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  1. #76
    Duck likes bongs.

    Please, when you see a VC, check your vote is where it should be. Thanks.

    Ooh, top of page. Let's put a VC here.

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    4 - mojo - (drew, jkds, rong, boog) L-1
    2 - jkds - (mojo, wuf)

    not voting - gabe, lilrascal, luco

    9 alive, 5 to lynch
    Deadline approx 48 hrs



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    I got this so far.



    I agree with your votes / voters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    What'll it take for players to realize this is no longer true? Gabe soul read the complete fuck out of me last game. Last game, there was no speed lynch. D1 was so long that ALL of the information the villagers needed to win was contained in that day.

    Speed lynches = bad.
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    La di da, la di da, this seems like a forced counter vote on JKDS. The logic behind the vote is just meh. MMM is too logical to lynch JKDS without good logic.

    Rescind JKDS, lynch MMM
  4. #79
    i just love that jewkids and booj finally got all snarlface together.
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    More villa points for wuf in pointing out Boog's inconsistencies here.
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    Truth. I am being rather inconsistent here. I still like my read on MMM but in the spirit of keeping the day long: rescind MMM
    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Truth. I am being rather inconsistent here. I still like my read on MMM but in the spirit of keeping the day long: rescind MMM
    So what are YOUR reasons for thinking MMM is likely a wolf?
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    Too logical a man for shitty logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Postulate 1: JKDS is twisting my intent in his analysis.
    Postulate 2: JKDS is acting out of character

    Taken together, I find these to be sufficient evidence to say JKDS is more wolfy than average.
    Twisting? I quoted you. It is fact that you found wuf villagery for something he did as a wolf last game. Where's the twist?

    Wolf harder.

    Im also pretty concerned that rascal is hard defending mmm when there isnt reason to this early.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Truth. I am being rather inconsistent here. I still like my read on MMM but in the spirit of keeping the day long: b rescind MMM /b
    Your read being that I have not made a logical argument for my vote on JKDS?

    What part of this do you disagree with?
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Postulate 1: JKDS is twisting my intent in his analysis.
    Postulate 2: JKDS is acting out of character

    Taken together, I find these to be sufficient evidence to say JKDS is more wolfy than average.
    I guess I should have said that JKDS' timing is out of character.
    His form is right on par with mid-game JKDS.
  11. #86
    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Twisting? I quoted you. It is fact that you found wuf villagery for something he did as a wolf last game. Where's the twist?

    Wolf harder.

    Im also pretty concerned that rascal is hard defending mmm when there isnt reason to this early.
    I'm not hard defending anyone. I'm asking people to give their reasons for voting someone. There's a big difference there.

    Rushing to an early lynch on D1 almost always gets a villa. In a 9 player game, rushing to a lynch is always bad for the village because there's not much to work with on D2 and the wolves are then only 2 mislynches away from a wolf win.

    As a village, we need to take our time on D1 and get as much information out as we can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Twisting? I quoted you. It is fact that you found wuf villagery for something he did as a wolf last game. Where's the twist?
    I have clearly stated that my policy vote against wuf was a policy vote, and he's not showing signs of that policy.

    I like people who inject fun and smiles into WW, while contributing to the hunt. Wuf's first post was along that line.
    I don't remember wuf starting like that last game, but I concede that you're probably right about it. What wuf has done since that opening post is a stark contrast to what he was doing last game on D1.

    I stand by my actions here. I decided to open with the line about wuf a couple of games ago. Then last game, it proved a good move. Now this game it looks different. I'm not going to blindly adhere to a pseudo-punishment of wuf when he is helping out the village.

    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Wolf harder.
    You're getting me to restate what I've already said by claiming that I said something else.

    Who's wolfing here?

    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Im also pretty concerned that rascal is hard defending mmm when there isnt reason to this early.
    I agree that some healthy skepticism is in order on any D1.
    I'm not giving anyone a strong lean either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Your read being that I have not made a logical argument for my vote on JKDS?

    What part of this do you disagree with?

