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  1. #151
    (due to me being a spastic duck and editting this post by accident, this vote count is correct as of post #203)

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    3 - luco - (gabe, jkds, drew)
    2 - jkds - (wuf, lilrascal)
    1 - boog - (mojo)

    not voting - luco, boog, rong

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Regarding the bolded above: Is this why you're not wanting to react to me in realtime?

    I agree it's harder for a wolf to react in real-time, which is why I keep trying to interact with people.

    So far, those that have chosen to interact in real-time with me have come off villa imo.
    Excuse me? Both times you've engaged me in real-time, I've engaged back. Where did I not react to you in real-time?
  3. #153
    To me reacting in real time is responding in a minute or two. Not 30 minutes or longer.

    I see that you're not voting right now. Who are your top 3 villas and top 3 wolves?
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  4. #154
    I just skimmed the thread and only saw what I would call 1 interaction, but you really didn't engage me in the thread in real time.
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  5. #155
    Boog, now's your chance to interact with me. Give me your thoughts and convince me your villa.

    I really try and keep an open mind in these games and reassess.
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    One interaction out of two questions. The other one was answered in a reasonable time. Unfair for you to claim that I haven't answered your questions in real-time when I missed one question by some arbitrary span of time that you set.

    My top 2 wolves were Wuf and MMM. Wuf looks a lot better to me after describing the link between JKDS and I. With that, I find MMM more suspicious than Wuf with Wuf just a teeny bit on the wolf side of things.

    My top 2 villagers are Gabe and yourself.

    I left it at top 2 because the others have barely been playing.
  7. #157
    As I said, I'm used to much faster paced games and I define interaction is when it's in real time (within a couple of minutes). Times outside of that make it easy for the wolves to chat and come up with a consensus response.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    One interaction out of two questions. The other one was answered in a reasonable time. Unfair for you to claim that I haven't answered your questions in real-time when I missed one question by some arbitrary span of time that you set.

    My top 2 wolves were Wuf and MMM. Wuf looks a lot better to me after describing the link between JKDS and I. With that, I find MMM more suspicious than Wuf with Wuf just a teeny bit on the wolf side of things.

    My top 2 villagers are Gabe and yourself.

    I left it at top 2 because the others have barely been playing.
    I don't understand your wolf reads on wuf and mmm. I read them as villa at this point.

    Also, I don't understand your villa position on Gabe since he's only posted 8 times and only JKDS has posted less.

    Help me understand where you're coming from.
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    The Gabe read is purely based on his seeing me as a villager and understanding that I'd never be so inconsistent as a wolf. Again, I'm a lot more careful than that as a wolf and Gabe understood that. As a wolf, there'd be no reason for Gabe to come out and defend a bandwagon that is almost there (mine).

    Wuf was very vague in connecting JKDS and I. Also, I expect Wuf to connect the dots and see I'd be more careful in posting on D1. He experienced me as a wolf and knows I check back with other wolves before I post. I wouldn't make such a glaring mistake.
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    As for MMM, his vote against JKDS looks forced and looks like a revenge vote. I maintain that the logic behind the JKDS vote is weak. I see MMM's mind as purely logical and, what I see as a revenge vote, doesn't make sense coming from MMM.
  11. #161
    This is really all based on meta, which doesn't really help to convince me that you're a villa.

    I know here at FTR meta is used a lot. How often is that meta used against the village?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    As for MMM, his vote against JKDS looks forced and looks like a revenge vote. I maintain that the logic behind the JKDS vote is weak. I see MMM's mind as purely logical and, what I see as a revenge vote, doesn't make sense coming from MMM.
    Actually, I find his vote as more villagery. As a wolf, it would be easier to go with the flow and vote you rather than JKDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    jkds or boog, makes no difference. theyre both wolves.
    And shit like this. First he says we're both wolves (from this post, I'd gather Wuf sees both JKDS' and my probability of flipping wolf as equal).THEN, he says that my flipping wolf hinges on JKDS flipping wolf. It just looks to me that Wuf is making inconsistent arguments concerning JKDS and I, but doing a good job at picking up the pieces.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    This is really all based on meta, which doesn't really help to convince me that you're a villa.

    I know here at FTR meta is used a lot. How often is that meta used against the village?
    You said yourself it's D1 and only 140+ votes to go off of. I was JUST a wolf with Wuf in a long game. Of course I'm going to be focused on meta.
  15. #165
    To me, it looks more like an uninformed villager trying to make reads.
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    How often do players use that meta against the village?

