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  1. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    gg Ong, you played really well. Pretty impressed.
    Cheers.

    I considered trying to screw you over in pre game insread of gabe. It was always between the two just because you're both the optimal n1 noms anyway. If my strat works, to kill gabe or rilla as seer n1 would be huge.

    I picked gabe because he is the one who sniffed out the epic triple fakeclaim. You're the better wolf hunter, but gabe is a better at figuring out creative wolf strategies. I don't fear wolf hunters so much because I can argue for fun, and I know you have doubt even when you have suspicion. You're not stubborn like me.

    You got picked off at the perfect time. Your last post said you were very sure I wasn't a wolf. I can see from the dead thread how quickly you abandoned that misread.
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    pre game and d1 combined is probably the luckiest wolfing I've seen. I'll acknowledge that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Re: how is it different from other day 1s?

    In other games the village can at least recognize the situation they're in, discuss it, and theory craft ways forward. Here, there was a murky standing order not to discuss the game design too deeply.
    Hmm.

    I didn't think this was the case, but that may be because people weren't talking due to fear of modkill.
    If so, you're right, that's terrible on my part.

    If you had sent me a PM with as much of a criticism during the game, I think I would have taken heed and done something about it.

    That said, the game design intends for the number and type of roles in the game to be unknown by all players.
    Note that I gave ong unlimited RB powers, while there was only a single 1x role to block. This was intended to be one of those subtle information control angles I was shooting.

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Re: the wolves figured out how to communicate the info.

    They know they can trust each other. Remember the core of the game is the uninformed majority versus the informed minority. You can't take the wolves as an indicator of what the village should be able to do because they're in fundamentally different spots.
    :/
    I mean... whether or not you can trust each other isn't going to change if the rule about talking about the mini-games changes.

    There was nothing preventing you from sending me a PM and asking if saying a particular thing would be against the rules or spirit of the rules. At least one person did so during the game.

    There was plenty of hinting going on in the game and no mod-killing going on, too. I thought this was a subtle message that the hinting was fine.
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    Pretty infuriating that my read of ong was literally 100% ignored by remaining villagers. Again.

    GG ong, you wtfpwnd this game
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    I made a post about why I thought ong was a wolf. The post included a list. #1 On that list was a hint that I requested ong to be a wolf.

    Obviously not a single person made reference to this list after I flipped village.

    I understand that this is 100% due to my image.

    I feel like my best strategy going forward is to not say anything at all during the entire game. This way, I won't make mistakes and my reads on players whom I've proven to do well with, won't be ignored.

    Any different suggestions?

    Suck it up? Wait a few games (months) for the image to slowly change?
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    I mean... whether or not you can trust each other isn't going to change if the rule about talking about the mini-games changes.

    There was nothing preventing you from sending me a PM and asking if saying a particular thing would be against the rules or spirit of the rules. At least one person did so during the game.

    There was plenty of hinting going on in the game and no mod-killing going on, too. I thought this was a subtle message that the hinting was fine.
    I bring up that point about the differences between wolves and villagers to hint you at the point - the same rule affects them differently. You can't say, "well it works as intended for the wolves, so it should have as well for the villager."

    I don't mind losing games here. I chose to just amp up my villager game and play at the problem, but you can see throughout my day 1 posts what I was doing - understanding the situation that the village was in and moving on to try to save a destined-to-be-lost day 1.

    But it's funny you should ask for a PM where I directly tell you these concerns, why couldn't you infer them from my posts?

    That's flipping on you what you're saying about infer from your gifs hints about what you wanted to do. These hints don't redeem your modship philosophy for several reasons, not the least of which is that I'm from the tradition that any color a mod adds to a post is for entertainment purposes only and should not be used to try to infer anything about the game. The mod posts end with the unambiguous flip where the precious information is given to the village through blood.

    If someone had brought up that they thought they picked up a message from your gifs, I would have told them why they were wrong.

    If you wanted to communicate through gifs, you should have directly told us that.

    I want to clarify those last two points, they wouldn't just be wrong by tradition, they would be wrong on straight analysis. Without you coming out and saying that there were messages imbedded in the gifs, the sane and proper choice is always to ignore them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    I made a post about why I thought ong was a wolf. The post included a list. #1 On that list was a hint that I requested ong to be a wolf.

    Obviously not a single person made reference to this list after I flipped village.

    I understand that this is 100% due to my image.

    I feel like my best strategy going forward is to not say anything at all during the entire game. This way, I won't make mistakes and my reads on players whom I've proven to do well with, won't be ignored.

    Any different suggestions?

    Suck it up? Wait a few games (months) for the image to slowly change?
    Was this before or after you fake ARROOOO'd and then jk'd?
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    Was this before or after you fake ARROOOO'd and then jk'd?
    What does a jk aroo have to do with my reads during the game?
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    MMM:

    Did you purposely post that strike gif as a hint?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    What does a jk aroo have to do with my reads during the game?
    I just checked and after you voted for gator, I can't find where you left the rand peek.
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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I just checked and after you voted for gator, I can't find where you left the rand peek.
    Post #318, the one where I rescinded gator and bolded ong...

    rescind
    lynch ong


    It's boog and ong. You heard it here first. Twice.

