Christmas Carnage II

Oh jolly good, here comes gator.

lynch gator already

rescind

Just kidding. I'll put my vote back.

lynch drew

I will try to get caught up today but have sort of been following along already.

FWIW Rilla is rarely a wolf here imho.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

He tried to slam the brakes on the JKDS wagon when it was about to go through. There's no need for a wolf to do that. rascal is my top villager read.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Good point, he looks much better for that.

Don't put too much stock in this. I have made this move (I believe as recently as last game) as a wolf. It is an awesome move to make when none of the wagons are on a wolf.

gator's first post and he's trying to nip village reads in the bud.

I want smf back.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

gator's first post and he's trying to nip village reads in the bud.

I want smf back.

Just putting a dose of reality in there.

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Gator will be subbing in for SMF.

OK, going through page 1 and my immediate thoughts on wolfies go to Boog and rascal. What brought me there are a couple of things. First rascal jumps in with a JKDS lynch when the momentum was flipping between JKDS and boog. Also, I am pretty sure (without writing down the counts) that when Gabe made his "Pretty sure we aren't going to have a mislynch today" that boog was in the lead.

BID is also in the mix for this comment:

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

JKDS toning wolfy

I remember reading through the first page when the game started and my immediate thought was that JKDS was big time villager. BID's post here looks like he is setting up a JKDS lynch but with a hedge in case something better comes along.

Rascal looked better at the end of the page so I will slide down a bit on him for now.

SMF seemed null with his post on Day 1 and I have Ong and Rilla as more villager than wolf.

All of the above is through post 75.

Lynch boog

Unfortunately IRL has limited my time for this game, but I find myself agreeing with Hoopy a lot here. I'm still suspicious a bit about Ong, but that may be just because it's Ong.

BTW, phone posting sucks. I don't know if I'll be around for EOD, but I'll do my best.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

SMF seemed null with his post on Day 1....

If this was anyone other than gator, I'd give huge v points for this derp.

But it's gator.

Anyway, gator, smf is you. So if he's null from your pov, so are you.

OK boog and rascal can't be wolves together. There is no way that rascal rescinds JKDS (post 105) to put a fellow wolf in the lead.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

If this was anyone other than gator, I'd give huge v points for this derp.

But it's gator.

Anyway, gator, smf is you. So if he's null from your pov, so are you.

Lulz - It's nul. I never focused on who i subbed in for.

If either Boog or BID are wolves then rascal is lock villager imo.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

OK boog and rascal can't be wolves together. There is no way that rascal rescinds JKDS (post 105) to put a fellow wolf in the lead.

I agree with this, even if rascal can't be cleared for backing off JKDS. At least we know if he's a wolf that he voted for another villager. Otherwise he's crazier than I am.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

OK boog and rascal can't be wolves together. There is no way that rascal rescinds JKDS (post 105) to put a fellow wolf in the lead.

Did he know that BooG would be leader? There were a few people tied on 2 votes.

Originally Posted by BooG690

Rescind rilla

Rilla sounds reasonable in his last few posts. gabe has not helped his case and is sounding wolfier with every post. It's pretty easy to hide behind the "I'm not allowed to speak about what I'm thinking" argument and gabe is laying that argument on thick. Lynch gabe

I've hoopy, SMF and BID somewhere in the middle with all other players leaning villager. Meh.

This is the biggest reason why I think Boog is a wolf. At that time he was tied with JKDS so why not throw the vote immediately to him? Instead he tries to get Gabe lynched and when that fails THEN moves to JKDS.

I can't imagine a villager who is on the chopping block having that strong of a difference between the two to not vote for the one who can save his life.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Did he know that BooG would be leader? There were a few people tied on 2 votes.

