The Matrix Werewolf - Game Thread

[BooG690]

Page two is gold for a wuf-boog team. They practically high five as they go after gabe...someone that old school ww players fear

You're right. Wuf rescinding Gabe with gabe in the lead and me calling him out on it just screams a Wuf/Boog wolf team going for the gabe lynch.

[wufwugy]

I think smf is a scapegoat too.

Wuf-hoopy-boog. I'm locked in. Lynch one of these, if it's not a wolf, shoot me so you consider someone thay could actually be a wolf tomorrow

like this. why. would. a. villager. believe. this.

if we do what you want and you're a villager like you say, THE GAME WOULD BE OVER WITH A W WIN.

if a v is lynched today, the w's kill a v, making it one away from parity, so shooting you (as you say you're a villager) would just make the w win.

[JKDS]

I don't. I think YOU'RE a wolf. Wuf's long post #693 and his associating of you and Gator sold me. I think you two are W/V a lot of the time with you being the wolf a huge percentage of the time.

You don't think he's wolfy, yet one of me and him must be a wolf.

What, my arguments suddenly get better when I die?

Seems to me that you threw wuf in there because that's the sentiment. Not because it's what you think.

[JKDS]

lol from your perspective if you're a villager, this would be a player moving off of your wagon, just like gator moved off your wagon, so you should think im v for it just like you say gator is v.

im on you because you keep saying things that are wrong or contradictions. it's that simple.

Except you did it when my wagon fell off, genius. So no, you DON'T get villa cred for it. And the way you did it was incredibly wolfy. Gator didnt justify his presence I'm his post outta fear he'd be questioned. Gator didn't hop on someone else because they're sorta wolfy. You did. And what you did is wolfy.

[wufwugy]

Except you did it when my wagon fell off, genius. So no, you DON'T get villa cred for it. And the way you did it was incredibly wolfy. Gator didnt justify his presence I'm his post outta fear he'd be questioned. Gator didn't hop on someone else because they're sorta wolfy. You did. And what you did is wolfy.

you still haven't explained how it's wolfy. bolding somebody is wolfy now?

[JKDS]

Lol, we're at 9 not 10. Shooting me is stupid, maybe lynch me today instead? I can't be alive at lylo, maybe today is best.

[JKDS]

Read the post, I told you why

[wufwugy]

Read the post, I told you why

yeah and the explanation you provide isnt evidence of wolfy behavior.

[JKDS]

yeah and the explanation you provide isnt evidence of wolfy behavior.

Says the honorary wolf every game.

Let me slow down for you. When you make votes that wolves make every day and twice on sunday, you are a wolf.

Your gabe lynch was based on theory you don't believe in.

Your jkds vote was when I was leading, and you fence sat HARD. When I read it, I actually didn't walk away knowing how you felt about me.

You switched to ong, but first made sure posting was ok by justifying why you were. You then made sure you could get out of the vote by posting how you need to reread. Yet you still made it, because ong sentiment was high and youd personally LOVE to get him lynched.

Now you make posts about me, trying to find every possible reason I could be a wolf, yet ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

If it looks and barks like a wolf, it's a wolf

[JKDS]

What roles we got this game? It was tracker vig and something but I can't remember which.

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT - Posts 607 thru 760

JKDS - 4 (a500lbgorilla [660], BooG690 [743], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
a500lbgorilla - 1 (MadMojoMonkey [662])
SuperMonkeyFace - 2 (GatorJH [708], Hoopy [658])
wufwugy - 1 (JKDS [687])
MadMojoMonkey - 1 (SuperMonkeyFace [705])


5 is MAJ. D2 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 29 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

Note: Numbers in brackets are the post number for the vote. Please let me know if I missed any votes so I can correct my spreadsheet.

Day ends in 2 hours and 48 minutes.

[wufwugy]

Says the honorary wolf every game.

that's funny. the last time somebody said this during a game, it was the latest game, said by wgabe, who was trying to discredit me.

Your gabe lynch was based on theory you don't believe in.

my progression is there and reasonable.

Your jkds vote was when I was leading, and you fence sat HARD. When I read it, I actually didn't walk away knowing how you felt about me.

that's funny, since i said exactly how i felt about you. i liked your tone but hated how you handled your claims on ong (saying lots about him wolfing but then bolding bid). you even showed up a couple posts later to explain your position on ong. you knew exactly what i thought, but now are saying you didnt. in fact i believed what you did was so wolfy that i said many times about how it made you and ong wolfy together. vjkds would see things like this.

