Anyway, I want you to know that if anything I've said actually hurt your feelings, then I'm sorry. It's certainly not my intention to make people feel bad about themselves, like I said it's banter.
08-05-2013 12:10 AM
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Anyway, I want you to know that if anything I've said actually hurt your feelings, then I'm sorry. It's certainly not my intention to make people feel bad about themselves, like I said it's banter. | |
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08-05-2013 12:12 AM
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08-05-2013 12:13 AM
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I think you're right about spoilers, I prefer it when people are still trying to figure it out. | |
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08-05-2013 12:29 AM
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I tell you what wuf, go back and have a look at the bit where JKDS was tearing my posts to shreds after you confimed me as wolf. That was fucking depressing for me to watch, I thought one day of onging was enough to fuck my team. Had the village followed JKDS' strategy there, it's a lock win. You say I played a fantastic wolf game, but that's simply not true. I played pretty fucking badly myself here, at least in the thread. I got seer'd on n1 and left a stinking big trail. We got lucky in that no-one else is really on JKDS' level, I actually think he's a better villager than rilla. | |
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08-05-2013 12:49 AM
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I think you're overestimating the power of JKDS' argument against you. If it was true that villagers can be confirmed because you don't bold them Day 1, then you can super easily change that and trick everybody. It's with things like Bikes getting up to 8 votes or whatever crazy number that he did two days in a row that you can start reasonably saying "lock villager" because those are things that wolves almost never are able to fake. |
08-05-2013 01:14 AM
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^^Ong was totally an honorary villager from the village's perspective. (minus special hunting, asshole!) | |
08-05-2013 01:14 AM
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I was pleased that my gabe vote got the reaction I wanted, I must admit that. I nearly voted for aubrey there, but felt it's better to accidentally clear a villager than nail a wolf. | |
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08-05-2013 01:36 AM
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Hehe, i just read the wolf thread part where ong says my entire reads list was based on a false premise. I can have bad logic too | |
08-05-2013 01:38 AM
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But seriously, if I said anything that hurt your feelings then Im sorry. Ive been very desensitized since joining ftr, and its made me be much less careful about how I talk to or about people as well. | |
08-05-2013 01:43 AM
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I held that opinion too for the longest time, but now I am seeing the value in playing a little bit on mafiascum too. I'm not gonna be playing there too often, it's too detached how they play there, but it's going to be nice for me to see to what degree my reads are based on intuitive things that apply generally, and to what degree it's based on getting to know people better. If I get a sense of where I stand on that front I'll stop playing there. | |
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08-05-2013 02:43 AM
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I didn't read all of it, but if you want an honest answer, from my perspective everything you said is all very standard, even self-help book and TV series realization at the end of the episode kind of thing. I liked your strategy analysis post in this thread better. | |
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08-05-2013 03:11 AM
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Wuf, a few things. | |
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08-05-2013 03:35 AM
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Rong, when you puff yourself up as god's greatest werewolf mod (however seriously), it's going to draw attention to you. when you subsequently fail to hit the (frankly unattainable) standards that you yourself have laid out there, people will comment. Deal wid it. | |
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08-05-2013 03:42 AM
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lynch rong, got one. | |
08-05-2013 03:42 AM
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Not gods greatest werewolf mod. God himself motherfucker! | |
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08-05-2013 03:43 AM
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Come on wuf. I understand that you are disappointed because from your point view you did better than you were perceived by others to be but unless I'm wrong about you, you are someone who is fully capable of dealing with constructive feedback and learn from it to come back stronger. And also, I really like the parts of your reasoning that are correct. They show you are very much capable of thinking on a high level. | |
Last edited by jackvance; 08-05-2013 at 04:53 AM. | |
08-05-2013 03:46 AM
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08-05-2013 03:53 AM
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Hey, it went to the wire and people watched to the end and were highly entertained. Clearly, in spite of some teething problems, I owned that shit, making me greater than god, therefore, I am him! (add sound of thunder about now) | |
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08-05-2013 04:10 AM
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Just promise me you'll continue to take your pills three times a day. | |
Last edited by jackvance; 08-05-2013 at 05:11 AM. Reason: you know, joke about you being delusional | |
08-05-2013 05:48 AM
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Wuf, I was the first person to use the words 'confirmation bias' (both in game and in the dead thread) so I feel I need to say something here. | |
Last edited by Luco; 08-05-2013 at 06:19 AM. Reason: My cat's breath smells like cat food
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08-05-2013 05:58 AM
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Oh, also, forgot to say... mad props to luco, who has pretty much proven himself already to be a fucking awesome ww player. He soulread the fuck out of gator and jack early on and was being talked about in the den as a serious problem. Thank fuck he wasn't seer, because it would've been over a lot quicker if he was. His approach is spot on. | |
