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    Default HTF do ppl handle varience / idiots seriously?

    I just wanna rant and am happy to take abuse but apart from last night where I ran into AA 7 times in MTTs and had mine cracked and lost with KK twice this is what happened in my last 2...

    If nothing else i hope i make some ppl that have had the same crap feel better.

    First is a $2 rebuy 10K guaranteed on stars. I have like 60K blinds are like 400 / 800. Im on button with KK and there is a raise to 2.5K and a call from HJ.

    I raise to 10K, first guy calls second guy folds. Flop obv. comes A29. He checks I way up checking behind but think since i have KK i could easily have squeezed with AK and am betting because the pot is big.

    So I bet a little bit over half pot with leaves me a reasonable shove amount should I (unlikely) get called. Im thinking he folds or jams (which I have to pass to)

    So he calls which I'm a bit thrown by. But more importantly he is almost narrowing his range to AA, a set, or a weak ace as surely AJ or AQ is passing or jamming and if he has AA or a set then oh well im pretty damn committed. So I jam the turn (blank) thinking snap me off or pass ur weak ace.

    He calls for his entire stack and flips AJ.

    Now to make this more crazy there were 200 left out of over 3,200 entrants and a decent first prize of like $3,300.

    So he called a decent reraise with a hand probably dominated or racing.. an ace hits (bad enough in itself deep in a tournie with KK), and then he calls will AJ when facing considerable strength on flop and turn for his whole tournie.



    Next $25 hyper turbo blinds 60 / 120. I raise to 360 with AK (6K stack) , one caller (5.8K) and short stack shoves for $2K. I reshove praying the guy between us doesnt have me crushed. He calls for 5.8K with 88.

    Wtf? 48BB with 88? I could have 99+ or he's racing. Obv is bricks out.

    I give up. Any problem with my play I appreciate comments.

    I can only think in first example maybe check back flop and try to get to showdown as cheap as possible? Effectively giving up straight away..

    But these things do make u give up sometimes. MTT life is harsh.
  2. #2
    tl:dr

    My answer: binking scores. I also play smaller field size tournies to help reduce variance.
    Some days it feels like I've been standing forever, waiting for the bank teller to return so I can cash in all these Sklansky Bucks.
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    also tl;dr, esp since u said it's just bad beats (that are prob standard anyway)

    If you don't like variance, don't play MTTs.
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    re read the KK hand and see if you can learn something from it, you pretty much said the right stuff but you aren't drawing the right conclusions.
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    Newsflash - variance works both ways. Some days you just can't stop hitting sets. Variance is even more brutal in micro rebuys, since people go crazy during the rebuy period. If you can't handle this aspect of poker, then poker isn't for you.

    The KK hand - you're hoping villain folds ace rag to your aggression? If he called it pre to a 3bet, what makes you think he folds when he binks top pair? He doesn't. You seriously need to read your villain better. You can get away from this either on the flop, or certainly on the turn after he tells you he isn't going anywhere. KK on A-high board is not as nice as KK pre flop, you don't need to lose your stack. Learn to read hands better than your fishy villain, learn to fold, learn to lose without crying, accept variance is part of the game you are playing.
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    Didn't read the whole thing, but

    Hand 1 : pretty much mentioned already, but you should always, check back the flop on that board.

    Variance is a bitch, welcome to mtt's
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    If you're not embracing variance you are sacrificing +EV spots far too often. Another way to look at it is this: If you're always getting it in good, you aren't getting it in often enough.
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    Cheers guys. Firstly what's tl:dr? Most of my posts have been sng posts so not sure what that means.

    OK cheers for the comments. And yeah I know variance sucks n is a part of it but having a bitch about it still kinda helps, lol.

    OK so DRMC explain a bit. Are you agreeing with some1 else post that once he's call I have to shut down? I do admit that he's rarely floating an A high flop when he's called a 3bet OOP. And to the other post yeah I agree if he's callling with an A he's probably rarely folding it once he hits.

    So is every1 saying check back the flop? I think it's just you don't always realise just how much of ur stack u've committed once you bet the flop. I suppose a delayed c-bet and give up if called might b a better option. But if we check back the flop and he fires the turn r we just giving up despite the fact he might think we just didnt like the A since we checked back?
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    tl;dr = too long, didn't read

    Yea you would most likely be calling the turn
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    Im thinking he folds or jams
    meaning, you are allowing him to play his hand perfectly.


    in addition, you say your line gets you committed in a spot where you clearly should not be committed.

    If you had a read he was aggro then maybe you might be committed to calling it off, but you have no read. And the idea that you're 'committed' to turning KK into a bluff makes no sense at all. Neither does the idea that some random will call off their stack with QQ- on an Ax board. So why are you committed?
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    A great way to improve will be to stop adding up how many times you get your XX cracked or ran into XX. As a start, stop telling other people about it. No one cares, and it is clear from this post it is hurting your play. No, having a bitch doesn't help and it isn't lol. You're just re-enforcing bad concepts in your mind.

    (One of the) The problem(s) is you have all that crap in your mind when you start playing this hand. it comes Axx (obv!) and instead of thinking about playing cards you're thinking about your last 7 KK hands and how long it's been since you flopped a set and how much of an idiot everyone is.
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    Search for the old chest-nut by gabe about why betting A-high boards with KK is a bad idea. I think it's in the stickies section.

    It sounds a lot like you need to isolate hands in your mind and to focus on playing each hand correctly. Other than that, the Dr pretty much said it all. Digest what he is saying because he mentions a lot of critical information for becoming a good MTT player (or poker player for that matter)

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