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    MMM's first post looks like standard villager MMM.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    That actually could be JKDS playing dumb in regards to wolf numbers. JKDS should be assuming two wolves.

    Back on the list you go.

    lynch jkds

    (edited failed bold tags)
    Im not wrong on numbers. All I meant was that it would be sick if both wolves were in that list of three.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Locking on? I'm asking you questions, which you're doing a poor job of answering. You're way too defensive, I mean it's not like it would come as a surprise to you that I'm pressing.

    That dismissal puts you firmly as my prime suspect. Its tone is to discredit me, when you had me as a villager not so long ago. If you think I'm a villager, then you'd at least understand why I'm "locking on". I would go as far as to say that I would anticipate my pressing of you after you say you think I'm a villager would further strengthen your villager read on me, because I'm not interested in how you read me, rather more interested in how honest you are. Yet you're turning on me.

    That's a defensive mechanism that is not characteristic of villager gator, who is more laid back.
    Post is weird. Seems more like a concocted post than a free-flowing one.

    lynch ong

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I think gator's posts at that time were typical methodical gator, designed to be pro-town and easy to replicate. gator defines null like no other. I think the key to reading gator is to try to get into his villager head, because trying to get into his wolf head is futile.

    He says I'm a villager. He then says baudib and mojo are villagers. I ask why he thinks baudib villager, and he suggests I'm locking on while the tone of his post suggests I'm suspicious. So despite him initially thinking I'm villager, and me doing my usual thing, he then casts doubt at me when I refuse to stop pressing him. His change of tune regarding me is a reaction to me pressing him, when he should expect me to do exactly that regardless of my alignment. gator isn't thinking "ongies gonna ong", he's thinking "shut up ong".

    Granted, I'm having to make some assumptions here about how gator thinks when he's a villager, but I honestly think that will be a more fruitful exercise than making assumptions about how he thinks when he's a wolf.
    Here too. Theres no conviction in it.
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    ??

    Oh. I see now. Yes, I agree. I am being overly meta about gabe and gator.

    Still. I have some other suspicions on baudib, but I'm not getting into them at this time.


    This post means either of two things:
    1) Ongie is V and believes I'm V and is helping me keep my head on straight.
    2) Ongie is W and knows that gabe and gator are V and wants to keep suspicion piqued.

    I'm leaning the former, but if ongie flips W, I doubt that he's overtly diverting suspicion toward gabe/gator if either of them is his buddy.


    ***
    Sorry to hear it JKDS. I hope you two can fight and make up w/o any permanent baggage.

    As per the game, though... You can't ride on excuses.
    What do you think of the baud/ong interaction?

    What do you think about my analysis in this post?
    Cliffs: He was hiding his feelings about a ton of stuff, I felt something was weird and jumped to every conclusion except the right one. I think we're good now though.

    @Baudib: eh, seems like villager baudib for the moment. Who knows though, I was gung ho on him being a wolf last game (?) and was gobsmacked that he ended up villager. I absolutely hate his playstyle, but you have to give him credit for merging his two games pretty well.

    @Ong: Im not convinced hes villa, because hes buddying me a tad and because his posts seem more contrived than gut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    rescind all
    lynch mmm
    lynch Luco


    Let's see how this plays out. Hoopy posts a vote count, then a little over an hour from there MMM throws his vote to baudib (and personally his posts after that seem very weird). He could have voted for me, but honestly Baudib is a better villager than I am so the vote make sense to me. If MMM turns out to be a wolf then Luco is a wolf like 99% of the time here.
    Rescind Gator

    Disagree on mmm though, b/c


    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    Gator 103

    Then a bit of tit for tat between gator and ong in which gator says,

    "those three" referring directly to the above quote. No context obstructed.

    MMM 134

    (note: spreadsheet is made, but the multiple votes are a new thing to deal with. No graphs even in the works as of now. Notes being taken.)

