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    Default Congratz to the village of Vikings, Gods and Giants

    Not JKDS though. He had a super secret losing condition where he loses automatically.

    Keith, a vanilla villager, shot Day 1
    OngBonga, a wolf day vig, lynched Day 1
    Monstrman, a village vig, killed Night 1
    Keybored, a vanilla villager, killed Night 1
    BankItDrew, a village seer, killed Night 1
    Boog, a vanilla villager, lynched Day 2
    MadMojoMonkey, a vanilla villager, killed Night 2
    Rong, a vanilla villager, lynched Day 3
    Hoopy, a wolf JOAT, killed night 3
    lilrascal, a village half-angel, lynched Day 4
    daven, a vanilla villager, killed Night 4
    gabe, wolf, lynched Day 5


    The Living
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    JKDS
    You are Loki. You were born a frost giant but raised on Asgard as a son of Odin and the brother of Thor.

    On night 0, you get a true affiliation peek. On each night thereafter, you may choose to be vig or bulletproof. Vig shot is 50% base while bulletproof gives you 150% protection vs. vig shots and 50% protection vs. wolf nom.

    You appear to be vanilla villager to any seer.

    Your win conditions are as follows:

    As a neutral, you share the win if you are alive when the wolves achieve parity or if all wolves are eliminated. You will be the sole winner of the game if you reach a final 3 with 1 villager and 1 wolf.

    You may choose to side with either the wolves or the villagers before start of day 3 as long as 1 wolf and 2 villagers are dead, but you will then become vanilla!

    You may develop other abilities as the game progresses.

    wuf

    You are Heimdall, the guardian of the Rainbow Bridge and the watcher of a trillion souls.

    You are a tracker. Once per night, you may learn who another player targeted.

    You are also a targeter. Once per day, you may mark 2 players for death. Your blessing will increase their chance of dying by +50%.

    You are a villager and win when all threats to the village are eliminated.

    Luco

    You are Princess Aslaug, the second wife of Ragnar Lothbrok. You are a mystic and not much of a fighter, but pretty awesome and hot nonetheless.

    You are a vanilla villager. You are the heart of the game and your vote is your weapon.

    You may acquire new abilities as the game progresses.

    You win when all threats to the village are eliminated.
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    For the curious, here's what my pic looks like

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    GG guys. I'm glad the villas could pull out the win.

    I'm assuming the SK and wolf both targeted Daven on N4.
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    gg rascal pls play again and sorry i got too drunk to fight for you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    gg rascal pls play again and sorry i got too drunk to fight for you
    Thanks and I plan to play again without the posting limits.

    No reason to be sorry on your part, as I said in the game thread mislynches happen, it's a part of werewolf.

    I was drinking at the time also.
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    I'd like to think JKDS hit daven last night, while gabe didn't hit anyone because he knows he loses if it gets to 1 v 1 v 1.

    gg village, you bunch of wankers.
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    I did shoot daven. Gabe shot him too. It was weird for me, since Gabe had a 50/50 shot of hitting me or my target.
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    Suck on these villager balls ong!
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    Where be the secret threads! LOKI DEMANDS SECRETS
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    GG y'all. Thanks mods.

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    I shot keith because I thought I would get away with it. I kind of did, I mean it took down the seer and the vig, as well as keith himself, and I could've taken one more out had I not been out at deadline.

    JKDS you could still win this, you just had to get a villager lynched. I'm surprised you didn't try, you have the ability to claim loki to stop your lynch if it backfires.
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    It was my understanding that I had to reach day with 1v-1w-1loki. If I could win at night that way before shots, then whoops. I coulda totally bs-ed and lynched wuf
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    GG, baud.

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    Hoopy was invisible to me. Except for that one brown-nosing post of his, I was not suspicious.

    wuf for wolf MVP?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I shot keith because I thought I would get away with it.
    Someone else might have gotten away with it, but you are way too clever to make such a boldly silly play.