This was the vote at that time:

JKDS (3) || ong [22], rascal [29], BID [59]
boog (2) || JKDS [9], gabe [13]
BID (1) || Hoopy [84]
gabe (1) || rilla [50]
rilla (1) || boog [24]

Originally Posted by BooG690

Do you think I'm that bad at this game where I'd nom gabe? I'm never nomming gabe there, ever. I'm actually surprised the wolves killed gabe, with him looking suspicious and all.I only jumped ship to JKDS out of self-preservation. If I were to do it over again, I wouldn't change my votes on D1 at all. Gabe was playing suspiciously and JKDS was the better lynch of the BID/JKDS imo. Also, with my vote parked on gabe and him being the bandwagon I openly supported, do you really think I nom him as a wolf there? I don't. That's suicide.

Hoopy, why ignore gabe's suspicions of rilla? BID, SMF, some input/effort would be nice.

This doesn't fit. If you really thought Gabe was the seer (and it was quite possible he was) then nomming him for the better of the team makes it a no brainer move.

All of Hoopy's posts look very surface level to me.

Hoopy's recent posts look a bit better especially if one of BID or Boog is a wolf.

Right now I have the following:

Strong villager leans
Rascal, Ong and somewhat rilla

Average to null villager leans
Hoopy

Strongest wolf leans
BID and Boog

With all of that though I think I like a lynch BID right now more than boog because I think a boog lynch seems to be too easy for both villagers and wolves to be on. I would rather see who votes for BID and who doesn't.

FWIW, the way things have played out so far I could also see wolf hoopy throwing wolf buddy Boog under the bus to gain some villager cred.

Greetings again.

It's time for



Player (votes) || Voter [post in which they voted]

boog (2) || rilla [214], rascal [234]
BID (2) || ong [227], Gator [245]
ong (1) || BID [213]

no vote (2) || boog, Hoopy


D2 ends in ~4 hours.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

drew has had little to say this game, but what he has said is... ong is a villager, lynch jkds; ong is a villager, lynch rilla; ong isn't a villager, lynch ong.

lynch drew

I find it fascinating that you argue with rilla about he must be a wolf, for what seemed like all day yesterday, producing walls of text providing evidence for bolding rilla, but then I go off the flow of the game for one small post and you pounce.

I think you're being opportunistic and disingenuous.

Wolves are ong and boog. You heard it here first.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

This doesn't fit. If you really thought Gabe was the seer (and it was quite possible he was) then nomming him for the better of the team makes it a no brainer move.

I agree. That says nothing about my train of thought. If anything, you see that gabe being a seer wasn't even on my radar.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

This is the biggest reason why I think Boog is a wolf. At that time he was tied with JKDS so why not throw the vote immediately to him? Instead he tries to get Gabe lynched and when that fails THEN moves to JKDS.

I can't imagine a villager who is on the chopping block having that strong of a difference between the two to not vote for the one who can save his life.

Why would I vote for JKDS if I saw him as a villager? I had time between this post and EOD.

It's crap that I'm getting lynched here. The arguments against me are weak and I'm pretty sure it's my name that's getting me lynched. Rilla looks a lot better after the exchange with Ong. Rascal, BID and Hoopy are posting just as minimally as I am. Take a closer look there imo.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I think you're being opportunistic and disingenuous.

Funny, this is exactly what I was thinking about you.

It looks to me like you were trying to jump on mislynch wagons while setting me up for the fall. If JKDS and rilla are both villagers, and you wolf, then my posts were beautiful for you. I was making it so easy for you. Once rilla is gone, I'm such an easy mislynch for the win, right? Only, rilla wasn't getting lynched, so you turn on me instead. Let me guess, rilla tomorrow when I flip v?

I find it fascinating that you can read me like no other, yet not once this game have you actually beat your chest and shouted it. You normally do.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Wolves are ong and boog. You heard it here first.

For someone who can read me when I'm wolf near perfectly, you don't seem to have a very good memory of how I go about wolfing.

If I'm wolf with boog, I'd have been looking to bus him as soon as JKDS named him as his rand.

Originally Posted by BooG690

Why would I vote for JKDS if I saw him as a villager? I had time between this post and EOD.

I went back and you did mention that you thought JKDS was villager so your vote on gabe seems more null than anything.

FWIW after the full review I think it is more likely that BID is a wolf than you are.

What do you think of BID?

Originally Posted by MadMojoMonkey

Greetings again.