    Ideally, a player would like their village and wolf game to look alike. This is more possible in slow games like this without real time interaction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Actually, I find his vote as more villagery. As a wolf, it would be easier to go with the flow and vote you rather than JKDS.
    The flow was JKDS at the time. I didn't have one bold on me when MMM voted JKDS. I think your timing is off. I suggest you go back real quick to see the flow of the game when MMM voted JKDS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    How often is that meta used against the village?
    depends on who the village is listening to

    for example, when wuf has influence, the meta is used against the village

    you are on same wagon as wuf. it's a surprisingly good indicator in the first half of the game
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    How often do players use that meta against the village?

    Ideally, a player would like their village and wolf game to look alike. This is more possible in slow games like this without real time interaction.
    Of course that meta can be used against the village. This is a poker forum with a small pool of players. The point of the game is to dig through the meta, I guess.
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    Rascal, what about Wuf's game has you reading him villager? Would you agree that he's been a bit inconsistent with his argument against me?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    The flow was JKDS at the time. I didn't have one bold on me when MMM voted JKDS. I think your timing is off. I suggest you go back real quick to see the flow of the game when MMM voted JKDS.
    My timing may well be off, but I still think him not changing his vote is villagery, at least on the surface.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    My timing may well be off, but I still think him not changing his vote is villagery, at least on the surface.
    So he's villagery because he didn't change his vote to me? He's villagery because he didn't hop on my bandwagon?

    By your first sentence, looks like you couldn't be bothered to go back and look at MMM's JKDS vote. That's interesting.
  23. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Rascal, what about Wuf's game has you reading him villager? Would you agree that he's been a bit inconsistent with his argument against me?
    I mainly based it off his tone while interacting with me. In the 2 games I've played with wuf, I've read his tone as very wolfy.

    In this game I get a villa vibe from him.
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    After his last game, I wouldn't be surprised if Wuf changed his wolf game altogether.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    So he's villagery because he didn't change his vote to me? He's villagery because he didn't hop on my bandwagon?

    By your first sentence, looks like you couldn't be bothered to go back and look at MMM's JKDS vote. That's interesting.
    No, I did go back and do a skim and did a search for the word lynch. In a quick skim, I didn't go into a detailed analysis of the timing. It does appear that he didn't switch with others, which is villagery, but it doesn't make him a lock villa.
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  26. #176
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    After his last game, I wouldn't be surprised if Wuf changed his wolf game altogether.
    That is possible. Time will tell. I don't think wuf could keep up this tone for very long as a wolf.
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  27. #177
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    depends on who the village is listening to

    for example, when wuf has influence, the meta is used against the village

    you are on same wagon as wuf. it's a surprisingly good indicator in the first half of the game
    Gabe, you've hardly posted this game. Have you read the thread?

    Who are your top 3 wolves and villas?
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    Rascal, why do you think I'm a wolf? Who else do you think is a wolf?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    This is the entirety of Boog's game so far. I don't understand how you could have a read other than neutral at this point.
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    La di da, la di da, this seems like a forced counter vote on JKDS. The logic behind the vote is just meh. MMM is too logical to lynch JKDS without good logic.

    Rescind JKDS, lynch MMM
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    This is just such a bad vote this early in the game to take the vote count to 4 with 5 being MAJ.

    I'm not sure if it's wolfy or just really bad villa play.
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Truth. I am being rather inconsistent here. I still like my read on MMM but in the spirit of keeping the day long: rescind MMM
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    So what are YOUR reasons for thinking MMM is likely a wolf?
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    Too logical a man for shitty logic.
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    I disagree with both. I see nothing out of the norm from JKDS. His argument against you is far-fetched, I'll agree with you there, but it's day 1 and there's not much to go off of. Shit'll be far-fetched.
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    If you agree that it's far-fetched then why did you go along with it and bring us within 1 vote of MAJ?
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    But you started out the day agreeing with MMM and voting JKDS saying that the JKDS MQ was trying to get an easy lynch, then when MMM defended his stance against the JKDS MQ and MMM started getting votes, so you switched your vote to MMM.

    When you got called out on your inconsistency you rescinded your vote.

    It's really starting to look like you're a wolf pushing for a quick mislynch.
    I really don't like to do big MQ's since many people don't read them or don't click the quote to see what it is in response to.

    But I've laid out my case against you all day.

