Just got called a donk for this hand

am i donk for flat calling preflop, and how I played? Tuffgong and felted butter think so.


Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 250/500 Blinds 50 Ante (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO (t14620)
Button (t6984)
SB (t13205)
Hero (BB) (t9000)
UTG (t9715)
UTG+1 (t16183)
MP1 (t37250)
MP2 (t11267)

Hero's M: 7.83

Preflop: Hero is BB with 3, 3
4 folds, CO bets t1250, 2 folds, Hero calls t750

Flop: (t3150) 3, 10, 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t2325, Hero calls t2325

Turn: (t7800) A (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets t10995 (All-In), Hero calls t5375 (All-In)

it's fine, 3 bet or ship pre are also options. if you are calling it should be with a plan to try and win some pots without a set. If you're set mining then it's bad because usually the opener won't have a hand to pay off with.

There is of course nothing wrong with reviewing your play, but don't worry about what people say at the table. The guy is mad you beat him a pot, and the other guy is mad it wasn't him. More important, they think you played bad and decided to tell you about it. That should tell you all you need to know about their poker abilities.

PS you are a donk for posting results! I re posted and converted both your hands.

Id much rather shove preflop. As drmcboy said, you can't be purely setmining. I don't think trying to make moves postflop is going to be very effective with your hand and how short you are. You could donklead some flops where you miss, but if called or raised you pretty much have to shut down. Plus a lot of times you could end up making incorrect bet/folds when they decide to play back.

If check/shoving a lot of flops is going to be profitable, that means he has a really wide range and a resteal preflop is going to be that much more effective

the villian had been showing good hands. i had previously shoved over villians raise with 99 from my sb, so i thought he was going to instacall in this instance, and lately im trying to get away from shoving with low pairs for my stack.

i basically WAS setming, and i knew he would pay me off if i looked like i was weak calling based on his previous plays. so this IS a donk play? i was hoping to hit a set, or a flop like 246 or something where i would have a few more outs and no broadway cards and then shove the flop....

"Good hands" in this spot includes lots of unpaired hands like AK that may miss, and 88 is not paying you off when it comes AK3.

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lately im trying to get away from shoving with low pairs for my stack.
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this is a really poor mindset.

I think that this deep preflop a shove or maybe a fold is much better than calling.

[QUOTE=drmcboy;1939230"
lately im trying to get away from shoving with low pairs for my stack.
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this is a really poor mindset.[/QUOTE]

Please help me understand why. When I have been making this play (all in late with small PP), hands like 88 are calling me preflop and knocking me out. I understand 33 is 55% to 45% vs 2 overcards, but shoving here, if I get a call, Im at best 55%. Is it worth it to put everything on the line with such a low pair? I do have 5% advantage, but only if he doesnt have a higher pp. Are you saying everytime I have pockets late in the tourney I should be shoving?

no, you should do it when it's a good play, typically when you have some FE vs an aggressive opener. If someone has 88 thems the breaks.

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Call is fine here. If you hit alot of Ax type hands,top pair and overpairs to the board will pay you off.
Shove here? Don't see it. With the opp showing 'good hands' I would suspect we're behind his range here. How many times does he fold here? Enough to make it +ev? If he calls we're at best 50/50 but most likey far behind.
We're risking 750 and if we hit and get paid off we get +/- 9000. 12 to 1. I think we get paid off by enough hands here at this stage in the game to make this a better play then shoving.


narcoticex, open up pokerstove and put him on a range of hands that you think he has. Then put him on a range that you think he'll call your shove.
I think you'll see that at best you're 50/50(with a wide range) but most likely behind.

edit: Something to think about-put in pokerstove 97o vs 33. I think people here are overvauling small PP's.

Originally Posted by tpb221

edit: Something to think about-put in pokerstove 97o vs 33. I think people here are overvauling small PP's.

Calling is bad. I think you are overvaluing your tournament life. Also, put 97o in pokerstove vs. a range of his likely hands. I like a reraise to $3,500 and ship the flop.

Originally Posted by narcoticrex

the villian had been showing good hands. i had previously shoved over villians raise with 99 from my sb, so i thought he was going to instacall in this instance....

I think some of you posters are not paying attention to the game situation he's describing. If this is true, how is a 3bet going to be a good move? If he's going to instacall a shove, what's he going to do with a 3bet?
I'm ok with call as long as you're able to take down a decent number of flops without hitting a set. If you think he's aggro vs. you enough (maybe steamed from previous hand) that he's going to call along a bunch, this may not be an option - it will be hard to know where you stand.
I think shove pre is fine too.

shoving over a raise with 99 is totally standard and has no bearing on the hand because no one would be more likely to call after someone shipped 99, if anything they will be worried you need a much bigger hand than 33.

As for "has been showing good hands" he raised 2.5x which indicates some level of awareness and is in the CO so thinking he doesn't steal because he showed down a couple hands doesn't make sense. In addition 33 is 40/60 vs the top 10% so it isn't like a 3 bet or shove is a bad play even if that's his range.

So let's say ignoring irrelevant details rather than not paying attention.