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Wherein I almost got it in on all streets* vs Barry** (LC)

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  1. #1

    Default Wherein I almost got it in on all streets* vs Barry** (LC)

    * but instead played a small pot
    ** presumed barry

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 320 Tournament, 30/60 Blinds (9 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    SB (t4525)
    Hero (BB) (t14700)
    UTG (t8887)
    UTG+1 (t7007)
    MP1 (t10120)
    MP2 (t3130)
    barryg1 (MP3) (t13055)
    CO (t1856)
    Button (t7320)

    Hero's M: 163.33

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K, A
    4 folds, barryg1 bets t180, 3 folds, Hero calls t120

    Flop: (t390) 9, 7, K (2 players)
    Hero checks, barryg1 bets t240, Hero calls t240

    Turn: (t870) 10 (2 players)
    Hero checks, barryg1 checks

    River: (t870) 8 (2 players)
    Hero checks, barryg1 bets t840, Hero calls t840

    Total pot: t2550

    Results:
    Hero mucked K, A (one pair, Kings).
    barryg1 had J, A (straight, Jack high).
    Outcome: barryg1 won t2550
  2. #2
    were you planning on check-raising the turn?
  3. #3
    that's a big river block, no?


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  4. #4
    Quote Originally Posted by revolvingiris
    were you planning on check-raising the turn?
    i wasn't folding, depended on what he bet
  5. #5
    I'm just surprised to see you play slow on a wet board. You don't have the Ac so this is still in his range.

    Did you just not want to bloat the pot for a big river bet? It just seems like the turn is a good spot to get it in.
  6. #6
    Hero's M: 163.33
    i felt like the best value I was going to get was two barrels . The pot is 870 on the turn so I would not have been pumped to put 12k more in.
  7. #7
    Yeah I don't know why I said that...I still like a turn bet though.
  8. #8
    Bluff hands: AT/AQ/QT/55/44/33/22

    Value hands: JT/KJ/AJ/JJ/66/88

    Haven't checked yet but it looks like he'll be bluffing more than 33% of the time. It helps that he checked the turn because you can pretty safely eliminate hands like QJ/J8/KT/KK from the value range. Plus you could even add more bluffs if you figure his PF range is super wide from the hijack

    I play the hand the same way
  9. #9
    If you want to let every draw on earth get there then I guess check calling down is fine.

    I know you guys are better than me and all but I just don't see what hands Barry is going to give you so much value with that don't beat you on this board.

    KQ, KJ are about it.

    If you bet out on turn and he raises it. It would be SO easy to come over the top.
  10. #10
    those are the reasons I don't want to play a big pot. What worse hands are calling the turn 3 bet? What better hands will he fold?

    I can see leading the turn or check raising but they both have risks, just like having it check through does.

    re the value, hopefully he bluffs a lot on the turn if I check, whereas if I bet he'll fold most of the hands we beat and can still raise and put us in a tough spot on the turn and river which is tougher the bigger the pot gets.

    I don't think he'll fold any 8 out draws for 1 bet and he's already made some draws. So 'every draw in the world' seems like mostly gutters. We would prefer not to give them free cards but no play is perfect vs an entire range vs a competent player.
  11. #11
    Sorry for being a nub, but is this Barry Greenstein or some other Barry G I should know about?

    Only thing I'm confused about is softplaying preflop+flop. I can see one or the other but not both. After that I can understand wanting to keep it small as the cards keep getting worse.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  12. #12
    drmcboy puts it better than i can.

    leading the turn definetly seems like an option. if you get raised, coming over the top actually seems really spewy. your basically forcing barry to only continue with better hands. pretty sure that's his actual screen name too (the Barry Greenstein)
  13. #13
    yeah it's his account, not sure it was him playing. He was pretending to be himself if not.

    re baudid is your plan to CR the flop then barrel the turn and river? Again, what hands are we hoping he'll call me down with? I'm just not able to see a scenario where all three streets get bet, one twice, and I have the best hand.
  14. #14
    IDK doc, I don't feel you have to stack off anywhere in this hand but seems like basic poker when you have AKs and then TPTK on a wet board OOP we should be putting in a raise somewhere. I understand keeping it small and I agree our chances of winning a big pot here are pretty slim.

    I just think we increase our chances of winning a small pot, as opposed to giving free cards and increasing our chances of losing it.
    Playing big pots at small stakes.
  15. #15
    I don't know how to keep the pot small while not allowing people to draw, esp OOP. Plan the hand. We CR the flop, he calls, now what? I notice you didn't bother to answer but went with "basic poker". I would think that also involves trying to get the most value for your hand, not folding the best hand, and not getting moved off a good draw before the river. Or is that "advanced poker"?

    Food for thought - why do you think Barry checked a NFD and double gutter?

    LC thread fail, I'm banning myself.
  16. #16
    I think there is something to be said for betting someone out of a pot. His tendency to think you'll pay off his draw can be exploited by betting the turn and folding the river.

    I don't think you can lead the flop as you would have ended up in the same situation as you are in as played.

    However, I think if you would have check-raised the flop to say 720 the pot will be 1830 going to the turn. Barry will have a pretty hard time calling a PSB on turn as he would have no idea if his straight draws would be good. So this would essentially give him 9 outs to continue and his options would be either shove or fold. If he shoves your calling with almost your entire range and he only has an 18% chance of improving.
  17. #17
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    Plan the hand. We CR the flop, he calls, now what? I notice you didn't bother to answer but went with "basic poker". I would think that also involves trying to get the most value for your hand, not folding the best hand, and not getting moved off a good draw before the river. Or is that "advanced poker"?
    Doc, I hope you answer this...I'm confused because I'm not sure why "having a plan" to CR the flop has to lead us to stacking off on later streets. Don't we adjust based on his reaction to our CR, timing tells, and the turn and river cards? (Given the turn card, I'd probably always check it).

    Basically I don't understand why we are letting control of the hand go because we're up against a good player. I also don't think it's standard to get 3 streets of value out of TPTK when OOP anyway.
  18. #18
    shit...I just read what (LC) means...lol sorry

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