    The fact that you didn't read as drunk even remotely until after the shot was damning evidence that I didn't know how to state. I don't know if/when you started drinking, but the change in your tone was more confident -> worried and making excuses than anything drink related.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I kind of did, I mean it took down the seer and the vig, as well as keith himself, and I could've taken one more out had I not been out at deadline.
    Who did those things? I'm not clear on how strongly your actions influenced those events.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    JKDS you could still win this, you just had to get a villager lynched. I'm surprised you didn't try, you have the ability to claim loki to stop your lynch if it backfires.
    YES. JKDS and gabe both had plenty of outs and no reason to fold on D5.

    gabe even said that he could argue that he wasn't wolfy at all (you go, gabe), which means that he still had fight in him.

    This endgame was the weirdest thing. The 2 baddies just out in the thread and sigh. Then a mod who's not the mod ends the game in the middle of the day with no majority of votes.

    Maybe the result was a foregone conclusion, but the endgame was weird, is all.
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    If I understand the way ties work on this site, the game was over as soon as 2 votes landed on Gabe. With it being must lynch and not being able to change votes, the only possible outcome would be a 2-2 tie in votes and Gabe gets lynched.

    The second vote on Gabe was essentially a MAJ vote.
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    Gabe was drawing dead today. Unfortunately, jkds could prove he was loki. The only way we can win is if gabe convinces the village that he's loki, and therefore jkds is the wolf, and the person the village need to lynch.

    But if I were loki, I'd be claiming my wincon was activated with a mislynch today. 1 v 1 v 1.

    mojo, I was drunk. But I also thought it through carefully. I tried to make it appear like an emotional move, but obviously it wasn't. That'll be where my tone betrays me, I imagine. I make a few posts in the build up to it, basically laying the grounds for faking frustration.

    As for my influence in the specials getting killed, well drew got nommed by us because he emerged as a lock villager and was just gonna brag and strut around like a boss. I thought keybored was seer, not drew. We weren't onto him, it's just he was too obviously a villager and probably wouldn't get the angel.

    And then obviously thor was forced to claim as a direct result of my wagon collapsing. I have no idea how I nearly survived, I felt like I was practically claiming wolf when I said I was going out. As honest as that was, I knew that if I was a wolf, I'd quite possibly pretend to go out and then sit there mashing f5 hoping for a thor claim. So I figured I'd just get strung up from there. Thor's claim was a bonus, especially since jkds recognised that he was a serious threat to him and picked him off.

    I think jkds shouldn't be allowed to post anon messages, otherwise this game is a very well balanced game I think. If jkds can't modconfirm his role, then gabe has outs today and it's game on.

    Thanks for this game though baudib, very interesting indeed!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    If I understand the way ties work on this site, the game was over as soon as 2 votes landed on Gabe. With it being must lynch and not being able to change votes, the only possible outcome would be a 2-2 tie in votes and Gabe gets lynched.
    I'm not familiar with this. What did I miss?

    Link, please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    If I understand the way ties work on this site, the game was over as soon as 2 votes landed on Gabe. With it being must lynch and not being able to change votes, the only possible outcome would be a 2-2 tie in votes and Gabe gets lynched.

    The second vote on Gabe was essentially a MAJ vote.
    If people can't rescind, then yes, gabe got lynched as soon as he hit two. If people can rescind, then 2 isn't a majority and three can still be achieved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I'm not familiar with this. What did I miss?

    Link, please.
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Keith, a vanilla villager, shot Day 1
    OngBonga, a wolf day vig, lynched Day 1
    Monstrman, a village vig, killed Night 1
    Keybored, a vanilla villager, killed Night 1
    BankItDrew, a village seer, killed Night 1
    Boog, a vanilla villager, lynched Day 2
    MadMojoMonkey, a vanilla villager, killed Night 2
    Rong, a vanilla villager, lynched Day 3
    Hoopy, a wolf JOAT, killed night 3
    lilrascal, a village half-angel, lynched Day 4
    daven, a vanilla villager, killed Night 4


