Split from dos & don'ts: Raising less than AI not pushin

As far as 5) goes I'm almost always adhering to that for a guideline (some circumstances may warrant a slight alteration).. but I have a question here.
What about what Moshmann says in his book about occassionally raising slightly less than you're full stack even when only on say 10 or 11bb (ie. around 2/3stack) for 'psychological reasons'?
I've noticed the occassional player doing that on the tables I play on (I play the $5's,$6', $10's & $11's). Can we just assume these players have also been reading Moshmann's book? As he states, there's something about it being psychologically more difficult to raise from bigger stack (say on the blinds) then to just call the shortstack shove, when shortstack is leaving a bit behind (obvioiusly the 'bit' behind is negligible and we're assuming all the money is going in when we're calculating odds... no need to pick at that aspect.. as it's not what I'm saying here).
I don't know.. what do you guys think? Do any of you ever bother to incorporate that move?

I occasionally use this principal, usually when I don't want a call. The advantage of using this approach is usually at least 1 person at the table is going to miss that your 3xbb raise leaves you with only 80 chips chips behind, and will sometimes mistakenly fold. Also, as Moshman says, it invokes a fear that you actually have a hand and want a call.

Conversely I have made errors calling bets like 533 because I mistakenly thought opps were AI.

I think what you are suggesting here falls beyond the scope of Taipan's thread.

Originally Posted by Poker Orifice

What about what Moshmann says in his book about occassionally raising slightly less than you're full stack even when only on say 10 or 11bb (ie. around 2/3stack) for 'psychological reasons'?
I've noticed the occassional player doing that on the tables I play on (I play the $5's,$6', $10's & $11's). Can we just assume these players have also been reading Moshmann's book? As he states, there's something about it being psychologically more difficult to raise from bigger stack (say on the blinds) then to just call the shortstack shove, when shortstack is leaving a bit behind (obvioiusly the 'bit' behind is negligible and we're assuming all the money is going in when we're calculating odds... no need to pick at that aspect.. as it's not what I'm saying here).
I don't know.. what do you guys think? Do any of you ever bother to incorporate that move?

I've also seen this, but the reason I wouldn't do it is the (non-zero!) chance that you misclick and fold. Believe me, I've seen it happen a number of times to people who have raised less than AI.

Originally Posted by taipan168

I've also seen this, but the reason I wouldn't do it is the (non-zero!) chance that you misclick and fold. Believe me, I've seen it happen a number of times to people who have raised less than AI.

Taipan, I think you are mis-interpreting this as a stop-and-go. I think what he is referring to is raising 7xbb to 700, instead of going AI with 750. I think Moshman was suggesting that this play gives you a small psychological edge in that you still have chips behind, albeit a tiny amount. I need to check Moshman's book tho and unfortunately it's a port somewhere, awaiting transport.

Edit ... ok, I missed your point completely.

This is an equation though. If the,

chance of misclick > edge you gain by raising less than AI

then you should go AI every time.

An example of what I meant was, ie. blinds at 100/200, 1800 left in stack in CO, 5 or 6players remaining, raising to say 1400 as opposed to AI, due to it creating a psychological component for bigstack to not call, knowing they're basically calling a shove but would really be raising then ss shove which seems kind of 'odd'.
Moshmann gives a few examples in his book and I've been noticing this a bit lately (players leaving 1/5, 1/6 of stack behind, creating an 'appearance' of stength).

I don't know... maybe it doesn't belong in the article at all.. .and perhaps just some other discussion,.. some other time. Although, I have folded on occassion at times when I may have called the shove if they'd shoved instead.

Again... cool post.

I just treat this kind of wacky almost-AI bet the same as an AI, particularly if I have a read on the player doing it (usually a regular).

I don't do this but I will sometimes CALL for 80% of my stack instead of shoving the rest in. This usually happens when I have a big hand and don't want to scare off more action.

I.E.: I have 900 chips in the SB. Blinds are 100/200 and there's a limper in MP. Button shoves for his last 750. I have AA and, instead of shoving, I just cold call $650 more, making no show of strength, giving the BB better odds to call as well as the limper. I need to triple/quadruple up here and welcome multiway action.