    I guess I should have said that JKDS' timing is out of character.
    His form is right on par with mid-game JKDS.
    I disagree with both. I see nothing out of the norm from JKDS. His argument against you is far-fetched, I'll agree with you there, but it's day 1 and there's not much to go off of. Shit'll be far-fetched.
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    Also, I should state that I agree with MMM in Wuf playing differently now. Granted his first post may have been similar to his others but he's definitely looser here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    I disagree with both. I see nothing out of the norm from JKDS. His argument against you is far-fetched, I'll agree with you there, but it's day 1 and there's not much to go off of. Shit'll be far-fetched.
    If you agree that it's far-fetched then why did you go along with it and bring us within 1 vote of MAJ?
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    Me seeing MMM as a wolf doesn't hinge on JKDS' argument. It hinges on what I see as an illogical argument coming from a rather logical person.
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    @JKDS:I said, "Imma hafta move my vote if he keeps that up."

    That's playful and by "that" I meant posting funnies and lolz and whatnot.

    I didn't say it would amount to V-cred. I said it would be enough to move my policy vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Me seeing MMM as a wolf doesn't hinge on JKDS' argument. It hinges on what I see as an illogical argument coming from a rather logical person.
    But you started out the day agreeing with MMM and voting JKDS saying that the JKDS MQ was trying to get an easy lynch, then when MMM defended his stance against the JKDS MQ and MMM started getting votes, so you switched your vote to MMM.

    When you got called out on your inconsistency you rescinded your vote.

    It's really starting to look like you're a wolf pushing for a quick mislynch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I have clearly stated that my policy vote against wuf was a policy vote, and he's not showing signs of that policy.
    No one cares about your initial policy vote. Its anti-village and poor strategy, but its not role-indicative for you. I only quoted it because its exactly how you started last game and triggered the same response from wufwugy.

    I like people who inject fun and smiles into WW, while contributing to the hunt. Wuf's first post was along that line.
    I don't remember wuf starting like that last game, but I concede that you're probably right about it.
    I dont see how this equates to twisting your intent.

    What wuf has done since that opening post is a stark contrast to what he was doing last game on D1.

    I stand by my actions here. I decided to open with the line about wuf a couple of games ago. Then last game, it proved a good move. Now this game it looks different. I'm not going to blindly adhere to a pseudo-punishment of wuf when he is helping out the village.
    What wuf has done since is irrelevant. You, a scientist, witnessed two events. In each, you policy lynched wuf. In each, he responded with a gif/video. Yet even though Wuf was a wolf in the first event, you gave him villager cred in the second.

    So I'll ask again, where is the part where I twisted your intent? The fact is I didnt twist your intent, which begs the question of why you said I did.
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    I'd ignore anything I said about JKDS. Nothing I said concerning him was serious in nature.
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    my cold is finally starting to get better.

    where in the buttballs is gubu?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS
    where is the part where I twisted your intent?"
    The part where you assume that my statement equates to me giving him V-cred.
    I have clearly explained that I was giving him lol-cred, which for me is enough to live through D1.
    For me, fun games are worth the early risk.

    You know better than to pretend that page 1 votes are based on credible reads.

    I have since then given wuf some V-cred, but none of it comes from that opening gif.
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    *MY page 1 reads.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    where in the buttballs is gubu?
    You might want to see a doctor about dem buttballs.
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    unvote MMM

    Theres a high chance you were legitamently just fucking around, as opposed to being a caught wolf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post

    @BID: You know (or at least I believe) that I read you better than most. Are you voting me to get rid of that?
    No. I read you better than I read most other players too. My vote on you was because I wasn't aware of you 'thinking to yourself' or 'making note of' in another thread regarding your wuf policy lynch. I took it at face value.

    Since then, I tone read you as not particularly villagery. I'm not going to explain my read because I don't want you to adapt.

    If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. It's D1.
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    rescind JKDS

    To return the benefit of the doubt. :/
    D1 involvement from JKDS is still out of character, and I can't help but feeling a bit played.

    @BID: What are your reads?

    @rong, gabe: Game on, gentlemen.

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    is in order.

    Boog says no snap lynch, then drives it to L-1.

    Also, he says I'm being illogical. At worst, he disagrees with my premises. I grant that I'm not exactly posing a syllogism about JKDS here.
    As for the twisting my intent, I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt that it was an honest misread.
    As for the timing. I challenge you to link me to a game with JKDS making a case on D1.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    Im also pretty concerned that rascal is hard defending mmm when there isnt reason to this early.
    I'm not concerned with rascal at this point. Defending a train on D1 isn't exactly wolfy either. It's what a good villager would do, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post

    @BID: What are your reads?
    I don't have many reads other than what I just mentioned the vibe I'm getting from you.