    The Living
    Gabe
    JKDS
    Luco
    Wufwugy

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    IT IS DAY 5. A MUST LYNCH DAY. ONCE YOU LYNCH, IT WILL NEVER CHANGE, CARVED INTO THE IRON HEART OF ODIN HIMSELF
    It's the last sentence of this post. In must lynch situations, the villas need to be careful since they can't change their votes.
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    Yeah, it was over when gabe got 2. In a tie, first one to the mark gets to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    mojo, I was drunk. But I also thought it through carefully. I tried to make it appear like an emotional move, but obviously it wasn't. That'll be where my tone betrays me, I imagine. I make a few posts in the build up to it, basically laying the grounds for faking frustration.
    Yeah, I just got that far in the wolf chat.
    My read was that the drunkenness was bit of a ruse on your part turns out to be not so good.

    As friendly criticism, the fabricated frustration read as strained to me, and was part of why I couldn't take my vote off of you. You needed more time to build that case, and I honestly don't see why you needed to act so quickly. If you had brooded over it for 12 hours or so, THAT would have put me in a much tougher position (as far as dropping you as lock-W). No matter what the sub says, letting an FTR noob speak is certainly going to build your case to shoot.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    As for my influence in the specials getting killed, well drew got nommed by us because he emerged as a lock villager and was just gonna brag and strut around like a boss. I thought keybored was seer, not drew.
    Yeah... I shouldn't have so aggressively cleared BID when I did. There was no real reason to do so, and I still had him in my "could be PR" zone. I was hoping to incite him to drop a long reads post that would surely be filled with enough oddness to make people upset at how he read them. Alas, it was not to be.

    Keybored's fake peek was boss. I have learned, though it took 2 games with 2 fake peeks from key for me to learn.
    Fake peeks are massively pro-V (as long as they happen to be correct).

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    And then obviously thor was forced to claim as a direct result of my wagon collapsing.
    This is true, but do you get credit for the votes that were on him, and not merely off you?
    FTR loves to move their votes between wagons, even when they believe both wagons are V.

    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    I think jkds shouldn't be allowed to post anon messages, otherwise this game is a very well balanced game I think. If jkds can't modconfirm his role, then gabe has outs today and it's game on.

    Thanks for this game though baudib, very interesting indeed!
    Interesting. Sounds like good feedback.

    The bonus of FTR running such highly themed games is the awesomely themed games.
    The downside is that we never play the same format twice.

    As I'm looking at WW from a modding perspective, this kind of feedback is very valuable to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    It's the last sentence of this post. In must lynch situations, the villas need to be careful since they can't change their votes.
    I read it as mere flavor text.
    Is this the only reference to this rule - that one obscure line that says a "lynch" is final and not a "vote" is final?

    I've seen people switch their votes at F3 on FTR before. I even saw a V fake claim as W and vote as such at F3, only to rescind and declare they were a V and vote the other way a minute later.

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Yeah, it was over when gabe got 2. In a tie, first one to the mark gets to die.
    Well, obv if the "you can't switch your vote" thing is true, then gabe dies at 2 votes.
    :/
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    lol Hoopy in the den #151:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hoopy
    lilrascal isn't going to last long with all this logic, reason and color coding malarkey.
    Sad, but fair commentary on FTR's view of an obvious tryhard.
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    I think baudib underestimated the strength anon posting can have in the right hands. It gave jkds an edge that baudib hadn't anticipated.

    And I don't deserve credit for anything other than making d1 interesting. Getting the seer thanks to my FSP was lucky as hell. It was a fantastic result for wolf spazz. I'm pleased with my contribution!
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    jkds is still mvp here though, he nearly won it last night, probably should've done, he's unlucky too that I didn't get online at deadline when I was lynched because I would've taken out another villager. Village got really lucky to avoid losing to jkds here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    lol Hoopy in the den #151:

    Sad, but fair commentary on FTR's view of an obvious tryhard.
    I'll try less hard next time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I read it as mere flavor text.
    Is this the only reference to this rule - that one obscure line that says a "lynch" is final and not a "vote" is final?

