnt feeling a jkds lynch at taht time, but then later but before eod he said he thinks there's a wolf between gabe and jkds.

if he thinks there is one wolf in gabe/jkds like he prevoiusly said, why did he never follow up and bold jkds?

and he starts his smf boldings. as if nothing previous had happened.


dude cant bold the one guy he has all over his wolf lists

good reasons to vote jkds instead of smf. maybe he just didnt want his name on a vjkds death.

plus by hoopy's d1 logic of there being one wolf between such n such, jkds shoudl be his #1 wolf pick by far.
But wuf the point is that my reads had changed from day 1 after all of the flips. Also JKDS got to 3-4 votes fairly quick so if I bolded him there that's either a hammer which is obviously bad at that point or L-1 which I didn't think was safe.


wait, what? why gator and not smf?
JKDS, SMF with Gator as the ?

Responded inline to you wuf.

[Hoopy]

@wuf

You've cleared SMF then?

'classic endgame wolfing. villagers look for people to clear, wolves look for why people cant be cleared.'

I agree with this and think there's a lot of truth in it.

[Hoopy]

philly, rilla, anyone wanna help lynch SMF right now?

We need one more

If we both switch to SMF it ties it at 4

Scratch this. It's wrong.

No. We need a JKDS voter to switch. They are all AFK.

Right at the end of yesterday.

MMM again trying to get a late wagon switch. We now know both JKDS & wuf are villagers.

Risky stuff for a wolf to do. I guess a switch was unlikely to happen because everyone except philly was rock solid on the JKDS wagon. But still if MMM is a wolf he dgaf who dies out of wuf/JKDS, why go fishing for trouble?

Villager points for MMM.

[Hoopy]

Gabe is dead n1. Gabe wanted mmm dead. Coincidence?

Has anyone looked into night kills to see if it were a PR hunt or if it was for that reason ^°

2 people died on night 1.

You're thinking MMM is a wolf who targeted gabe. But how do you know for sure that the wolves killed gabe?

[MadMojoMonkey]

Right at the end of yesterday.

MMM again trying to get a late wagon switch. We now know both JKDS & wuf are villagers.

Risky stuff for a wolf to do. I guess a switch was unlikely to happen because everyone except philly was rock solid on the JKDS wagon. But still if MMM is a wolf he dgaf who dies out of wuf/JKDS, why go fishing for trouble?

Villager points for MMM.

See, Hoopy can't take this back. There is no action that can happen in the game to change how this went down (aside from the nearly absurdly unlikely event of seeing SMF flip V, which ends the game). If Hoopy tries to change his read on me, then he's obv wolf after this post.

My thoughts haven't changed much in the past 24 hours. I'm thinking {boozh, SMF} are basically lock wolf. wuf is conf. V, and Gator is nearly conf. V. So that leaves Hoopy and philly a V/W or W/V.

[GatorJH]

See, Hoopy can't take this back. There is no action that can happen in the game to change how this went down (aside from the nearly absurdly unlikely event of seeing SMF flip V, which ends the game). If Hoopy tries to change his read on me, then he's obv wolf after this post.

My thoughts haven't changed much in the past 24 hours. I'm thinking {boozh, SMF} are basically lock wolf. wuf is conf. V, and Gator is nearly conf. V. So that leaves Hoopy and philly a V/W or W/V.

I forgot about my daughter's soccer game last night so I didn't get in as much review as I wanted to, but I haven't seen anything to lead me away from SMF today. Hoopy seems more villager today to me than Boog but will probably need to take a deeper look into both before making a final decision.

If we get that one right it then gets tough as their are pluses and minuses for everyone remaining in the game.

I don't think it is as locked as I did when I thought wuf was a wolf, but I still think we can pull this one out and keep the village streak going.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

2 people died on night 1.

You're thinking MMM is a wolf who targeted gabe. But how do you know for sure that the wolves killed gabe?