    I like rascals villagery game, again.

    I am am always suspicious of b00g and wuf, every game, this one is no different. I don't think it has anything to do with reads but rather an inconsistent wolf read based on a consistent bias against them.
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    I can never tell what level JKDS is on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I feel like I can work with boog or rascal at this time.
    I am skeptical of working with wuf, but so far I haven't seen anything from him to keep up my policy vote.
    I am tentatively willing to work with wuf.

    boog/wuf/rascal - early V-lean
    BID/Luco/JKDS - early W-lean

    no reads: gabe (yet to post) and rong (too tricksy for me to even pretend I can read him.)
    I don't get this, wuf has played exactly like wuf does every game imo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    This is the entirety of Boog's game so far. I don't understand how you could have a read other than neutral at this point.
    That post (post 55) was aimed at MMM for giving boog a v lean based on only 3 boog posts. The answer as to why was quite clearly that boog was defending MMM. That isn't really role indicative though, as anyone can do that when they feel under a bit of pressure, especially someone who in his last post acknowledged he is susceptible to people buttering him up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Not much positive to say about rong's game other than him jumping on the JKDS "analysis" as a reason to place a vote.

    IMO, the JKDS "analysis" is essentially an early D1 fluff post, and I think rong voting because of it makes rong seem wolfier than JKDS.
    I agree with your take on JKDS's post, I voted MMM because I think he is liable to crumble under pressure. I don't know why I think that about him as I can't remember a particular instance of him doing it, but it is how I feel about him. I wasn't aware he was quite so close to lynch though as I though there was 13 players (didn't check the OP but remember 13 from sign up thread).
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    This is just such a bad vote this early in the game to take the vote count to 4 with 5 being MAJ.

    I'm not sure if it's wolfy or just really bad villa play.
    I agree with this.
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    I kinda like a boog lynch. His latest vote on to MMM is against general pro villager logic of not lynching someone super fast on day one and also very specifically at odds with his post stating:

    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    What'll it take for players to realize this is no longer true? Gabe soul read the complete fuck out of me last game. Last game, there was no speed lynch. D1 was so long that ALL of the information the villagers needed to win was contained in that day.

    Speed lynches = bad.

    Rescind lynch boog
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  36. #111
    VC

    2 - boog - (mojo, rong) L-3
    1 - mojo - (drew)
    1 - jkds - (wuf)


    not voting - gabe, lilrascal, luco, boog, jkds

    9 alive, 5 to lynch
    Deadline Monday 8pm UK, 2pm EST, 27 hr 15 mins from this post

    (pfft, since when is EST 6 hrs behind us? Put your fucking clocks forward, dickheads)


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    I would like to clarify the quoting role pm rule.

    When claiming, you may quote the text above the image only, ie your animal, role and alignment.

    DO NOT POST YOUR IMAGE.

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  38. #113
    jkds or boog, makes no difference. theyre both wolves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    I don't get this, wuf has played exactly like wuf does every game imo.
    At the time of that post:
    I saw a thread not clogged with a pointless speculative conversation about mechanics.
    I had read the exchange between rascal and wuf as an actual conversation and not wuf stubbornly pushing a point.

    Since that post:
    I agree with wuf about boog, and JKDS is on my radar. There's some resonance with my reads and wuf's.

    Maybe wuf's head cold is dulling his sense of bravado.
    Whatever the cause, I'm not reading him as manipulative or indirect.
  40. #115
    For the most part, I'm in agreement with what Rong has posted. As MMM has pointed out above in #114, I don't think this appears to be a normal wuf game.

    Arguably, I only have a small sample size, but meta can be abused whereas tone and real time interaction are harder to fake as a wolf.
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  41. #116
    Here's where I stand right now, in order from vilageryness to wolfiness:

    Villas:
    lilrascal
    Wuf
    MMM
    Rong


    Neutral:
    Luco
    BID
    Gabe


    Wolves:
    Boog
    JKDS


    As always, I'll continue to reassess and adjust my reads as necessary.
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  42. #117
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    At the time of that post:
    I saw a thread not clogged with a pointless speculative conversation about mechanics.
    I had read the exchange between rascal and wuf as an actual conversation and not wuf stubbornly pushing a point.