    I've seen people switch their votes at F3 on FTR before. I even saw a V fake claim as W and vote as such at F3, only to rescind and declare they were a V and vote the other way a minute later.


    Well, obv if the "you can't switch your vote" thing is true, then gabe dies at 2 votes.
    :/
    In every game I've played must lynch means you can't change your vote. I assumed that it was the same here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    I'll try less hard next time.
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    I got a Lil unlucky imo. Wolves ran bad (good?) by getting blocked the night I shot hippy, and by shooting my target last night. If either gets through, Gabe had to shoot me to win and I dont think my role was obv to him.

    @key: I didnt insult you. My remark should be read as "even a newish player knows", not you specifically

    @ong: mod Loki posts are insane. I wanted to do more, like lie about game mechanics and abilities that I have...but baud rightfully didnt let me. Still, imitating wuf, luco, and Gabe was insane power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    And I don't deserve credit for anything other than making d1 interesting. Getting the seer thanks to my FSP was lucky as hell. It was a fantastic result for wolf spazz. I'm pleased with my contribution!
    I mean no absolute criticism of your shot. It got you deaded, sure... and I can imagine a path whereby it doesn't get me (at least) to vote for you... That's as far as my criticism goes.

    I thought you were implying that you smoked out 2 V's in the process, and I didn't see that. It did happen, though. So I was curious what I missed.
    I'm just thinking in a game-solvey kind of way. I thought you were implying more than you were - due to no-spoilers / yes-trolling the dead thread.
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    thanks to baud and rilla for modding, and gabe you're a dangerous wolf
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    Quote Originally Posted by JKDS View Post
    @ong: mod Loki posts are insane. I wanted to do more, like lie about game mechanics and abilities that I have...but baud rightfully didnt let me. Still, imitating wuf, luco, and Gabe was insane power.
    Maybe. Loki automatically would trigger my "don't even listen" reflex because only misguiding bullshit can be found in those posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    thanks to baud and rilla for modding, and gabe you're a dangerous wolf
    Fuck you.
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    My only criticism of baudib is that he asked me to help with vote counts, but I didn't know that he had asked anyone else.

    Thanks to rilla for helping out.

    A special thanks to rilla for a funny little exchange between us in PM's over vote-count corrections.

    The end went something like this:
    MMM: Sorry for being frustrated over the many corrections to the VC. It's a frustrating game.
    rilla: It's calming when you know there's an answer.
    MMM: My man!
    rilla: [some picture of the Dalai Lama smiling and giving me a thumbs up]
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    Thanks to the mods, in particular Baud for asking me to sub in.

    GG all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    My only criticism of baudib is that he asked me to help with vote counts, but I didn't know that he had asked anyone else.

    Thanks to rilla for helping out.

    A special thanks to rilla for a funny little exchange between us in PM's over vote-count corrections.

    The end went something like this:
    MMM: Sorry for being frustrated over the many corrections to the VC. It's a frustrating game.
    rilla: It's calming when you know there's an answer.
    MMM: My man!
    rilla: [some picture of the Dalai Lama smiling and giving me a thumbs up]


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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    Thanks to the mods, in particular Baud for asking me to sub in.

    GG all.
    Fuck you.
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    Gabe had a roleblock he didn't use, would have been huge on n3 or n4.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
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    @a500lbgorilla: No offense was intended. It's just that I didn't even know about this site until Baud contacted me to sub in.

    So, basically, it's all Baud's fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilrascal View Post
    @a500lbgorilla: No offense was intended. It's just that I didn't even know about this site until Baud contacted me to sub in.

    So, basically, it's all Baud's fault.
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    Now the game is over i will address the points made in the game thread about my self lynch. Discussing it during the game i felt was wrong and since baudib didn't bother sending me the dead thread link so that it could be discussed there this is now the most apt place and time to do it.