You switched to ong, but first made sure posting was ok by justifying why you were. You then made sure you could get out of the vote by posting how you need to reread. Yet you still made it, because ong sentiment was high and youd personally LOVE to get him lynched.

so now explaining oneself is wolfy justification? dont you think that your idea that i wanted to "get out of the vote" if i had to is null now that you see that i was attacking him rather viciously until he was cold and stiff? and guess what, a few posts after my supposed hedge to "get out of the vote", i stated i had reread and liked where i stood.

ong sentiment wasnt even that high. rilla made a correct statement about him, gabe bolded him, and i confirmed that rilla's read was correct. and it was. ong did play an unusually lazy game. it doesn't matter what he flipped, he still did that. my fault in not realizing that sometimes he's just lazy as a villager. usually when soembody is logically lazy it means they're wolfing.

Now you make posts about me, trying to find every possible reason I could be a wolf, yet ignoring all evidence to the contrary.

what evidence to the contrary? there's, like, um, none.

[JKDS]

If you end up being villager, look back at this game and then never, ever, say anything about what v jkds will do ever again. Because you don't have a clue.

[JKDS]

But seriously, boog-wuf-hoops is like 80% of the time the exact wolf team.

Never lynch gator. Never lynch rilla. And I'm pretty happy with where philly and mmm are.

[GatorJH]

Im feeling like smf is a scapegoat right now. He's a very easy person for wolves to attack, since he's not around. I'm not feeling it, and the fact that hoops only has scapegoat 1 and scapegoat 2 as his wolf picks make me think he's wolfy now.

I am ok with it because he was around when I voted for him and yet chose to totally avoid my questions for him.

[GatorJH]

my issue with a jkds lynch is that he's so over the top illogical that part of me feels like a wolf wouldn't be this bad. i dont think that matters, always lynch the person saying the wrongest things, but it's frustrating for the times he flips v.

anyhoo, here's jkds telling us that both he and gator are wolves:



okay, jkds said that him being v and having a growing wagon means that a player who is w who gets off the wagon would be acting in a sketchy way. wait, what? um, if gator is w and jkds is v, then gator abandoning the vjkds wagon is GOOD for wgator.

the claim that wgator would be acting sketchy ONLY makes sense (assuming jkds is not trolling and is thinking rationally) if both jkds and gator are wolves. in that case, wgator abandoning the growing wjkds wagon DOES look sketchy.

so what we have here is (assuming jkds isn't thinking irrationally or trolling) jkds posting from his wolfmind with the knowledge that he and gator are wolves. it's your basic slip.

Wuf, when you tinfoil you go so over the top that it is crazy.

[GatorJH]

Rilla sounding like villa rilla again. Pretty sure he's not wolfing.

But no rilla. Wuf attacks gator like that all the time.

This on both points.

[MadMojoMonkey]

rescind rilla

He is actually searching for clarity and digging in to people's posts.

Can JKDS say these things as a wolf? I'm reading him as V in the above exchange

***

But literally almost every one of mmms posts I think are wolfy. Feels like he's soft pushing or discrediting someone nonstop. His entrance into d1 and d2 feel just as wolfy

I'm discrediting nonstop? Many of my posts are clearing people and explaining why I've cleared them.

Show me a soft push. I've been actively voting for people I find wolfy, with the exception of you.

lynch SMF

[wufwugy]

Wuf, when you tinfoil you go so over the top that it is crazy.

that's not tinfoil. it's a simple, straight reading of what transpired.

since when is it illogical to assess the meaning of what people say? if i say the sky is green, it's not tinfoil to say "well the sky is blue, therefore he's wrong, therefore he's either lying or ignorant". jkds giving you such a villy pass there is VERY weird partly because the opposite of what he says is true. if you are a wolf and he is a villager, you dropping off his wagon when it gains stream is GOOD WOLFING, not bad like he says.

[wufwugy]

If you end up being villager, look back at this game and then never, ever, say anything about what v jkds will do ever again. Because you don't have a clue.

id be happy with the extreme downgrade in my opinion of your game that would transpire if you flip v.

actually, no, i know what you're capable of as v. ive seen it several times. i'll call this just a really off game and say your mind was somewhere else or something.