    Since that post:
    I agree with wuf about boog, and JKDS is on my radar. There's some resonance with my reads and wuf's.

    Maybe wuf's head cold is dulling his sense of bravado.
    Whatever the cause, I'm not reading him as manipulative or indirect.
    good nooz fellas! i must be a changed man, because i started typing up some shit attacking this assessment of me, but deleted it.

    y'all gonna be wishing for old wuf eventually. youse gonna be like "wah wah we want that wacky wavy inflatable flailing wufman back wah wah".
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    good nooz fellas! i must be a changed man, because i started typing up some shit attacking this assessment of me, but deleted it.

    y'all gonna be wishing for old wuf eventually. youse gonna be like "wah wah we want that wacky wavy inflatable flailing wufman back wah wah".
    I'm liking this style from you better. The other style that I've seen from you was a distraction for the village and made it hard to find wolves IMO.
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    ok so i just absorbed all the posts and i concluded the exact opposite. i dont think jkds or boog are likely to be wolves. the fact that wuf thinks they are good targets confirms that they are NOT good targets. wuf never gets it right early

    wuf being the first to ask for clarifications on specials is slightly wolfy. also the fact that his conclusions are in such contrast to my unbiased review make me think we should kill him. i see rascal agrees with him but i like rascals style. he can be wrong but seems to try to get the bottom of things instead of let his ego do all the work

    i think MMM's initial post was wolfy but i also thought luco's MMM move looked wolfier. luco's sarcasm is funny but makes me think hes hiding something. also luco hasnt posted since rascal told him he lacked substance. i think these things are the recipe for a good day 1 lynch. wuf will have plenty of time to show his colors

    lynch luco
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    I'm actually on with a Luco lynch. I prefer boog but I don't mind Luco.
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    boog did post a contradiction but i can see where as a villager he would make those posts. its not like he was a wolf who had to say those things. he just did it because he felt it. sometimes when the pace of the game is fast, the wolves will end up in spots like this (where the village forces them to slip). but theres no reason here on day 1 he would make such a glaring contradiction as a wolf. maybe a complete newb but not him
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    ok so i just absorbed all the posts and i concluded the exact opposite. i dont think jkds or boog are likely to be wolves. the fact that wuf thinks they are good targets confirms that they are NOT good targets. wuf never gets it right early

    wuf being the first to ask for clarifications on specials is slightly wolfy. also the fact that his conclusions are in such contrast to my unbiased review make me think we should kill him. i see rascal agrees with him but i like rascals style. he can be wrong but seems to try to get the bottom of things instead of let his ego do all the work

    i think MMM's initial post was wolfy but i also thought luco's MMM move looked wolfier. luco's sarcasm is funny but makes me think hes hiding something. also luco hasnt posted since rascal told him he lacked substance. i think these things are the recipe for a good day 1 lynch. wuf will have plenty of time to show his colors

    lynch luco
    You make some good points on Luco. On reread, he looks a bit worse than where I have him now. Still not sure if I'd put him in my wolf pile yet, but he goes to the bottom of my neutral pile.

    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    I'm actually on with a Luco lynch. I prefer boog but I don't mind Luco.
    I agree with Rong here.

    I prefer Boog today, but I can support a Luco lynch at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    boog did post a contradiction but i can see where as a villager he would make those posts. its not like he was a wolf who had to say those things. he just did it because he felt it. sometimes when the pace of the game is fast, the wolves will end up in spots like this (where the village forces them to slip). but theres no reason here on day 1 he would make such a glaring contradiction as a wolf. maybe a complete newb but not him
    It's not just the contradiction that bothers me. He seems to be trying to go with the flow with his votes, which as a wolf he would do.

