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  1. #1

    Default Late Tournament Agression

    Often when I get three handed or heads up at the end of a tournament one of the players will go into all in or fold mode and start shoving around 75% of the time even with everybody having 30+ bbs. Is the best strategy to wait for a good hand or to call them off with hands like a3 and hope that your hand holds up? I think I know the answer to this question but I want to make sure because the way im currently playing these spots seems like im losing a lot of value.
  2. #2
    Post some hands. 3-handed is different than HU cuz you have to consider ICM. Generally speaking no, you're not looking to call all-in with a hand like A3 30bb+.
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  3. #3
    Back when I was grinding mid-stakes online SNGs, I lost a TON of expectation precisely in these types of situations because I wasn't prepared to counter such a strategy. When I began doing the ICM work on my own, I tightened up my bubble and ITM calling ranges with very positive short-term results.

    I was definitely calling too much with A-rag, KQ, KJ hands when facing the shoves you're referring to in 180-mans. It was simply a case of going too fast (mass-tabling will do that) and not thinking about ranges. There are better spots long-term to snap off 30BB+ deep in a tournament from my experience.
  4. #4
    Thanks for the advice. I feel like it is hard to comment on how to play out these spots by posting hands because your not getting a lot of the information of how the is shoving. I typically wait until getting a good hand to go all in for these spots but it seems like I have been getting blinded down a lot lately waiting for hands/ running bad when I get it all in good. To get better I will start studying ICM a lot because I should be able to gain a lot of value there.
  5. #5
    Good idea. Getting blinded-down to 20x and then running a premium hand into a superior holding, race, or getting bad-beat is just part of the game. Putting some time into ICM will allow you to make the correct decisions--granted your ranges are accurate.

    Best of luck!
  6. #6
    Quote Originally Posted by Credsfan03 View Post
    Thanks for the advice. I feel like it is hard to comment on how to play out these spots by posting hands because your not getting a lot of the information of how the is shoving. I typically wait until getting a good hand to go all in for these spots but it seems like I have been getting blinded down a lot lately waiting for hands/ running bad when I get it all in good. To get better I will start studying ICM a lot because I should be able to gain a lot of value there.
    Perhaps you are being blinded down so often because you are not actively stealing enough chips when you're first or second to act? You don't necessarily have to shove to steal chips.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord View Post
    Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

    blog: http://donkeybrainspoker.com/


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  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by donkbee View Post
    Perhaps you are being blinded down so often because you are not actively stealing enough chips when you're first or second to act? You don't necessarily have to shove to steal chips.
    Thats a very valid point. When in the small blind heads up vs extremely aggressive opponents I do tend to shrink my opening range by a lot.
  8. #8
    In the SB vs an aggro BB, tightening your range is going to be correct quite often, but don't tighten up TOO much. The most important thing is that you'll want to make sure you're playing tons of buttons. If the SB is open raising a lot when you are in the BB, you will also want to play as many of these pots as possible (assuming he isn't just jamming).
    Quote Originally Posted by Fnord View Post
    Why poker fucks with our heads: it's the master that beats you for bringing in the paper, then gives you a milkbone for peeing on the carpet.

    blog: http://donkeybrainspoker.com/


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  9. #9
    I tend to fold hands like A3 vs maniacs, even HU, simply because we're very rarely dominant. I'd be going something like AT+ 77+, because I feel this range will hold up against villains often enough to make it better than calling a wider range that might still be ahead, but not by much. I don't fancy 55-45 spots for stacks, not when I'm confident villain is gonna shove himself into a worse spot often enough.

    It's possible that some people switch to push-or-fold with average sized stacks short handed because they're aware they lack the skills and/or endurance to play short handed, especially at final table of a gruelling tournament. Personally, I feel like I have an edge when short handed in a long MTT because I have long game endurance and am happy to adjust from tight aggressive to loose aggressive short handed. It's just a shame I very rarely find myself short handed in such games.
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  10. #10

    Default poker definitions

    Quote Originally Posted by donkbee View Post
    You don't necessarily have to shove to steal chips.
    Been playing off and on for years, but never put much work into strategy or even leaning some basic definitions. Being unsure of the definition of "shove", I did a quick Google for "shove poker". The top link .

    (www)flopturnriver.com/poker-dictionary/shove.php
  11. #11
    Late in tournaments you definitely should be more agressive when you are in position and steal more blinds!
  12. #12
    your in heads up , u have A RAG, K, Q J 10 ect any 2 off thease cards hit the flop . think about range and position for stealing a lot off the pots

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