I don't know. But I tend to believe that wolves make strong player kills over PR hunting pretty often. I'll give the thread a quick skim on the dead people later on and see if I can't try and figure out reasons for death and possible info out of it

[SuperMonkeyFace]

See, Hoopy can't take this back. There is no action that can happen in the game to change how this went down (aside from the nearly absurdly unlikely event of seeing SMF flip V, which ends the game). If Hoopy tries to change his read on me, then he's obv wolf after this post.

My thoughts haven't changed much in the past 24 hours. I'm thinking {boozh, SMF} are basically lock wolf. wuf is conf. V, and Gator is nearly conf. V. So that leaves Hoopy and philly a V/W or W/V.

Sorry buster posey

I'm a villager with a severe lack of wim who needs to step away from the game for a month at least. But still a villager

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Does a mislynch end the game? If so that sucks n I'm sorry. If not.. Then I'll be a liability end game if I'm not lynched. Unless I can find some wim

[wufwugy]

i havent cleared smf in the slightest. i havent given an opinion on who i think should be lynched. ive only pointed out some extra stuff that you guys missed that may or may not be valuable information.

[wufwugy]

i think all four wolves are in boog hoopy philly smf >50% of the time. it is easier to see reasons to call gator and mmm villagers, but im not ruling out them being wolves.

[BooG690]

Here's BooG's last villager game.

Do I get modkilled for trying to lynch the mod?

Also, 85% sure Gabe is a wolf. His first post was absolute fluff. Almost a forced post.

Gator's post totally screams wolf, I'm positive of it

Wuf getting all defensive up in heauh.

FWIW, you took quite the while to formulate that argument. I reckon den involvement. I'm not hating you and Gabe on a wolf team here.

Gabe looks like a pressure point here. Pushed a bit and in come Ong (and now Aubrey) to defend. Still not hating this Gabe bold.

LOL this? THIS is your heat? Nah, this ain't Ong heat. I've seen Ong heat.

BooG is seen here being a dick constantly and stirring shit up. He was a villager this game. But what about his endgame?

Ugh. I'm sick to my stomach. I don't understand how this happened. Maybe I let the idea of not losing to obvious wolves get the best of me.

Lynch gabe

I think this means I believe it's gabe/Keith/BID/Monkey. But then gabe has BID/Monkey in his four.

You know what? We're best if we all list our four. Go.

Ong/Aubrey/BID/Monkey? Rescind gabe

There's a chance BID is the best lynch tonight. Those thinking it's BID/Monkey with me and Hoopy will like that (Ong, Gabe, dead Wuf, dead Gator, I think Rilla). Also, those thinking it's BID/Monkey and mix of gabe/Keith/Ong/Aubrey will be satisfied.

I lynch BID here.

Shit, even I agree that was a wolfy fucking post.

^ this one is BooG talking about his own partner

Ong, you're suspecting Luco here and he suspects me. I think you're villager and all but none of your suspicions are adding up. You need to re-evaluate your read on me here. The only team that really makes sense is Gabe/Luco/BID/SMF.

We've both (you and I) defended villagers as wolves, Ong. I don't find this indicative of villagerness. Nicely done as a wolf but easily done by a wolf.

Blah, blah, blah. I'm constantly casting shade and looking for wolves instead of looking for villagers. That's how I play. If my mode of play is going to lose the game for the village, sorry. Perhaps I'll go transvillage next game.

Wuf, you conjured up yet another crazy conspiracy theory. You say I bolded Philly when it didn't count. There WAS no point where it would count. Had there been a point where a Philly bold WOULD have counted, I would have voted. Actually, had philly gotten lynched D1, we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would have went more like: "BooG got philly lynched. Confirmed villager." But here we are.

Looks to me that philly and SMF are constants here. I'll lynch either. Hey Wuf, should I get the philly wagon started? You know, vote for him when it counts?