    MMM 138


    Then my post in 142, in which I drop what is objective analysis of one player and ask another player to comment on said analysis. Then Gator lynches me.

    Prior to all that, I see a lot of flip-flopping and non-committal posts from you gator. I can excuse a bit of nonsense on early D1, but we're deep enough in to be grasping at the straws that are here.

    rescind baudib

    lynch GatorJH
    lynch baudib


    Can you (gator) at least comment on my analysis vis a vis the ong post?
    This is pretty standard to how villa mmm responds to getting voted.



    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    i think your ong vote is definitely worse than random. a few posts before ong gave a reason to clear me, i thought he was doing a very good job explaining himself and seeming like a villager. i feel good about not going after him at all for now and i felt this way before i noticed him defending me

    lynch rascal
    lynch luco


    i'm going to keep these on for saying they would be inactive
    You're like baudib, in that both of you do silly things as villagers like this. You try and find reasons to convince others youre a villager, which seems correct, but its done to a point of absurdity. Like, one post from ong doesnt clear you...and its silly to think it would.

    I never really understood the point anyway, like...of course you're gonna say and argue that you're a villager.

    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    those last 2 votes are to force them into finding ways to post more

    i agree that gator's actions arent pure villagery. something is off. also the way he explained his take on the possible jkds derp-clear (love that term!) makes me suspicious of jkds. another thing is that jkds has shown in the past that he doesnt always feel compelled to participate heavily on day 1, but this time he mentioned a serious IRL issue with his fiance. the fight may be real, but i suspect jkds is more likely to post the excuse as a wolf than a villager

    lynch gator
    lynch jkds
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    Oh, and

    rescind gabe
  4. #154
    1 hour 33 minutes left!

    I'll do a votecount.
  5. #155
    Votecount 1.4

    4
    Luco - (gabe, Gator, Ong, JKDS)

    3
    Gator - (gabe, MMM, Ong)

    baudib - (BID, MMM, Ong)

    2
    MMM - (Gator, baudib)

    Ong - (JKDS, baudib)

    lilrascal - (gabe, Ong)

    1
    JKDS - (gabe)
  6. #156
    26 minutes to go!
  7. #157
    Times up!

    Luco was lynched!

    He was a Werewolf!

    2nd half of the day starts now, 48hrs to go!
  8. #158
    The Village
    BID
    gabe
    Gator
    MMM
    Ong
    JKDS
    lilrascal
    baudib

    7 Villagers
    1 Wolf

    Luco
    was lynched day 1.
  9. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    And I would have know this how?
    By reading? This wasn't the first time I said so.

    (edit - shit there's a page 3 and the lynch is done - sorry)
    Last edited by OngBonga; 08-23-2015 at 09:23 AM.
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    ongies gonna ong
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    I doubt there was any bussing on that vote.

    I'm willing to clear all 4 for the rest of the game day (at least) on the notion that bussing the first vote when there are only 2 W's is high risk / low reward play.

    ***
    I'm reading the difference in tone in ong's posts, but unlike other peeps here, I'm reading it as genuine, no-BS play. I love me some ongie, and I feel very comfortable reading his posts in this game. Usually, his bravado and propensity for FPS turns me off a bit. This game is different from him. On that account, I can't disagree. I can only say that I've seen him wolf a bunch of times and I don't feel like this determined voice fits in to that game.

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    Village:
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    gabe
    gator
    JKDS
    ong

    Wolf:
    baudib
    lilrascal


    lynch baudib
    lynch lilrascal
  11. #161
    This format is confusing me, I only just saw that it's the second half of the day. I was just about to "shush" mojo for posting after the lynch!