    My bigger problem with him is that he's changed up his vote without reasons and got us within 1 vote of a MAJ.
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  49. #124
    jkds is a wolf. in every non-wolf game he plays, he has opinions about the goings on and about a variety of players. in this game he has only had an opinion on mmm.

    boog or gabe are good picks for his buddies. boog is almost twtbaw, but it still syncs.
  50. #125
    the twtbaw doesnt necessarily hold up. me and daven did some very twtbaw last game

    i think jkds is a wolf and boog countered his growing wagon. as simple as that.
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    ok sure wuf, jkds does that every game, but its day 1 and he hasnt met your requirement yet? hes wolf hunting, and the person hes locked in on has appeared wolfy.

    re: boog. i think most of the guys in this player pool arent that spewy, and TWTBAW applies to them on day 1. boog is one of them (ong, you, keith would not be). its more likely hes just a villager who thought the same things that he posted, rather than be a wolf who crafted such a contradiction for his strategy
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    and btw "spewy" doesnt mean bad. just means you think you could get away with more tricky stuff. and u 3 arent the only ones
  53. #128
    i compared jkds d1 behavior in his last two games to this one. i sat on this read long enough for jkds to do what he normally does on d1.

    mmm didnt do much wolfy. go look in the sign up thread, where he said lynch wuf cause it's wolfy not to.

    boog's hard defense of jkds looks just too much. not only did boog contradict his position strategically to bold mmm, but he went out of his way to claim his earlier comments about jkds (like "he's a wolf trying to fast-lynch mmm") were not serious. boog always opens with bolding jkds, but that's not what this is about.
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    mmm's logic isn't even as bad as boog says. count me as not buying it when he says "mmm is a logical person and that jkds bold is not logical".
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    I think boogs mmm vote is actually villagery in that it so clearly contradicts his earlier post, not sure he would do that as a wolf on d1 when it's frankly piss easy to be consistent.
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    So twtbaw? I can't believe that's even a thing.
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    This whole twatball argument is crap.

    We can agree that we're dealing with unknowns and talk about ranges and averages.
    A person's behavior is in their wolf-range or village-range, with plenty of marginal area.

    Calling something TWTBAW is like saying, well, it's off the charts in their wolf range, so it's looped back around.

    Seems hard to distinguish from double-speak.
    "I said it was wolfy, didn't I?" Well, you said it was wolfy, AND you said it wasn't.

    This is two opposing reads in one.

    Sure D1 reads should be soft, but not contradictory.

    Can we get rid of the twatball?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    ok so i just absorbed all the posts and i concluded the exact opposite. i dont think jkds or boog are likely to be wolves. the fact that wuf thinks they are good targets confirms that they are NOT good targets. wuf never gets it right early


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    Mmm, has the wuf above made you rethink the policy lynch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    This whole twatball argument is crap.

    We can agree that we're dealing with unknowns and talk about ranges and averages.
    A person's behavior is in their wolf-range or village-range, with plenty of marginal area.

    Calling something TWTBAW is like saying, well, it's off the charts in their wolf range, so it's looped back around.

    Seems hard to distinguish from double-speak.
    "I said it was wolfy, didn't I?" Well, you said it was wolfy, AND you said it wasn't.

    This is two opposing reads in one.

    Sure D1 reads should be soft, but not contradictory.

    Can we get rid of the twatball?
    twatball is when you see someone do something that at first glance seems wolfy, but then its so wolfy that more than likely YOU are forgetting to think of something which ties it all together. the logic does "loop back around" but its not just magic. its advancing your own thinking with more information

    im saying thats whats going on with boog and jkds

    wuf, where did mmm say that to you in a sign up thread? i didnt see it...
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    Quote Originally Posted by rong View Post
    Mmm, has the wuf above made you rethink the policy lynch?
    I feel like this is a trick question, but I'm not seeing the trick.

    Yes. It is.

    This is a wuf showing none of the signs that get under my skin and invoke the policy.
    He's not doing that bullying thing (it's not really bullying, but you know what I mean).
    He's dropping reads and giving reasons.

    He MAY be tunneling on JKDS/boog... but I'm suspicious of them as well.

    Tunneling isn't always bad, when it's done to gain info or gain a read. At a certain point, though, single-minded drilling can be bad for the village (re. baud/ong last game).

    Wuf is agreeing with me and has even defended me, which is making me WIFOM over the role indication of that.
    It does make it harder to disagree with him when he's jiving so much with what I'm seeing.

    That reminds me of baudib's wolf-game. Is wuf capable of it? IDK.

    He's certainly playing well out of anything I recognize. It's just that it seems that spewing for wuf may be to play a straight-forward villager game. WIFOM.