[GatorJH]

Lol, we're at 9 not 10. Shooting me is stupid, maybe lynch me today instead? I can't be alive at lylo, maybe today is best.

I remember taking this line when I was a villager and constantly on the hot seat. I don't think this is a bluff and think either smf or wuf is a better option today than jkds.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I remember taking this line when I was a villager and constantly on the hot seat. I don't think this is a bluff and think either smf or wuf is a better option today than jkds.

Yeah, this one, too:

If you end up being villager, look back at this game and then never, ever, say anything about what v jkds will do ever again. Because you don't have a clue.

[GatorJH]

id be happy with the extreme downgrade in my opinion of your game that would transpire if you flip v.

actually, no, i know what you're capable of as v. ive seen it several times. i'll call this just a really off game and say your mind was somewhere else or something.

Actually I think you are the one off here. Outside of his fluffy entrance this feels very much like v JKDS to me right now.

[wufwugy]

I remember taking this line when I was a villager and constantly on the hot seat. I don't think this is a bluff and think either smf or wuf is a better option today than jkds.

what i lol at is the fact that you say you think jkds has pocketed you yet you dont acknowledge that this necessarily means that he's a wolf. by definition, if you're being pocketed, it's by a wolf. unless you think a villager is doing it to another villager for a weird reason.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I think jkds is winning

Lynch wuf

I don't think I was the only one to find mmm wolfy in this game so far.. Has everyone stopped worrying about him or what?

[SuperMonkeyFace]

Lynch wuf

*

[Hoopy]

Who is that question mark?

Still though, one wolf at a time.

Could be quite a few people, if JKDS flips wolf I'm happy to clear MMM immediately. Probably lean to it being Gator just because of his wolf prowess .

[GatorJH]

what i lol at is the fact that you say you think jkds has pocketed you yet you dont acknowledge that this necessarily means that he's a wolf. by definition, if you're being pocketed, it's by a wolf. unless you think a villager is doing it to another villager for a weird reason.

Open your eyes. He wasn't trying to pocket me in that post.

[wufwugy]

#699

A few of wuf's comments above make me wonder if I have been pocketed by JKDS. Unfortunately I won't be able to validate it until tomorrow morning as I have some friends coming over for the game and need to help the wifey get ready.

#719

I did not. When wuf posted all of his comments right after that I wasn't as confident in my read. It was this post:At the time I felt like he wouldn't point this out if he wasn't a villager, but now am wondering if he was trying to pocket me.

posts approximately 17 hours apart.

yet like magic you now say it's not a thing

[GatorJH]

No I'm not. I'm saying that right now he seems more like a villager than a wolf. It has nothing to do with the above posts (which both reference the same post by JKDS).

[philly and the phanatics]

vote count?

I'll be around for the next hour to close EOD.

@gator, what about wuf's post made you reconsider, and what now has made you flip back?

I agree with wuf that for wolf gator it would make plenty of sense to jump off of a villager bandwagon.

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT - Posts 607 thru 781

JKDS - 4 (a500lbgorilla [660], BooG690 [743], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
SuperMonkeyFace - 3 (GatorJH [708], Hoopy [658], MadMojoMonkey [768])
wufwugy - 2 (JKDS [687], SuperMonkeyFace [776])


5 is MAJ. D2 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 29 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

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1 hour until End of Day.

[wufwugy]

No I'm not. I'm saying that right now he seems more like a villager than a wolf. It has nothing to do with the above posts (which both reference the same post by JKDS).

that isn't what you said. you told me that i was blind because the post i was referencing wasn't evidence of pocketing. it's the same post you previously said was evidence of pocketing. now that ive called you on your magic forgetting of your claims about the pocketing, you are saying that you were talking about his villageriness instead of pocketing.

[GatorJH]

vote count?

I'll be around for the next hour to close EOD.

@gator, what about wuf's post made you reconsider, and what now has made you flip back?

I agree with wuf that for wolf gator it would make plenty of sense to jump off of a villager bandwagon.

It is because he is all over the place and not looking at things like a villager would. Like his arguement now with me. He gets so wrapped up in weird logic that nothing makes sense anymore to him (or anyone else).