    I'm starting to get a villa vibe from you for this interaction, but after going back and putting this together it's hard for me to give you a villa lean.
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  30. #180
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Rascal, why do you think I'm a wolf? Who else do you think is a wolf?
    The first question I answered in my response above.

    I'm also reading JKDS as a wolf.
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    That's fine. Your reasoning is sound. I regret posting what I posted with the "JKDS is trying to go for a quick lynch, let's lynch him," thing. In my head, it was an obvious joke (you wouldn't know this but I've tried to get him lynched D1 every game we've been in together for the past three years or so). I wish that wasn't a reason to lynch me but from your POV, I see how it looks murky.
  32. #182
    Boog, go help me find a wolf with reasons (not just meta) and I'll reconsider my vote on you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Boog, go help me find a wolf with reasons (not just meta) and I'll reconsider my vote on you.
    Not much posting being done. Not much help I can give. I don't understand your reason for disregarding any meta, especially on a small site like this. I've said just about all I can say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Not much posting being done. Not much help I can give. I don't understand your reason for disregarding any meta, especially on a small site like this. I've said just about all I can say.
    There's 3 reasons actually.
    - First, I'm fairly new here and don't know the meta that you're referring to in most if not all cases.
    - Second, some of the meta cases that I've heard are BS IMO. Such as (Player X) would never post a gif as a wolf, so they're an obvious villager.
    - Third, meta can be greatly abused, especially if someone hasn't randed wolf in a while. They can play to that to skate to an easier victory.
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  35. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Not much posting being done. Not much help I can give. I don't understand your reason for disregarding any meta, especially on a small site like this. I've said just about all I can say.
    I'll reassess in the morning. You're still my top candidate right now.

    Rescind boog

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    i found it strange that boog switch off jkds when he indeed does this...

    I've tried to get him lynched D1 every game we've been in together for the past three years or so
    it's not like that switching off is impossible to do, but the reason just seems weak. where was his "wooooo we're lynching jkds finally".



    going to bed. won't be back till long after eod. if jkds flips wolf then boog or gabe.
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    I make cases. Its what I do, and its an essential element to how I play. Because of that, its also not role-indicative for me. For example, the Day1 villager game where I drank Keith's kool-aid, and the Day1 Loki game where I hard defended wolf-Ongbonga.

    Also, boog isnt a wolf. His play is not similar to how he played last game (as a wolf), and he isnt likely to draw attention to himself by putting MMM at L-1 as a wolf.

    gabe, rascal, and wuf are all likely villagers as well.

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    I feel like there is a <10% chance that any one of lilrascal, or b00g are wolves. Not convinced on mmm either and my vote seems to be a waste at this point. My read on him is slowly changing based on his posts over the last 24hrs. rescind mmm

    b00g's language strikes me as extremely villagery. He talks about the kind of things he does as a wolf... I don't think b00g wolf does that. Him getting lynched is a terrible idea imo.

    lilrascal wolf wouldn't talk so much about real-time tells via live interaction.

    If either of these two players are wolves - kudos. You are smarter than I originally thought.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    I make cases. Its what I do, and its an essential element to how I play. Because of that, its also not role-indicative for me. For example, the Day1 villager game where I drank Keith's kool-aid, and the Day1 Loki game where I hard defended wolf-Ongbonga.

    Also, boog isnt a wolf. His play is not similar to how he played last game (as a wolf), and he isnt likely to draw attention to himself by putting MMM at L-1 as a wolf.

    gabe, rascal, and wuf are all likely villagers as well.

    lynch luco
    I agree with everything here. Particularly the point about b00g.

    The only thing I'm on the fence about is wuf. He is certainly playing off/odd this game compared to his recent games (I don't remember the last time he was a wolf). I just haven't decided which level he's playing yet. The guy says he's going to play differently every single game so idk.

    I have absolutely no read on luco and just about everyone else seems villagery to me. Weak ass vote to help prevent a b00g mislynch: lynch luco
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    i found it strange that boog switch off jkds when he indeed does this...



    it's not like that switching off is impossible to do, but the reason just seems weak. where was his "wooooo we're lynching jkds finally".



    going to bed. won't be back till long after eod. if jkds flips wolf then boog or gabe.
    You have a tendency to soulread who the entire wolf team is on D1. I believe you do this so that when that magical game soulread is correct - you'll finally have something to brag about. When that day comes, whether it's sometime this year or in 2018, you will not receive any credit from me.

    I find your early wolf-group reads as fluff to entertain yourself. This game is supposed to be fun, so I suppose have at it if you wish.
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    I have reservations on boog, but I'm willing leave my vote while I sleep on it.