    I would not like to vote for him today. All I have to be suspect is that he seems cooperative and helpful. I don't want to punish that behavior with a D1 lynch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    lynch wuf

    'cause it's wolfy not to.
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    twatball is when you see someone do something that at first glance seems wolfy, but then its so wolfy that more than likely YOU are forgetting to think of something which ties it all together. the logic does "loop back around" but its not just magic. its advancing your own thinking with more information

    im saying thats whats going on with boog and jkds

    wuf, where did mmm say that to you in a sign up thread? i didnt see it...
    I agree with you on the TWTBAW in that it does happen.

    Regarding MMM's statement/vote on Wuf, it's actually MMM's first post in this game (quoted above).

    I feel like this game I'm just defending other people. But, I don't want to lose because we took the easy lynch on D1. In a 9-er game we can't afford many mislynches and should be voting people that are wolfy.

    I think boog is the better lynch today and I'm ready to stand behind that read. If he comes back in the thread to convince me he's villa, then I'll reassess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    wuf, where did mmm say that to you in a sign up thread? i didnt see it...
    it was in the cancelled one.

    http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerfo...17#post2232317

    i was going to post it earlier, but kept it to myself since it's better that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Can we get rid of the twatball?
    from some perspectives, wolves only wolf near the mean of the range of what is wolfy behavior. this is because they tend to think before they act whereas villagers dont as often. all in all, villagers probably wolf harder than wolves do, because villagers aren't trying to look not wolfy while wolves are trying to look villagery.

    twtbaw doesn't always stack up though. i think the idea has merit when considered well, not when used as a broad brush
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    @gabe: Fine. If that's what you meant (re. twatball), then I am with you.

    It does give me pause about JKDS. Nothing about his case really seems different than he and I doing our head-butts. It's just that usually it happens on D2 or D3. It's another thing that is out of character.

    It's unusual for him to make a case on D1, but it's not necessarily sinister*.
    He says it was based on a misread, and he's dropped the offensive, so I believe him.
    I don't see JKDS pulling out after seemingly going all-in as a wolf; I believe he has more foresight than to trip over his own feet on D1.

    **
    Boog is another matter, though. That's more than a misread.
    That could easily be a wolf ploy to set up a villager to drop the hammer.

    The rescind came after he got heat for it, meaning he gave it a chance to work before taking it back.

    ***
    On the "lynch wuf 'cause it's wolfy not to"
    It's in the sign-up thread for rilla's game that was cancelled.

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    Commune game?

    In.

    Lynch wuf 'cause it's wolfy not to.
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    I'm a careful wolf that hates posting in real-time due to an increased likelihood of mistakes. The inconsistency was dumb and I recognized it. I retracted my vote though I still have my suspicions on MMM. I hate using the defense others used for me so I'll just stick to me being a LOT more paranoid and careful when I'm a wolf.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    boog's hard defense of jkds looks just too much. not only did boog contradict his position strategically to bold mmm, but he went out of his way to claim his earlier comments about jkds (like "he's a wolf trying to fast-lynch mmm") were not serious. boog always opens with bolding jkds, but that's not what this is about.
    My hard defense of JKDS is too much? Wait, which one?
    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    I disagree with both. I see nothing out of the norm from JKDS. His argument against you is far-fetched, I'll agree with you there, but it's day 1 and there's not much to go off of. Shit'll be far-fetched.
    You must obviously mean this one. What about this is too much? Why exaggerate and link JKDS and I with some weak shit?
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    ok well the main reason i was suspicious of mmm is pretty much voided by that. i do think he says alot of nothing though. but he seems like the type to "reach" for the sake of posting

    the TWTBAF thing isnt really a concept ive used before but it basically describes the same thing im feeling for boog

    im staying on luco. also the others will probably be easier to assess later. luco lays in the cut often
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    The fact that Wuf played with me last game and knows how paranoid/careful/purposeful I am as a wolf AND chooses to ignore it kills me.
    its obvious to me. wuf and rascal are stuck level 1

    people are repeatedly surprised by wuf's logic but hes just pretty much always wrong (and maybe doing some of it to get reads)
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    i shouldnt say "obvious" but its a good enough read that im not snap lynching boog because of it
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    My hard defense of JKDS is too much? Wait, which one?You must obviously mean this one. What about this is too much? Why exaggerate and link JKDS and I with some weak shit?
    it was something else. i went back and looked at it and it's weak. i thought the timing was different