    Or maybe I'm pretending to be confused to play dumb. Gotta keep y'all on your toes now.
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  12. #162
    I'm no so sure about clearing people based on the idea he wouldn't be bussed. If I were his buddy, I'd be thinking that if he's not around to defend himself, I should get on the wagon in case he gets lynched. So people shouldn't consider me clear just because I voted for luco. Same, most certainly, has to be said for gator, gabe and jkds. All four of us on luco are more than capable of bussing him and then attempting to win it alone.
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  13. #163
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I'm no so sure about clearing people based on the idea he wouldn't be bussed. If I were his buddy, I'd be thinking that if he's not around to defend himself, I should get on the wagon in case he gets lynched. So people shouldn't consider me clear just because I voted for luco. Same, most certainly, has to be said for gator, gabe and jkds. All four of us on luco are more than capable of bussing him and then attempting to win it alone.
    That is a very true statement and I was actually thinking yesterday that an optimal strategy for wolves with these numbers may be just that - attack each other day 1 and try to hold on from there.

    Hoopy, do previous bolds go away after the first lynch or do they remain? In other words do I still have a vote on MMM?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    You're like baudib, in that both of you do silly things as villagers like this. You try and find reasons to convince others youre a villager, which seems correct, but its done to a point of absurdity. Like, one post from ong doesnt clear you...and its silly to think it would.
    im not sure if you understood or even read my post word for word. "Like, one post from ong doesnt clear you...and its silly to think it would" um...im saying i had cleared him before any he mentioned me

    and besides im cleared now because i voted luco

    ez game

    rescind lilrascal
    lynch jkds
    lynch gator
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Same, most certainly, has to be said for gator, gabe and jkds. All four of us on luco are more than capable of bussing him and then attempting to win it alone.
    do not agree with "most certainly." its true people can spew but i would not start off this way because it doesnt seem like a good play
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    jkds -

    Post is weird. Seems more like a concocted post than a free-flowing one.
    Incorrect. Gator accused me of locking on, when I was asking him questions. Don't you think that's weird? Read through the exchange between us again, and compare it to my early harassing of baudib in recent games. gator knows I'm capable of a much more sustained assault than what he saw there. I got the feeling he was trying to nip it in the bud, and the post you suggest isn't free-flowing was indeed a natural villager response to gator.

    Here too. Theres no conviction in it.
    You're wrong, but I think I see where you're coming from, and I think I find this reassuring, that you're genuinely trying to read me. There is conviction there, here to be precise...

    gator isn't thinking "ongies gonna ong", he's thinking "shut up ong".
    That sums up how I interpret the exchange with me, and I'm left reading gator as wolf.

    But then when I say "granted I'm making assumptions", I'm essentially making a disclaimer that can indeed be seen as a lack of conviction, which is more likely to come from wolf ong than villager ong, because as wolf I'm concerned about who gets cleared when I flip. The fact you've picked up on this is comforting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    do not agree with "most certainly." its true people can spew but i would not start off this way because it doesnt seem like a good play
    Wolves know that with two village lynches per day and two clean night kills, even a lone wolf can win d3. That's not a long time to coast on village cred for bussing. My point is that all four of us on the wagon are all more than capable ofd crunching the numbers and concluding it's a worthwhile risk, especially if it's assumed that luco won't survive because he's absent.

    bussing luco would not necessarily be "spew". I've played a 9p game as scum on MS, and bussed my only buddy on d1, even after he fakeclaimed cop. Had my n1 kill gone through, I win. When I conceded, the town was surprised it was me. If bussing on d1 is considered "spew", then it makes it a more effective sacrifice.
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  18. #168
    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    im not sure if you understood or even read my post word for word. "Like, one post from ong doesnt clear you...and its silly to think it would" um...im saying i had cleared him before any he mentioned me

    and besides im cleared now because i voted luco

    ez game

    rescind lilrascal
    lynch jkds
    lynch gator
    You are cleared because you voted for Luco. I too voted for Luco yet you vote for me. What kind of logic are you using here?
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  19. #169
    Lynch JKDS

    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  20. #170
    bussing in a 9er with no seer can absolutely be good play

    I feel like that post from JKDS soft-pushing Luco in a group of three smells fishy.
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  21. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    That is a very true statement and I was actually thinking yesterday that an optimal strategy for wolves with these numbers may be just that - attack each other day 1 and try to hold on from there.

