Infinite River aggression.. Low Content

I've been working on my aggression and just finished up a set of 11 SnG's. My river aggression is "Infinite", meaning that I never called a river bet I only bet or raised.



my WTSD/W@SD is really high too.. I got called a lot by horrible hands.


Not sure why I posted just wanted to brag i guess

If you don't know what to do you should OBV bet/raise.

Why are you so interested in increasing your aggro?
What caused you to think you need to make these changes.



My guess you were bubbling too many times and thus thought you were losing value mid game?


HotC

P.S. Move up to where they respect your raises obviously.

Originally Posted by HotChocolate

If you don't know what to do you should OBV bet/raise.

Why are you so interested in increasing your aggro?
What caused you to think you need to make these changes.



My guess you were bubbling too many times and thus thought you were losing value mid game?


HotC

P.S. Move up to where they respect your raises obviously.

Pretty good guess

historically i've been a uber nit, push/fold and I'm really getting sick of relying on 60/40's when we're 5-6 handed. there are more chips to be had along the way and I plan to find them.

my last 90 sng's. A TON of 4-6

1 - 9
2 - 10
3 - 10
4 - 15
5 - 15
6 - 11
7 - 8
8 - 7
9 - 5


Where as a month ago my last 100 stretch was
1 - 15
2 - 10
3 - 17
4 - 11
5 - 7
6 - 15
7 - 13
8 - 8
9 - 5



Those show that a stretch of 100 SnG's don't matter, 200 don't matter.. Sng's get streaky when you rely too heavily on push/fold poker.

I'm trying to find more chips along the way through any means possible.

How many tables do you play?
How many hours a week?

What is your best guess at your ROI?

HotC

Uhm ya, you need 1k+ at the minimum (2k is best) to have a reasonable ROI estimate.

HotC - My best guess at my overall ROI is about 11-12%. I know what it takes to generate what could be considered a "sample size" to estimate your ROI. The ROI I quote is based on about 1500 SnG's on party poker/empire/Europoker and 500 on AP/Stars, so ~2,000 sample.

I used to 8 table party Sng's (4 on party, 4 on empire) back when you could only play 4 tables at a time and US players were allowed there. My ROI there was around 14% +/- 2%. I have 500+ SnG's on Stars / AP in my PTDB with an ROI of 9%, so I'm guesstimating @ 11-12%. If someone really wants to take 30 seconds and do the math feel free.

As for how many I play or Hr/s per week, it varies and isn't steady or consistant enough to calculate an ROI. It could be 5 in a week, or 30 in a day. 1 at a time or 12x, if I get the urge.


I will say that I'm fully aware of what it takes to calculate ROI. I don't have enough recent hands (within the last 2-3 months) to judge my current ROI. I know what happens when you play 2, 4,8,16 tables at a time, roi decreases and hourly rate goes up, and where to calculate point of diminishing returns.


Everyone in this forum "Kill Phil", "Push bot poker", "ICM" poker, maximize your "Folding Equity". I'm not saying ICM isn't great, or that you don't need to know how to play push/fold. Everyone just wants to get their chips in preflop with a 5% edge.

Now i'll restate why I said earlier that 100 SnG's means nothing and I felt like I was leaving money on the table along the way and just trying to find ways to pick it up. After all isn't the goal of a SnG to get all of the chips?

Originally Posted by HotChocolate

If you don't know what to do you should OBV bet/raise.

P.S. Move up to where they respect your raises obviously.

Maybe I was just that sure of where I was in the hand.

as for Moving up, tell me at what stakes they start respecting raises and I'll consider it.

Sorry Mike I was really trying to be funny with the move up line. I am new and its on a board so I can see how that might be a bad idea.

Adding some spice to your game is good for you as a poker player and increases your learning. I am not against this its just you can only expect to get to a certain point ROI wise and the more hands you get involved in the less tables you can play at the same level.

Basically if you want to do this because your frustrated that alot of money in SnGs comes down to coin flip situations every game maybe you should try playing other forms of poker that are less reliant on these situations.

If on the other hand this is a mild change you want to make to increase your skill and roi and you will end up settling somewhere between hyper aggressive and old mike that is just fine.

I think a 10+ %roi is fairly good and I question what you think you can get it up to with the changes. Not saying 10-12 is max at all just saying its pretty good.

Sorry for all my questions and sorry to put you on the defensive. I only ask because I think the same things every once in awhile after a particularly brutal string of losing flips.

Have a great day and good luck at the tables.

HotC

I'm pretty sure infinite river agression is a bad thing

Originally Posted by HotChocolate

Sorry Mike I was really trying to be funny with the move up line. I am new and its on a board so I can see how that might be a bad idea.

I understood the humor and appreciate it. But really if you can tell me what stakes they respect raises I'll consider it I've played as high as $55's as a regular game, which is where I saw the difference.

Originally Posted by HotChocolate

Basically if you want to do this because your frustrated that alot of money in SnGs comes down to coin flip situations every game maybe you should try playing other forms of poker that are less reliant on these situations.

Been there done that.. I lived in LHE for a long time, and NL and MTT's.. I always find myself coming back go Sng's though.

Originally Posted by HotChocolate

If on the other hand this is a mild change you want to make to increase your skill and roi and you will end up settling somewhere between hyper aggressive and old mike that is just fine.

I'm having 2 sessions and playing hper aggressive in one , and not so aggressive in the second. The goal is to work my way to a point where I'm plenty agro without being wreckless. But to learn where wreckless ends I want to go there.

Originally Posted by HotChocolate

I think a 10+ %roi is fairly good and I question what you think you can get it up to with the changes. Not saying 10-12 is max at all just saying its pretty good.

"Fairly good" isn't what i'm going for but I'm not sure what i'm going for.

Where does your edge/ROI end against bad players? 15%? 20% 25% 30%+? If yuo were playing 1-2 tables giving 100% all the time what would yoru ROI look like? To find out look at the "Post your SnG stats here thread and look at DavSimons post. I knew him pretty well and he was very detailed about his record keeping and will vouche that his ROI was true in that post. He was playing 1-2 tables max and playing his A game nearly all the time.

I don't know what his hourly rate was, but running 4 tables @ 10% pays the same as running 2 tables @ 20%.

So are you an ROI or $ motivated person?
I'm sure I had a point to make somewhere in that last paragraph but I lost it along the way.

Originally Posted by HotChocolate

Sorry for all my questions and sorry to put you on the defensive. I only ask because I think the same things every once in awhile after a particularly brutal string of losing flips.

We all think that way. Keep questioning people too, you might upset some but they will get over it, and you will spark good posts and invoke deeper thinking out of people.

Originally Posted by WildBobAA

I'm pretty sure infinite river agression is a bad thing

Well without a doubt it is unsustainable I posted it because i've never seen it in my PTDB, just in hacker/posts on other forums.