[wufwugy]

as of right now, the only lynches i think are bad are gator and mmm.

regardless of what the team is, something screwy is going on. enough hedging has gone around. there are several different players who kinda sorta dont look like wolves with other players, but by poe one pair of them would have to be.

[wufwugy]

Wuf, you conjured up yet another crazy conspiracy theory.

you know after the jkds lynch i put quite a bit of thought into figuring out why there seems to be the ww dynamic where it's me vs some villager for like half the lynches. i think a good deal of it boils down to responses like the above.

my reputation is a specific thing. often villagers see me attacking them on things that they know are not accurate because they know their own role. but instead of defaulting that i could also be a villager who is trying to flesh out what people are doing, the typical response is to blow me off, insult me, call me stupid, call me crazy. this behavior turns what looked wolfy to me into being extra wolfy, because it's just a more extreme level of people not explaining themselves. one of the best ways to catch a wolf is when he's in a situation where he can't explain himself, so when people blow me off for whatever reason, they're inadvertently putting themselves into a wolfy box.

it has happened many times this game. just sayin.

[BooG690]

So instead of looking inward you look at what other people are saying? If you're saying it just to brainstorm and get ideas from others, cool. But I've seen you dig yourself deep into the rabbit hole and tunnel vision. I'm afraid of the latter happening and losing us the game is all.

[Hoopy]

I don't know. But I tend to believe that wolves make strong player kills over PR hunting pretty often. I'll give the thread a quick skim on the dead people later on and see if I can't try and figure out reasons for death and possible info out of it

Ok that's fair enough.

[Hoopy]

Right I've been mulling it over and think this is the best thing to do.

HARDCLAIM VIG.

[Hoopy]

Hopefully this will narrow the pool of suspects down.

My role will now be resolved tonight regardless. I know that I'm the vig. If there's a counterclaim then just leave the 2 of us to the side for today.

Added bonus that the village will always have a confirmed villager tomorrow (wuf or me) which is good.

[Hoopy]

To reiterate if I'm not the vig then obviously the real vig should out. The village leaves the group of {wuf, vig, fake vig} alone and picks from the remaining 4 of which 2 are wolves. Assuming success the real vig kills fake vig then is one of the confirmed is killed by the wolves afterward.

Leaving {confirmed, villager, villager, wolf} on the final day. Which is fine for the village.

[MadMojoMonkey]

OK, then. {boog, philly, SMF}

You don't know how many times I bit my tongue when Gator kept saying we need 3 lynches in 3 days. I kept wanting to say, well, we can't afford any mistakes, but we don't need 3 lynches.

I almost just posted this pic with the caption, "Aren't you forgetting someone?"


but I worried that it would be considered a soft-claim as vig, and as you well know, there has been 0 need to provide cover for the vig today.

[wufwugy]

hoopy makes sense as the vig. he is paying more attention than normal.

[BooG690]

hoopy makes sense as the vig. he is paying more attention than normal.

MMM just outed. I had him as my last wolf. I feel strongest about {philly, SMF, Hoopy} here with MMM outing with no CC unless some connection between Hoopy and Gator is found.

[wufwugy]

MMM just outed.

when was this?

[MadMojoMonkey]

MMM just outed.

What did I out as?

[wufwugy]

note of caution: if hoopy is not the real vig, the real vig has to out. if the real vig didn't out, it would open the door for a wolf hail mary attempt to ram through a villager lynch by getting a villager to bold somebody based on the fake vig's blessing

[BooG690]

OK, then. {boog, philly, SMF}

You don't know how many times I bit my tongue when Gator kept saying we need 3 lynches in 3 days. I kept wanting to say, well, we can't afford any mistakes, but we don't need 3 lynches.

I almost just posted this pic with the caption, "Aren't you forgetting someone?"


but I worried that it would be considered a soft-claim as vig, and as you well know, there has been 0 need to provide cover for the vig today.

I thought this was you outing here.

[MadMojoMonkey]

Let me make it perfectly clear.

HARDCLAIM VANILLA VILLAGER.