    Hoopy, do previous bolds go away after the first lynch or do they remain? In other words do I still have a vote on MMM?
    All previous bolds disappear, voting resets.
  22. #172
    I'm out for a few hours now, but will do a fresh votecount when I get back in.
  23. #173
    Ok two gator posts that look good in retrospect...

    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    code for If I don't post much please don't lynch me.

    rescind baud
    lynch lilrascal



    Ong is heavy villager lean right now, still not sure about Baud. He seems villager, but I could easily see him targeting me day 1 then trying to make us both seem villagery.
    Here he gets on rascal's back for making excuses for inactivity. This would be a bold move if he knew luco was also a wolf, because he is practically forcing himself to bus luco when push comes to shove, he's leaving himself no leeway.

    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    rescind all
    lynch mmm
    lynch Luco


    Let's see how this plays out. Hoopy posts a vote count, then a little over an hour from there MMM throws his vote to baudib (and personally his posts after that seem very weird). He could have voted for me, but honestly Baudib is a better villager than I am so the vote make sense to me. If MMM turns out to be a wolf then Luco is a wolf like 99% of the time here.
    Here's where gator jumps on luco, and there might be something to this thought process. This looks good now luco has flipped wolf.

    rescind gator
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  24. #174
    Oh yeah I haven't actually got any votes in place. They reset.

    lynch BID
    lynch gabe
    lynch Gator
    lynch MMM
    lynch JKDS
    lynch lilrascal
    lynch baudib
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    ongies gonna ong
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    rescind gator
    rescind gabe
    rescind drew
    rescind jkds
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    ongies gonna ong
  26. #176
    I agree with gator that mojo's posts yesterday were a bit weird. I put it down to drinking.

    That said, what has alarmed me is mojo seems keen to buddy me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    mojo -
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I would also like to point out that this game is too small for us to even consider for a minute that anyone is unlynchable on d1 thanks to reputation. There is no reason not to analyse gator, or anyone else for that matter, at this stage of the game.


    ??

    Oh. I see now. Yes, I agree. I am being overly meta about gabe and gator.

    Still. I have some other suspicions on baudib, but I'm not getting into them at this time.


    This post means either of two things:
    1) Ongie is V and believes I'm V and is helping me keep my head on straight.
    2) Ongie is W and knows that gabe and gator are V and wants to keep suspicion piqued.

    I'm leaning the former, but if ongie flips W, I doubt that he's overtly diverting suspicion toward gabe/gator if either of them is his buddy.


    ***
    Sorry to hear it JKDS. I hope you two can fight and make up w/o any permanent baggage.

    As per the game, though... You can't ride on excuses.
    What do you think of the baud/ong interaction?

    What do you think about my analysis in this post?
    The langauge in the bullet points is curious. He's basically given me two options. One involves both of us being villager, the other involves me being wolf. This feels like pychological manipulation, a weapon I would expect mojo to have in his arsenal. I don't see the point of him reminding me that I considered him villager, if indeed he is a villager. Why can't I be a villager who is suspicious of mojo's attempt to move the lynch away from high status players like gator and gabe? Why doesn't mojo consider that is what I was getting at?

    It really doesn't feel natural to summarise in this manner, and I'm left thinking mojo is pychologically trying to link my status as villager to his, in my mind. A clever attempt at buddying.
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    I like ong now.

    Lynch Rascal
    Lynch Gabe

    Rascal hasnt cleared himself, and gabes way too eager to lynch people that lynched a wolf and not eager enough in clearing people based on it.
  28. #178
    I really don't think wolfgabe would be bad enough to claim to be cleared as a result of luco's flip, and then vote for two people who lynched luco, especially if he bussed luco knowing he'd have to go it alone. If luco was bussed, then the last wolf is confident in his ability to win it. If gabe is a wolf, he's not thinking about who he votes for and why, which is not what I expect from a wolf who just bussed his only buddy.
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    Eh. Way I see it, its unlikely anyone on luco's wagon are wolves. If anyone is though, its those in the back. Im happy about you and gator though, so gabe gets to go on. That + feelings = lynch!