    There are things boog said that I don't like, i.e., "if I was a wolf, then I'd do..."
    Of course, he's gonna do the opposite after he says that. No one here is that spewey.
    To his credit, I get a villagery vibe from the rest of his exchange with rascal.

    I don't mind the Luco lynch, but mostly that's because I can't read him, and that's dangerous to me.
    :/
    It occurs to me that rong and Luco get a shit policy from me, because I can't read either of them.
    It is what it is. Be more obvious, bitches. Gawd.

    I still think he was sheeping BID on page 1, but it was page 1. Sheeping BID is fun. He dropped it.
    I see no reason to vote Luco to L-1 at this time. I see no reason to defend him.

    My fine-tuned BID senses are picking up on his moderate involvement, but high content. BIDville looking like a nice place to hang out. Weather report tentative, but looking nice for the week.

    Gabe is involved and making waves and dropping reads. If he posts some song lyrics, I'll be right on top of them epic reedz I got on him.

    Rascal is still doing heavy lifting for the village.

    My reads on JKDS and wuf havn't changed.

    I feel like I'm starting to hand out V-cred to everyone, and I need to sleep and take a fresh look.
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    Bot BID and mojo have said something along the lines of they're seeing villager in everyone. I agree, so I'm giving them both v leans for it.
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    I'm gonna copy paste the player list from the OP

    drew - Seems pretty much his usual villager self

    gabe - I'm giving him a v lean for coming at me so early.

    mojo - Same old mojo.

    boog - Looks better after that little exchange with rascal

    jkds - I felt that his opening attack on mmm was overdoing it given the small amount that was out there to go on, but it could easily just be a villager trying to get the ball rolling (like my vote for mojo) and jkds isn't the sort to give concessions when he's pressing someone. The way he backed off also suggests to me that he could have just been sniffing.

    wuf - Seems his usual villager self, which is slightly different each game but with common elements

    lilrascal - High volume and content, quite game solvey too. Villa

    rong - the only thing I can say in his defense right now is that he thought there were 13 players. nothing else stands out either way.

    So yeah, I got nothin. I think this is a game where we're going to catch the wolves on substance over style - which puts me in the frame for a lynch today as I'm rather low substance right now.
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    Out of the 8 villagers I've got right now I guess the ones I'm least sold on are rong, jkds and maybe gabe. Gabe is somewhat easy to spot as a wolf but it takes more time than this for it to become apparent.
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  46. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    depends on who the village is listening to

    for example, when wuf has influence, the meta is used against the village

    you are on same wagon as wuf. it's a surprisingly good indicator in the first half of the game
    You keep saying this - wuf suspects jkds / boog so they're probably both villa. yet

    1/ he nailed hoopy early in his last villa game
    2/ even a broken clock is right twice a day

    You mention wuf having influence, but right now it looks like you're the only one having their opinion influenced by wuf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    I make cases. Its what I do, and its an essential element to how I play. Because of that, its also not role-indicative for me. For example, the Day1 villager game where I drank Keith's kool-aid, and the Day1 Loki game where I hard defended wolf-Ongbonga.

    Also, boog isnt a wolf. His play is not similar to how he played last game (as a wolf), and he isnt likely to draw attention to himself by putting MMM at L-1 as a wolf.


    gabe, rascal, and wuf are all likely villagers as well.

    lynch luco
    Bolded part is valid.

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    If Luco's a wolf he's pretty much just rolling over. That's not very Luco. And in a 9 man game I don't see any wolf just accepting his fete.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    just realized there's no hoopy. sadface.

    he's always stood out to me as being exceptionally nice. dude has never even alluded to an unkind sentiment about anybody. i always liked that about him.

    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Then, let me be your hoopy this game.
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  50. #200
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  51. #201
    I guess I'll be voting jkds then.
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  52. #202
    Here's where I stand now, in order from vilageryness to wolfiness:

    Villas:
    lilrascal
    Wuf
    MMM
    Rong


    Neutral:
    BID
    Gabe
    Boog
    Luco


    Wolves:
    JKDS


    Boog looks better in my eyes based on our interaction last night. I'm not ready to call him a villager yet, but he's not in my wolf pile now.

    In my mind both JKDS and Luco's D1 were not good, but I think JKDS's was worse than Luco's.