[GatorJH]

that isn't what you said. you told me that i was blind because the post i was referencing wasn't evidence of pocketing.

Show me where I said this because I never said the post you referenced wasn't evidence of pocketing and, in fact at that time, thought that it was.

[GatorJH]

Philly, take a look at JKDS' last posts and tell me if you still think he is a wolf.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

If jkds is a wolf than lolme but if he's a villager than the winners are pushing these wagons I'd suspect. Potentially vv wagons right now

Wuf or mmm in my opinion

[wufwugy]

Show me where I said this because I never said the post you referenced wasn't evidence of pocketing and, in fact at that time, thought that it was.

it's all there from 778 to 780

you told me to open my eyes and see that jkds wasnt pocketing. i point out that you have turned on a dime about the pocketing. then you say you haven't and instead you were talking about jkds being villagery. which is funny since that contradicts the two posts previous, which was the post i was referencing when i said you have magically disregarded the notion of pocketing.

it doesnt matter. your death has already been confirmed since you analyzed jkds to have been pocketing you but then didnt make the next logical step and realize that means that jkds is usually a wolf

[GatorJH]

you told me to open my eyes and see that jkds wasnt pocketing.

This is what I am talking about when I say your logic gets all messed up.

What I said was that his latest posts were extremely villagery and that has nothing to do with him pocketing me. You keep wanting to blend these two together, but they are two separate (and opposing) views of the same person.

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT - Posts 607 thru 789

JKDS - 4 (a500lbgorilla [660], BooG690 [743], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
SuperMonkeyFace - 3 (GatorJH [708], Hoopy [658], MadMojoMonkey [768])
wufwugy - 2 (JKDS [687], SuperMonkeyFace [776])


5 is MAJ. D2 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 29 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

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30 minutes until End of Day.

[wufwugy]

This is what I am talking about when I say your logic gets all messed up.

What I said was that his latest posts were extremely villagery and that has nothing to do with him pocketing me. You keep wanting to blend these two together, but they are two separate (and opposing) views of the same person.

this just isnt remotely correct. i referenced your old pocketing posts. you said that wasn't pocketing and then you said you were talking about jkds' vness. i pointed out that your reference to my post had nothing to do with jkds vness and everything to do with pocketing.

it's like this: gator walks into a room and kicks the door shut. somebody says "hey why did you kick the door shut". you say "i didnt kick the door shut".

[GatorJH]

No. It's more like - gator walks into a room and kicks the door shut, then walks over and gently closes a window. Wuf then says "hey why did you slam the window down". you say "i didnt slam the window down".

[Hoopy]

Overall I think SMF has a higher % chance of being a wolf.

But JKDS flipping wolf could clear wuf & MMM.

Still it's best to go for the sure thing right now imo, I do have some worries with the case against JKDS but almost none with SMF.

[MadMojoMonkey]

I can't believe JKDS is still the lead wagon with this going on.

lynch wuf

What's up Gator and Hoopy? I don't think the SMF vote is going to hold.

[JKDS]

Wuf setting up for killing gator tomorrow.

Again, never ever ever lynch gator or rilla.

[MadMojoMonkey]

philly, rilla, anyone wanna help lynch SMF right now?

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT - Posts 607 thru 796

JKDS - 4 (a500lbgorilla [660], BooG690 [743], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
wufwugy - 3 (JKDS [687], MadMojoMonkey [794], SuperMonkeyFace [776])
SuperMonkeyFace - 2 (GatorJH [708], Hoopy [658])


5 is MAJ. D2 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 29 November. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

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10 minutes until End of Day.

[philly and the phanatics]

gah...im torn...but jkds hasnt said anything to convince me he isnt a wolf, infact his posturing over the specials seemed forced and its obvious to anyone who has even read the rules that we do not know what the specials are.

[JKDS]

gah...im torn...but jkds hasnt said anything to convince me he isnt a wolf, infact his posturing over the specials seemed forced and its obvious to anyone who has even read the rules that we do not know what the specials are.

I was trying to get wuf to slip and tell me

[MadMojoMonkey]

I was trying to get wuf to slip and tell me

-.-

That'd be extremely out of character for wuf. Opposite end of the self-awareness spectrum.

[wufwugy]

if jkds and gator are wolves, mmm is usually the third.