    Of those not on the wagon, I like MMM and BID. Both seem standard villagery. Baudib im unsure about, and he should probably be on my list because of that.
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    You know, its ballsy for a wolf to narrow his list down to two people that voted a wolf though. Maybe thats more genuine feelings than I thought.
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    gabe doesn't have an air of confidence about him, he's not trying to take control of the game, he's not saying the right things to solidify the village cred he gets from being on luco's wagon. If gabe is a wolf, he's spewing. Bussing luco would be viable only if the lone wolf is willing to make the most of the v cred he's getting. A half assed "I'm clear" while voting for others who were on the wagon is not a wolf trying to take control of the game. It's someone who isn't thinking about what he's doing to the level required for a lone wolf to win.

    He's villager.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I agree with gator that mojo's posts yesterday were a bit weird. I put it down to drinking.

    That said, what has alarmed me is mojo seems keen to buddy me up.



    The langauge in the bullet points is curious. He's basically given me two options. One involves both of us being villager, the other involves me being wolf. This feels like pychological manipulation, a weapon I would expect mojo to have in his arsenal. I don't see the point of him reminding me that I considered him villager, if indeed he is a villager. Why can't I be a villager who is suspicious of mojo's attempt to move the lynch away from high status players like gator and gabe? Why doesn't mojo consider that is what I was getting at?

    It really doesn't feel natural to summarise in this manner, and I'm left thinking mojo is pychologically trying to link my status as villager to his, in my mind. A clever attempt at buddying.
    I always buddy you up at the start of the game. You're one of my favorite peeps to play with, and I always want to V with you ever since you pwned me in that game with keybored. I've called you out multiple times mid-game for not playing a straight-forward, no FPS game when the Village needs you.

    The language is me trying to figure you out. I know I'm V, so it's your perspective that I'm reading.
    In the first proposition, you believe I'm V, and you're helping another V keep the distractions out of the game.
    In the second proposition, you're not a V, and you know I'm V, and you're only stopping me from offering them V-cred because you know they're V's and want all V's to remain suspect. I don't see why you'd so subtly yet directly point this out to me if one of them is a W with you.

    I don't see what's weird. If there's a third option that I'm not seeing, then by all means add to it.

    @ong: You're voting for 3 people. Myself and the two people I'm voting for. Does this make sense to you?

    ***
    I always look for V's to work with on D1, and I had chosen ong and BID as early village core. This is largely unchanged.

    Now I'm convinced that gabe is V, too. I have more experience with gabe (I only wolfed once and it was with him). I believe that he's not interested in bussing or any FPS for FPS sake. If he's going off the charts, it's motivated by a strong reason. That reason is not lacking in his own confidence to play this game well. That reason is something like, "I hate to do it, but you've left me absolutely no choice but to vote you. There's no way I wouldn't as a V." What did Luco do that left gabe absolutely no choice? I don't see it.

    I want to see BID keep up the pace he set so far, as him disappearing once there's something to lie about is suspicious.


    I strongly believe there are 3 V's in { BID, gabe, ong }


    I don't know what gator is doing, but it doesn't look like hunting to me. Still, his vote on Luco when Luco wasn't under any real pressure earns him my respect for this voting cycle at least.