It's time for



Player (votes) || Voter [post in which they voted]

boog (2) || rilla [214], rascal [234]
BID (2) || ong [227], Gator [245]
ong (1) || BID [213]

no vote (2) || boog, Hoopy


D2 ends in ~4 hours.

I voted for BooG, post #221.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

I went back and you did mention that you thought JKDS was villager so your vote on gabe seems more null than anything.

FWIW after the full review I think it is more likely that BID is a wolf than you are.

What do you think of BID?

BID has been more absent than everything. He's posted like BID this entire game (not much content, posting from his gut). The only post that sticks out to me is his "holiday hangover" post where he explains his absence. I remember thinking his reasoning for being absent was lazy.

Greetings again.

It's time for



Player (votes) || Voter [post in which they voted]

boog (3) || rilla [214], Hoopy [221], rascal [234]
BID (2) || ong [227], Gator [245]
ong (1) || BID [213]

no vote (1) || boog


D2 ends in ~2.5 hours.

Originally Posted by BooG690

BID has been more absent than everything. He's posted like BID this entire game (not much content, posting from his gut). The only post that sticks out to me is his "holiday hangover" post where he explains his absence. I remember thinking his reasoning for being absent was lazy.

So why aren't you voting for him then, especially when it may keep you alive?

Awesome top two wagons. I agree that Ong is v likely not a wolf.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

So why aren't you voting for him then, especially when it may keep you alive?

Because I'm rushed with writing and reading posts due to work.

Lynch BID

At computer now. Is 5pm deadline?

Seems as if nobody's around. I probably should have outed earlier. I'm an angel. I protected Ong my first night.

Originally Posted by BooG690

At computer now. Is 5pm deadline?

yes it is and if you want to stay alive you need to convince someone to put one more vote on BID.

Looks like BooG and BID are tied at 3 each with BooG winning the tie break.

BID is on Ong by himself.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

This was the vote at that time:

JKDS (3) || ong [22], rascal [29], BID [59]
boog (2) || JKDS [9], gabe [13]
BID (1) || Hoopy [84]
gabe (1) || rilla [50]
rilla (1) || boog [24]

Ok then, rascal looks pretty good if BooG is a wolf.

Originally Posted by BooG690

Seems as if nobody's around. I probably should have outed earlier. I'm an angel. I protected Ong my first night.

Why the hell would you protect me? I'd just run a bad JKDS wagon, I'm the last person the wolves would nom.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Why the hell would you protect me? I'd just run a bad JKDS wagon, I'm the last person the wolves would nom.

You were my strongest village read at the moment.

Originally Posted by BooG690

You were my strongest village read at the moment.

Even after JKDS flipped? Why?

Originally Posted by BooG690

Also, Drew, Rascal and Ong come off as pure, in that order.

Based on this Drew would be your strongest villager lean.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Based on this Drew would be your strongest villager lean.

And then Drew went a whole IRL day without posting.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Even after JKDS flipped? Why?

The flip didn't impact my view on you in any way. I understood how others could see JKDS as wolfy.

Originally Posted by BooG690

The flip didn't impact my view on you in any way. I understood how others could see JKDS as wolfy.

It should impact on who you think the wolves will target. Or more to the point, who they won't.

I can't see an angel protecting me. Furthermore, if boog is a wolf, what does he think happens here by claiming? We lynch drew.

Which implies drew is a villager.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

It should impact on who you think the wolves will target. Or more to the point, who they won't.

This is my first time playing any kind of villager special. I didn't think about who the wolves would target. I just thought about who had the most village equity.

rescind

I'm prepared to vote boog here, but doing so nails it. I'll hold fire in case anyone wants to add anything.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I can't see an angel protecting me. Furthermore, if boog is a wolf, what does he think happens here by claiming? We lynch drew.

Which implies drew is a villager.

I am not sure this is 100% true but it is definitely greater than 50%

Rescind Drew

I'm not angel.

I am clown. Once a night, I can peer into the soul of an audience member. I peeked BID my first night. Soulless ginger. Bad peek. Should've known.

haha that's a more believable claim!

So who are the wolves Boog?

nvm

Greetings again.