    @gator: Yeah, I am suddenly interested in this game and have more free time at the same time. However, this can't be role indicative because I was on the chopping block on D2 and did fuck all.

    Ong is the last wolf, mainly because I want to stick to my guns and bink both wolves this game. I apologize for attacking you recently but I think that was mostly emotional.

    My ong strat this game:

    1) don't get modkilled by fucking up like you usually do by slipping somehow
    2) wait as long as possible before giving your "ong soul read". I hope you remember but probably won't, that the topic of my read on ong always comes up before D3. This time, it hasn't. It's because ong wants to avoid me doing a quick peek at his posts. Once, ong mentioned I have sick reads on him but never bothered to inquire what those reads were or why this game. This is a first.
    3) Read the squabble between rilla and ong again.

    Also, wtf is this shit?

    Originally Posted by OngBonga
    I can't see an angel protecting me. Furthermore, if boog is a wolf, what does he think happens here by claiming? We lynch drew.

    Which implies drew is a villager.




    Kill ong and this game is over. If he's a villager, I truly give up and officially relinquish my "soulreading ong" title.
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    I mean, I was reading you as pretty villager through your posts on day 3 including that one and I just saw it as you picking Ong above all others as the best wolf choice. I don't see how you're trying to tell them he's more likely to rand wolf because of your bids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I bring up that point about the differences between wolves and villagers to hint you at the point - the same rule affects them differently. You can't say, "well it works as intended for the wolves, so it should have as well for the villager."
    In general, yes, I agree with you on this point, but I don't see how it applies to this case.

    There were ways to directly say what you did in the mini-games which wolves and villagers alike were doing. I mentioned that the wolves figured out how to do it in short order, but you seem to be thinking that the villagers didn't do it at all.

    BID did it. gabe did it. JKDS did it. At least JKDS's and gabe's hints were understood and talked about in-game.

    I feel I might be missing your greater point since I keep shooting you down so quickly.
    Usually you make me feel dumb 'cause you say stuff I should have thought of myself. Now, you're making me feel dumb 'cause I don't see the big deal.

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    I don't mind losing games here. I chose to just amp up my villager game and play at the problem, but you can see throughout my day 1 posts what I was doing - understanding the situation that the village was in and moving on to try to save a destined-to-be-lost day 1.

    But it's funny you should ask for a PM where I directly tell you these concerns, why couldn't you infer them from my posts?
    Oh, this one's easy:
    It's 'cause I'm about half 'tarded about half the time, and delete only helps hide the 'terded things I'd have said, but not the non-'tarded things I should have said.

    confession:
    I didn't notice anything particularly odd about your D1 play.

    Quote Originally Posted by a500lbgorilla View Post
    These hints don't redeem your modship philosophy for several reasons
    lolwat? redeem?

    I'm happy as a clam (a presumably quite happy clam) with how this went.
    Yes, there were mistakes, but this was a great game.

    I guess I owe you extra thanks for playing nicely even though you were so frustrated with the presentation.

    Thanks, rilla! I owe you one.



    re putting a hint in a gif:
    Yeah. You're totally right. There was only the 1 gif and it's stupid of me to think it would have stood out.
    Still, it wasn't remotely necessary from my POV. People were dropping hints, and other people were getting those hints.
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    That's fine. I don't really want to get into my thinking because I'm done giving away trade secrets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    MMM:

    Did you purposely post that strike gif as a hint?
    Definitely not. I googled "awesome flip" and that was on the first row of images.

    ong thought it was a hint, and that scared me.

    I polled the dead thread to see if anyone else saw any hint. Only after I said something did JKDS see it as a hint and then he sussed out what ong was worried about.
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    @BID: That just reads like your usual focus on ong.

    The only thing that even kinda stands out is that you said, "Twice."
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    yeah i'm comfortable not going on about it
  18. #93
    drew can be right about me all he wants so long as I win.
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    Don't ever start listening to drew, guys.
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    lol fuck
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    Quote Originally Posted by BankItDrew View Post
    lol fuck
    haha


    weeeee





    I listened.

    Worth it.
  22. #97
    didn't follow this at all but glad to see Ong-Boog team win.
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  23. #98
    I'm pretty sure that had I got lynched on final day, drew woulda got MVP.

    Denied.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OngBonga View Post
    That implies I don't think gator respects hoopy. That's not what I mean. Of course gator respects hoopy! What I intend to imply is that I think gator can read hoopy better than rascal, and gator respects rascal enough to be paranoid about him even when he appears a lock villager.
    Expert recovery there you wolfy son of a bitch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by baudib View Post
    didn't follow this at all but glad to see Ong-Boog team win.
    I blame it on gator, and I'm sticking to that story.
    Last edited by lilrascal; 01-13-2016 at 06:28 PM. Reason: Because I felt like it. :)
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