    JKDS ... /feels/ ... villagery to me. I don't see the case on him.


    baudib has struck me as inquisitive at the wrong things and more like he's spreading soft opinions all over the place rather than commit to some real reads. (I have been tunneling on him a bit, and if I've missed something, then please remind me.)

    rascal may indeed have IRL business keeping him away, but that still leaves him showing little evidence of hunting.
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    @ong: You're voting for 3 people. Myself and the two people I'm voting for. Does this make sense to you?
    Yes, of course. There's only one wolf left to find. Think about it for a little longer.
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  34. #184
    What has alarmed with with baudib is twice (at least) I've seen him vote for someone just after they were given villager status by someone else. That struck me as potentially someone who wants to minimise the impact that leading villagers have. He also seemed to think the game was heavily village sided. I wouldn't know how town-sided the game is because I don't know what power roles exist. Maybe if I were a wolf with luco, who I knew was going to get lynched, I'd be in a different frame of mind.
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  35. #185
    I think I'll be problematic to have around at F5 so you can lynch me now.
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  36. #186
    Why do you think the game is town sided baudib? You should elaborate on that.
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  37. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Possibly. He's definitely capable of creative wolf plays. I initially rescinded him from my list because his first post was very much of his villager character. He can be a little awkward to settle in as wolf, although he's as good a wolf as any so I wouldn't rely on that read alone. Here, he was quick to take a pop at baudib, echoing my thoughts about him. jkds' villager game is like a better more refined version of mine. We're similar in the way we analyse things, he's just a lot more concise.
    Time for me to catch up on this game. I literally LOL'd when I read the bolded underlined above. Who's not more concise in their posting than you with the exception of wufwugy?
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  38. #188
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    Why would you lean villager with baudib on d1, who you yourself acknowledge is hard to figure out?
    I agree with this. It's too early to make a read on baudib yet.
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  39. #189
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    I don't think so. I was burnt out and sat out the last few games.
    Ok, I didn't think so, but I've seen you're name mentioned before. FWIW, I like to interact to get reads on people and I'm not into the hyper-meta that's on this site. My style has taken some getting used to for everyone on this site and in my first game here I got mislynched as an un-CC'd angel.
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  40. #190
    I think our best move today is to lynch MMM.
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  41. #191
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Gator feels light-hearted and game solvey.
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    gator went from methodical to irritated and defensive in an instant.
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    oh
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    You don't think that gator getting irritated so early on is noteworthy?
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    I think when Gator does his "love you, Ong" thing he's in a good mood.
    baudib are you serious about this last quote? If so, then gator is either very easy to read or can exploit that "light-hearted" feeling very easily.
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  42. #192
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    I think our best move today is to lynch MMM.
    I'm still catching up, but why MMM?
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  43. #193
    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I have never seen ong play such a relentless village game this early on D1. If this is a ruse, early vote for most improved wolf... which is saying something, 'cause ong has had some stellar wolf games.

    I've been dreaming of a game where ong would just put his nose to the grind and hunt with me, and maybe this is that game.

    I've been working and drinking and now I'm slightly hung over. I have yet to make my spreadsheet, so I haven't started taking notes yet.

    BID/ong looking like village as of now. I want to get my sheet made and go back over the thread by end of day (IRL day). My head is still a bit fuzzy.

    ***
    @Hoopy

    How long 'till first lynch, please?
    Maybe it's the drinking that you mentioned, but I'm confused by what you're saying here.

    In the first post you hint that this this game may be ong being "most improved wolf", then you put him in your list of two likely villas.

    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    FYP

    You have too much chatter and barely anything which denotes actual investigation.
    Your bolds are on me and ong (whom I'm reading as V).


    lynch baudib

    ***
    I think the votes on gabe/gator are strange to say the least, since the odds of either of them getting lynched are minimal, given our meta. Wolves drive a gabe lynch on D1. If gator has the rep he has, then taking him out on D1 when rand dictates that he's more likely V than W is pretty bad form.
    This post makes less sense than the other one. Everyone is more likely to rand V than W.

