QQ early stages of $15 180 player

two player behind me + the SB are 0/0 over 4 hands. UTG is 25/25 over 4. no reads.

turn i see no merit in betting because there are still so many Kx combos in villain's ranges, particularly the two behind me, which aren't folding to a bet (especially when flop is checked round). once the two villians behind me check back i'm pretty confident that neither has an ace. i think kings can now be discounted to some degree, as well as flush draws.

OTR when the two guys scting before me check i am confident i have them beat. however i still cant see much worse calling a bet, or any better folding. so i plan to check/decide. MP3's bet seems really polarising. he can certainly have backed into a set with 88, and he may have some K8s depending how loose he is pre. other than that, i expect him to have bet most of his aces/kings/flush draws on earlier streets. especially being IP in a 5-handed pot. call or fold?


PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 15 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (9 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP1 (t1570)
MP2 (t1490)
MP3 (t1470)
CO (t1390)
Button (t1500)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1660)
Hero (UTG) (t1440)
UTG+1 (t1500)

Hero's M: 48.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q, Q
Hero bets t70, 2 folds, MP2 calls t70, MP3 calls t70, 2 folds, SB calls t60, BB calls t50

Flop: (t350) A, 3, K (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks

Turn: (t350) 2 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks

River: (t350) 8 (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets t300,2 folds, Hero?

I'd just fold.

I'd fold. would much rather put say 175 in OTT as your last action vs call here.

just fold. I know what you're saying but he has all kinds of flush combos and in a 5-way pot people play really nitty because they're not convinced till the river check that you're not tarping with AA/KK/AK, because that's what they'd do, so he doesn't have the balls to bet A7/KJ till the river.

Honestly with QQ+ or AKs I'd raise to 100-140 pf. It's painfully transparent to anyone who has a clue about what's going on, but in the first blind level of a MTT there are so many idiots who just can't let go of their QJ to pay you off and more.

As played just fold. There's little chance you have the best hand here.

Originally Posted by Chusko

Honestly with QQ+ or AKs I'd raise to 100-140 pf. It's painfully transparent to anyone who has a clue about what's going on, but in the first blind level of a MTT there are so many idiots who just can't let go of their QJ to pay you off and more.
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Then everyone would fold and you'd win 30....

3.5x raise UTG is showing enough strength as it is.

many a time in the sunday storm or whatever it was called I'd make a goofy large raise pre with a big hand with good results. When was the last time you tried it?

Originally Posted by drmcboy

many a time in the sunday storm or whatever it was called I'm make a goofy large raise pre with a big hand with good results. When was the last time you tried it?

Hmm.. I guess probably the last time I played the Sun Storm tbh (pot went multi-way, lol)

Originally Posted by drmcboy

many a time in the sunday storm or whatever it was called I'd make a goofy large raise pre with a big hand with good results. When was the last time you tried it?

True dat. But I'd generally stick to a 3.5x.

With all the checks around why weren't you C-betting on the flop to see where you stood with the rest of the players. Ax woulda stayed Kx would of stayed and from the amount of players that were in the pot seems like a very loose table and only 1 at most had that. And 4 others beside you in the pot the possibility of the flush draw is definately there but you could have bet him over his pot odds to make him fold for that flush draw on the turn leaving the ace or king there most likely not having flush draws then when it hit on river the guy that folded his draw was already gone and you would have looked like the player semi-bluffing or having the stronger ace/king. Just my opinion on the psychology that goes on with some of these players.