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    Default TP+FD OOP, what's your line? ($22)

    MP2 is 45/13 over 200 hands, no reads on Button. I want to lead out with a small bet, WWYD? Do we shut down to a call and fold to a reraise?

    Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is $60 (10 handed) by Hand Converter CG

    UTG+2 ($1940)
    MP1 ($2780)
    MP2 ($1800)
    MP3 ($1940)
    CO ($2910)
    Button ($1200)
    SB ($1940)
    Hero ($1600)
    UTG ($2090)
    UTG+1 ($1800)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 7.
    UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls $60, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button calls $60, SB folds, Hero checks.

    Flop: ($210) K, J, A (3 players)
    Hero ?
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    Check /Fold
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    I agree with the check fold. Your flush draw is worthless against 2 opps being out of position, so the hand you are really playing is top pair with a weak kicker against at least one player that could easily have any two of the cards on the board, or Q/T clubs.

    It is possible that top pair weak kicker is the best hand at the moment, but you certainly can't be confident enough about that to put out a nice strong open bet on the flop. If you do put out a bet on the flop, it will look really weird to the other players because you checked preflop. What hand hits that board but checks preflop against limpers? Only made baby flushes or a Qc/Tc + x type of hand. If opponents have Qc, Tc, or two pair or better they will be raising you.

    Leading out with a small bet is throwing money away because 1. It encourages stronger draws to call, further building the pot. 2. It encourages stronger aces or two pair to raise. 3. It encourages made hands that have 7c beat to slow play.

    Do you shut down if your small flop bet is called? That looks like easy pickins if I am on the button.
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    C/F is so weak though... It is likely we have the best hand out there and the best draw. While we don't have a monster I'd be more inclined to c/c, but it is a horrible spot and I'm not sure...
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    I c/f because even if we hit a card we like such as an Ace or a club we aren't going to be confident enough to get alot of value.
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    I don't really care about not getting a lot of value, my problem is that we just surrender a decent hand to some idiot on the button who decides he wants to semibluff with 2c. I guess it would be spewy to call a bet on a blank turn, but I don't know how many worse hands will fire again on the turn....

    I guess c/cing could be setting up losing a big pot but I don't think that's a problem as long as we c/f turn. This is a really tough spot though, we could be absolutely crushed...

    Also, if the turn is checked and the river is blank I also don't know wtf to do... bet/fold? c/c again? This hand is gross!
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    Yup this is ugly.
    If in doubt, fold, especially in SnG's where these small pots don't matter.
  8. #8
    I agree w/ everything TwoKicker said.
  9. #9
    TP with no kicker and a draw to a weak FD with 4 on board on a multiway pot, I would check fold.


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