    By post 60 of the game baud already had 10 posts.That was the point behind my comment "Baud ....you're the mod not bigred ...are you gonna be posting every fourth or fifth post ? cos if so i'll self lynch now." The bigred comment was referring to the shield wall pic post and the idris elba pic post. Totally pointless to the game. The game took plenty of time to start after the signup thread was announced and posts 2,3and 6 should all have been part of post 1, 24 should have been in post 22, 55 was pointless, 57 - why put "noone has died in a spoiler" ,for gods sake , you force everyone to have to click the spoiler to read a post that didn't even have to be in the game.So you're probably saying you signed up for it acept it. Thats another part of my decision, i didn't sign up , check out the sign up thread ,I was one of the people that "were" playing . To tell people that they are playing is taking a liberty , and then to clog the thread up with the mod's posts is taking the piss.


    #71 - maybe i could have worded that post differently , but it conveys my feeling about how WW should be played , players play the game and the mod answers questions, gives votecounts and operates in the background. This felt like a game of football where the ref was trying to hog the limelight.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Luco View Post
    did you seriously expect any different from a baud mod


    bye keith
    blunt answer , YES. He's played enough games to know that game mods are not supposed to be one of the top posters in a game and certainly don't spam the game thread with pointless posts. Show me one other FTR game where the mod has done that.


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    Agreed...but you didn't have to self lynch. it fucks up day 1. you could have walked away and let the mod work out the non-participant game kinks with least interference to the game.
    i looked at it that a vanilla villager would die, end the day and preserve the village specials.This is linked into
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Mod Note:


    Spoiler:
    no one has died



    We will have a sub for Keith.


    Carry on like nothing has happened.

    It was pretty obvious from my post that bauds "yes" post would lead me to self lynch. FTR policy has been that a self lynch ends the day. That was a situation in which i was never bluffing . If Baud's intention was to sub someone in , why not PM me and ask if i wanted to be subbed out. By putting "yes" he knew full well what would happen.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    After all the vitriol I got from you, I am left dumbfounded.


    I had to go back and double check what you wrote and really... It's hard to make sense of it.

    Completely different situations and you know that . this was at the start of the game with no time invested and self lynch preserves the village specials, yours was at the end of the game when people had spent weeks playing and invested huge amounts of time and your self lynch ended the game and lost the game for the village.


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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    keith is now obviously a villager. No way keith would do that if he's a wolf because he'd expect to get modkilled. Doing is as villager is shitty but it's worse as wolf because he's letting down his buddies.


    bravo keith, bravo.

    compare that with wuf in
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    if keith is a wolf, they win. if keith got confirmation from the mod in wolfchat that his role wouldnt get modkilled, im gonna bitch so hard it'll crash the servers


    lynch rong
    Lol at me being accused at angle shooting , where i explicitly said i'd rather not play , yet wuf was pulling this case about asking in wolf chat if role wouldn't get modkilled with the subtext that he doesn't know that cos he's not a wolf.You tell me how thats not an angle shoot.Especially as he continues the theme in #99
    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    went back and checked. keith could have totally done this as a wolf


    whatever
    and #101
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    does vilkeith really self-lynch? wouldnt he just skip the offending posts? he doesn't self-lynch whenever he's playing and another player makes a lot of posts, so why would he do it after baud did it three times?


    keith has gotten wolf twice recently and tends to play uniquely each time and also likes pulling moves. i think he's burnt out and is pulling a move


    lynch keith

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    You'll have to trust me that none of this is role indicative and the sub is happening because ruining Day 1 when a lot of cool things are supposed to develop is a disaster.

    This is the heart of the situation. Why answer "yes" to my question about whether he was going to continue posting prolifically when he knew that it would lead to a self lynch knowing that it could then affect the things he had planned to develope,that was just naive.Ending the day at my self lynch wouldn't have affected the game. Trying to continue by subbing in a replacement led to multiple people then angle shooting the situation which ending the day would have prevented.Monstrman commented on how many of the people commenting on it could have been wolves.gabe and ong were trying to angle shoot an advantage for the wolves and themselves out of it just as wuf did for the villagers.


    Having said that i want to congratulate baud on setting up a fair and balanced game .I just had issues with baud posting the unnecessary posts into the game thread .After my self lynch there appeared to be a noticeable reduction in those posts.
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    Suffice it to say Keith will not be allowed in any games I mod in the future.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
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    Drama rama.