    You don't want to push a lynch on gator or gabe because of their rep, but you vote baudib. This makes no sense to me.
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  44. #194
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    rescind all
    lynch mmm
    lynch Luco


    Let's see how this plays out. Hoopy posts a vote count, then a little over an hour from there MMM throws his vote to baudib (and personally his posts after that seem very weird). He could have voted for me, but honestly Baudib is a better villager than I am so the vote make sense to me. If MMM turns out to be a wolf then Luco is a wolf like 99% of the time here.
    Because since the 2nd half of this turned out to be correct I believe the first part is as well.
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  45. #195
    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    MMM's first post looks like standard villager MMM.



    Im not wrong on numbers. All I meant was that it would be sick if both wolves were in that list of three.



    Post is weird. Seems more like a concocted post than a free-flowing one.

    lynch ong



    Here too. Theres no conviction in it.


    Cliffs: He was hiding his feelings about a ton of stuff, I felt something was weird and jumped to every conclusion except the right one. I think we're good now though.

    @Baudib: eh, seems like villager baudib for the moment. Who knows though, I was gung ho on him being a wolf last game (?) and was gobsmacked that he ended up villager. I absolutely hate his playstyle, but you have to give him credit for merging his two games pretty well.

    @Ong: Im not convinced hes villa, because hes buddying me a tad and because his posts seem more contrived than gut.
    Please explain this last sentence. Why would you feel someone's posting being more contrived than from the gut be a villa read?

    I'm getting villa vibes from ong and they don't seem contrived to me. This is such an awkward statement for you to make.
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  46. #196
    Quote Originally Posted by GatorJH View Post
    Because since the 2nd half of this turned out to be correct I believe the first part is as well.
    Ok. LOL.

    I like your style.
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  47. #197
    I'm taking my wife out for dinner. I'll catch up on the rest of the thread this evening.
    I may grow old, but I refuse to grow up.
  48. #198
    Votecount 1.5

    3
    lilrascal - (MMM, Ong, JKDS)

    2
    MMM - (Gator, Ong)

    baudib - (MMM, Ong)

    1
    JKDS - (baudib)

    gabe - (JKDS)
  49. #199
    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Maybe it's the drinking that you mentioned, but I'm confused by what you're saying here.

    In the first post you hint that this this game may be ong being "most improved wolf", then you put him in your list of two likely villas.
    I think the point he was making is that the perceived improvement in my wolf game is too much, and thus I'm a villager. He's right, I mean this is how I wish I played when I'm a wolf. My strength as a wolf is in strategy, but I suck at acting like a villager when I'm not one, at least here where people know me so well. For me to be a wolf, I've really got hold of that problem, and I think that mojo is suggesting that he doesn't think I'm up to it (which I agree with).
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    ongies gonna ong
  50. #200
    I think mojo is town. The drunk posts make little sense, and I'm kind of thinking that mojo wouldn't post at all as wolf if he was drunk, because I think he's a bad liar, and not a risk taker, while he's incredibly smart, and a team player. So as drunk wolf, he'd be concerned that he might make a mistake and fuck it up for the team. Villagers have no concern about making a mistake.
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    ongies gonna ong
  51. #201
    rescind mojo
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    ongies gonna ong
  52. #202
    Bad liar sounds like an insult.

    Naturally honest is probably more complimentary.
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  53. #203
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Maybe it's the drinking that you mentioned, but I'm confused by what you're saying here.

    In the first post you hint that this this game may be ong being "most improved wolf", then you put him in your list of two likely villas.
    The "If this is a ruse," part clears up the confusion. As in, I don't think this is even in his playbook to do as a wolf. If it is, then he's dramatically improved his game, which is already very good.

    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    This post makes less sense than the other one. Everyone is more likely to rand V than W.

    You don't want to push a lynch on gator or gabe because of their rep, but you vote baudib. This makes no sense to me.
    I didn't say that I don't want to push a lynch, I said that I think those lynches are unlikely to go to EOD, given those guy's reputations. No serious cases were made against anyone, but votes were there. I was questioning the reasoning behind those votes and trying to encourage consolidation of the votes.