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08-05-2013 06:05 AM
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Lol, he said taint | |
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08-05-2013 06:22 AM
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I think we should come up with an avatar for wufwugy, maybe one he only uses when he's playing werewolf. It can be a sign to the world that a new game is commencing and a reminder to us all that in spite of his aggressive condescending tone, wufwufy is actually a bit of a pussy. | |
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08-05-2013 06:22 AM
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Don't image search the words "total pussy" if children are around. | |
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08-05-2013 06:27 AM
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Last edited by Luco; 08-05-2013 at 06:40 AM. Reason: public humiliation
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08-05-2013 06:38 AM
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@wuf, lol sorry. I didn't realize they had a dead thread and everyone basically knew I was a villager. I thought I was making quite a few people sweat when it turned out to be just you. | |
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08-05-2013 06:47 AM
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08-05-2013 06:59 AM
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I think i did. All the PK protection stuff ,the logic of the luco outing etc, and using the vig to choose knowns to shoot unknowns while keeping PK safe and hidden and thus alive. Wolves had me down as a possible PK for ages and discussing whether to eat me.If they had it would have beaten them just on the numbers .Also .....remember when i sugested shooting Gator when he was the surviving shot candidate to keep PK safe and gator questioning whether PK followed the strat .....in hindsight a huge wolf tell. If it had been anyone but gator village may well have gone along with that . |
08-05-2013 07:05 AM
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You fucking pussies, this is the internet. | |
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08-05-2013 07:08 AM
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08-05-2013 07:10 AM
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The internet, also known as the wild wild west, where cold honesty and mockery reign supreme. Fear it! | |
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08-05-2013 07:12 AM
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Why can't I figure out how to get an image off of quickmeme? Overweight emo would be the perfect wufwugy avatar. | |
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08-05-2013 07:15 AM
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Rilla, of course you're right, it was because there were no specials that we felt we could get cocky. And it wasn't really that we steamrolled you, we steamrolled the village. But yeah it was a much easier game than this one. That game will always be a fond ww memory for me, for obvious reasons. I just wanted to remind wuf that even the best can be made to look ordinary. It's the nature of the beast. You just gotta take it on the chin and move on. You still owe me a slapdown. | |
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08-05-2013 07:17 AM
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08-05-2013 07:18 AM
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I figured that as an option, but it's too much effort. | |
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08-05-2013 07:19 AM
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Last edited by jackvance; 08-05-2013 at 07:21 AM. | |
08-05-2013 07:24 AM
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Actually I think I'm confused jack, I don't think you were a wolf with us in the fuck with rilla game. It was me, boog, galap and pascal... of course it was pascal... my previous wolf game with you was with banana, just 3 of us and we all survived for the win. | |
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08-05-2013 07:25 AM
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That was actually a better win, strictly speaking, simply because there were sepcials. But we didn't get cocky, and I like getting cocky. So it's not as fond a memory as the no specials game. | |
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08-05-2013 07:27 AM
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One day my testicles will be large enough to dare to fuck with gator. One day. | |
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08-05-2013 07:46 AM
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Great game to play and watch. I never thought when I died that it would be a last day nail biter. | |
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08-05-2013 08:39 AM
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08-05-2013 08:58 AM
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08-05-2013 09:15 AM
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But if a game ends up being fun for both sides then trying to finely balance it isn't really important. | |
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08-05-2013 09:25 AM
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08-05-2013 09:46 AM
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08-05-2013 10:22 AM
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Nah I'd prefer to be at a slight disadvantage as wolf if I'm honest, because winning is more satisfying. Rilla is spot on when he points out the wolf win I'm most proud of is not one that I should be so quick to brag about... as nice as it was to win by being cocky, it was imbalanced heavily towards the wolves. It's just my nature to take enjoyment from that one because I have an ego that needs massaging now and then. | |
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08-05-2013 10:35 AM
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Is there a way to make Quick Topic not suck? I can't get it to sort from oldest to newest. I can get that PAGE to sort oldest to newest, but I still have to click back three hundred million fuckin pages before I can start reading the thread. | |
08-05-2013 10:43 AM
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Lol anyone who does the three hundred clicks to start reading, I feel for ya. There's a super easy way to get to page 1: | |
Last edited by Luco; 08-05-2013 at 11:11 AM. Reason: Added method