    Lynch JKDS
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    VC deleted by accident
    Last edited by duck; 03-30-2015 at 02:59 PM.
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  54. #204
    Look at rascal's village maps, all neat and colour coded. Bless his little heart
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    Quote Originally Posted by duck View Post
    VC d1 - (#201)

    2 - jkds - (wuf, lilrascal)
    2 - luco - (gabe, jkds, drew)
    1 - boog - (mojo)
    1 - jkds - (wuf)

    not voting - luco, boog, rong

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    The VC is incorrect. If Gabe, JKDS and Drew are on Luco, then his vote should be 3, not 2.
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  56. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Look at rascal's village maps, all neat and colour coded. Bless his little heart
    What have you done for the village this game?
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  57. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    What have you done for the village this game?
    Nothing yet. I am enjoying it though
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  58. #208
    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Nothing yet. I am enjoying it though
    This is one of the reasons that I find you wolfy.
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  59. #209
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    This is one of the reasons that I find you wolfy.
    Not much to grab onto so far.

    I can't find your reasoning for towning rong?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    So yeah, I got nothin. I think this is a game where we're going to catch the wolves on substance over style - which puts me in the frame for a lynch today as I'm rather low substance right now.
    Don't make me get all, "rah rah" on you.
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  61. #211
    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    Not much to grab onto so far.

    I can't find your reasoning for towning rong?
    I'm on my tablet on a break at work today, so it's harder for me to go back in the thread to show my progression on that read. But, from what I recall it was primarily tone and his apparent willingness to reassess. I think it was mainly from the top of page 2 (100 posts/page). It wasn't a real strong villa lean, which is why he's on the bottom of that list, but I do have him as a villa lean.

    At this point, there's no one that is a lock villa IMO.
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  62. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    The VC is incorrect. If Gabe, JKDS and Drew are on Luco, then his vote should be 3, not 2.
    Thanks, fixed.

    PLEASE EVERYONE CHECK THE VC #203 ABOVE TO ENSURE YOUR VOTE IS WHERE IT SHOULD BE, I'VE EDITTED THE LAST VC BY ACCIDENT AND NOW IT'S A HUGE BALLACHE TO TALLY VOTES!
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  63. #213
    Mojo that was an observation not a pity party. I actually prefer getting heat on d1, it makes it somewhat easier to form reads as I can see what people are thinking about someone who I'm sure is a villager (me)
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  64. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    I'm on my tablet on a break at work today, so it's harder for me to go back in the thread to show my progression on that read. But, from what I recall it was primarily tone and his apparent willingness to reassess. I think it was mainly from the top of page 2 (100 posts/page). It wasn't a real strong villa lean, which is why he's on the bottom of that list, but I do have him as a villa lean.

    At this point, there's no one that is a lock villa IMO.
    Fair enough. As I said for me it's the miscount of the players (not that he couldn't ever do that as a wolf, but it's gotta be a v lean on balance) but not much else
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    Um. I just woke up. A bit happened between when I started to make the Vote Count and when I posted it.

    That VC is current to post 201.
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    lynch jkds

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    I have for the VC:
    Luco (3) - BID, gabe, JKDS
    JKDS (2) - rascal, wuf
    BooG (1) - MMM

    no vote (3) - BooG, Luco, rong

    This matches with Duck's above VC, except that he has boog with 3 votes, and I'm the only voter.
  68. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I have for the VC:
    Luco (3) - BID, gabe, JKDS
    JKDS (2) - rascal, wuf
    BooG (1) - MMM

    no vote (3) - BooG, Luco, rong

    This matches with Duck's above VC, except that he has boog with 3 votes, and I'm the only voter.
    Duck's matches yours now. He's a bit slower than you coz he's at cheech & chong speed
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    Rascal, I feel like you're holding a grudge for when I voted to kill you as loki. Regardless, you should not be voting for people just because you disagree with their arguments. The essential question, and this goes for MMM as well, is whether a person's actions are role-indicative.

    MMM is an emotional person. Any case against him is sure to generate an emotional response, and the more pressure there is the greater the response. Emotions are typically hard to fake, and can be indicative of villageryness. But MMM is an intelligent, and arrogant, person as well; so I found it fishy when he responded with "i dont remember that" and "your twisting my intent" even though I did not do so. Add in the fact that he found people voting for him wolfy and people defending him villagery, and we have a bunch of posts that dont feel genuine.

    But, I remembered that he actually does this as a villager too. I remember one game where he attacked me for attacking him (the game he self-lynched). I remember another where he started day1 intentionally silly as opposed to his normal style. Both games he was a villager. So these ingenuine actions are not role-indicative for him, even though he should know better.