[JKDS]

What'd the risk in trying? I'm dead anyway. I agree that it was a low percentage gamble but it had 0 downside

[GatorJH]

If either wuf or SMF can overtake JKDS I will go there as I think either is a better option.

[MadMojoMonkey]

We need one more

If we both switch to SMF it ties it at 4

[JKDS]

Ill switch, but smf is null to me

[GatorJH]

if jkds and gator are wolves, mmm is usually the third.

And if two of us are villagers you get the wolf win when we are lynched.

You are soooo much better of an option today than JKDS.

lynch wuf

Philly or rilla, where are you?

[MadMojoMonkey]

We need one more

If we both switch to SMF it ties it at 4

Scratch this. It's wrong.

[wufwugy]

this game has more wolves than villagers.

jkds' only real defense is that he has played terribly. gator has been openly wolfing for a while now. the guy is unable to even acknowledge the most obvious of logic behind his own statements about the pocketing and such

[MadMojoMonkey]

Ill switch, but smf is null to me

No. We need a JKDS voter to switch. They are all AFK.

[BooG690]

For the record, not AFK. Just not switching.

[JKDS]

Vig wuf? Maybe he's just dumb tho.

Don't lynch gator. Ever

[BooG690]

Don't shoot, vig.

[lilrascal]

IT IS NIGHT. STOP POSTING.

[JKDS]

Boog and wuf are wolves, bank it. Reread thinking they be wolves and it's in the bag

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 VOTE COUNT

JKDS - 4 (a500lbgorilla [660], BooG690 [743], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
wufwugy - 4 (GatorJH [806], JKDS [687], MadMojoMonkey [794], SuperMonkeyFace [776])
SuperMonkeyFace - 1 (Hoopy [658])

5 minutes for corrections.

[lilrascal]

DAY 2 FINAL VOTE COUNT

JKDS - 4 (a500lbgorilla [660], BooG690 [743], philly and the phanatics [676], wufwugy [672])
wufwugy - 4 (GatorJH [806], JKDS [687], MadMojoMonkey [794], SuperMonkeyFace [776])
SuperMonkeyFace - 1 (Hoopy [658])

JKDS was lynched.

[lilrascal]

JKDS has been lynched.

Spoiler: Show

JKDS, You are Switch! You are a "natural" villager born outside of the Matrix and a crew member on the{spam link}Nebuchadnezzar. You are a vanilla villager. You win when all threats to the village have been eliminated and there is at least one village player alive.

It is night, do not post.

[lilrascal]

PM me your night actions by 7PM on Monday, 30 November.

Thread will reopen at 8PM on Monday, 30 November. D3 will end at 8PM on Wednesday, 2 December.

It is night, do not post.

[lilrascal]

a500lbgorilla has been killed.

Spoiler: Show

a500lbgorilla, You are Cypher! You are a villager freed from the Matrix, but you regret taking the red pill. Because of your regrets, you are a vanilla villager. You win when all threats to the village have been eliminated and there is at least one village player alive.

It is night, do not post.

[lilrascal]

"I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You're a plague and we are the cure."

-Agent Smith


Live Player List

BooG690
GatorJH
Hoopy
MadMojoMonkey
philly and the phanatics
SuperMonkeyFace
wufwugy

4 Villagers
3 Wolves

4 is MAJ. D3 Ends at 8:00 PM EST 2 December. Votes at :00 are good, :01 are bad.
Please stop posting at EOD even if I haven't declared it night.

IT IS DAY. YOU MAY POST.

[lilrascal]

MOD NOTE: wufwugy is confirmed Villager Innocent Child

[wufwugy]

what? naaaaaaaaaw.

surprised rilla was villager since he and i were on the exact same page the entire game.

naw i pegged him for lock v after his lucid explanation for why i wasnt a wolf. it was the only thing that i thought to myself that differentiated my v and w games. gj rilla.

game is winnable now imo

[GatorJH]

Wow, I have to say I am surprised. I had you had hoopy as lock wolves together.

[MadMojoMonkey]

{boog, hoopy, philly, SMF}

Only one V in there. You need to show your villager knees like never before.

I'm going to reread.

[SuperMonkeyFace]

I'm always voting mmm today

Everyone at some point has thought he's a wolf. Amirite? Can we kill him now?