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  1. #1

    Default Is this hand a crying call?

    BB has been playing loose/passive all game, calling down hands with draws and betting them after hitting.

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00+$0.20 Tournament, 75/150 Blinds (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    MP (t3808)
    Button (t727)
    SB (t2195)
    BB (t4415)
    Hero (UTG) (t2355)

    Hero's M: 10.47

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with K, K
    Hero raises to t450, 3 folds, BB calls t300

    Flop: (t975) A, 3, 6 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t350, BB calls t350

    Turn: (t1675) K (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets t800, BB calls t800

    River: (t3275) 5 (2 players)
    BB bets t1050, Hero folds

    Total pot: t3275

    Looking at it now, I'm pretty sure I played the flop poorly with my 1/3 pot bet at a paint flop, but I wasn't sure that my KK was good and was half-expecting a re-raise, where I would have folded. After the turn, though, I'm sure I'm ahead, and my goal was to get all his chips in. Looking back now, I probably should have just pushed here to a loose caller (so please don't say I should have, I know I should have, I'm more interested in the river). After his call, though, I'm sure he's on a flush draw, so I'm pretty pissed when I see one of the worst possible river cards (since it completes a lot of straight and flush draws), and I'm ready to just check behind when he pushes all-in.

    I look at the pot (4030), look at my remaining stack (755), look at the blinds (75/150), and I wanted to call all-in so bad. If he didn't have me covered, I probably would have (however bad this would have been). But I just knew that he had to have hit his flush. It took a lot of discipline, but I folded. Should I have made a crying call instead?

    In the chat, I said "Will you show your flush if I fold?" Of course, he didn't respond, but when I told him I was folding KK, he showed (in white) As, 8d
  2. #2
    If you're just interested on the river, I'd call.. you have no idea what random donks are betting.. I'm sure there are lots of Aces or even some pocket 4s in it..
    don't listen to a thing I say.. I can't beat 6.50s..
  3. #3
    Quote Originally Posted by mukaka
    If you're just interested on the river, I'd call.. you have no idea what random donks are betting.. I'm sure there are lots of Aces or even some pocket 4s in it..
    Thanks. I know I said I'm just interested in the river, but I would also appreciate advice on the rest of my play, too. I just didn't want to see posts that said, "You deserved it after the way you played the flop and turn," without saying anything else of value. I already know that .

    And lol at "pocket 4s," you're probably right.

    Talk about a crazy hand for KK, though. I get one of the worst flops, the best possible turn, and then one of the worst possible river cards.
  4. #4
    don't post results

    You can't separate the turn from the river. If you're planning on folding to a river heart, you should shove the turn to avoid getting bluffed. Also you get value from hands that may get scared away by the river or draws that miss that will give up river.

    I like the smaller turn bet over a shove, but you can't make it then fold river.
  5. #5
    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    don't post results
    Yeah, it will probably affect people's opinion. I changed it so that it's in white.

    Quote Originally Posted by drmcboy
    You can't separate the turn from the river. If you're planning on folding to a river heart, you should shove the turn to avoid getting bluffed. Also you get value from hands that may get scared away by the river or draws that miss that will give up river.

    I like the smaller turn bet over a shove, but you can't make it then fold river.
    Great points. I'll definitely keep this in mind the next time I'm in a similar situation.
  6. #6
    You already have 2/3 of your stack in the pot, pretty easy call I think.
  7. #7
    I check behind on the flop and take the free card. This is not quite as clear cut as it would be if the flop wasn't drawy, but in this case I think protecting our hand < risk of being way behind.

    As played, on the turn I think I bet enough to commit myself to the hand (1200 or so), but then you obviously can't fold the river.

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