    Imho... Both keith and baudib should hug it out. Mistakes were made on both sides and I applaud the first guy to admit to that while leaving other thoughts at the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    Drama rama.

    Imho... Both keith and baudib should hug it out. Mistakes were made on both sides and I applaud the first guy to admit to that while leaving other thoughts at the door.
    Fuck you.
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    baud/keith its not a big deal

    gg all and thanks for modding
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    Suffice it to say Keith will not be allowed in any games I mod in the future.
    What sort of message are you sending out to all the other players with that post. Disagree with you and they won't be welcome in games you mod . how childish. Long term players will remember that i will take a stand on an issue regardless of how much ridicule i take for it or abuse levelled at me, if i believe in the central principal.I've addressed the comments made to me , all you can do is take your ball home .
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    I think you'll find, I'm a douchebag.
    That's good to know.

    I won't hold it against you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith View Post
    What sort of message are you sending out to all the other players with that post. Disagree with you and they won't be welcome in games you mod . how childish. Long term players will remember that i will take a stand on an issue regardless of how much ridicule i take for it or abuse levelled at me, if i believe in the central principal.I've addressed the comments made to me , all you can do is take your ball home .
    I think the message is pretty clear.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
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    gabe and ong were trying to angle shoot an advantage for the wolves and themselves out of it just as wuf did for the villagers.
    I don't mind getting dirty if I'm a wolf, so long as I'm not breaking clearly defined rules.

    fwiw, I don't consider your stupid self vote to be angle shooting. You can't expect to not get modkilled. I'm not going to complain about mod decisions because I respect them right or wrong. But your self vote was certainly stupid, and it surprises me coming from you. But whatever. I have twat moments too.
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    saying "angle shoot" makes it seem alot more sinister than it is. i think angle shooting is when you violate the spirit of the game

    imo the spirit of the game is that there are clear rules, and everyone does what they can within the rules to win. we play lots of versions with different rules, so the rules for each game are always clearly established. especially wolves should be encouraged to do all possible tricks. thats what makes the game so fun (whether being a wolf or hunting one)

    angle shooting would be like going through FTR profile pages to see which users were talking to which users (some people did this back in the day, im guessing it doesnt work anymore)

    i agree with keith that the mods shouldnt post for fun (more than a small amount) although i know its hard to resist. if game dialogue starts centering around mods then the game cant remain balanced.

    i dont know what was more spewy, keith's self vote or ong's keith shot. sorry i had to lay it on u ong but next time we will ride it out longer
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    alot
    A lot is 2 words.

    FYI
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    Will have to wait for tomorrow to read the dead thread and wolfchat. I can imagine you guys gave me an incredible amount of shit for pushing for Rascal so hard while Gabe was on the chopping block. FWIW I think the quick days and my lack of time to go over the material is what led to the two major misunderstandings I had that led to that decision.

    Thanks so much for modding Baud and Rilla!

    Gabe you played a fucking awesome game. I think you sorta got yourself in a trap by doing some really villy things that you had to later pseudo-recant, but the way you did it was mostly successful (in my mind), and I had never thought to do it that way. Basically what I'm getting at is that when you're a wolf and you use solid rationale to clear villagers in early and mid game, you have to start going back on that in order to get mislynches in the late game. Which is what you did when you were questioning Luco and me when previously you had cleared us with strong logic. But what I loved that you did was at the same time was "panic" over a mislynch. I'm not sure if you intended so, but usually when a mislynch in on the way, wolves tend to be okay with them. But you weren't, you were acting like you hated the lynch. When Rong was on the chopping block, I thought this had to mean you both were wolves. But really that was just a level where after Rong flips villager you look like another villager who saw the folly of the lynch. I've never seen wolves do this (at least not that well) and I never thought of it for myself. So kudos. I really dig sophistication in play

    Hey JerKDS I think it's best you admit I got yo fuckin numba. That epiphany on you being Loki just made all the sense in the world. Glad to know I'm not a complete dolt.