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08-05-2013 11:16 AM
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Oh my sweet jesus, thank you. I suppose the purpose of quick topic is to keep it as simple as possible, which makes for some oh-sweet-jesusly frustrating side effects. | |
08-05-2013 11:18 AM
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08-05-2013 12:31 PM
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08-05-2013 12:32 PM
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we should all write a bunch of things being really serious. and then wait for responses. and then tell everybody we weren't serious. | |
08-05-2013 12:32 PM
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i'll tell you ahead of time that my last post is really really serious. | |
08-05-2013 12:52 PM
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Good game everyone, that was a lot of fun to watch. Thanks for modding, Rong! It sounded like you ran into a bunch of problems, you handled them well. And good job, wuf -- that was a fantastic ending to the game. | |
08-05-2013 01:01 PM
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The only real complaint I have is the MMM suicide (it's a small complaint, but I think it's worth discussing for future games). I felt it was an overreaction to end the day, because it over-penalized the village. | |
08-05-2013 01:10 PM
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I liked the new split roles, or at least found them interesting. I think the vig split makes for interesting village strategy, especially in our situation where we could explicitly plan out in advance who shoots who. However, it also makes it a little more difficult on the wolves, because it's more difficult to fake-out as the vig-chooser (as Ong pointed out in the wolf thread). | |
08-05-2013 01:15 PM
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The problem with that is that even if MMM was silenced, the village would've had the advantage of being able to analyze the thread with the knowledge of yet another confirmed villager. | |
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08-05-2013 01:25 PM
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lol, if anything MMM is the honorary wolf. Thanks for that, man! | |
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08-05-2013 01:27 PM
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My post to wuf was 100% from the heart (well, okay, there were definitely some silly diversions in there); my post about how I had my pants off, frenetically refreshing the page, waiting for someone to call me a God among men so that I could masturbate was, well...do I really need to clarify? | |
08-05-2013 01:34 PM
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Not uh. It was hard for the wolves to out as any particular special (especially after I auto outted as angel) this game, but the vigilante wasnt any more difficult to out as. Its always been a bad move to out as the vig when he can turn around and just shoot you in the face. | |
08-05-2013 01:34 PM
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08-05-2013 01:35 PM
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08-05-2013 01:36 PM
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08-05-2013 01:37 PM
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I fail to see how MMM self lynching makes for a confirmed villager. If that's really the case, then I swear to God, the next time I'm wolf, I'm going to vote for myself on the first day if the rules allow for it. That seems totally silly to just auto-assume that this makes a player a villager, and I think the only people who took it that way were the mod and the wolves (because they knew who MMM was independent of his self-vote). | |
08-05-2013 01:38 PM
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08-05-2013 01:39 PM
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Why would a wolf EVER self-lynch. Threatening to do so is one thing, but actually doing it? | |
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08-05-2013 01:41 PM
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Plus, MMM clearly wanted out of the game. If he was a wolf he would have never, ever, ever done that, because he wouldn't want to fuck us over. It was incredibly obvious that he was a villager once he did that. | |
Last edited by aubreymcfate; 08-05-2013 at 01:50 PM.
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08-05-2013 01:51 PM
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Because some people think beyond Level 1? You're asking me why someone whose win condition involves never being suspected as wolf would do something that is perceived to be something that no wolf would ever do. It should be pretty obvious why they would do that. | |
08-05-2013 01:57 PM
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I understand this, hence my edit. I'm all about thinking beyond level 1, lol, trust me. I probably think about it way too much. My point is that it's a modkillable offense, so the moment you do it, it's obvious that you're not a wolf. | |
Last edited by aubreymcfate; 08-05-2013 at 02:00 PM.
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08-05-2013 02:04 PM
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An interesting point made in that thread is the potential for an angle-shoot by the wolves when one wolf has already been looked up by the seer, and his lynch is inevitable anyway, so he self-lynches to cut the day short intentionally. | |
08-05-2013 02:08 PM
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Right, and that's my point: if a self-lynch cuts the day short, then it's obviously not something a villager would ever do. | |
Last edited by aubreymcfate; 08-05-2013 at 02:16 PM.
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08-05-2013 02:23 PM
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08-05-2013 02:25 PM
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I'm mainly arguing that (a) there was no policy on self-lynching, (b) MMM's self-lynch was not angle-shooting, so (c) the day should not have ended. | |
08-05-2013 02:26 PM
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Also rong, I'm not trying to criticize your modding -- you had to make a snap judgement, and I didn't think of this until days later or longer. You clearly had to do something regarding MMM. I just think that in the future, the penalty for self-lynching should be better defined. | |
08-05-2013 02:31 PM
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What's been the deal with self-lynches in the past around here? | |
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