JJ $12 (t) 6max raise vs shove

generally i just shove in this spot, but both players seemed super bad loose only like 6 hands in but raiser has been in 4 of 6 and caller 100/0, they probably fold most garbage to a shove but might call a 3 bet here, obv with 3 bet i get it in after flop, i bet to leave ~pot size bet on flop.
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NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
Hero ($1,305)
BB ($1,500)
UTG ($1,508)
UTG+1 ($1,455)
CO ($1,942)
BTN ($1,290)

Dealt to Hero J J

UTG raises to $80, fold, CO calls $80, fold, [color=red]Hero raises to $400,

I like the line against bad players because you can generally get more chips in because they are more likely to call the 3bet then the shove pre. It only sucks on flops that hit their range hard, but loose players it's hard to range them so it's tough to know what hit. You will get paid off when they hit mid or bottom pair on a dry board though.

This is fine against players who will call your 3-bet with worse and won't shove over only with better, but if you take this line you are pretty much committed to any flop.

Originally Posted by taipan168

This is fine against players who will call your 3-bet with worse and won't shove over only with better, but if you take this line you are pretty much committed to any flop.

yea that was the plan