    As for my play, I don't think it was bad. I'm not impressed by my performance, but I really did try to put strong logic to my votes. The Rascal lynch was based on some pretty huge misunderstandings, and those are mostly my fault. The Rong lynch I feel was unavoidable. Even if, for example, we'd lynched Hoopy, the next day I would have come out blasting Rong since I saw some big connections between them. The thing about my play is that I try to put my bold on the person for whom the best argument has been made. This doesn't mean it's right. In fact the results are usually wrong, but I don't know how else to do it

    Great game guys and I hope Rascal and Monstr play more.
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    Well, wuf. I think I deleted the stuff that I may regret. There was an hour or so where I may have bashed any random stranger whose face reminded me of your avatar, but I'm over it.

    In the end, your vote on rascal was moot. I don't think there's any chance the village lynches JKDS on that day, and so the outcome was the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Hey JerKDS I think it's best you admit I got yo fuckin numba. That epiphany on you being Loki just made all the sense in the world.
    lolwat?

    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Glad to know I'm not a complete dolt.
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    Thanks for deleting that stuff

    Reading dead threads and wolfchats is always nerve-wracking for me. I always do about a half dozen things that invariably make me look like a doofus who's helping the wolves win, and when players who know the real results watch that, they tend to get very opinionated about me. The first time that happened, we had even won the game yet I almost decided to quit playing altogether because I couldn't take the nastiness of the dead thread


    Gabe I meant to ask you why you didn't kill JKDS on n3 or n4. Did you not think he was Loki? If so, why?
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    I don't know if you could guess how many asterisks it earned you, though.
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    lolwat?
    nigga how you not remember this soulblast

    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    I've had an epiphany: Luco is not Loki. JKDS is.

    I've had fuzzy vision of the SK since I know I'm a villager. Loki declaring it for the whole village tells me that he's trying to aid the village win, especially since when it happened, it looked like I was in danger of being lynched

    But it has troubled me that Loki Speaks is so obviously in the style of Luco. Saying "ded" is dead ringer that either Luco did it or somebody is trying to impersonate him. At first I figured Luco was just absent-minded and drunk dialed. But I don't think that's the case now. It would take a pretty huge brainfart for Luco to accidentally post as himself in such an obvious fashion. We simply don't see this sort of stuff. This is Werewolf, where wolves lie all day everyday. They don't slip up so obviously, so it's unreasonable to think Luco did as the SK

    Enter JKDS: I dislike every direction, every case that he's made this game. He is one of the only people left who is actively tricky enough to plot against everybody in creative ways if his role called for it. The night before Loki Speaks, he came out hard against me (not hard, actually, but brittle. More like he was trying to come out hard). Shortly after that post, Luco makes the post that is later imitated. Come morning, Baud wakes up and posts Loki Speaks

    So here we have JKDS on record calling me a wolf and bolding me. Then "Loki" says I'm a villager and looks like it comes from Luco. Then JKDS "doesn't buy it" and calls me SK or wolf. With one stone, he frames the most "lock" villager and points everybody in a direction away from him

    JKDS is going for the solo win. He's trying to trick everybody


    Hey JerKDS, all I can say is you need to count your blessings and realize that Papa Wugy found the last two wolves. After Rong flips snarlface, prove you're too cool for school and either shoot nobody or shoot the last wolf
    Jumping to conclusions is the name of the game. The way we all hunt wolves is seeing some patterns or head-scratching comments then try to reverse engineer why it makes sense the player would do those based on a role they may have

    I try to use as much logic as I can, but the problem is that all sorts of weird/wrong things are logical in some ways
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post
    I don't know if you could guess how many asterisks it earned you, though.
    I'm not sure what you mean
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    I think I took a shot at you Wuf. No hard feelings obv. All in the game.
    That's how winners play; we convince the other guy he's making all the right moves.
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    good point that i didnt have many outs when i was the solo wolf. since i had "cleared" everyone it meant i had to go back on someone. BUT the entire time i never defended jkds that much. i thought i had a chance at the village killing him. thats why i didnt kill him myself. i guess one of my wolfy tells is slowly accusing everyone that isnt cleared until theres no one left

    my only night kill strategy was to suggest people who the village wouldnt suspect. in retrospect i should have considered alot more than this the last 2 nights
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    oh yea i wonder what random actions we had to sweat
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    @wuf:
    If the SK, and all wolves openly claimed in the thread, the correct play is to kill the SK first.