    Just like fence-sitting is not role-indicative for you. (That same loki game).

    I dont have MMM as a villager. I dont have him as a wolf. The fact is that he hasnt demonstrated that he is obv-villager like he has in previous games, so I'm hesitant to give him any villager credit.
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    I think its a mistake to give BID villager status at this point. Activity is not what gives BID's role away, as he was very active during MMM's game. Rather, I find his posts a bit guarded and careful, which is atypical of villager BID.
  72. #222
    Going out for a pint or two. I may be busy at deadline, then again I might not be.

    Any votes made on or after 8.00pm UK time will not count, but you may continue to talk until I say otherwise.

    It is 5.20pm UK as of this post, so 2 hrs 40 mins until deadline.

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  73. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Rascal, I feel like you're holding a grudge for when I voted to kill you as loki. Regardless, you should not be voting for people just because you disagree with their arguments. The essential question, and this goes for MMM as well, is whether a person's actions are role-indicative.

    MMM is an emotional person. Any case against him is sure to generate an emotional response, and the more pressure there is the greater the response. Emotions are typically hard to fake, and can be indicative of villageryness. But MMM is an intelligent, and arrogant, person as well; so I found it fishy when he responded with "i dont remember that" and "your twisting my intent" even though I did not do so. Add in the fact that he found people voting for him wolfy and people defending him villagery, and we have a bunch of posts that dont feel genuine.

    But, I remembered that he actually does this as a villager too. I remember one game where he attacked me for attacking him (the game he self-lynched). I remember another where he started day1 intentionally silly as opposed to his normal style. Both games he was a villager. So these ingenuine actions are not role-indicative for him, even though he should know better.

    Just like fence-sitting is not role-indicative for you. (That same loki game).

    I dont have MMM as a villager. I dont have him as a wolf. The fact is that he hasnt demonstrated that he is obv-villager like he has in previous games, so I'm hesitant to give him any villager credit.
    First off, I don't hold grudges; life is too short for that. This is a game and I try to have fun and win. So, no I'm not voting for you for grudge reasons. From my perspective it looked like you were trying to fabricate a reason to vote someone, which is wolfy. If there would have been some substance to your case, then I would have found it villagery.

    I may be wrong about you, but I don't play the meta game that you play. I used to do that to some extent and people were able to abuse that, so I read every player based on the individual game.

    Actually, the only person that stands out for me from the Vikings game when I got lynched after I hard claimed Angel is Wuf becuase he was so vocal about lynching me. In that game, I did have it right in that Gabe was the last wolf and the village did win that game.

    I also find it funny that you said "fence-sitting is not role-indicative for you". I've only been villa on this forum, so you haven't seen me play as a wolf.
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    Why havent you found substance in the case? He wanted to move his vote off of Wuf in response to a video, even though such a response came from wuf as a wolf last game.

    You use the word "fabricate" to discuss my case on him, but does the above not seem like a fabrication?

    I understand where you're coming from regarding meta, however, FTR is different. I've played on other sites, I've seen what you observed, but on those sites its usually a single person arguing meta with the rest of the playerbase being ignorant of it. On FTR, everyone is aware of the meta, and everyone can come to their own conclusions about it. You cant lie about it here, and often people will do their own independent research into it.

    But Fence sitting isnt role indicative for you. No, you havent been a wolf. But It is usually a strong wolf tell, however, you consistently do so as a villager. Thats what I mean.
  75. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Why havent you found substance in the case? He wanted to move his vote off of Wuf in response to a video, even though such a response came from wuf as a wolf last game.

    You use the word "fabricate" to discuss my case on him, but does the above not seem like a fabrication?

    I understand where you're coming from regarding meta, however, FTR is different. I've played on other sites, I've seen what you observed, but on those sites its usually a single person arguing meta with the rest of the playerbase being ignorant of it. On FTR, everyone is aware of the meta, and everyone can come to their own conclusions about it. You cant lie about it here, and often people will do their own independent research into it.

    But Fence sitting isnt role indicative for you. No, you havent been a wolf. But It is usually a strong wolf tell, however, you consistently do so as a villager. Thats what I mean.
    Changing a very early D1 vote (that I took as a joke vote) is not role-indicative. However, what you are doing is pushing (or fabricating as I called it) a case based on someone changing an early vote and appear to be locked in on that and not looking at the rest of the game.
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