    Everyone is more likely to rand V than W, obv. So when the players with the strongest reps, like gabe and gator, catch heat on D1 before they've had any chance to bag a wolf, in my experience, there's a wolf or two making that happen. Especially when there's no case or discussion.

    baudib's rep is OK, but it's not all that.

    He can clog the thread with random nonsense regardless of role, and he can get abusive to other villagers when he's not being followed. He can get lynched because of his first three posts in a game as a W (that was a while ago).
    None of which is really why I'm voting him. This is just his rep, from my POV.
  54. #204
    I feel like this is between baudib and rascal.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  55. #205
    baudib looks wolfier but I expect rascal to be a solid wolf, and I don't have experience reading him like everyone else. Plus I suck at reading baudib.

    So yeah I'm straight up 50-50 between the two, and if it's neither, well I guess I'm glaring at gator again. I'm giving him v points because his luco vote looks legit, but gator is such a good wolf blah fucking blah. I'll never stop being paranoid about him.
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    ongies gonna ong
  56. #206
    I think the way to deal with gator is thus...

    If everyone looks like a villager, kill gator first.
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    ongies gonna ong
  57. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I think the way to deal with gator is thus...

    If everyone looks like a villager, kill gator first.
    This is so funny. I just read your last two votes to my wife because they were awesome.
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  58. #208
    I don't have a very good feel for this game but I'm a little mystified why everyone is reading JKDS as villa.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  59. #209
    Lynch MMM
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  60. #210
    MMM's posts are straight up garbage.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  61. #211
    I think Rascal is good btw.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  62. #212
    Incidentally, BID has totally disappeared.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  63. #213
    Once again baudib throws shit at someone who just got a glowing reference.

    baudib doesn't seem to like the idea of process of eilimination.
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  64. #214
    Once again, Ong is being a moron. he's a villager.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  65. #215
    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I haven't read a post after MMM's comment about missing dhubs and I won't until late tonight EST.
    drew's last post was just over six hours ago, and he said he'd be back late.

    baudib is just throwing shit at everyone here in an attempt to keep lynch options open.

    If you're a villager baudib, I swear to fucking god you do wolfy shit deliberately.
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    ongies gonna ong
  66. #216
    Rescind JKDS
    lynch JKDS
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  67. #217
    Ong if you're a villager you'll be 0 for 5 in reading me. It's kind of hilarious.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  68. #218
    rescind rascal
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  69. #219
    I think Gator and Gabe are both villagers, but they shouldn't both be alive tomorrow. Recalibrate accordingly if they are.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  70. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    I think Gator and Gabe are both villagers, but they shouldn't both be alive tomorrow. Recalibrate accordingly if they are.
    This is a wolf who's already decided to nom me.
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    ongies gonna ong
  71. #221
    oh, you got me.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  72. #222
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    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  73. #223
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Once again, Ong is being a moron. he's a villager.
    I ask anyone who cares to look at my posts in comparison to baudib's. How hard is baudib looking for villagers? He says rascal is good, while giving no idication as to why he thinks this. He says gabe and gator are villagers but one should die tonight, when I'm easily the most obvious nom because I'm spewing my villager role so hard.

    Meanwhile, I explain clearly why I think people are villagers. I might be wrong, but at least I explain myself. baudib hasn't a clue why people are townreading jkds? Well try reading the post where I explain my townread on him. When I think someone is actually trying to figre out my alignment, I tend to assume they are town. Maybe he's a wolf who's being smart, jkds is capable so it's not out of the question. But he's given me reason to think he's a villager.

    You haven't.

    You call me a moron. I call you a wolf or a very bad villager.
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    ongies gonna ong
  74. #224
    Well I'm probably voting for a wolf, and you aren't. we'll see.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  75. #225
    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Well I'm probably voting for a wolf, and you aren't. we'll see.
    Yeah well you're getting lynched, and I'm getting nommed. So we'll see.
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