    No one can earn a solo (pure) victory besides the SK as long as the SK is alive.

    The SK is a threat to all other groups.

    The SK is your enemy.


    If you thought you found the SK, then you should vote the SK.

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    I have promised myself to remain civil, but I think it's only fair (and chivalrous in a way) to inform you that I find you to be a detestable specimen of humanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey View Post

    I have promised myself to remain civil, but I think it's only fair (and chivalrous in a way) to inform you that I find you to be a detestable specimen of humanity.
    Are you being serious or are you joking?
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    i dont know what was more spewy, keith's self vote or ong's keith shot. sorry i had to lay it on u ong but next time we will ride it out longer
    My keith shot was outstanding. I nearly got away with it. I'd done a good job convincing people it was stupider as a wolf than it was as villager. And when it backfired, we binked the seer and vig. I'm quite happy with my spew, tyvm! The only thing I'm annoyed about is losing, which is obviously hoopy's fault.
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    MMM, dont be a drag

    ong, im not saying you didnt have a chance to get out of it. i guess i couldve helped you. you werent drawing dead. but it was still spewy like wouldnt it have been more fun to not risk dying at all on day 1 ???
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    wuf suggesting burnout made me laugh. You were all trying to get into my head, thinking why I would do it. daven got closest when he said something like removing a cleared villager while looking like a villager myself... to put it simply, I thought I'd get away with it, that it would look too stupid for a wolf. And as a spent dayvig, I'm not an interesting target for the SK, vig, or seer.

    It wasn't as spewy as you all seemed to think. It was just... ballsy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wufwugy View Post
    Are you being serious or are you joking?
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    MMM, dont be a drag
    deleted my text.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    MMM, dont be a drag

    ong, im not saying you didnt have a chance to get out of it. i guess i couldve helped you. you werent drawing dead. but it was still spewy like wouldnt it have been more fun to not risk dying at all ???
    More fun that putting a bullet in keith???
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    its just a game

    wuf is wrong alot but the game is more fun with him in there
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It wasn't as spewy as you all seemed to think. It was just... ballsy.

    The talking eggs speak for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabe View Post
    its just a game

    wuf is wrong alot but the game is more fun with him in there
    Please don't tell me to drop the issue, then pick it up when I do.

    I want nothing but the best for all of FTR wuf included ().
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    It wasn't as spewy as you all seemed to think. It was just... ballsy.
    I actually agree with this assessment.

    You could have made the shot and gotten away with it... but, I think, the timing was hasty... the quick development of the plan was the inconsistency for me.
    I can imagine you getting away with it, but doing it on D1 upped the stakes on your ability to talk after the fact quite a bit.

    I'm just preemptively shaking my head on what you do for your counter-spew to pre-preempt your next massive wolf gambit.
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    MMM I read your text before you deleted it. I think you have misread my intentions and your opinion of me is you doing the very thing you accuse me of doing

    We talk shit and brag and say silly things because that's what makes for fun and friendly competition. Maybe I look bad to you because you don't see the goofy smile on my face as I type those things

    Like in the quote about JerKDS being Loki, I don't think he's a jerk. I'm just razzing him. When I said "Papa Wugy found all the wolves", I'm not actually fucking serious. I say those things because this is a game where we're trying to beat each other. It's trash talking

    Think of this as WWE and me as a ridiculous clown who tells Stone Cold that he has small biceps and I grabbed his mom's ass
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    Hell, dude, my avatar is even a joke. I put that douchebag face up there just to rustle some jimmies. What's not great about that?

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