It's time for



Player (votes) || Voter [post in which they voted]

boog (3) || rilla [214], Hoopy [221], rascal [234]
BID (1) || Gator [245]
ong (1) || BID [213]

no vote (2) || ong [272], boog [274]


D2 ends in ~10 minutes.

Oh yay mojo is here. Let's get the flip.

lynch boog

Originally Posted by OngBonga

I can't see an angel protecting me. Furthermore, if boog is a wolf, what does he think happens here by claiming? We lynch drew.

Which implies drew is a villager.

Personally I think this post made him change his stance. He knew that the angel role wouldn't be viable long term and didn't think it through until you pointed this out.

In other words I still think there is a pretty good chance BID is the other wolf.

Originally Posted by OngBonga

Oh yay mojo is here. Let's get the flip.

Thread is closed.

Greetings again.


Player (votes) || Voter [post in which they voted]

boog (4) || rilla [214], Hoopy [221], rascal [234], ong [279]
BID (1) || Gator [245]
ong (1) || BID [213]

no vote (1) || boog [274]


Oh my. It looks like boog is getting lynched.

Stay tuned for the flip.

Night will last 24 hours.

D3 will begin on Thursday at 10:00 PM GMT.

Oh yeah, and boog's PM said he was a Wolf.

Spoiler: Show

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and it was totes legit.

A wolf flip:

Papyrus comes back from going to visit rilla and tell him how amazing he is.



rilla has also been murderfied to deadness.

It's pretty gruesome in there.


rilla's role PM said he was a VV.

Spoiler: Show

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and it was 100% accurate

Hey guys,
Metaton here!

Well, I thought the one sport team was going to win, but then the other sport team did a score, so now too exuberant to make up my robot mind!

Oh boy, I hope D3 is just as thrilling and chilling as D2.


Thread is now open.

D3 ends Sunday, January 10 at 10:00 PM GMT.

We're in a good spot here.

Lets win this thing.

BID has to be the lynch today. Him being the other wolf is the only reason for Boog to back off the angel claim.

I think it's drew but we should take our time. I'll have a full read tomorrow, I can't be bothered today now, it's gone 10pm.

Last wolf is still likely drew despite BooG's flip flopping yesterday.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

Wolves are ong and boog. You heard it here first.

Interesting he didn't jump on BooG at any point at EOD.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I find it fascinating that you argue with rilla about he must be a wolf, for what seemed like all day yesterday, producing walls of text providing evidence for bolding rilla, but then I go off the flow of the game for one small post and you pounce.

I think you're being opportunistic and disingenuous.

Best post all game from drew.

Off to bed, I'll review the thread tomorrow evening.

Originally Posted by Hoopy

Best post all game from drew.

Not from my pov.

Day 2 Vote Chartz

The only way BID is the other wolf is if we had w/w wagons yesterday. Which would be awesome and may be possible based on who BID's voted this game (gabe and JKDS on D1, rilla and Ong on D2).

Fortunately, today will be an extended day and I'll get a chance to look at things more closely on the weekend.

Originally Posted by lilrascal

The only way BID is the other wolf is if we had w/w wagons yesterday. Which would be awesome and may be possible based on who BID's voted this game (gabe and JKDS on D1, rilla and Ong on D2).

Fortunately, today will be an extended day and I'll get a chance to look at things more closely on the weekend.

Rascal, if BID isn't a wolf why would Boog reacind.

Originally Posted by GatorJH

Rascal, if BID isn't a wolf why would Boog reacind.

IDK. It was 3/2 Boog/BID when he rescinded. Boog rescinding had no outcome on the results.

He was worried about others rescinding

Originally Posted by GatorJH

He was worried about others rescinding

Possibly, but there was only 16 minutes until EOD and it didn't look like there was going to be much movement.

I'm not the last wolf and I haven't got the slightest clue who is.

Originally Posted by BankItDrew

I'm not the last wolf and I haven't got the slightest clue who is.

I would guess either gator or hoopy, just because they were the first two to mention me today. Although, gameflow might feel like it's me, and the last wolf doesn't have to bring it up.