    The fact that Wuf played with me last game and knows how paranoid/careful/purposeful I am as a wolf AND chooses to ignore it kills me.
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    its obvious to me. wuf and rascal are stuck level 1

    people are repeatedly surprised by wuf's logic but hes just pretty much always wrong (and maybe doing some of it to get reads)
    y'all niggas aint reading my posts then

    my case for boog hinges mostly on jkds being a wolf. boogs other wolfy stuff is mostly twtbaw and i dont much care about it.

    what i think is that jkds is a wolf because reads, and boog may be his buddy based on his behavior regarding jkds. the level oneness about it is because both me and daven did the same thing in the last game, and if jkds is a wolf, the probability that a player would do what boog did increases a lot.

    my only concern now is that jkds has played d1 markedly differently than his other d1s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    it was something else. i went back and looked at it and it's weak. i thought the timing was different
    Ah, OK, so you agree that the "hard defense" you saw isn't actually there, huh? You thought the timing was different. OK, cool.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    my case for boog hinges mostly on jkds being a wolf. boogs other wolfy stuff is mostly twtbaw and i dont much care about it.

    what i think is that jkds is a wolf because reads, and boog may be his buddy based on his behavior regarding jkds. the level oneness about it is because both me and daven did the same thing in the last game, and if jkds is a wolf, the probability that a player would do what boog did increases a lot.
    My behavior regarding JKDS? Again, what behavior? You JUST said (IN THE SAME POST) that this hard defending thing you conjured up in your head was weak.

    You say earlier in your post that you went back and it looked weak. Yet, in the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH, you manage to link JKDS and I again. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    You're being extremely vague about your suspicions of me and my link to JKDS. Why so vague? Put this link into words, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    Ah, OK, so you agree that the "hard defense" you saw isn't actually there, huh? You thought the timing was different. OK, cool.
    My behavior regarding JKDS? Again, what behavior? You JUST said (IN THE SAME POST) that this hard defending thing you conjured up in your head was weak.

    You say earlier in your post that you went back and it looked weak. Yet, in the VERY NEXT PARAGRAPH, you manage to link JKDS and I again. Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

    You're being extremely vague about your suspicions of me and my link to JKDS. Why so vague? Put this link into words, please.
    the "hard defend" was one specific line that was never any crux to your relationship with jkds. that relationship is jumping on mmm after jkds started getting bolds. this jumping on mmm includes logic that i dont think is that great as well as that direct contradiction to what you said not too much earlier about not wagoning mmm. this suggests that if jkds is a wolf, you could have preemptively tried to deflect (a smart thing to do in a small game). it's not outside your style either. granted i dont think it's the most likely scenario there ever was.

    the "hard defend" i was referring to just when it seemed out of the blue you said "disregard things i said about jkds, i was joking". when looking back it wasnt so out of the blue, so it's possible you saying "lynch jkds because he jumped on mmm to easily" was actually a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    its obvious to me. wuf and rascal are stuck level 1

    people are repeatedly surprised by wuf's logic but hes just pretty much always wrong (and maybe doing some of it to get reads)
    What level should I be operating at? It's D1 of a game with a total of 147 posts and no other information.

    Often times people forget about level 1 WW and instead think everything is an FPS. Forgetting about level 1 WW is what probably cost the village the game in the Varchertine's Werewolf Game. Level 1 would have lynched us a wolf and totally changed the game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BooG690 View Post
    I'm a careful wolf that hates posting in real-time due to an increased likelihood of mistakes. The inconsistency was dumb and I recognized it. I retracted my vote though I still have my suspicions on MMM. I hate using the defense others used for me so I'll just stick to me being a LOT more paranoid and careful when I'm a wolf.


    The fact that Wuf played with me last game and knows how paranoid/careful/purposeful I am as a wolf AND chooses to ignore it kills me.
    My hard defense of JKDS is too much? Wait, which one?You must obviously mean this one. What about this is too much? Why exaggerate and link JKDS and I with some weak shit?
    Regarding the bolded above: Is this why you're not wanting to react to me in realtime?

    I agree it's harder for a wolf to react in real-time, which is why I keep trying to interact with people.

    So far, those that have chosen to interact in real-time with me have come off villa imo.
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